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Around SBN: Miami Wins Opener Over Boston, 93-79

A's Fail to Lose, Dodge the Dodgers, 5-4

The A's did everything to give this one away.

But a win is a win is a win, and Oakland snapped a four-game losing skid with a 5-4 victory at Dodger Stadium.

Hey, a 5-4 score that works for us

Adam Kennedy got the A's off to a quick start with a leadoff double and later scored on a RBI-groundout by Matt Holliday.

Oakland starter (and winner) Trevor Cahill labored through a 29-pitch first inning in which he walked three consecutive batters- he escaped without allowing a run- then helped his own cause with some nifty glove work to get out of the second frame unscathed. 

Matt Kemp led off the inning with a single, and pilfered his way over to third base. With one out, LA hurler Hiroki Kuroda hit a shot back to Cahill, who knocked the ball down and threw out Kemp at the plate. The right-hander then got Juan Pierre to fly out to kill the threat.

Having seen his teammate walk the tightrope, Rajai Davis homered to lead off the third.  There's just something about June 17 that brings out the slugger in Davis. One year to the day after hitting his first homerun in an Oakland uniform, he did it again.  The silliness didn't end there, as Cahill singled in his first big-league at-bat.  One out later he was back at home plate, having scored on a booming homerun by Jack Cust to make it 4-0.

From there Cahill got into a groove, retiring eleven straight batters until Pierre doubled with two out in the fifth.  The inning was prolonged by a Kennedy error that allowed Pierre to take third, and he came around to score on a single by Orlando Hudson. 

That miscue was a portent of things to come.

The A's got that run back in the sixth, as Cust beat the shift with his third bunt single of the season.  Matt Holliday forced Cust, later stole second (his of first of two SB's on the night), and touched home on a base hit by our own Orlando (Cabrera).

An error by OOO (our own Orlando) led to another Dodger run in the bottom half (which ended Cahill's night), and then things turned really ugly after the stretch.

Rafael Furcal walked to lead off the seventh.  Hudson then lofted a fly ball towards Cust, who dropped it.  James Loney popped up to short, and Cabrera dropped it!  Infield fly in effect, keeping runners at first and second with one out.  Exit Breslow, enter Ziegler, who promptly gave up a single to Casey Blake to load the bases, and a knock to Andre Ethier to plate Furcal and Hudson.  With Dodger fans gearing up for another comeback, Ziegler induced Kemp to hit into a 4-6-3 double play to end the inning.

In the eighth Ziegler escaped again, starting an inning-ending 1-6-3 DP.

On came Andrew Bailey, and of course it wasn't going to be easy.  Furcal reached on an infield single that Kennedy had trouble with, but Bailey retired the next three batters to nail down a typically wacky 67M thread the victory.

Well, there's your win, Pam.

(Barely)

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Jack Cust: HR, bunt single, dropped fly ball.

New “three true outcomes”?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously.

This one wore me out, man.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 17, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Okay, I was gone last night so I had to…

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 18, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

But of course, mike!

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 18, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am still trying to catch my breath

exciting does not do it justice

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jun 17, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

If your breath is a pop-up, don't bother.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

QOTM

emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.

by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 17, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Smell my breath!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

photo caption suggestion:

“O-Cab’s roundhouse kick decapitates Ethier. Dodgers forfeit. A’s win!”

Your 2009 Oakland Athetics: This time, it's personal.

by Kallus on Jun 17, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

either that or O-Cab says look at my junk

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jun 17, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or "Like Halley's comet, seen just above Cabrera, an A's win comes around every 75 years."

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or, "If Andre Ethier got any lower, he'd be Orlando Cabrera's OPS."

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

you win

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jun 17, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, but

it means games like the Seattle game, where we lost the lead, then got a 3-run lead, then lost the game anyway.

"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw

by One won lost won on Jun 17, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That one was funny, too.

That and this are the two most entertaining series so far this year.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 17, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cahill showed alot of poise tonight even though his defense

tried to screw him out of the win. Bailey was outstanding and props to Ziggy for hanging in there as well.

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Driving down for tomorrow's game

I hope to see Mazzaro World in person.

All Games and Comments are Subject to Blackout

by Hit4TheCycle on Jun 17, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Have fun!

Dodger Stadium is def worth the trip.

"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw

by One won lost won on Jun 17, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you're still able to, email me at

pam5981 at gmail dot com and come find us!

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on Jun 18, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The highlight of this game for me was in the first inning

when Cahill had a hard time settling down and loaded the bases. Giambi came over to try and calm him down and cheer him on, and I think it worked great. Cahill got the out he needed and got out of that inning. On the way back to the dug out they showed Giambi come over and congratulate him for getting out of the inning. That for me was awesome and its exactly the kind of veteran leadership that this team needs

by Amnesiac on Jun 17, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

inept and embarrassing, yes

but I have a huge issue with assuming that these guys just dont care

by Amnesiac on Jun 17, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to say I was a bit bothered right after Cabrera dropped the pop-up,

that Geren came to the mound and O-Cab was standing there laughing. If I were leading the major leagues in SS errors and had just dropped a routine pop-up, I wouldn’t find it especially amusing.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

and how come he gets a pass and crosby gets yanked midgame for

not making a play that wasn’t even totally his?

favoritism at it’s worst

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Standing there laughing"

well thats a bit of an exaggeration. I was upset, about it too but they guy chuckled, nothing more. You’re making it sound like he was laughing it up and cracking jokes about it. It seemed like more of a nervous chuckle

by Amnesiac on Jun 17, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he’s laughing because he couldn’t possibly have thrown it harder and Giambi can’t make the pick to save his life. I’d have to laugh too at that point or I’d cry.

by sox1844 on Jun 17, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Geren threatened to pull Cabrera and he replied:

“And who are you going to replace me with, Crosby? Mwahahaha.”

by OldhamA on Jun 18, 2009 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

QOTM

Awesome

"Bobby Crosby at third is a bit of an adventure. And not like, here’s some hidden treasure, what fun. More like, gah! poison ants!" --alea iacta est

by baseballgirl on Jun 18, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh please.

The infield fly had been called. It’s impossible to know if that affected O-Cab’s concentration, and it really doesn’t matter if it did.

Call it the Suzuki Theory: "Throw ball over plate. Repeat."

by smokelanda on Jun 18, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Giambi's been waving at throws in a way that makes one think

of the (aged) Queen of England wafting an unpleasant odor away from her nose. Yeah, the throwing infielder gets the error for bouncing the ball .. but I’m sorry, he’s looked freaking lazy.

by el campysino on Jun 17, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right,

Giambi should have just let the kid sit there and marinate in his own mess. Forget offering words of encouragement, if he was going to not care, dammit, he should have gone all the way.

by Amnesiac on Jun 17, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, you're right.

He should perform symbolic actions and pose as a Respected Veteran Figure (not hard) rather than, you know, put in the physical effort expected of a major league first baseman.

by el campysino on Jun 17, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or how about when Giambi made the play at first to end the 6th inning, diving face first to tag the bag. The cameras flashed to Cahill who looked equally amused at Giambi’s less than graceful dive, and amazed that Springer bailed him out.

by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Jun 17, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can chacon throw down geren?

Shawn Chacon Signs With Athletics

By Tim Dierkes [June 18 at 12:24am CST]

MLBTR has learned tonight that pitcher Shawn Chacon signed a minor league deal with the A’s. Pitching for the independent league Newark Bears, the 31 year-old Chacon posted a 4.29 ERA with 29 strikeouts and 16 walks in 42 innings this year. The Astros released him about a year ago after he threw the team’s GM, Ed Wade, to the ground in a clubhouse altercation.

by Asfan4ever723 on Jun 17, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Nah, they just need a bouncer/pitcher in Stockton

cheaper to get two-for-one…

"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw

by One won lost won on Jun 17, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess Jerome Williams wasn't cutting it

at being sucky enough.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 17, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? I thought Jerome was doing OUTSTANDING at being sucky.

Well, he’ll just have to try harder.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He misses having E-Gon

to share his suckiness with

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 17, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I think even I have a 4.29 ERA in Independent League ball.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe they could hire this guy?

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who? The white guy or the proctologist?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the other guys is Hulk Hogan

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure the white guy is Krazy George

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Sweeney is likely to be activated for tomorrow’s game.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 17, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, one way to go is to start Rajai in CF, Sweeney in RF,

and give Cust a day off. Go for the best defensive OF and sit a lefty against Wolf.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

No more horror shows like tonight...

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now pinch hitting batting left number 32 Jack Cust

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jun 17, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah - just more chance for comical collisions

I say we go with eight.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's eligible tomorrow, but...

He doesn’t hit LHP too well and lefties are 5/60 this year against Randy Wolf. May be wise to ride the Rajai love train for one more day and then let Sweeney face TBA on Friday.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

or at least have him available for off the bench duty...

or do they start Denorfia tomorrow?

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't Denorfia be the one going to AAA?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's what I expect

of course, what I expect isn’t always what happens

by OaklandSi on Jun 18, 2009 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

They should send Barton down though

He’s not going to get a start in an NL park b/c of teh Giambino.

But then, the A’s don’t care about getting their young prospect hitters playing time.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 18, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

He kills that guy!

PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves

by adragon on Jun 17, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

right..... I meant if they didn't bring Sweeney back tomorrow

and started Denorfia and sat Cust etc…

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah. Are they allowed to play Denorfia?

It’s unclear.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

brilliant!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love this response from Geren after Slusser asked him about O-Cab looking tired...typical
I asked Geren before the game about Orlando Cabrera, because he hasn’t looked quite as sharp to me as he usually does defensively. Some scouts I just talked to were saying the same thing, and speculating that maybe he’s a little tired. Geren said Cabrera looks fine to him, just like always. Having seen Cabrera a lot over the years and having always loved watching him play defense, he just seems a tick off to me recently.

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah just a "more errors than any major league SS, oops was I supposed

to catch that?" bit off.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless O-Cab is insisting on playing every day, I don't understand why they don't sit him

Crosby has been playing more or less consistently anyway. Put him back at SS for a game or 2 and let the starter get his groove back.

by Joey C. on Jun 18, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

in late April Cabrera actually told Geren

that he was tired and could use a day off, but Geren delayed giving him the day off (he eventuallly did). So it’s possible that Cabrera has indicated that he could use a day off, but Geren simply hasn’t given it to him yet.

by OaklandSi on Jun 18, 2009 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah the days of the 85' Meta and hanging with Doc gooden and Keith Hernandez in the dugout....

chopping up some freshies…..sniff!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Mets I mean

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe that's why OCab was available

Can’t field, can’t hit. A true Athletic. Ouch. That was a little harsh. Who cares anyway, we won! Celebrate good times come on! WOO HOO!

"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." -Jessica Rabbit

by A'sfansince1970 on Jun 17, 2009 11:14 PM PDT reply actions  

OK, lets be honest…. OC is tired, he can’t buy a day off. Besides that, I feel like Giambi and Barton and Crosby and Joe Shmoe… whoever is at first NEEDS to make some picks. WTF, tonight OC was deep in the hole and it was a textbook one bouncer and Giambi waved at it like crazy. How many errors does he have to take like that this year? But he has to take all the heat for it? Not fair.

by sox1844 on Jun 17, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Crosby is still an adequate SS defensively and he did hit another bomb last night

give OC a friggin day off already!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know.....kind of ironic isn't it?

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 18, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right now, I'd rather see Crosby every day than OCab.

He is the superior hitter right now, and they both aren’t playing well in the field.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 18, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

SOT....

A blurb from Matt’s World…..enjoy.
http://mattholliday.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/06/on-the-road-again.html

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

A's win. Giants and Lincecum lose.

It was sloppy, but it was a good day.

Let’s win this series!

Green and Gold Lantern Corps

by oaklandSMASH on Jun 17, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I know...those useless Giants!

you think they could win at least one of those games….

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

After hearing the Sports Talk Giants fans with

a.) a healthy disrespect of us and our team

and

b.) delusions of grandeur (“our pitching can take us to the world series, man!”)

I didn’t mind slegnA cutting them down to size. I want the Gnats to get softened up before they face us again!

Green and Gold Lantern Corps

by oaklandSMASH on Jun 17, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

true dat.

I did get alot of that from my Giants friends after they swept us last weekend. Now they’re probably saying, “Um, maybe we’re really not that good after all…”

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 18, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

way better? nah!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 18, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

If this is going to devolve into --

“Way!”

“No way!”

“Yeah, way!”

— it’s really time to call it a night.

by el campysino on Jun 18, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, those dang Giants!

The A’s are SO close to overtaking the division, damn those G-Nats!

by FurVault on Jun 18, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m saying!! Crosby can play SS, give him a game or two. OC is tired, he’s had ONE day off so far. Even the games where we’re winning or losing by a million, he’s the only one to never come out.

by sox1844 on Jun 17, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

mizzzzzzzzzzaro

What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?

by greenbean on Jun 17, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Will dominate the Blue Boys tomorrow. Book it!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I tuned in for the 7th and beyond

Despite the Breslow/Ziegler debacle, an entertaining watch. My Dodger-loving roommate was angry. For one night, at least.

It was nice to watch something positive for once. During the whole losing 6 out of 7 thing recently, I was forced to hunker down and comfort myself with the new Animal Collective record. And no one wants that.

by Joey C. on Jun 18, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed!

I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.

by franks a lot on Jun 18, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The headline here is pretty damn good

I barley followed the game yesterday because we had a couple of new additions to the family (my sister had twins) during the day, which meant i had work to catch up on at home at night. While I was sitting at the kitchen table, reading email, I thought “I wonder if the A’s have managed to lose that lead yet?”

by jeffro on Jun 18, 2009 8:18 AM PDT reply actions  

This from the above link

(06-18) 04:00 PDT Los Angeles – —

Michael Wuertz has made a lot of appearances, and it might be catching up to him a little.

After coming in for his second inning of work Tuesday, the right-hander gave up two runs to tie the game, and he said Wednesday that he has been feeling “physically drained.”

“Maybe I’m a little tired,” he said. “I’ve pitched in 31 out of 63 games – that’s a pretty good pace. Sometimes that can catch up to you.”

Wuertz noted at the beginning of the season, when the bullpen was really clicking, the workload was spread out, with Santiago Casilla and Russ Springer getting the ball far more often. The main three now are Wuertz, left-hander Craig Breslow and rookie closer Andrew Bailey, with Brad Ziegler also getting in quite a bit. If the set-up men aren’t effective, Bailey then gets asked to do even more.

“It’s tough on Bailey; you can’t expect him to go out and get five outs every time,” Wuertz said. “We’ve got to do a better job of getting the ball to him.”

Wuertz said his velocity has been OK, but he’s leaving pitches up in the zone too much, which is often an indication that he’s tired.

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Having read this

I expect (since I will be at the game) Vin Mazzaro to go 8 innings and have a 5 run lead for someone other than Wuertz to play with in the 9th.

Now being that Bob Geren is the manager, he will no doubt have Wuertz up 3 times, bring him into the game with the bases loaded and no outs and expect him to pitch until his arm falls off as it is for the others that pitch above that are listed s being used alot.

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers formula?

I can’t help my envious disposition watching the Dodgers play. Yes, it is true I hate the Dodgers; not because of any other reason other than Kirk Gibson.
Anyways, I hate to admit it, but they are a very ‘watchable’ team. Their line up is made up of a lot of young talent. I really have a hard time seeing Ethier perform so well. They sign players that have underperformed on other teams, (Blake, Hudson), the develop rookies who other teams tried to pluck away in trades, and finally they have a great knack for talent. With a young core of Loney, Martin (even though he can’t hit a HR), Ethier, and Kemp they have a core to build around for years to come. When you add Furcal, Blake, and Hudson to that mix and when Manny comes back, they are going to be tough to beat.
I can’t help but to think watching the Dodgers play, why are we so much different than them, even though they have so many young players? What are we not doing right? Trading Ethier? I don’t know, but I don’t like it!

Byron

by DoomandGloom on Jun 18, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Rotoworld doesn't seem to like Cust
Cust just hasn’t been the same player this year. He’s swinging at more pitches, thus making more contact, however he has just 12 homers in his first 219 at-bats this season — well off his career average. As a result of the aggressiveness, his walk rate has suffered. Don’t expect a rebound in the second half.

I’m not disputing the swinging at more pitches and walking less but isn’t he still on pace for 30 HRs? Maybe my math is off. “don’t expect a rebound second half” man, the guy just hit a opposite field HR and a bunt single against the shift in the same game, cut him some slack or at least complain about the drop.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Jun 18, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Mor bnts agnst shft plz...

"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 18, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

saw that RW post, thought it was harsh.

I think we need more lineups that start AK-Cust-Holliday-Gaimbi-Suzuki, Cust is perfect for the #2 spot.

by PL78 on Jun 18, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, he's only on pace for 24 homers in 440 ABs

Or 30+ homers in 550 ABs.

He sucks.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 18, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Cust and his average wiill go up if he stays in the 2 hole

or goes down to the 5 hole.

His average took a dump when he was in 3 hole. IMO he is not a 3 hole hitter.

I like this version of Cust and expect his average to rise if he stays in the holes.

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I can do without a bunch more strikeout’s looking

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting on base is fine

but when you have others who like backing their way on base and not being aggressive, I would rather have him be more aggressive with runners on.

I don’t know but the alarming thing about him hitting .069 on a 3-2 count is that he probably saw a meatball or two early in the AB and didn’t take advantage of it and I have no way of knowing but I would like to know how much of that .069 on a 3-2 count is with runners on base waiting to be driven in.

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

You seem not to understand that

this approach you’re suggesting for Jack Cust (being more aggressive) seems to be strongly correlated with him making MORE outs while actually NOT helping the offense produce more runs. Thus, this is actually HURTING the team and the offense overall. And aren’t you the one who’s incessantly complaining about the offense?

by Tripp on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I complain about the whole offensive philosophy of Beane

IMO we don’t score runs year after year because we (the players) watch too many hittable pitches go by.

People walking does’t help in the next batter is going to strike out looking.

They need to be more aggressive like other teams are. Opposing pitchers over the years know they can throw a meatball for strike one and get these players in a hole.

Jack Cust seems to swing at the first pitch more often. He’s not complaing when he makes contact on that 1st pitch because more often than not he gets a hit.

Like I said before, the slegnA walked over 100 times less than us last year but had way more hits. They are more aggressive.

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you prefer a less offensively potent version of Jack Cust

because your aesthetics are bothered by the more offensively potent version of Jack Cust. Okay.

by Tripp on Jun 18, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer hits to walks

The slegnA don’t walk a hell of a lot but the score with hits.

A walk gives you one base. A hit can do so much more.

Jack Cust has 12 home runs so far. I see more RBI’s over a full year than last year.

He’s hitting way over .500 when swinging at the first pitch. He’s mixing it up. His average is down because he was hitting in the #3 hole.

If the idiot that manages the team, leaves him in the 2 hole, I would think his average goes up 20 or 30 points.

I think this version is Cust is better than the other providing he is put in the order either be it the #2 or #5 hole. I also wouldn’t care if the OBP is down as long as the average is up and he’s making more contact. That’s just my opinion.

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow...woooow.

Not going to even bother with this one…

by Tripp on Jun 18, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good for you

You asked what I though so I gave you my opinion.

I am not going to change the way you think and you are not going to change what I think.

So don’t bother because it’s obvious you are an expert

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just looked it up

Batting 3rd he has 103 AB’s and 16 hits .155 average
Batting 5th he has 90 AB’s and 23 Hits .256 average (.101 points higher)

These to me represent enough AB’s to support him not batting 3rd.

Hitting 2nd is too small of a sample which is 4 for 8 with the 2 home runs.

He also has one very sad stat and that when he is at a 3-2 count he hits .069 (2 for 29) That is appalling to say the least. I imagine a lot of breaking pitches on 3-2 get thrown to him

by Trainman on Jun 18, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's also always batting with two strikes, and BA doesn't give credit for his walks.

What’s interesting to me is to ponder whether it actually affects a batter to hit #2 vs. #3. It shouldn’t, but does it? Or is this always just statistical noise?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jun 18, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

What happened to the defense on this team?

I used to love watching the A’s on defense a few years ago. Can we hire Wash as a parttime infield coach (will Texas mind)? All the regulars need a refresher course except Hannahan.

With Giambi’s slower bat and inability to scoop, I would rather see Barton at first more often than not. It seems Barton’s defense has come a long way from what I remember during his September call up in 2007 and early season drops in 2008 and he is fun to watch at 1B (love the splits!). And I don’t think we would loose anything with his bat over the current G in the long run. Barton has only had 8 ABs in 4 games since being called up. Give him a few days in a row at 1B and see what he can do! Besides, Giambi’s legs could use the rest.

And thank goodness for the infield fly rule, but OrCa should just let Hannahan field anything he can get to on the left side. I almost spit up my beer when I saw Hannahan peel away from the popup… and then to see Cabrera drop it!

This team is getting hard to watch… even when they win!

by jakebmill on Jun 18, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Time to Fire Bob Geren

This guy is really a lousy manager that has not proved any ability in his 3 years as Manager. Currently the A’s are last in the American League. He has no clue on his pitching staff and is a stiff emotionless bafoon.

by firebobgeren on Jun 19, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

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