Just a Few Tidbits with Taj
Last night's loss was tough, but I've gotten used to it with this outfit. I don't want to really re-hash any of the "lack of passion/lack of intensity/lack of focus" debates that we've had here on this site several times already this season, but I need to vent on a few topics regarding this team and hope to just get some constructive conservation going:
1. The Coaching/Manager Issue: I know everybody has different opinions regarding the importance of a baseball manager and the major league coaching staff. I get that and we're all aware of where I stand on the issue. I can respect the opinions of others who think that Geren and the rest of the coaching staff bear little or no responsibility for the horrible play of the A's this season. I can even respect the opinions of A's management if they decide to keep Geren and others in charge of this outfit...but I'd at least like to see the organization show that they are "investigating" whether the coaching is part of the problem, part of the solution or just irrelevant, rather than just showing blind faith in a group of coaches that haven't really shown the ability to maximize the talents of the players under their charge (excepting maybe Curt Young and Ron Romanick). I really enjoyed reading this statement from Nationals president Stan Kasten when asked about the possibility that the team would fire manager Manny Acta:
...I can confess to you how perplexed I am by this season, this team, and the things that are going on. Our record is a real trouble to me, every single day. I'm troubled by everything, and we continue to look for solutions. Have I thought about every possibility? Of course I have, as has Mike, as have our owners. We're certainly not satisfied with our record, far from it. We're distraught over it, and we're going to consider anything we need to do to make it better.
If I read a similar statement from Beane and Company, I confess that I would feel a little better about things. Without really deciding anything, it would at least indicate that the team was looking for solutions in every possible avenue, rather than just repeating the refrain, "Injuries have hurt us" and "The offense needs to come around." Since player input hastened Ken Macha's departure after 2006, perhaps players should be solicited with their opinions of whether Geren should remain manager in 2009?
2. The Holliday Situation: Buster Olney and others are trying to make the case that the "A's need to trade Holliday before the deadline or else risk losing out on draft pick compensation because he's surely going to accept arbitration and cost the team $15/16 million". I find that line of thinking somewhat of a stretch. Sure, Holliday isn't tearing up the American League and is not in the position to demand a $100 million free agent contract after the season, but even with his major struggles to begin the year, the guy is still on pace to hit nearly 25 homers, steal 13-15 bases, drive-in nearly 100 and hit .280/.290. He's still in his prime and has a phenomenal track record. Besides that, three of the biggest markets in the game will be looking for corner outfield help at the end of the season (Angels, Red Sox, Yankees) and at least one of those, but more likely all three, will surely offer Matt a multi-year contract offer that will far exceed the $15 or $16 million he may get by accepting arbitration with the A's. Besides, is having a highly-motivated Matt Holliday on a 1-year deal during a year when the A's have a ton of payroll flexibility (2010) that bad of a Plan B or C for this team? I don't think so. Bottom line: Beane's in the driver's seat with Holliday and I expect him to deal him only if he get can a pretty valuable package of prospects.
3. The Chavez Situation: Chavvy's recent decision to undergo another back surgery got me hoping and praying that this was the background conversation that led to the decision:
Beane: "Chavvy...you're surely not coming back at all this season and, as things stand, you're costing us $12 million for next year as well. There's really only one chance to get you back on the field, and that's to get another surgery now. If we do it now, there's a chance you could be ready for Spring Training in 2010, but there's also a chance your career will be over before then. If you get the surgery now, and you don't feel better by Spring Training, will you agree to retire and save us some money?"
Chavvy: "Umm...well...I feel great right now, but sure, let me call Kotsay and talk with my family and then I'll let you know."
(Ten Minutes Later)
Chavvy: "Yeah, let's do it. I'll get the surgery done in a few days and go from there."
Beane: (jumping up and down) "Awesome, thanks...any chance we can that agreement in writing?"
Seriously...if this latest surgery leaves Chavvy's back "too unstable" to play baseball, he NEEDS to retire. The current status quo of "I'm going to try my darndest to get back on the field while I'm under contract" is just untenable for the franchise. His vascillations between complete resignation to retirement to unbridgled optimism are sapping a lot of energy from the fan base and the organization.
4. Is Bonds a Possibility?: Every year this topic gets broached here on AN, and I aim to make sure it's on the backburner this year too. If Beane doesn't find a deal for Holliday that is to his liking, this team as currently constituted will likely remain intact for the duration of the season, for better or worse, due to the untradable nature of Giambi, Cabrera and Nomar. If that turns out to be the case, shouldn't the team at least investigate possibile ways to improve the team for the stretch run? Bonds, currently unemployed, could potentially add some much-much needed pop and OBP to the team for some of July and September. He'd likely sign for cheap and would motivated to reach some milestones (he needs 65 more hits for 3,000, 38 homers for 800, and needs to score 69 more runs to move past Rickey as the all-time leader in runs scored). It's highly doubtful that he could achieve any of those milestones in a month or two of action, but Bonds is enough of an egomaniac to at least try. Given that he'd only cost money (and only a small amount at that - less than $1 million) and would drum up at least a little bit of interest in the A's and would buttres the young pitchers a bit, does anybody think it's even a possibility? I say it's possible...DH Bonds, platoon Nomar and Giambi at 1st and play Cust in right full-time. Terrible defense, but a lineup full of formerly big-names might be fun to watch for a month or two...I'm not saying it's a great idea, or even a good one, but this team is pretty desperate for offense...
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I say fire Geren and hire Acta
Anything is better than Geren.
by KCa's on Jun 17, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually much rather have Acta.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jun 17, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Acta was considered one of the candidates for the job opening
And if I recall correctly, Washington, Hillman, and Hershiser also participated in this farce of a job interview process.
Maybe one of Geren’s kids could graduate high school/college in the upcoming days, allowing Tye Waller to coach a game or two in Geren’s absence. That would be interesting, but I have a feeling it would be more of a “meet the new boss, same as the old boss” kind of thing.
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by franks a lot on Jun 17, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time is a-limited: Acta Now!
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM, tag team
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Acta or Bobby Valentine are 2 very smart baseball minds that arent being used well right now. Either one would be perfect here.
by PL78 on Jun 17, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loves me some Bobby Valentine...
but it’s not gonna happen…
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't we jumping the gun here?
Is there any evidence that Acta is going to get fired?
Here’s a goofy thought: Maybe we can do a straight-across swap with the Naitonals, Geren for Acta? Maybe Geren’s rah-rah is exactly what they need to get out of their slump. Maybe both guys would benefit from a change of scenery.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jun 17, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Acta has been rumored all week to be "about to be fired"
OTOH, it hasn’t happened yet, so who knows.
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends.
Is Acta BFF’s with Beane?
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
by muffinpryde on Jun 17, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about a return engagement for Gerald Perry
as hitting coach?
by OaklandSi on Jun 17, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point I'd be ready to trade any of the veterans that I can...
…not that I really want to see another team blown up, but this year isn’t going to work out.
I’d really consider some thinking outside of the box experiments as well, just on the off chance that something could work:
Travis Buck and Daric Barton both need to get real, everyday chances. Buck in center (I know, he’s not played there). Barton at third. Powell at first (I know, Carter and Doolittle are coming up, but Powell has no real future as a catcher). Try it for 25 games. 50 games. Whatever it takes to see if might work out. If it doesn’t, then oh well, cross those options off.
The young starters aren’t being supported much by the team on the field as the plan was. The end result couldn’t be much worse.
by Dr Pez on Jun 17, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To me the whole point
of trading the vets would to get upgrades at one or more of the positions you mentioned. Let’s see, we need 3B, SS, CF, 1B, Closer/setup, oh, and a shit-ton of offense.
Buck, if he can stay healthy, grow a pair, and adjust his attitude, has a future with the team. The other guys, not so much.
Call it the Suzuki Theory: "Throw ball over plate. Repeat."
by smokelanda on Jun 17, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…but there are so many holes that they can’t all possibly be filled via trade and free agent, some help has to come from inside. That’s why I’m suggesting trying these players at positions that they are not known for.
by Dr Pez on Jun 17, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You call it a "real chance" if it's not even at their real position?
If we tried Barton @ 3B, Buck @ CF & Powell @ 1B for 25 games, we’d lose 21 of them, giving up 7 runs a game and still not know what we have in Barton, Buck or Powell. If we were going to do that, 2007 was the time, and Sacramento would have been the place.
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by RyanFromBonas on Jun 17, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts are that...
…there is no real clear cut centerfielder. Sweeney might be, but the jury is still out. So, try Buck, before acquiring one.
There is no third baseman on the horizon. Barton became a good defender at first, maybe he can at third. If not, one has to be sourced from outside the organization.
Powell will not be able to leap past Suzuki and become an everyday catcher, and, his body can’t stand up to it either. He may be able to play first though. I know that there are other prospects coming at first. This is more a way to see whether or not Powell’s bat is strong enough, and his body strong enough, to play everyday.
As for losing the games, the A’s already do that, with alarming regularity.
by Dr Pez on Jun 17, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Powell out for all of 2007?
Or was that 2006?
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have a SS of the future either
but that doesn’t mean we should try any of those guys at SS, either.
Playing 3 guys out of position — none of whom has proven to be a consistent ML hitter — is a formula for disaster.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jun 17, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"that doesn’t mean we should try any of those guys at SS, either"
You mean except Powell, right?
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be pretty funny, come to think of it
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jun 17, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Powell to Cust for one, and...
…and the batter has fallen to the ground halfway to first, laughing. He is literally rolling on the floor laughing…and he has just laughed his ass off!!!!"
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds
Another reason bonds would be motivated is to distance himself from clemons at hall of fame eligibility time.
DO you have to officially retire, or can you be unemployed for 5 years.
I would love to see bonds play for the A’s.
by Future Ed on Jun 17, 2009 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Look at Rickey
He never officially retired
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jun 17, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little surprised Rickey's not doing the circuit...
basically touring the country as a ringer for local baseball and softball teams. Bill Lee’s been doing it for well over a quarter century now, and still makes a middle class living at it…
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds...I would actually sign him if I was wolf...just for the revenue factory alone
Bonds would bring the A’s to center stage and our attendance will jump…Personally, I think wolf should slash ticket prices and have $1 days $2 days and fill the stadium and make money on food, parking and merchandise. We’re not making money with empty seats…
Fire Geren
Bring Bonds in……..revenue and media frenzy! Shit, we can’t get any worse with him…
by ryanmoser on Jun 17, 2009 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it will be like peolpe buying records just to burn them
THey’ll come out to yell and make paper mache syringes.
by Future Ed on Jun 17, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they'll bring their wallets to the stadium
money money money….money!….Who cares….everybody roided…Crap we had the worst of the bunch…I still have my Steroids Bash Brother poster up in the garage….Bring on Bonds, the boo birds, the media, and the money…
by ryanmoser on Jun 17, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
HOW many “proven” roiders are still in the league again? Selig is just a pitiful little dumbass.
And the media coverage. If it gets people to STFU about the Yankees, Red Sox, and Manny Ramirez, it can’t be a bad thing.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Selig is the one releasing the steroid info, and is a smartypants for his method
Sammy Sosa announces his retirement and the 2003 findings are leaking like 2 days later
A-rod gets outed before the season starts, but about a week before he comes off the DL, Manny gets his suspension …. for a test he took in January. And why weren’t the results released in January?
This is what’s called a “soft release”. Selig is letting it dribble, dribble, dribble out because as long as you keep the blame/outrage shifting around people won’t get fixated on one guy (like they did for Bonds), and they’ll be paying more attention to the individual players rather than the league as a whole. If all 103 names from the 2003 report were dropped on us in one fell swoop, we would be holding the league accountable, not the players. Also, the added benefit of a soft release is that you start to loose track of how many players have been outed over time. With the slow release of information, it starts to feel like the status quo and becomes accepted.
by cityplANner on Jun 17, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus no ones cares about the back up middle infielders and relief pitchers who were juiced.
by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Jun 17, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting theory.
Makes a lot of sense.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Jun 17, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for all the bashing of Selig as some stupid, bungling, used-car salesman
he’s playing this really really well. It’s not about how he comes out personally, it’s about how baseball comes out. And how’s baseball doing? About to pass the NFL in revenue. There you go.
by cityplANner on Jun 17, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, definitely.
Selig might not be the best individual spokesman for the game, but he’s definitely a master behind-the-scenes manipulator who has lined the pockets of the owners and centralized power towards his office and ownership…those are no small feats when he’s dealing with a ton of pressure from the player’s union and media and even the federal government at times.
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by Taj Adib on Jun 17, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a stupid bungler...
…he’s just kinda evil in general…
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bud Selig was also responsible for the "Paul is Dead" rumor
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jun 17, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foam syringes!
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by franks a lot on Jun 17, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Bonds = a giant middle finger to Selig, who is who’s BFF again? Oh yeah our teams’ owner :(
by PL78 on Jun 17, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 re:
“I think wolf should slash ticket prices and have $1 days $2 days and fill the stadium and make money on food, parking and merchandise.”
I’ve thought this for the last few years as attendance continues to decline and “double play wednesday’s” continue to draw fans. Can’t make all seats cheap, but $8 beers make up for any lost money on ticket sales.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jun 18, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this economy its a great idea
People are much more likely to spend money in a captive audience framework (Hey Im really hungry and not going to leave the game mentality) then they are to pony up for a ticket, which directly competes with other forms of entertainment, and even watching the game on TV.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 18, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously doubt that slashing ticket prices results in more revenue
The sort of person who will come to the game on $2 day but not at regular price is the same sort of person who isn’t going to spend $8 for a beer.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
I won’t go if its more expensive but ill buy a beer.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 18, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Bonds ever plays another game in the MLB.
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by micdog2001 on Jun 17, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And that's the sad part.
He’s probably better offensively than 90% of all MLB. Bonds DHing would be an auto-improvement.
And, he’s not THAT bad defensively. Not worse than a Cust, Giambi, Hawpe, Manny, Dye, Dunn, or anyone else who roams the field. Although for the sake of health, he should be primarily DH, but he would represent an improvement for an NL team.
It should be about ability. Period.
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by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he did sign..
Even though he may not have the history of being a great teammate, I think Bonds would at least share his knowledge about hitting to the young players. I could imagine him doing it for the PR sake and maybe trying to salvage his image, maybe not completely out of the kindness of his heart. I guess bottom line is that I could see him having a positive effect on the team.
by rightbackin on Jun 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign him up! Let's go!
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by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point 2 is very interesting
I had not even really considered the arbitration angle. I do not profess to be an expert reading body language or facial expressions, but to me watching a lot of games, Holliday looks disinterested and not especially happy to me. Very odd considering this year was the the year to prove he wasn’t just a Coors product and then cash large.
If the A’s finish a ways back in the standings and he doesn’t have a huge stat 2nd half, I have a very hard time thinking he could stick around. He will not envision a monster contact season coming in Oakland. Also, he won’t see huge run or RBI season on the horizon either with the present O….which we know other GM’s/teams take into consideration at FA time. Why not sign a one year deal in a hitter’s park for a discounted $8-10 million and go big if a one year contract (then play for a huge stat year and an economic turnaround) is the strategy. I don’t see any way he accepts arb unless the next couple months are drastically different that I foresee them being.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jun 17, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree here.
If Holliday wants to sign a 1 year deal to reestablish his value (since he is the superior player to several guys who signed massive, massive contracts in recent years), why not sign it to play in the billion dollar smallpark out east?
It doesn’t make business sense for him.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is:
Boston will end up re-signing Bay at some point and the Yankees will counter it by signing Holliday for a year longer or more overall money. Holliday is younger than Bay and the better defender and while he isn’t experiencing the type of monster season Bay is experiencing, he’d likely be a better overall investment long-term. I’m thinking something like 4/5 years for like $50-$60 million or something.
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by Taj Adib on Jun 17, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's could and should beat that offer
And supply him with free Prozac for his apparent depression over playing in Oakland.
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, a 5/60 deal would be fucking phenomenal.
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by mikev on Jun 17, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
The Great Depression came on real slow, and if the next few years go down the economic toilet, a deal like that would be a total albatross…
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly thats rediculous
If the Yankees are only paying that kinda money for that short of a commitment that the Rockies would offer 5-75 (which they already did) and get him back. Your numbers bear no resemblance to reality. Holliday may have cost himself a $180m contract. But I guarantee that he will get at least 90 million over 6.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, I was just guessing...70-90 million is probably more what he'll sign for if he can get a bidding war going.
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by Taj Adib on Jun 17, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im just saying that that is for way less money than he is making now
Throwing out that number just isn’t even close. For one Boras wouldn’t accept that figure. It would be a terrible blemish for him to get a player of Holliday’s caliber such a low offer that it doesn’t even surpass his last year of arb salary (which is generally rated at 80% of market value). Im thinking that Holliday will sign for 6/125. With either the Yankees or the Angles ending up with his services.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine, he can do that
But it also means that the A’s get draft picks after offering arbitration. Meaning the talking heads are squawking over nothing and Beane has plenty o’ leverage in trade discussions.
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by grover on Jun 17, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Squawking over nothing
Definitely. The whole Holliday situation is a complete non-problem.
If Beane gets a good offer, he can trade him. If he doesn’t get a good offer, he can keep him. Either way it’s fine.
If Holliday is still here at the end of the year, Beane can offer him arbitration. If Holliday declines (as I think most of us believe he would), that’s fine; we get the draft picks. If Holliday accepts, that’s fine too, because we end up with a one-year contract for a very good player at a price which may be high but is still a bargain for his value.
I don’t think Beane is necessarily aiming to sign Holliday for another year, but if he does get him, he can easily shift his plans and work with that. Besides, even if Holliday does accept arbitration, we can still trade his new contract after that, right?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jun 17, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, i think part of it is
ESPN assume that because the A’s are a small market, low spending club, they have absolutely no money, which is clearly not the case. Especially if it’s for a year long contract, and especially given the number of players going to be making league minimum next year.
Just another name to throw into the pot – the Giants are almost certainly going to make a run for him next year, I would have thought?
by bobnothing on Jun 17, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are actually my worry
They could very well be Holliday suitors who have a protected first round pick and supplemental 1rst and a extra 2nd rounder isn’t very appealing.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hm, doesn't that mean they'll have to have a top 15 pick?
Am I right there?
They look like they’re going to end up around .500 this year, so like, that would have given them ~14th pick this year…
Yeah. Could be close. But they’ll surely be interested
by bobnothing on Jun 17, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we overrate draft picks.
especially draft picks from the teams that sign our free agents. It seems very rare that you get the draft pick from a team that did terrible. you normally get the draft pick from a team that has money, which is usually a team that does okay at worst (around .500) so you basically get a mid first round pick as the best case scenario, and sometimes end up getting the other team’s second or worse pick.
Now, if I thought Holliday was going to be signed by the Washington Nationals or Pittsburgh Pirates, I’d be really excited about getting their draft picks.
Generally speaking, I think we get better value in return by making a trade for prospects at the high A, AA or AAA level when they are more of a known entity.
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by connie mack on Jun 18, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are generally right however
Both the Pirates and the Nationals will have protected picks in the upcoming draft, so instead of getting a mid to late first round pick and a supplemental, we would recieve a supplemental and an early second round pick… which is their first unprotected pick.
Generally you do get a better prospect if you know how they will react to pro ball. However, just looking at the last draft you can see there is some serious MLB talent (Scheppers, Brothers, Paxton) in the supplemental.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 18, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will say it again as i have everytime this issue has come up...
he will not accept arbitration if offered to him.
abreu is not a good comp as abreu sucked and was in decline.
my take is that the a’s will offer arbitration, he will not take it and he will sign (at minimum) at $75 million deal elsewhere.
by inbillywetrust on Jun 17, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, I agree with this.
I was just addressing the “Holliday might accept arbitration so the A’s should trade him ASAP” rumors that the media has circulated.
It’s fully ridiculous.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two draft pick > what we could trade him for right now
The idea that Holliday accepts arb – (1) is crazy (2) isn’t a bad thing for us if he does it.
Agreeance all around, guys.
by cityplANner on Jun 17, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree I think that we could get better than 2 draft picks
but the rest you are dead spot on.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Holliday is worth quite a bit in trade
He’s still the best non-pitcher available on the trade market at the deadline. And unless Oswalt or Lee is available, he’s the best player as well.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also think that the trade rumors of Holliday's demise are way overblown.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, mainstream sports writers are morons
While they participate in the Jason Bay lovefest, of course.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, generally morons.
All of them aren’t, obviously, but a large moron population makes the profession look bad.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a moron!
where do I apply?
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by travdog6 on Jun 17, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
why they get access I have no idea. The Bay love fest I don’t mind as much. He is hitting the cover off of the ball; the problem is his defense is absolutely terrible.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
As for #1 I hate to say it but Beane will not get rid of Geren. The excuse will be injuries again.
#2 Holliday is only traded if a hot prospect is attached. The A’s will offer him arbitration unless he blows out a knee or shoulder and is a injury risk. *Note to the Boras is the agent who never accepts arbitration.
#3 Chavez is done so i won’t even get hy hopes up
#4 Bonds will not come back because of testing.
Added #5 The good news is the A’s will have many high price contracts off the books next year in cabrera, Hlliday, Crosby, Duke, and springer. Right there over 30 million so bringing in a couple free agnets like DeRosa or a SS should make the A’s better.
by Arcman on Jun 17, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that is not true
Boras was Maddux’s agent when Maddux totally fucked the Braves budget by accepting arbitration out of the blue.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa's peaking now...
…next year might be too late
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#5 - Speaking of Duke ...
What are the odds he can come back, make 5-6 quality starts, and fetch anything of value, perhaps even in a package. If not, what are we looking at in terms of draft choice compensation, and how would our decision for him to start/relieve affect the compensation?
Also, I’d be totally fine with Duke starting the rest of the way, going with a six-man rotation and preserving the arms of our youngsters, who are yet to pitch so many innings. With that said, our pen sure could use a reliable arm.
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by RyanFromBonas on Jun 17, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, the words "reliable" and "Justin Duschcherer" should never be used in the same sentence...
but I think Duke will come back as a reliever this year, if he does at all. He’s currently classified as a Type B free agent (according to MLB trade rumors), so if the A’s offer him arby after the season and he declines and signs elsewhere, I think they’ll get a sandwich pick for him. I think if he can get back on the field sometimes in July and show something close to the talent that made him a top setup guy, they should offer him arbitration. Being a Type B might actually increase his suitors this off-season, giving the team a better chance of nabbing an extra pick.
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by Taj Adib on Jun 17, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the negativity on this forum lately has been a bit overwhelming.
This team lost it’s ace and closer in the spring, both their third baseman early in the season, their second baseman, their CF, and their fourth OF/part-time RF. Now every fourth comment I read is about how Cabrera, Hannahan, and Davis are terrible, and ruining the team.
Davis is a 5th outfielder. He is on the team to pinch run in the late innings, potentially steal a base, and replace the weakest OF after he pitch runs.
Hannahan is a AAA 3B, which is where he started, until injuries caused a need. He has a great glove, and use to work the count well, but is light with the bat.
Cabrera, well, what can you say, he is having the worst year of his career. Who would have predicted it? What other options do we have (don’t say Crosby)? ML SSs are not easily available this time of year, and it is probable Cabrera would outplay anyone we bring in anyway.
No team plans on the multitude of injuries the A’s have had, so bashing your SS, 5th OF and AAA 3B, or GM and Manager because those three are playing gets old quick.
by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Jun 17, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Needing to rely on Cabrera, Hannahan, and Davis is ruining the team
Given the multitude of injuries over the last THREE YEARS, how poorly the team has played this year, and how little excitement the offense generates, I don’t see this forum as having been overly negative so much as justifiably frustrated.
Especially in light of the fact that the A’s publicly set out to build a team with more offense to back their young pitchers, but are hitting .237 as a team with no power or speed. Who wouldn’t be profoundly disappointed?
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is there are no characters on the team. In the early 2000's we had Tejada and he brought energy to the team and the game.
Then we had Swisher and he excited everything and everyone around him. Now we have Giambi who never smiles, Holliday, who smiles less and a bunch of kids who don’t know how to have fun in the Majors.
Hire Robin Williams as the Manager and the A’s will go to the WS and win this year.
I would also suggest hiring someone like Selma Hayek as the bench coach or even 3B coach.. everyone will want to get hits to get to 3B.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jun 17, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robin Williams, huh?
Alladin in the Outfield.
by cityplANner on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
^5 you've got it. The blue guy can make things happen
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jun 17, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
I always thought it would be a good idea for the bench coach to be the person who makes the lineups and chooses pinch hitters and subs, while the pitching coach makes the rotation and handles pitching changes, while a third coach, the “Manager,” glad handles the press, soothes and motivates the players, and serves as the central energy force for the ballclub.
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting to third base with Selma Hayek
That could get me to smile.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real question:
Is she Mexican enough?
by cityplANner on Jun 17, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She is definately enough of everything.. and more...
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by Eastbayjim on Jun 17, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it a law that if you make a movie about Mexico
you have to have one of Antonio Banderas or Selma Hayek?
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selma would prevent runners from scoring
They would all stop at third to admire the coach.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They all be sliding head first into 3B
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jun 17, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have Dallas Braden, who has pulled some almighty pranks on his teammates and is generally just a funny/weird dude. Giambi’s worth a quote or 4 too.
by PL78 on Jun 18, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Braden's the "leader" of the team.
and staff ace.
The A’s just don’t have leadership from the manager spot.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 18, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frustration is different that “Hannahan and Davis suck!” No one is arguing they are great players, but whose fault is it, they are playing (I know, many have already said Management)? Bad years and injuries are tough to predict.
by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True - who knew Chavez and Duchscherer would be injured or that
Giambi and Cabrera were past their prime?
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean. .besides everyone?
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by Eastbayjim on Jun 17, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well obviously you have to exclude everyone.
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM- tag team
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez’s contract is not movable, and signing Duchscherer with his relatively low price and Ace potential was a good move.
by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Jun 17, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giambi and Cabrera past their prime were also upgrades over Barton and Crosby.
by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Jun 17, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't bothered by either signing, because the prices were right
I was, however, bothered by the lack of attention to 3B and CF.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really? I don't seem to recall you saying that relying on Sweeney was a mistake
and I seem to remember you being high on the Nomar acquisition. Is that not accurate?
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Yes, that is not accurate
I’ve been a long-time proponent of NOT believing in Sweeney as anything special in CF and have long said his bat won’t play in RF. I like Nomar, and was all for getting a RH hitter, but he was never going to be an integral part of the team, just a nice role player for the price.
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
Because you write so many comments, stories, and fanposts its hard to use the search function to track down what you have said.
Bearish: Ryan Sweeney. Not because he’s bad but because expectations are high and I’m not convinced Sweeney will meet them, at least in 2010. I really think he’s a very average defender in CF and I don’t see him having the foot-speed to get substantially better. As an average defender, he needs to do more than slap a lot of singles and that’s what I expect from Sweeney: A solid batting average and lots of talk about how he’ll hit for power someday that isn’t today. And that will constitute a disappointment, if not a surprise.
That is from spring training and doesn’t seem to indicate a disappointment that we didn’t get anyone else for center field but rather expecting Sweeney to be adequate without showing the power that he did in ST.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think part of it is word inflation
these days, ‘very average’ does not mean, ‘median’, or league average, but apparenly means ‘below average’, or ‘bad’.
see also, mediocre.
as someone who is determinedly middle of the pack, it does annoy me a little
by bobnothing on Jun 17, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
The way I like to think of it corresponds with the standard 20-80 scout scale.
Plus Plus 70+
Plus 65
Above Average 60
Solid Average 50
Fringe Average 45 and 40
Below Average less than 40
but that is just me I guess.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse.
You could root for the Mariners organization.
by Thefirstletterofthealphabet on Jun 17, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I can’t wait to see their starting rotation in 2 years or so. Even next year. With Aumont and Morrow being jerked around starting and relieving.
And their farm system, even with Ackley and the new draft crop, isn’t that strong.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of attention, or lack of options?
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by travdog6 on Jun 17, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
I’m guilty here of negativity. But by the same token, there comes a time when “bad luck” simply doesn’t fly anymore. A team that continuously has bad luck is not unlucky, it’s just bad. Cabrera is just the latest in a long line of ostensible stars who have come to Oakland, only to under perform. Moreover, this is now the third straight season, all under Geren’s tenure, that injuries have derailed the ball club. This is a business where results matter, and when results aren’t produced, changes have to be made. I think some large scale negativity is warranted, although I appreciate your perspective.
Call it the Suzuki Theory: "Throw ball over plate. Repeat."
by smokelanda on Jun 17, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the measured support of the frustration.
I also see things in the “results” frame of mind. Look, I know Geren and the rest of the coaching staff haven’t been playing with a totally full deck since they took over things a couple years ago. But what I see now is that ever since this current regime has been in charge, every single offensive player (with the possible exception of Suzuki) has gotten worse with the bat…look at the A’s offense in 2007. Buck OPSed .850 as a rookie that season, Barton tore the cover off the ball in September of that year, Hannahn OPSed over .800 that year, Cust OPSed over .900 that season…Sweeney was a .280 hitter with a .350 OBP last season…Ellis was Albert Pujols in 2005…
ALL of those guys have since fallen precipitously in terms of production in the last year, and for the most part, it hasn’t been due to injuries. How can you watch that lack of upkeep of skills or production and not at least blame the coaching staff a bit? I mean, I know they hold little sway about how batters are going to react each at-bat, but for God’s sake take some pride in your coaching and help these guys get back to where they were before at least…
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by Taj Adib on Jun 17, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Look, I know Geren and the rest of the coaching staff haven’t been playing with a totally full deck"
That’s for damn sure.
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mr taj...you know more about this than i do, but i'm sick of reading about buck's 850 ops...
he had unusually good year against lefties that he has not replicated on a sustained basis, so his stats have dropped dramatically. the 850 ops appears to me to be a fluke
by inbillywetrust on Jun 17, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't gotten regular playing time since then though
He plays a couple weeks, then gets the bench or AAA, then gets called back up or something. He got the shaft last year in favor of Emil freaking Brown.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm saying if you look at his whole career in the minors and majors...he's never done it before...that seems the fluke
by inbillywetrust on Jun 17, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree with you there.
You can’t expect 2007 offensive numbers, but when you factor in his defense (which is extremely good - I want to see him try CF), he can put up a .750 OPS and still be an above average player. And that’s a pretty reasonable expectation for him offensively.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing that Buck is a true .850 OPS hitter.
I’m arguing that he’s NOT a <.700 OPS one either. He’s been handled pretty poorly this entire year, especially considering that he had a very encouraging end to his nightmarish 2008 season and still young enough to develop into a solid hitter.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Jun 17, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know you're not...you're arguing that he should be managed and coach to reach his potential...my question is what is his real potential given his results in the minors and majors?
by inbillywetrust on Jun 17, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, we don't really know.
Like you pointed out, his fluky 2007 season might be the peak of his potential, but he hasn’t been healthy enough or given enough of an extended chance to prove what an “average” Travis Buck year might actually look like.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Jun 17, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess that's kinda my point. nobody knows what this guy is so we latch on to his long hair, seeming personality and his fluky season.
i think he’s an average at best offensive and defensive player, which i will gladly take over the rest of our team. sadly.
by inbillywetrust on Jun 17, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Buck's upside>Sweeney's upside
discounting injuries, I see Buck progressing to be a slightly above average starting outfielder. but the injuries are clearly a major question mark, and I think the A’s given their financial situation, need to build a base of healthy players.
Sweeney has been relatively healthy, but seems to me to be more of a solid 4th outfielder for a good club. capable of playing left, right and center. some power, okay speed and arm, capable of pinch hitting and pinch running.
Maybe in a couple more years developing to the point he is a starting LF.
despite upsides, I would trade Buck for Sweeney straight up.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Jun 18, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
When players are dropping from past performance, that should be the prime indicator. And, everyone expected Giambi to decline, but nobody expected him to fall off the cliff like he has.
Although, there really really isn’t a sure way to tell.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem, to me, is that it was reasonable to expect Giambi
to hit more like .240/.350 with 20-25 HRs, but he was still going to be a low average hitter, as is Cust, as is almost everyone on the team.
BA may not be among the most important stats, but if you have a team whose OBP is too walk dependent and not BA heavy at all, and to compound it you don’t have rabbits who can turn walks into doubles, you’re in trouble.
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with this.
The A’s were constructed to be way too station to station.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with beane as gm, haven't they always been station to station?
by inbillywetrust on Jun 17, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
I just like the Angels’ construction better – sure if I were an Angels fan I’d want my team to walk more and not run into so many outs, but on balance their approach works well because they have a true leadoff hitter (Figgins), multiple guys who can run, and several guys who can hit close to .300 and send each other 1st to 3rd and 2nd to home.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels are fun to watch
if you ignore the laundry…
As for our club… We’re getting the band back together…. and opening for Quiet Riot at the County Fair!
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 17, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point
To me this type of reasoning could provide a more objective basis for evaluating managers. Although I don’t think we could be 100% certain that a coach or a manager is hurting his team, it seems like we should at least be able to know if it’s a plausible possibility. That is, a coach who is in charge of players who markedly decline in talent is plausibly a worse coach than one who is in charge of players who do not decline or improve, allowing for normal variation in performance over time.
Call it the Suzuki Theory: "Throw ball over plate. Repeat."
by smokelanda on Jun 17, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a great post.
1— I’m rather impressed with what Curt Young has done, especially with how green the staff was. Yes, Anderson has struggled a lot and belongs in AAA, but that’s expected when these guys had very little experience over A-ball. Outman was a reliever in the Phillies’ system and the transition back to SP went smoothly. Not sure how much of the success is attributed to Young, but I’m digging the pitching staff.
Braden is an ace, pure and simple. 11th among AL SP in FIP and he goes deep into games. Outperforming guys like Lester, Danks, and the entire 200MM++ Yankees rotation (yes, it brings me satisfaction to say that).
However, on the hitting coaches, there’s a problem. When half your lineup is underperforming (the half that actually belongs there), there is a problem. Cust, Holliday, Giambi, Buck (when he gets playing time), and Sweeney.
Let’s not get started on Geren. Fire him now. Replace him with Stomper, for all I care.
2— Yeah, Holliday accepting arb would be best case scenario for the A’s. Although I’m not holding my breath here. And, on the draft picks, some noncontender could sign him (like the Giants and Zito).
Or the A’s go on some epic surge, which is perfectly possible with the sheer amount of upside this team has.
3—Agreed fully. Chavez needs to retire.
4— PLEASE BILLY, GET IT DONE. I WANT BONDS.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is there any evidence (or what is the evidence) that hitting coaches add or subtract value?
by inbillywetrust on Jun 17, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only evidence I see is that Skaalen is well regarded
Adam Kennedy sure had glowing things to say soon after arriving. The A’s ought to figure out who they think is good and then try keeping a hitting coach for a few years.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. I'm on the fence.
I’m just theorizing. If the coaches have a noted impact on the performance, what is the value.
If there is value to the A’s hitting coaches, it is negative. If there is value to the A’s pitching coaches, it is positive.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or without Skaalen this group of talentless hacks would be hitting a collective .197
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by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could also be the case, yes.
There’s no real way to know.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an interesting question.
I’m not sure how you could quantify the value of, say, a hitting coach. Seems like said coach would have to be judged based on the track record of his players, compared to the track record of his players before (and after, although that’s more problematic since the coach could affect later performance) he was their coach. If we could assume all other factors were held constant (e.g., park effects, player’s level of prior development – this is no easy hurdle), it seems like it’d be possible to quantify how much a coach helps his players. Is anyone aware of a stat like this? Undoubtedly, some coaches would help some players more than others, so I think the trick would be in finding out what types of coaches (e.g., rookie vs. experienced managers) work well with what types of players (e.g., rookie vs. experienced players).
Call it the Suzuki Theory: "Throw ball over plate. Repeat."
by smokelanda on Jun 17, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On pitching and hitting coaches
I really like Young as a pitching coach (I also liked him as a player so I’m probably biased in his favor), but you need to remember that the Coliseum has consistently been one of the two worst hitter’s parks in the AL for the last 5 years. In the early years of the decade, for some reason, it was middle of the pack, and then before that, in the 1990s and before, it was one of the worst, as well.
It’s not the Astrodome or anything, but the Coliseum is a great place to pitch and a terrible place to hit. The A’s develop pitchers; the Rangers develop hitters. A lot of that has to do with park context.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jun 17, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw Bonds, never liked him...never will. He will always be a Giant. The money he would bring in would be good, but I just dont like him.
by Carter27 on Jun 17, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Bonds available?
Wait what happened, did we travel back in time or something, why are we still talking about him
by pbra17 on Jun 17, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Team needs more grit.
There, I said it.
I think [the A's announcers] just speak in code.. "A tough outing again for Brett Anderson" means "Has anyone checked with his 2nd grade teacher to see if maybe he’s actually right-handed?" --Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 17, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My sediments exactly.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes the most direct route between two points
goes right through the mud puddle.
I think [the A's announcers] just speak in code.. "A tough outing again for Brett Anderson" means "Has anyone checked with his 2nd grade teacher to see if maybe he’s actually right-handed?" --Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jun 17, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ISWYDT
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
by muffinpryde on Jun 17, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marco Scutaro, who just made a nifty play at SS,
has been charged with one error all season while batting .291/.390/.429. Aaaaaarrrrgh! He’s even precisely the kind of player the A’s usually appreciate more than other teams do!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a free agent at the end of the year....
Call it the Suzuki Theory: "Throw ball over plate. Repeat."
by smokelanda on Jun 17, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he over the hill yet?!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 17, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think Hill is a little bit over him, actually

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Jun 17, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds

I didn’t realize he was anywhere close to breaking one of Rickey’s records. All the more reason to leave him in retirement and never give him the chance.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jun 17, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS!!!!!
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on Jun 17, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez
I don’t understand the fascination with the idea Chavez might “agree to retire”. There’s no reason for him to do so, and it’s completely unnecessary to the scenario you (Taj) lay out.
Far more likely is that either Chavez, the team, or both has an insurance policy that only kicks in if he is medically unable to play. Just as with any normal workers’ comp claim, the insurance company isn’t going to pay up just because you say “I’m fragile and my job is dangerous, so I don’t want to work any more.” But if you get a doctor’s note saying you’re done and you can’t work anymore, then they pay up.
I think that’s what’s going on here. A few weeks ago, Eric said that if he gets one more surgery his career is probably over. So now he’s getting the one more surgery and his career is probably over. If there’s a miracle and it’s not, well, then he’ll have to try playing some more. But more likely he’s truly done, and if he’s truly done there’s no need for him to “agree to retire”.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Jun 17, 2009 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Chavez shouldn't retire, and no-one should exect him to do so
or be angry when he doesn’t.
lemme turn this round – if your employer wanted you to quit so they could stop paying you, would you do it, or would you decide that your family is the priority?
by bobnothing on Jun 17, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100%
Chavez agreed to sign at a below market rate in return for the security of a long term contract in Oakland. Things haven’t turned out as we would like but Chavez deserves to keep all of the money promised to him because that was the agreement. If Chavez had performed as a gold glove 900 OPS 3B would the A’s have handed Chavez extra money at the end because they saved money on the contract? Chavez and the A’s rolled the dice and unfortunately Chavez has broken down, but on no account should he be forced to retire to save the A’s money or be made to feel that he has stolen that money from the A’s.
by DeJay on Jun 18, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on how many millions of dollars I already had in the bank
Chayy is gonna get paid no matter what happens.
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
by mrod on Jun 17, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked Macha
I always thought if he was my coach I would definately liisten to him, he’s got a tae kwan do black belt afterall. Geren deserves more time, I do not believe Jedi Master Yoda could turn this team into winners. I know Beane is considered some kind of God around here, but I’m just not seeing it anymore. I could list the reasons but what would be the point. Did you really think this team had a chance when it was assembled because I did not? We should at least try to keep Holliday unless we got offered some serious talent for him, offer him the Giants for Baumgarter and Sanchez. Matt has absolutely no protection and he’s pressing, pitchers just don’t respect Cust and Giambi, but Matt will still have a big year when its over. Ethier behind Holliday would have been nice but we traded him. I can hear everybody saying “Milton Bradley helped us reach the ALCS.”. Now did we really believe Bradley was going to be the acquistion that put us over the top and lead us to the Series? Who ever thought that should have their head examined. It was Beane by the way.
by Boss Playa on Jun 19, 2009 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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