The Geren burn out factor is it a problem?
by Arcman on Jun 2, 2009 8:01 AM PDT
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I have said a few times that Geren has no idea on resting players. He burns out his players by playing them everyday which slows down their bat speed and makes the bench players with no bat timing. A good example is Suzuki right now. He is a great hitter but is struggling because of playing almost everyday. His position is the hardest on the body and needs to rest once to twice a week. Geren uses the excuse that Powell is hurt but that is no excuse put him on the DL if he can't play. Holiday is another example who has not had a day off besides a injury. True for Cabrera also. Cabrera bat is slowing down because of no rest.
Part of being a manager is knowing when to rest players and when to use the bench. Geren has no abilities to do this. The only way a player gets a rest is if he is injured or in Geren's dog house(a post another time). Geren will give you 101 injury excuses but he is the manager and its time for him to act like a manager. What do you think of the rest factor?
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What bench....
the bench has been starting most of the year! Do you want to sit Holliday for Davis? I agree Suzuki is overworked, considering all of Geren’s misgivings – bench play is the least of them.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jun 2, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions
I agree Geren is no mastermind....
but let’s face it – he doesn’t have real talent to work with either. I’ve said it before, there are 5 – 10 quality MLB players on this team – that’s not exactly a recipe for success!
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jun 2, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Still a tired player is no help
He had Buck sitting on the bench most of the first 2 months. Why Davis is on the team I have no idea. They need to pick up a back up outfielder that can pinch hit and play occasionaly. Patterson is in AAA and would be a good utility player for this team. He can play outfield and infield. Lets face it he can’t do any worse than crosby/davis/ hannahan combo in the hitting department. Bat speed is why the A’s couldn’t catch up with floyd pitches last night. Tired bats= slow bat speed.
Statements like this always crack me up.
Here’s a guy playing baseball for a living… one level removed from the very top level in the world… in an elite class in itself if judged rationally… which most fans like us would give our right testicle to be able to do if not for the fact that nobody would ever even offer us a contract… and yet HE “sucks at baseball”. LOL.
I do the same thing, but I still think it’s funny.
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup
by UncleLeo on Jun 2, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's kinda funny.
I don’t particularly wish I was a player anymore, but I’d kill to be a part of an MLB Front Office.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I somewhat agree but
O Cab usually plays 150+ games a year and last year played 161 games, but I’m not denying he sucks. I stated it all preseason before we signed this guy that he would be a cancer to the team and is not a good player (an upgrade over Crosby yes).
Advise for O Cab: Don’t Swing until you have 3 strikes – If you get want I’m saying – you suck, leave oakland.
Holliday – He’s being paid enough money and will probably only be on our team for less then 2 more months – so play that slacker 100% on the time.
Geren does suck and is overworking Bailey and suzuki
Cabrera
Not a lead off hitter with his low OBA. He is a bottom of the order guy which the A’s already have to many. Most teams only have 1 player with a .200 avg on the team but the A’s have 4.
Ooh, I like "OrCa"
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
A's have been hard on catchers in particular for several years...
…and it’s been a complaint of mine. I’m not sure if Suzuki insists on playing everyday, ala Kendall, but I agree that it’s the manager’s job to occasionally tell a player ‘no’ whether the player likes it or not. The manager’s responsibility is to the team first, player(s) second.
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup
The front office's unwillingness to place Powell on the DL
…combined with Geren’s willingness to trot Suzuki out there nearly every game will lead to the rapid decline of Suzuki, unfortunately. With Donaldson playing well in AA, I could see Beane shipping Suzuki in a trade before he begins to break down physically (maybe this trade deadline, next offseason?).
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
The Powell injury is just a recent situation (albeit still perplexing)...
…the overuse of Suzuki (and Kendall before him) in general is long-standing.
I hadn’t thought about trading Suzuki early, but I hope not. I’d prefer they use him a little more sparingly so he doesn’t break down at a younger age and keep him. The team talks about knowing they need to keep players and build fan identification, but lately they haven’t shown it.
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup
After the Swisher trade, is anyone on the A's untouchable?
That trade totally surprised me, considering Swisher ’s contract was recently extended during the season.
I doubt offering a two-month Holliday rental could net us a stud third baseman or shortstop. However, if offering Suzuki could bring that player to the A’s, I would have to seriously think about parting with him.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jun 2, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't view any player as literally untouchable, but yeah...
…the Swisher trade was a surprise. I do believe them when they say it was an offer from Chicago that was too good to refuse, hence the surprise on our part.
I’d prefer they keep Suzuki, and build some fan recognition and loyalty, but I’d never pass up a killer deal either. It’s got to be a killer deal that is virtually certain to pay immediate dividends, though, and trading established players for low-level prospects with “huge upsides” doesn’t necessarily qualify.
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup
well then why don't the A's pick up another backup catcher via trade?
Seems like a no brainer to me, especially since Powell is really banged up. He needs to heal properly and Zooks needs to rest accordingly.
I would like Suzuki to stay in Oakland for a long time…..he’s not going anywhere!
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
They acquired Curtis Thigpen earlier in the year.
They acquired Curtis Thigpen earlier in the year. I thought they were going to use him as a backup.
I think rest is a big problem
They rest too much. Everytime they land a winning streak it is ended because someone needed rest. Push, push, push. If they aren’t hitting well, make them take extended batting practice. If they aren’t pitching well, make them pitch to our struggling hitters till they can come around. Practice, practice, practice. It is their job.
Believe
they rest in the batters box. No need to bench them for an entire game.
by Future Ed on Jun 2, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Suzuki and Bailey are the two players Geren is misusing
This is Bailey’s first season in MLB. He’s 4th among all MLB relievers in IP on the season.
On Suzuki, I somewhat agree, although his pace isn’t too alarming. Only 3 catchers have started more games than Suzuki: Kendall, Y.Molina, and Martin. Kurt and Bengie Molina are tied. Martin has a reputation for being notoriously overused though.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
The other problem with resting Zook, and DL'ing Powell, are, the A's have no
other catcher who has caught the pitchers. During spring training, Munson, was not with the team. and I don’t believe Gallaraga, ever caught them I believe that is more essential, than whatever offense Kurt adds.
That's the quandary
But one that the A’s front office got itself into when they chose Powell (notoriously unhealthy) as their backup. An 40 man roster spot could be easily opened up for a third catcher if the A’s finally DFA Davis or Jeff Gray. As for Galaraga, he caught some innings during the Spring, but it was minimal. He is hitting well in AAA (.925 OPS in 50 PA…the small sample size alerting you that he too has been injured some, which goes as no surprise because even if you are new to the A’s organization, you automatically become incredibly unhealthy and injury prone [see Corey Wimberly as evidence]).
Not that it would matter much, but what happened to Curtis Thigpen? Still in the purgatory of Extended Spring Training due to an injury?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jun 2, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Powell wasn't notoriously unhealthy.
He blew out his knee in consecutive seasons. It’s not like he’s Nomar.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Nomar has been perpetually unhealthy as his career advanced
Powell has torn the same left ACL twice. This problem can become compounded by the fact that he plays a position that is difficult on the knees. He’s a injury waiting to happen.
And I recall reading an article during Spring Training that Powell has autoimmune hepatitis.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
A little hepatitis never hurt anybody.
From what I remember, he blew out his ACL because he got too heavy.
He looks like he’s in much better shape now.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Thigpen is rehabbing a back injury.
Gallaraga, Thigpen, and Munson have all been hurt, so that Recker is now the starting Sacramento catcher. So the A’s don’t have many options.
Gallaraga is certainly an entertaining proposition when he gets better. In the Mexican league he consistently hit well over .300 and never put up an OBP under .400. I haven’t been able to find much info on him, but it sounds like he’s very close to big league ready – he’s never really struggled to adjust to new leagues.
This is exactly why Suzuki should be rested more often in general...
…so that when a situation where the back-up is injured Suzuki can more easily take the increased burden without adverse effect. Then, they could call up another guy as more of an emergency back-up.
If the normal back-up is only on the 15 DL there’s no reason a healthy and strong Suzuki can’t pull extra service for a couple weeks. If it were a 60-day affair, then all bets are off anyway.
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup
Munson on the DL
As is Thigpen and Gallaraga.
FYI,Bowen started his own business, he’s not exactly in a position to return.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Well, if knowing the pitchers is the only issue,
they could re-sign Rob Bowen. As far as I know, no one has picked him up since we released him.
Bowen was there for most of spring training, wasn’t he? And he probably worked with Braden and Outman a little last year.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Oops, didn't see grover's post
I didn’t know about Bowen’s business. (Actually, I still don’t. What is it?)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Because he is still hurting and isn't 100%??
I think the injury he had during/prior to ST is currently rendering him unable to play MLB or minor league ball. Thus he “started a business”.
"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully
by One won lost won on Jun 3, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you think of the rest factor?
That it is way overblown. Just like I feel that ‘seasoning’ down in the minors is a way overblown concept. Just my opinions though.
As a general rule... for a starting catcher...
…I feel that a good workload is about 140 starts per season. Add about 5-10 games as a late-inning replacement in extra inning games, pinch hitting, etc., and you’ve got a good season of work.
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup
I do feel differently about the catching position
I think that day games after night games and double-headers require some rest as long as a) there’s not already a scheduled day off the following day and b) the players skills allow him to either DH or play a less damanding position such as 1B. There are a few catchers around the league, right now, that can do this. And, historically, there were some catchers who played quite regularly, produced, and had lengthy careers.
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