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Billy Beane's Big Gamble

There's been a lot of grumbling about the A's so far this year which in many ways is justified.  They often look listless on the field and in the camera shots of the dugout.  Or maybe we just got spoiled by seeing Milton Bradley and Nick Swisher doing their patented, choreographed celebrations after long balls.  I don't blame A's fans for feeling discouraged by this team and not feeling like it will ever pay off in a better product on the field.

Billy Beane made a calculated risk in 2009 and it appears to have failed given the team we're watching on a daily basis.  But my question is this?  Did Beane really make a calculated risk?  Or was much of what he did in 2009 predicated on trying to at least get a competitive team on the field to gain some interest in the area rather than really "going for it"?

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I would say that it was the latter.  I mentioned this a while ago when Nico wrote his Dear Billy Beane post.  I don't think that anything Beane did in preparation in 2009 was stunting what he originally set out to do starting last year and that was to build towards a real winner in 2010 or 2011 that would be a winner for a long time to come. 

Beane went out and signed Orlando Cabrera to a low-cost, one-year deal in which that player had all the incentive in the world to perform well to get his value back to what it used to be.  Beane gave up a closer that he thought he could replace fairly easily in Joey Devine.  Well, that went awry, but he had a backup in Brad Ziegler and then Andrew Bailey.  He gave up Carlos Gonzalez who is hitting very well in Triple-A, but he's still in Triple-A and who knows if he'll make that jump adequately this next time or it will take him several years until he possibly turns into a Carlos Pena after three more stops.  He got a hitter whose contract is expiring at the end of the year and there have already been plenty of rumblings from around the majors about who might be interested in acquiring Matt Holliday.

The Jason Giambi signing could theoretically be over after this year if the A's feel like Sean Doolittle is ready to become an every day player by the end of the year.

The biggest question mark going into the year was adding Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson to the rotation.  And I think that adding them has been good for these young pitchers.  In my spring training interview with him, Beane mentioned how rare it was for even the most talented pitchers to come in and be an effective major league starter.  Mark Mulder had an especially rough first adjustment to the majors.  But I personally think that this experience has been really good for both Cahill and Anderson, who have to make the mental jump to believing that they belong 60 feet, 6 inches away from major league hitters.  Anderson may be having the harder time making that adjustment because his splits from April to May are trending a little worse whereas Cahill had a much better May than he did in April, correcting much of the BB/K ratio issue (17 strikeouts to 9 walks) and his ERA for the month of May was 3.89.  I think it takes time for those kids to make that adjustment.  Vince Mazzaro will also get that chance to see if he's mentally ready for that jump as well.

But in order for the A's to compete in 09, things would've had to have broken perfectly.  Even Beane seemed hesitant to call his team a contender during that same interview.  His emphasis though was on the young pitching, whereas I believe the biggest problem with this team continues to be the offense.  He gambled that Nomar Garciaparra would be able to add some consistent depth and Nomar's continuing health problems have hampered things.  Giambi has improved of late, but he's definitely not the Giambi who wore green and gold eight years ago.  If anything, the only player who has probably performed better than expected offensively is Jack Cust and that's because he's really worked on cutting down the strikeouts while becoming a better "hitter".  He really has turned into almost the ideal Moneyball prototype.

Regardless, I think this sums up best where this team is right now, and again, it's taken from Beane's interview with me back in March:

Blez:  Is that where you see this team right now?

Beane:  It's hard to say.  I think what we want to do is be better than last year and from a macro standpoint people will see that this will ultimately be an organic team and one that came from our minor league system that has some legs to it as far as its performance.  But we also wanted to take advantage of some opportunities out there to sort of speed up the development of it.  We want to be patient with the young guys but we also have a major league sports team and we want to win games because we do want people to be interest in it and not just go into hibernation until the young guys are good.  You can have a five year plan but don't go around announcing it.  Do your best, in the interim, to have that five-year plan in the background and go ahead and execute that, but do what you can to keep us interested.

The key to that statement is the end.  "You can have a five year plan but don't go around announcing it.  Do your best, in the interim, to have that five-year plan in the background and go ahead and execute that, but do what you can to keep us interested."  If Beane has failed to do anything this year it's to make this team interesting enough this year with some of the moves he made because they were bargain shopping for those great deals and so many of them haven't worked out.

That being said, all hope is not lost.  The young pitchers are getting some great experience that should ultimately help them down the road.  And they don't look completely out of place.  Well, Anderson does at times, but Cahill and Outman have not.  The jury is out on Mazzaro.  Dallas Braden has proven that he will be a really nice number four guy given that he has a true competitive streak to him.  It's a cliche, but his guts and determination probably outpace his talent.  But that's also the truth with Justin Duchscherer too.  And he's proven that he can be a really effective major league starter.  The A's aren't handcuffed by anything they did to make this team more interesting in 2009.  And they're in a position with Holliday to move him for glaring holes at third base and shortstop.  And I think that's going to be a big factor in judging whether or not this process has ultimately been worth it or not.  It's just too bad that this team in 2009 isn't nearly as interesting as most people, including myself and many other people, thought it would be.

Still I find the most interesting thing about this team is watching the young pitching.  The Cahill, Anderson, Mazzaro, Outman, Baileys of this team.  Funny because it was one of the aspects of the 2009 team that I feared the most if they were going to compete for the West.  Since they aren't competing right now, I can just enjoy watching these guys grow and mature and see a brighter future for the green and gold.  Isn't that something we all want?

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I think his two biggest miscalculations

were to be overly optimistic that Duchscherer would be physically able to be the lone veteran and ace…and the other (bigger) miscalculation? Once again, banking on Chavvy being able to contribute anything at all to the defense and the offense. Had this second idea worked at all Nomar would not have been forced to play so often during the first month of the season, nor would Giambi have had to play every day in the field.

by OaklandSi on Jun 3, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

No argument there

I think this season was in part just seeing if you can piece together enough cheap help to at least make the team interesting and it was, in part, depending on two guys, Duke and Chavy, who were coming off surgeries and have been very injury prone the last couple of years to say the least. That didn’t work out, put more stress on the young pitching than expected and the offense was once again stuck running Crosby and/or Hannahan out there instead of Nomar.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

My Take

Blez,

I think you make some very good points. One thing that Beane had no control over is injuries. I like the fact that our young pitchers are getting thrown into the fire.

I am really hoping that when the A’s do trade Holliday that we get something really good in return. Ideally an everyday third baseman and a quality leadoff hitter would be nice.

by KCa's on Jun 3, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

In a perfect world

He can get a good young shortstop and third baseman. But I wouldn’t expect both. I’d settle for one right now.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with your premise that Beane doesn't have control over injuries...

Beane can sign players that don’t have histories of recurring injuries. Guys like Giambi, Garciaparra (genetic calf issues), Duke (back and hip surgeries), Chavez have totally forseeable injury pattens. That Garciaparra is hurt when his calf injuries are genetic. Totally forseeable.

Now if Buck becomes injury prone, then i’ll agree with you. There’s no history there prior to last year.

by stm72 on Jun 3, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once you injure something, it's a lot easier to reinjure.

For example: Ankle Sprains. Once you loosen the deltoid ligament or the lateral collateral ligaments, it becomes much more likely to reinjure them.

Thus, signing Garciaparra means that there’s a greater likelihood of him being injured (but we knew that from the get go, it’s just that the plan wasn’t to play him every game). Where I had a problem is relying on Chavvy THIS year. Last year was fine, we needed to give him one more chance. But this year? We should have had a better backup plan than Hannah Montana han. And most pitchers who get injured are at a greater risk to reinjure themselves too (hello Harden, Duke, Carpenter, Prior, Wood, etc).

If I’m Beane, I’m going to do my best to not sign injury prone players (though I’ll say Giambi was a good gamble at his cost, even if he was old, he was the best we could get). This team has been ridiculous in the DL department.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 3, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya its basically what you said

But I wanted to point out that injury is more likely due to poor mechanics, previous injure, or muscle imbalance, rather than genetics. Mechanics and previous injury we can observe and avoid, genetics not so much. Unless good old Buddy Bud Selig allows testing for that too. In which case, as an A’s fan, you sell me on quite easily.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on Jun 3, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who's the new kid posting on the front page?

Oh, shit, it’s you. Hey Blez.

Yet another guy writing off Daric Barton, huh?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 3, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

No I'm not writing off Barton

I just need to see him progress towards being a major league player again. I’m hoping he doesn’t pull a Carlos Pena and wind up blossoming somewhere else.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He hit .279/.398/.433 in May.

For a guy who’s seemingly been a slow starter, that’s pretty solid.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 3, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Although he should really be a .300 plus hitter. He was touted as that kind of hitter. And Lord knows the A’s desperately need that kind of a hitter.

I’m definitely not writing him off.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he has a .400 OBP, I'll allow him to hit .279

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 3, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the minors

I’d still like him to be up over .300. Now if he’s hitting .279 with a .400 OBP for the big club, I’d love that.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's still weird to me that a guy with such a sweet swing

and excellent control of the strike zone is such a streaky hitter. But he’s always been like that.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 3, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get it either

Then again the first year that Buck was with the A’s, I thought he had the sweetest swing I’d seen in a long time. He always kept the bat head perfectly through the zone and was seemingly always so level to me. And then he had one of the worst starts to a year I remember seeing in a long time last year. I thought the guy would never hit a bump in the road with that swing.

These things are so hard to accurately predict.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

barton needs to be a .300 hitter

at 1b, as it sure looks like he’s not going to have any power (though he’s still young)

by guy incognito on Jun 3, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see Buck as more of a free swinger

not a Sandoval or anything, but a guy who will slash at pretty much the first thing he sees in the strike zone. Barton always looked like a very patient hitter, with a very calm swing.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 3, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

meh

I don’t know.

That’s a nice enough month but it’s hardly the “tearing ‘em’ up” kind of numbers we would expect from someone who is supposed to be a high level 1b prospect.

I’m not writing him off at all but I definitely think the burden on him is to really get out there and produce and prove himself, and .279/.398/.433 just doesn’t get me very excited. He really needs to step it up.

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 3, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's even worse than meh

Using minorleaguesplits.com major league equivalency calculator, Barton’s performance so far in AAA would calculate to a .182/.268/.271. Even if we let Barton completely forget April and only use the “solid” numbers mikev says Barton put up in May, the major league equivalency would be a craptastic .226/.316/.341.

In other words, even in a “solid” or “stellar” month for Barton, as I’ve seen people on AN describe Barton’s May performance, his major league equivalency of .226/.316/.341 is eerily similar to his 2008 MLB performance of .226/.327/.348.

Barton is still young, but even if we discount his bad April and focus solely on his better May, he has failed to improve as a player. At some point, Barton has to make vast improvements if he wants to become a major league regular, much less a star.

The question that I ask myself is how does Barton get better? He’s not likely to ever get any stronger, he already has great plate discipline, and he had a large number of at bats in AAA and the MLB to adjust to better pitching. It’s hard to see where any projection can be supported by any objective fact or scouting observation.

It’s time for Mr. Barton to perform like a top prospect if he wants to be considered one, and .279/.398/.433 in AAA simply isn’t enough.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What would you think

that Jack Cust would say to Daric Barton, about persevering, toiling in the minors, and maturing late?

"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully

by One won lost won on Jun 5, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would hope for Barton's sake

That it doesn’t take him as long as it took Cust. Barton has one great baseball skill (plate discipline) and one good tool (hit for average). If he can maximize those strengths while addressing some of his weaknesses, he is still young enough to have a long and successful career, perhaps even become a star.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 8, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Daric Barton

had a chance at the bigs and still has opportunity to out-perform other prospects in the minors. Unfortunately, he is up against other talented players such as Sean Doolittle and Chris Carter. It really is too bad that the rest of the team couldn’t pick him up at the plate last year so he could’ve kept building up his big league experience, but, the A’s had a definite problem with infielders being able to hit last year. His chances are as good as anyone’s down there. Sean Doolittle is awesome, so good luck Daric on that.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jun 3, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, you know who Daric Barton is outperforming in Triple A right now?

Sean Doolittle.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 3, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

I think Barton has had a lot more experience in Triple-A. Plus, having almost a full year in the majors helps with a young guy’s confidence in being able to hit minor league pitching, I would imagine.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure.

But how do you think Doolitle would be doing if he were in Oakland right now?

That’s how Barton was last year.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 3, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

I’m not saying Doolittle is ready right now by any means. And believe me, I would LOOOOVE for Barton to be ready to be the player everyone thought he was. I hope it happens, I really do.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

hopefully he keeps that up and we can bring him back since he already has EXPerience.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jun 3, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just looking at stats

As long as your not comparing AVG.,SLG.,and OPS
Barton-.223, .341, .685
Doolittle-.267, .448, .811

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jun 3, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. Doolittle got off to a quick start

Burt hasn’t played since May 8, and Barton had an .830 OPS last month after hitting like shit in April.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 3, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

it just took him a while to swallow the move down. Good to see him turning that around. It seems like he should be doing better down there.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jun 3, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also had surgery in the offseason, if I recall.

Hip surgery, and then strained his quad during Spring Training.

Not that it’s an excuse, but it could potentially explain the slow start in TripleA

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 3, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

With his ML exp

he definitely has an advantage and should be tearing up the minors. So with that said, in due time his numbers should prevail, unless Doolittle is as good as I think he is. Either way, I don’t want to see Sean caught in the same situation as Daric was, being brought up with a stale offense.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jun 3, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus

Barton had the whole year to build his big league experience.

by sf drift king on Jun 3, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make good points, and...

…I never really expected this year’s team to be a bonafide contender, I just expected some fire and improvement… and I haven’t seen that.

I am disappointed that he seems to have put too much stock into Duke and Chavez being healthy. Neither was anywhere close to be i given.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on Jun 3, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Well in fairness to Billy

Duke wound up having elbow issues that were unrelated to his surgery, at least from published reports I’ve seen. Relying on Chavez seemed much more of a shaky decision. But with Nomar in tow, perhaps he thought that particular spot was covered.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

it was known that he has chronic hip and back problems

that alone should have caused some doubts about relying on him as the sole veteran “ace”.

He is being slowed down on his rehab from the elbow surgery, by the back issue. I’m starting to wonder if we will actually see him this season…

by OaklandSi on Jun 3, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great post, Blez.

I like your perspective. There’s way too much all-or-nothing attitude on this site. People seem to think that in any given season you must either be “going for it” or else you have to blow up the team and aim for last place in order to get the best draft pick.

I see no reason why you can’t rebuild overall while still making some moves on the side to try to win a few games in the meantime. But the all-or-nothing crowd can’t conceive of such a thing.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 3, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

The trouble

with the all-or-nothing crowd that comes to mind is they seem to always want to get minor-league talent and send guys down to the minors when they aren’t playing well. Minor leaguers are minor leaguers. If you want a team to get better you have to be building major league experience; something you can’t get in the minor’s. The Show is nasty. You can’t expect to pick up hitting right off the bat. I hope Cunningham is able to stick around long enough to start hitting. Not that I have any love for Richie… just shit takes time and patience and is a shame to keep starting over at square one when a guy doesn’t pick it up in a week.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jun 3, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah if I remember correctly

Andre Ethier wasn’t exactly consistent for his first year or two in LA. And many fans down here were ready to write him off. But I think that’s gone now. I’d love to see the A’s have some patience with someone like Cunningham and if Buck can ever get healthy, give him a ton of ABs too. Find out if the guy is for real or not.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1 for Iglew Procupine and Blez

I’m actually enjoying watching Anderson Cahill and now Mazarro. It often isn’t pretty but it is interesting and often exciting to see what our top pitching prospects can (or can’t) do.

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 3, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice dose of foresight.

One hindsight opinion: I wish Beane would have gotten a veteran starter to help mentor the young arms. A) Because of Duke’s unreliable health, and B) He just doesn’t seem quite like the mentor type even if healthy and starting. (I don’t really have too much to base that on other than what I’ve read and observed). Maybe a “leads by example” is better than nothing though? I mean Curt Young is great and all, but a veteran pitcher would really help the rotation mature IMO.

One future opinion: I say keep Giambi around next year regardless…even as a bench player/part time DH. This is taking into account the theory that he knows hitters well, in addition to his veteran leadership and loose personality. Question is, who’s on first next year and beyond? (Doolittle, Barton, Carter?) If we’re really building toward 2011 realistically, then Giambi could provide a push in that direction next year. He already seems to realize that’s his role, from the quotes I’ve seen from him.

"I feel like I hit better when I'm playing the field...just feel more like a baseball player." —Jack Cust (or Derek Jeter for that matter)

by PortlandPachyderm on Jun 3, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the Braves

just cut Glavine. He might make an interesting mentor to our corps of young pitchers.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jun 3, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cust is hardly performing "better than expected"

OBP is only 345; OPS is under 800.

Holliday, OTOH, has a 988 OPS since May 5th. If he keeps that up, the trade value question will be fine.

I think Blex has both hit and missed the point. As to the young pitchers and getting them into the mix, understanding there will be growing pains, I agree totally. And they ain’t doing too bad (13 out of last 15 starts for A’s have been quality, whether technically or not since some were less than 6 IP. Only Anderson and Edgar have pitched badly).

But the real worry that a lot of us is in the position player category. We can excuse a gamble at Garciaparra or even Giambi nearing the end of their career, but not all the rope (and coin) given to Chavez and Crosby when there still does not appear to be quality replacements anywhere in the pipeline. We can hope the Holliday trade still works out and thank Milton Bradley for his contribution in 90+ games in 2006 but still bemoan the fact that Buck (nor Cunningham) has not approached Ethier’s production and that Sweeney— no matter when CarGon hits the bigs— is not an adequate solution in CF.

Doolittle, Carter and Cardenas may help matters, but I think we all collectively believe they will disappoint as almost every hitter seems to in recent A’s history. Our differences with Beane are not philosophical so much as practical— where’s the talent that we need lately?

by jasonthea on Jun 3, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with you

Although I’m still not ready to write off the outfielders. Cunningham was injured for a while and I still like the kid a lot. Travis Buck might be a real injury issue.

And as for the trade for Milton Bradley, the A’s likely wouldn’t have gone to the ALCS without him and unfortunately you have to give up talent to get talent.

I don’t know why the A’s can’t seem to produce a consistent, top-flight hitter like many other teams seem to be doing. And even if they do, he winds up doing it for another team. That one seems beyond my comprehension, especially when many of the people involved in the A’s franchise for years are still the ones making a lot of the decisions on drafting and development.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jun 3, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm wondering who they might have had in the organization

dealing with scouting and developing hitters, who may not be in the organization anymore? I’ve heard that Grady Fuson was really very important in the organization.

On the major league club, it certainly can’t be a good thing to have so little stability on the coaching staff. How many hitting coaches have the A’s had in the last five years?

by OaklandSi on Jun 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another great thread Blez

This was the 1st season since becoming a fan 10 years ago that I went into the season thinking we had little to no shot at the playoffs.. but with the new acquisitions (Holliday, Nomar, Giambi, et al), it did give me some hope. My primary concern was with the youthful and inexperienced starting rotation, and that’s with a healthy Duke. For the most part, they’ve done a decent job. Thanks for reminding us that 09 was suppose to be a rebuilding year. With that in mind, I don’t feel as bad the way this season has gone.

But in order for the A’s to compete in 09, things would’ve had to have broken perfectly.” This statement seem to be a recurring theme for us the last several years. Things did break perfectly for us in 06, which got us into the playoffs. I’ll give Billy credit for at least trying to field a competitive team in 09. but in order for us to be contenders next year and in the years after, we have to plug some major holes at 3B, another big bat when Holliday leaves, and at SS. I don’t want to be relying on some guy by the name of Do Little and a bunch of AAAA specs when we’re fielding a top notch pitching staff. I don’t want to be like the Giants are this year in 2010 & 11.. all pitching, no hitting.

by sf drift king on Jun 3, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Well

We just made it to 20 wins. Let’s just see how long it takes to get to 30. Maybe they can cut the time in half. I remember reading in the Stockton paper about a month ago, Dallas Braden was saying he had a tough loss but he compared our lineup to a pool of sharks that could strike at any time. I like his attitude.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jun 3, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

That dude has knack for saying the

right things at the right time. If he sticks around any length of time, I could easily see him becoming our “franchise” player. One of the nice things about the Mazzaro call up was seeing spontaneous horse play from other players. For once the players looked like they were enjoying each others company and having a good time. Too often during the last month camera shots of the dugout reminded me of convicts awaiting sentencing.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jun 3, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Dallas Braden becomes the A's franchise player

they’re in trouble. You normally don’t get very far building around a 3/4 starter.

by jsullivan on Jun 4, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not in that sense of the word.

Think more, “fan favorite”. He’s the kind of guy who will quietly morph into another version of Swisher. He could very well be the catalyst on the team, the guy who plays jokes and keeps the mood light in the clubhouse.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jun 4, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

a pool of sharks?

Dallas, buddy, you’re the best.

Can we get a graphic of a pool of sharks where every dorsil fin has an A’s logo on it?

by cityplANner on Jun 3, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great post Blez.

Billy Beane got Holliday to help the A’s score more runs to help develop the young pitching. Deep down Beane knew they wouldn’t contend with such a young staff. I like all 3 of the A’s young pitchers. Anderson because he has 3 good pitches and throws low 90’s. Cahill because he has a Webb type sinker. I also like Mazzaro because he has a power sinker that is low 90’s and touches 95. The A’s can teach Mazzaro a change up. Braden can be a bottom of the rotation pitcher. I still wonder if Outman is more of a bullpen guy. Lets see how good he is as a starter. Will Beane eventually call up Demel and Rodriguez for the bullpen this year. The A’s need to upgrade that. They need 2 young hitters to really come up to make the offense better. Corey Brown and Chris Carter are the 2 that are really important.

by Tbone 1 on Jun 3, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

A Few Breaks & we would be at .500

What would the prevailing wisdom be around here if we were at .500? We have easily lost five games that were just given away. You can point the finger at Geren, or a breakdown in the relievers, or not getting a key hit. So far, we have been breaking bad.
As Nico can surely attest to, these losses were extremely frustrating.

The beauty of baseball is the length of the season. We can quickly turn it around & be respectable. The win last night by Mazzaro was very refreshing. This was one of our highlights so far.
  

 

Paddle Faster! I hear banjo music.

by alpine26 on Jun 3, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I Agree 100% About the Young Pitching

The most interesting thing—indeed often the only interesting thing— about this team has been watching the young pitchers. And while they haven’t been world beaters, they’ve shown plenty of positive signs.

But I think this post is essentially asking the wrong question. The pressing question isn’t so much “why isn’t this team contending?”; the answer to that question is pretty obvious and it’s the one you give: everything had to break the right way.

The more pressing question is: why does this team have the worst record in the AL and the third worst record in all of baseball?

And the answer to that question has to include some consideration of Geren and his coaching staff, whose names are notably absent from this post.

Interleague Play: Celebrating Thirteen Seasons of Suck

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 3, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree but...

Give Geren credit tonite for using his best reliever in a game situation in the 8th vs. Dye and Thome. Bold and correct move.

by jasonthea on Jun 3, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

so...what about geren?

he’s made some questionable calls during games, questionable lineup calls (like batting cabrera, a guy who’s allergic to walks, leadoff), and has really been overplaying some of our guys and not others at all (buck at the beginning of the year, suzuki now, couple bullpen guys, etc.), and has presided over a couple very bad years. howe was allowed to walk away with much better success. macha was fired with much better success. i know we’ve had some injuries, and i don’t expect us to be great, but geren has not been doing a good job. if he keeps doing the kinds of things he’s done thus far, he absolutely needs to be fired soon…he already should have been.

by guy incognito on Jun 3, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't buy that Beane is being that calculating Blez......

I have to consider that he is missing on some very important pieces as he employs and promotes this ‘wheeler dealer’ image of his. Blez, you are a Sacramento guy… do you remember when Nelson Cruz hit town a couple of years ago? holy crap! he showed he was a 5 tool guy then… and yet we let him get away only now to watch the big right handed power bat that will be in the Texas outfield for years to come…. and not to forget the Andre Ethier deal. Pitching is great, and don’t get me wrong, I like what I see from the youngsters in the next few years… but for too many years we have been watching this anemic offense.

by djhbaseball on Jun 3, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

The A's traded Cruz to Milwaukee for Ginter

Milwaukee decided he wasn’t going to be a good player, so they traded him to the Rangers. He spent two years sucking for the Rangers (like Jason Kendall levels of hitting futility) before finally, and for no particular reason that I can tell, hitting very well in limited time last year.

So, on his 4th team (the A’s got him from the Mets), and after years of just being a tools guy who didn’t produce, he’s now hit really well for about a half-season’s worth of games (between last year and this year).

The only lesson I could derive from this is that the A’s should keep running Sweeney out there because he might suddenly double his SLG next year or the year after that.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jun 3, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Cream and the Clear?

Interleague Play: Celebrating Thirteen Seasons of Suck

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 3, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping

the players on the A’s are just procrastinating knowing how long the season is and timing out a great finish. Unlike the past, where we seem to do good in the first half. If all the players were young on this team, I wouldn’t consider it. But, we’ve got some old dogs now where this isn’t their first rodeo. Sometimes things don’t come together until they are pressing. As pressing as they seem, it wouldn’t be the greatest comeback of all time. Hence, there is still meaning to games and not too much time to turn this around at the same time. Are they good enough to turn this around is the ?.

Optimistic...

by Porcupine on Jun 3, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Braves Acquire Nate McLouth

There goes Holliday to ATL, but I wouldn’t have traded him for the package the Pirates got for him…stupid pirates

by ryanmoser on Jun 3, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think that's the end of Holliday to ATL

The Braves OF is still very, very weak.

Nate McLouth is good, but not the caliber of player that will propel the Braves offense and defense to get over the Mets and Phillies.

Schafer is in AAA. Heyward is still in the lower minors and isn’t going to impact ’09.

Garret Anderson, Matt Diaz, Gregor Blanco, and Jeff Francoeur still should NOT be 2/3 of the Braves’ starting outfield. Period. When the Mets or Phillies make a move, I think Wren trades for another outfielder.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 3, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

What scares me.

The thing that bothers me about “rebuilding” is that you either better be extremely shrewd in your player choices or get lucky and have someone explode out of no where as a star. If not you can end up with a decade full of futility like the Pirates, Royals, Padres, Orioles, and Devil Rays. I’m not writing anyone off yet (except Crosby), but I’ve been extremely disappointed by the performance of just about any position player that has been called up in recent years. While maybe not the most highly touted prospects I think it all started with two guys who had an almost cult following on AN, Dan Johnson and Matt Watson. When they finally got to the show I think they were maybe the first guys we ever referred to as AAAA’ers. On the opposite spectrum we had a guy in Carlos Gonzalez that was the be all end all prospect, the dang centerpiece of the “rebuilding” project. When he got his opportunity he was inconsistent at best, and apparently struck a chord with someone, and he ended up getting traded. Which in itself would’ve seemed somewhat unfathomable at this point in time last year.

Then there are guys like Barton, Pennington, Buck, and Cunningham who show flashes of life every now and then, but haven’t proven to be major league worthy. At times even being just downright awful. I would love to see these guys at least show signs of improvement, but there hasn’t been any. Cunningham, hasn’t been around long enough to say this, but Barton and Buck could be in their third seasons in the major leagues, but their failure to develop and not jump face first into 3ft pools has been discouraging, and cost them severely. Alternatively you can look at a guy like Suzuki, who I always liked, who turns out to be a really good major league player. Last spring I was really excited for him, but as I recall in one of the first fanposts I commented in on the new AN I was pretty much told he had no future with us, and Powell was really the player of the future. While I’m not of the opinion the A’s got lucky with Suzuki (did anyone watch him the CWS?) I think you could probably make that case given how much everyone around here was so sure he wasn’t an MLB caliber catcher.

That being said, I guess the A’s are actually coming upon a second wave of prospects. We’ll see how that turns out, but I won’t be holding my breath until one of them proves he can actually hit outside of AA or AAA. I’m so random with my thoughts right now, but I guess my point is that I’m not entirely sure why we entered this rebuilding phase in the first place. Was the farm system really that depleted? If so, why? It’s not like they had called up any players that had any kind of impact. It’s totally my opinion, but it seems sort of like the A’s panicked during 2007 after having one bad year and destroyed a team had some pretty decent parts. You trade a proven ace in Danny Haren for a bunch of prospects who might turn out to be good players. But why take your chances on a guy like Anderson when you already have a sure thing? It’s not like Haren even broke the bank with his extension. I understand certain guys like Kendall, Kotsay, and Thomas were on the decline, but Beane was able to swap in Suzuki, and Cust. If you’re willing to deal with Bradley’s crap you had another guy who in 2007 and 2008 was better than pretty much anyone else we had. Keep Scutaro, and again you have better production than what we have now from SS or 2B. It’s somewhat of a moot point, but the line-up could have better production in every position except left field. With better hitters and a veteran starting rotation, with maybe just Cahill or Mazzaro, I’m thinking the team could’ve easily contended in the weak AL West. What is the difference between going to the playoffs in 2008 or 2009 instead of 2010? As the title of this posts states, it really is a “Big Gamble.” I would say it’s like the difference between betting the moneyline on a single game and doing a four game parlay.

What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.

by KMoAsFan on Jun 3, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Short memory
When they [Daric Barton and Matt Watson] finally got to the show I think they were maybe the first guys we ever referred to as AAAA’ers

Some allegedly AAAA players who preceded Barton and Watson:

  • Graham Koonce
  • Jason Grabowski
  • Mike Wood
  • Seth Etherton
  • Billy McMillon
  • Esteban German

and probably others I’m not remembering

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 3, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

While I don't think going for it this year was the right decision,

I don’t think it was crippling to our future by any means. Beane made the decision to try to take advantage of the weak division, and while it appears to be the wrong move, it was a very cheap move that barely affects this team in the long run.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on Jun 3, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

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