Josh Outman, Long Balls Lead Oakland A's to 5-3 Win Over White Sox
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 8:16 PM PDT
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I keep waiting for signs that our green and gold is going to turn it around in 2009. Some little sign that the young pitching has matured enough and that the hitting, while never expected to be near the top of the AL this year, would at least be a vast improvement over last season's abysmal squad. It's tough to point to any one game, but maybe the calendar turning to June is a good one for a mostly young Oakland A's team is exactly what they needed.
Josh Outman backed up the excellent Vin Mazzaro debut yesterday with an a great outing of his own today. It looked like it was going to be a rough night when Alexei Ramirez beat out an infield play to barely get on board and then old Oakland Athletic Jermaine Dye crushed a two-run home run. But alas, Outman really didn't see much more trouble until he gave up a run in the third inning.
The bottom of the A's order almost immediately tied the game up in the second and then Bobby Crosby and Landon Powell went back-to-back to leave the home run friendly park on two consecutive pitches in the fourth inning.
Outman didn't exactly rack up the strikeouts (only 2), getting 12 flyouts instead, which is a bit of a dangerous game in Chicago but the air is heavier there at night and a couple of times, the heavy air seemed to knock down balls enough to prevent the damage. I'm thinking of a Thome shot to the wall in particular that Matt Holliday pulled down. I'm wondering if Outman is going to remain for real. He's got 42 strikeouts in 53.2 innings this year and he's kept the walks down. I'm just not sure. He seems to hide the ball well and gets good velocity on his fastball. He also mixes up the speeds well. And damn it, I love that he rocks the old socks. I just had to say that. Still, he and Braden feel like the two pitchers on the staff I feel really confident about right now. And if you look at the bigger picture, Joe Blanton's ERA for the Phillies is up in the 5 plus range right now.
The A's should win a lot more games if they get the kind of power they got tonight, but it isn't like I expect Crosby and Powell to turn on two pitches every night. Still it's nice to get three home runs from Powell, Crosby and Giambi. There was a bit of discussion in the game thread about using Andrew Bailey to get the last five outs, but I like the move. The A's feel like they have two closers now in Bailey and Brad Ziegler, so why bother to throw someone out there like Russ Springer against Jermaine Dye or Jim Thome when you can come back tomorrow with Ziegler if you need him. The bullpen isn't exactly stacked with a ton of options right now since they had to send Cameron back down to make room for Mazzaro. So I don't mind that move.
So is the A's rotation coming together nicely? Are we seeing this team slowly turning the corner? I mean it's going to be next to impossible to compete in 2009 but at least that team that wasn't so interesting earlier in the year is starting to look a bit more interesting. For example, I loved how they all jumped off the bench to scream at the first base umpire when he clearly blew a call in the ninth inning on Orlando Cabrera. That's exactly what we need from the entire team.
That will make it a bit more interesting. That and the continuing maturation of a very young rotation.
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Nice win, beaches!
dang, nobody does tony like tony.
yeah but this is pretty good. good for a chuckle
Coming here and venting is being a fan; it shows you care - Nico
On a serious note
The A’s hit 3 HR, so the air could not have been that much of a problem.
I’m not going to worry about 12 Flyball outs today.
I'm pretty confident in the starting pitching overall,
with 5 guys now in the rotation who are at the very least “real prospects” (that is, not Edgar Gonzalez and not Dana Eveland), plus Gallagher and Gio still on the depth chart as “major league ready” (in theory) guys with good arms.
The team just simply lacks a core group of real hitters. A lot of potentially ok ones and a lot of bad ones. If they can figure out how to build an offense, this team will take off – but I feel those moves have yet to be made (I’m looking at you, 3B, SS, 1B, CF).
I agree with you 100%, Blez, that the dugout has shown more life/energy the past two days, BEFORE the outcomes were decided – it’s no surprise (to me, anyway) to see that a team that plays with more life and energy will also win more games.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Did you give the team a good talking to?
Or perhaps they read your post?
In the battle of the strong, victory goes to the brave.
Slight disagreement
Holliday’s OPS is over 950 since May 5th; and Giambi’s is now over 800 for same period. Cust is actually the guy struggling, contrary to Blez’ assertion earlier today that he was performing “better than expected.” But it is possible that this is about to be a pretty darn good core 3-4-5.
As for Outman, the fact is that his peripherals are as good or better than Braden’s, and clearly much superior to Anderson and Cahill (too soon on Mazzaro, obviously). He is a very pleasant surprise.
And I’m gonna say it again. Geren deserves huge credit for the move to Bailey tonight. In a “game on the line” situation, against the Sox’ two best hitters, he did not save his best reliever for a potentially useless or nonexistent “save” situation in just the 9th. And what made it even smarter was the likelihood that we won’t have a save situation vs. Buerhle tomorrow. I’ve been ragging Geren as much as Nico, but that was a strong move tomight.
He managed a very good game overall, IMO
Nice to know it’s possible, since we’re stuck with him anyway!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
BTW, I'm intrigued by Braden, who has been better than I expected
Part of me expects him to regress significantly, because his peripherals aren’t great and he gives up an awful lot of long fly balls. Part of me believes he can, through his smarts and his “bulldog mentality,” continue to exceed expectations.
Basically, I expect both to happen – I expect Braden to regress into being a solid #3 but not to regress as far as maybe he “should.” He does have something special, IMO – but if he’s your ace you’re in a bit of trouble.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Braden is sporting a quite nifty FIP though I think some regression is going to happen.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jun 3, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
the thing is
braden has been pretty damn effective for a while now. he’s been solid this year, and his starts during the second half of last season. yeah, i agree, the peripherals kind of worry me, and i’m not sure how many out pitches he really has, but he’s been doing work for a minute now. not a huge sample size, but its not nothing.
by guy incognito on Jun 3, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Braden will regress.
He’s the kind of guy that comes from a tough background. Once he’s settled into the routine of being a professional pitcher, he’s going to have the mindset that he can be better than the guys around him. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if he turns into the type of pitcher that realizes he can’t rely strictly on his talent. He’ll start dissecting hitters and looking for weakness to exploit.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Don't you think he already knows he can't rely strictly on talent?
The guy is certainly not a stuff guy.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
and he was insaaanely unlucky in 2007
He actually put up a good FIP in ’07 and ’08
No reason to expect regression
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Great to have you posting again, Blez
Welcome home!
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
The comments in the game thread I just read said it best: this is approaching watchability
Listening to Wince Monotoneo interview the aptly named Josh Outman right now, my thought I was having the whole game seems true, which was that the kid really wasn’t trusting his breaking stuff tonight & kinda fell in love with the fastball (he admits it on the radio right here), but that the sign of a tough pitcher is one that can go out there without his best mindset and be kind of off stuffwise slightly and yet keep you in the game & still get you a W a lot of the time.
Now it’s just one game, but it’s promising as the latest in a series of 5 consecutive excellent starts from him, and the first of those where he didn’t really have his topnotch game happening in a variety of aspects. And this itself takes as its context this series, where the starters have really pitched well against what was a hot team coming into it on Monday. So it might not be time to print playoff tickets, but at the very least we are seeing the young guns starting to round into shootin’ shape.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
Nice to see you here!
I’ve missed your posts.
Sure feels a whole lot better when we win!
"It’s kind of like wishing one of our current players would turn into the second coming of Rickey." 67Marquez. April 28, 2009
Shhhhh
I was hoping no one would notice my absence :-)
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Who the heck are you,
and what are you doing in your living room?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
How'd YOU get in?
I really need to close my front door.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
When did you start wearing ladies' lingerie?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
And does it help you pitch better?
Like Nuke in Bull Durham.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha ha - trick question
That would imply I ever stopped.
I get more runs than the A’s, that’s for sure.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Josh Outman: the best starter who will hobo shank you in a parking lot in the bigs.
Seriously with the beard he looks pretty scary!
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jun 3, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions
wait, there are other pitchers who would hobo shank you
like us
-signed, every pitcher in the majors between 75 and 81.
[b]More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis[/b]
Does Rajai Davis know Al Davis?
by Athletics fan and runner on Jun 3, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
qotm
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jun 3, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I take it you haven't seen Nate Robertson lately?
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jun 3, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Robertson ain't got shit on Outman.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
i believe
the A’s still have a chance to win the division
we have talented young players on this team, along with some seasoned veterans
sure, the other 3 teams in the division have a better record, BUT
the angels have the worst bullpen in the league
the rangers will fall apart like they always do in the second half, josh hamilton was a fluke last year
and the mariners are slowly dropping back, just like everyone expected
we can pull this off, as an A’s fan i honestly cannot say that this team is done
i dont want to and i will not
LETS GO A’s
I can appreciate your loyal support for the team, though I honestly don’t share your optimism.
In the battle of the strong, victory goes to the brave.
by javaball on Jun 3, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same - love the optimism
I might bite if it had been the A’s acquiring McClouth today or something, but as long as this team has the current lineup I don’t see a long winning streak on the horizon. Now add a masher at 3B or a masher in CF and I’m back to saying, “Well it IS a long season…” But Cabrera leadoff, Kennedy your “go to guy,” Crosby, Hannahan, Rajai getting meaningful ABs, counting on Buck and Sweeney for average and power…?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Division is Weak
Hamilton may be out for two months, and if that pitching staff can handle the summer it will be the first time in a long while.
Seattle has Bedard and Hernandez and Washburn, but then the rotation falls off. And they really can’t hit much,
Not only is the Angel bullpen a mess, but Lackey and Santana have thrown nearly 40 pretty disastrous innings so far.
It isn’t crazy to start to dream, partic. if this young rotation has truly stabilized. But as has been mentioned before, nights like tonight where the likes of Crosby, Powell and Davis contribute at the plate, have to become more common. And they need a leadoff hitter with a OBP over .300.
i know....
some might not share my optimism
but like jason said no one in the division is that great.
cant we all just join in and start believing, being A’s fans i think it is the right thing to believe in the team we support =D
In these times of contention it's not my intention to make things plain
I believe in perpetual motion
And I believe in perfect devotion
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 3, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Was this the first time....?
…. that the A’s beat a lefty all year? It feels like it
We're something ridiculous like 3-15 against lefties this season.
What makes it worse is that the Yankees broadcast team said they’d only faced about 4 for the entire season.
Giambi seems to be picking up on the bat speed and seeing the fastball better.
Does he think a trade is in the works?
I hope he stays put and they (A’s Brass) pick up his option unless Barton or Doolittle emerge out from Sac-town with very impressive stats…
"Where's the beef?"
If he's picking up the bat speed
…and Holliday is mashing, and the rotation is settling down, then this team should probably stay together for a while.
White Sox DFA Betemit
upgrade over any of the other 3b stooges A’s have?
They call up Beckham
Son of a ... you beat me!
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jun 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
GET HIM NOW!
Actually, I’m not sure about his D, but it would be nice to really stick it to Williams for the Swisher deal.
As the worst AL team, the A’s get first dibs, yes?
Hah
You can put it on the boooooard … YES!
"It's never 'just a game' if you're winning" - George Carlin
by bluelightrain84 on Jun 4, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Sox calling up Beckham... Betiment going to be DFAed.
Ive liked him for a long time and would love to pick him up on the waiver wire and send Hannahan to AAA.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jun 3, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions
Hitters
This is what I don’t understand. We don’t have to have a line-up filled with 30+ or batting over .300
All I want is some players batting in the .270+ range. Look at the line-up today, I was just slightly blown away. The bottom 5 batters were batting .220 and below. That is amazing. I know that you have Cunningham with few at bats and Giambi who does have 7 hr, but wow. Richard had to be feeling pretty good about this game. If I were a Sox fan looking at the box score tomorrow—i would wonder what the f*&$?
Hahah
Look at the Angels' batting averages
It’s really annoying. Grrr…They weren’t supposed to be able to score any runs while Vlad was out.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
hypothetical situation
lets say braves offered gorkys/morton/locke for holliday…wouldve you taken that deal?
or freeman, medlen in the deal
I'd pretty much trade anyone for someone named Gorkys
You can’t pass up the chance to acquire someone named Gorkys.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
How come the Pirates couldn't get a better haul?
McClouth is pretty damn good and a great combo of established/cheap.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Daylight robbery
Morton is a stud but the Braves had all but given up on Locke and Hernandez. My Braves fan friends who have read Moneyball are giving me a lot of grief. “Now THIS is a f***in’ A trade”
Honestly, couldn't the A's have topped that and still come out ahead?
A true leadoff hitter, with some power, who plays CF…Me wantee.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
hell yes!
that would have been a great deal.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jun 3, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Crosby (blind squirrel) found another nut!
With those 2 dingers on the year, Billy B. may be hard pressed to re-sign
the SS slugger/ former R.O.Y.
"Where's the beef?"
trade him
i think playing all infield positions has helped his value some
by Asfan4ever723 on Jun 3, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
+1,000
The only way Croz will ever bring more than a bag of balls in a trade is if he can servicably play multiple positions.
Caveat: it may take this year for him to get enough playing time at 3rd and 1st to demonstrate that he’s acquired the increased skills & value for real, to where another team will want him or can be hoodwinked into thinking they do. Sadly, that doesn’t bode well for our 2009 chances to not lose 90+ games.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
by emperor nobody on Jun 3, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
crosby is a poor man's scutaro!!
and 4mill more expensive
by Asfan4ever723 on Jun 3, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a decent option against lefties.
And the fact he can kinda play 2B, 3B and SS must increase his value.
& 1B & RF & LF
But can he C or P, (Swisher where are you)
a ground rule double followed by three unproductive outs, sounds like my sex life - dayzd toe
Betemit
I live in Atlanta and watched Betemit a lot while he was with the Braves. He’s definitely an upgrade over Crosby/Hannahan in that he’s a switch hitter and can play a decent 1B as well as 3B.
And he would fit right in with the A’s philosophy of slugging corner infielders since he’s batting .200 with no homers.
And he did into a DP yesterday
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Did you see Guillen's rant on him?
To the effect of “Every time I play him, he makes an error”
It has to be why they cut him loose. Ozzie burned that bridge.
I'm hitting the first part of the headline with a TWSS
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Something about long lead balls
Sounds heavy and not altogether comfortable.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Beating The White Sox Is Always Nice
Shutting up idiots like Hawk Harrelson and Ed Farmer (radio guy) is sweet. To hear them talk the White Sox gave these last two games away.
I will be attending the game tomorrow. Burhle will be tough, but I think Anderson is due to pitch well.
GO A’s!
I don't know how widely this was publicized, but
apparently Anderson pitched with a bad head cold in Texas, which helps to explain why his velocity was down (along with his effectiveness in general). He also just pitched badly, but he wasn’t 100% and should be tomorrow.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The alternative presented by the A's training staff....
….was killing him and putting him on the 60-day DL.
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 4, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I hate listening to those clowns. Thank GOD MLBtv has the option to select home/away broadcast. I know Glen Kuiper can get a little annoying at times, but I’d rather her eleven Glen Kuipers than one Hawk Harrelson any-friggin-day. “He Gone!” Er, dammit.
"It's never 'just a game' if you're winning" - George Carlin
by bluelightrain84 on Jun 4, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Kuiper is only annoying ...
when he speaks.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 4, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
I got on vacation, don’t even read a box score, and now I come back to the A’s on a WINNING streak? Good Heavens how things have changed
Not just athletes, Athletics.
Ozzie knows we have great young pitchers
From ESPN game wrap
“We lost against another rookie,” Chicago manager Ozzie Guillen said. “Quote me on this: The Oakland A’s are going to have a tremendous pitching staff the next two or three years. The two or three guys we faced, they are good and the know what they are doing out there.”
Ozzie is a total hoot!
But I’m glad that I don’t have to root for him or his team.
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 3, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
See, I've always liked Ozzie.
Not that I always agree with him, but you know what he’s thinking because he always thinks out loud. He’s not afraid to punk players in public either, be it his own or others.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Dallas, the new resident prankster?
Pie in the face yesterday, Sweeney chalk line on the wall today? I’d believe it:
Next to the 400-foot marker in dead center, someone – Sweeney thinks it was Dallas Braden – put up the life-size outline, complete with Sweeney’s No. 15 and the image of a right arm extending in the air.
Maybe it wasn’t a White Sock after all.
Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.
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by Flashfire on Jun 3, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my god.
This is pure win.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
+1,000,000,000.000
LMAO!
a ground rule double followed by three unproductive outs, sounds like my sex life - dayzd toe
Yep, I read a different article which also said it was likely Dallas that did it. Classic@
I love them A's, even when they're earnin' F's.
I don't see why some people doubt Outman at all
His motion looks kinda goofy, but he throws VERY hard (94 from a lefty starter?), had a GREAT changeup, and doesn’t have to have any breaking pitches to be effective. If every pitch Outman had thrown this year had been thrown by Brett Anderson people would be calling him the next great lefty starter. I’m impressed by Outman, and I don’t expect him to be going anywhere anytime soon. Cahill, Anderson, Mazzaro, and Outman look like a NASTY foursome for the future.
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Jun 3, 2009 10:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
(4)NASTY + (1)CRAFTY
Anderson
Cahill
Outman
Mazzaro
+
Braden
by Colorado Fan on Jun 3, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Anybody see this? BoCro's glove went bye bye....
Crosby’s glove was stolen sometime after Tuesday night’s game.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/athletics/ci_12516054?source=rss
I love them A's, even when they're earnin' F's.
How could they tell?
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 4, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
well
you know, he went back to his old glove, and got some of that R.O.Y power back
so i wouldnt mind him going back to it, anything that helps his bat its good for this team
Hate to say it
but wonder if it was an “inside” job?
These ain't your father's A's.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jun 4, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
H2A3N3? (check his jock)
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jun 4, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Adam Kennedy
what do people think of this guy, is he for real or what. can the a’s build off him bc it does seem that the pitching staff is coming around. i still think the a’s can make a run this year bc the division isnt as tough as years past
but the a’s need around 5 runs a night and people like o cab getting on base
I think he could be a nice trading chip to a team with an injured 2Bman
We’re going to get Ellis back eventually and we’re on the hook for another year with his contract. We’re going to have to make room and we might as well get a nice little bauble out of it.
why ellis
ellis really havent done anything in the last 3 or 4 years. if anything its time to cut ties w ellis. the a’s need to get these cancers out of here. aka bobby, buck, and ellis
they bring nothing to the table besides there 225 averages
Maybe he meant canker
Ellis is definitely sore.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
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