if things roll right, Alderson could turn out to be as valuable as…Braden. Or he could flame out.

I would do a Crawford, Neal, Tanner for Holiday and Kennedy. Two players of that caliber are as good as two draft picks (which are likely, but not certain). If Im not getting Alderson back though, theres no way Braden is in that deal.

I think you were treated unfairly and I hope you’ll stick around despite being less than welcomed. But I wouldn’t blame you if you didn’t.

he is behind cahill and anderson in terms of levels

No, it felt more like people were laughing at you after you walked in and your pants fell down around your ankles. Which is actually a fairly normal response by people who witness such an event.

You want to learn? Ask questions. And the question of a Giants/A’s trade involving Holliday is a good one… but you didn’t ask any questions. You made statements and you even went so far as to offer up a justification for your statements, but you never really asked a question. I double checked your original post, not a “?” to be found.

There’s nothing elitist about making a fanpost. All that is asked is that the writer put some thought into the post and to try and write about a relevant topic. Your topic was fine, but your content was so horribly out of whack with historical precident and the way trades actually get done in baseball that your fanpost was dead on arrival. That’s not my fault, it’s yours. Here’s the part about fanposts that they don’t tell you in the Community Guidelines… if you’re going to put your opinion out there you better have the guts to take whatever fallout comes your way.

Now, some folks are worried that I’ve scared you away from posting on AN again. Whatever. You stepped on stage and you bombed, I just wrote an honest review. If you choose to stick around and your next fanpost kicks ass than (assuming I see it) I’ll say good things about it.

As to this issue, I disagree with your assesment of Alderson and while he’s a good prospect he’s not at the same level of Cahill/Anderson. I’m assuming you meant to say that Alderson is as good as Cahill and Anderson were at the end of last year. Both Cahill and Anderson posted better K/9 and groundball ratios than Alderson currently has, and from what I recall of Alderson’s scouting report his stuff isn’t as good.

More importantly, I provided you with 6 examples of vet-for-prospects trades that should show just how out of whack your proposal is.

But dumb equals dumb.

And bad equals bad.

And shit is shit.

Echerrest’s proposal fits somewhere in that mix. It is completely out of touch with any of the trades we’ve seen in the last decade. You got a problem with my tone? I’ve got a problem with his/her content. (No offense intended on the gender thing, the name doesn’t hint either way.)

I’m not sure exactly which 5 posters you’re referring to, ‘cause there have been a whole lot more than 5 quality folks who’ve passed their bags, but of the folks I can think of I’m extremely confident that it wasn’t an honest (if much less then tactful) comment like mine that drove them away.

And are you really worried that this newbie might be the next devo or salb or PT or monkeyball and I’ve scared them off? Please, I gave a very mild bump and all those older posters had the guts to push right back. If echerrest or any other new poster gets so scared from what I did this morning that they curl up into the fetal position and never come to AN again then guess what, it’s highly unlikely that that individual had what it took to truly replace those who’ve left. Damn straight I want to see new content… but I want it to be quality content.

BTW, trying to hit me with the humble stick by bring up Wells’ contract, a contract figure and terms I nailed long before it came out, doesn’t make a lot of sense. Has Wells worked out like the Blue Jays hoped? No, he hasn’t. But that gets filed under the “pays your dues and takes your chances” category and not the “have no clue what you’re talking about” file. But looking big picture, yeah… I’ve had some memorable misses and I came back and posted again.

• “Good job you’re not in charge.”
• “DELETE PLEASE.”
• “This is the example of a terrible fan trade proposal.”
• “Your Giants loving friends don’t know what they’re talking about. You seem to know even less.”
• “Drop the trade and take three steps back from the crack pipe.”

This is what folks are talking about when they say AN is unfriendly to newbies. So the trade proposal was off-base; say it’s not equitable, or say why and educate someone on trade equity, or don’t comment.

Maybe getting Randy Velarde in 1999?

but is Holliday that popular? he hasn’t exactly been filling up the coliseum. Of course that is due to the rest of the team sucking also. i think a walk-off hit would do wonders for his popularity. I can only think of 1 game changing hit from him off the top of my head (I guess there could be more).

I would look at it more like “the A’s hold the cards.” They don’t have to trade Holliday because he’s already worth 2 draft picks to them, whereas the Giants need hitting – their main LFer, Fred Lewis, has 10 RBI this season (!).

To me, what will prevent a workable trade is that the one guy the A’s really need, Pablo Sandoval, also happens to be what the Giants can’t part with: One of the few good hitters they have. Two teams both in need of hitting, both weakest in position players, does not make for as good a match.

Thanks a bunch.