Implications of the Draft
Taking a page out of last year's draft's book, the A's took several talented players in the later rounds and went over the recommended slot bonus to sign them. That's why we have Brett Hunter, Rashun Dixon, and Dusty Coleman in the system right now.
This year, as many of you know, the A's did the same thing. The A's will almost certainly have to go above the recommended bonus to sign Green, a Boras client, who is rumored to be asking for $4MM. Since the A's shortstop cupboard is all but bare, save for Coleman in Kane County, the A's would be foolish not to sign a talent like Green.
What the A's did after the first round was a bit surprising though. The A's took Max Stassi, widely considered a first round talent that fell due to signability concerns, in the fourth round. The figure floating around that Stassi needs to break his commitment to UCLA is $1.5MM. It's certainly doable, because the A's were rumored to be interested Donovan Tate, whose price tag was reportedly $6MM, though the A's may not have been interested in him at that price.
Anyways, the A's also drafted pricy, talented players in Ian Krol, a high school pitcher from Illinois, and Sam Dyson, a huge talent that may be a tough sign for a couple of reasons. First is that he is only a junior and he has an extensive injury history; a healthy senior year puts him another year away from arm problems. Also, he was inconsistent last year; if he went back to school next year and was consistently good, his stock would skyrocket. There are fantastic writeups about Green, Stassi and Dyson here on AN, and I recommend you check them out.
What does this mean, though?
The A's were rumored to be a suitor for prized Dominican shortstop, Miguel Angel Sano, widely considered the best prospect that will become available on July 2, the day international prospects that are 16 years old become signable. In early reports, Sano was reported to be worth something in the $2.5MM-$3MM range, but Pittsburgh, the main suitor for Sano, may be considering going into the Ynoa-range to sign him, throwing upwards of $4MM at him.
The A's signed Ynoa and paid lots of overslot money last year, right? Well, Jemile Weeks signed for just under $2MM, the suggested bonus for that slot, not $4MM. And a bidding war with Pittsburgh, who would made to look foolish if somebody else signs Sano, would be costly and pointless.
In my opinion, the talented draft class all but takes Oakland out of the Sano sweepstakes. All is not lost, though, because the A's are one of the prime suitors for Jean Carlos Batista, a shortstop prospect that will likely sign for somewhere around $1MM when the international signing day rolls around. Apparently, he already has several offers over $500,000. The A's will be competing with Dodgers, Rangers, Indians and Yankees over him.
Kiley McDaniel over at Baseball Prospectus did a fantastic writeup about him. Batista is switch-hitting, projectable kid who is 6'1", 170 right now. His smooth swing has been compared to Carlos Beltran's. His defense is advanced and solid, possibly making him even more desirable to Sano, who, if he grows any larger, will likely have to move to a corner infield or even an outfield position.
Overall, I'm extremely excited about this years draft class. It turned out much better than I expected it to. Of course, it's only that good if the players sign, which I expect most of them to do. The A's will have to do so in order to compete with the Rangers down the road.
A future of the A's and Rangers battling for supremacy of the AL West and maybe even the AL appears more and more likely. With the two best minor league systems, they both had good drafts, with Texas getting Matt Purke, one of the best high school pitchers available, and Scheppers, Mendonca and Erlin (a NorCal HS kid) after that. The rich are getting richer.
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I graded the draft a B+
I wasn’t high on our first or third round picks. I wanted Scheppers, but Green was an acceptable value pick though I have a gut feeling that he will bust, which i hope is wrong. The Marks pick is very meh. He wasn’t really an overdraft but there was a bunch of talent that I prefered at that spot.
That being said the A’s cleaned up on day 2. Im really excited about Stassi and Krol. Dyson and Krol will be tough signs though. One would think especially on the Krol pick, considering that he got booted from his high school baseball team for disciplinary issues involving a car and alcohol, the A’s did their homework and know what his figure is.
Hopefully this video of Krol works
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the Marks pick
He’s not going to be an ace, but he does know how to pitch. He reminds me of the Anthony Capra pick from last year – actually, they’re stats are very similar. He should be solid. Sickels was actually relatively high on him, saying he’s got good “pitchability.” I really hope Krol signs.
by NateHST on Jun 11, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im on record not liking the Capra pick from last year either.
Glad to see sickels likes him. That is high praise.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post
Helpful summary of the draft for me.
by samljm on Jun 11, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
B+
They did quite well with what they were given. However, signability issues knock down the grade a hair for me. Plus, the sheer fact that we a) didn’t have a lot of picks in the upper rounds and b) didn’t have one of the top five picks means that no matter what, Beane couldn’t have selected the best overall players with the least concerns. But I’m excited about this draft class, and I’m hoping we can at least sign Green and Stassi.
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by DyeLongJustice on Jun 11, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah there were only two no worries players elite players this draft.
Ackley and some steven guy i don’t quite remember his last name :-P
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Zonis on Jun 11, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted A-
I like Green a lot and was very happy he fell to us. I don’t know much about Marks other than that he’s got good secondary pitches and seems to know how to pitch and others say that it was a pretty decent pick so I’ll defer to them. What really makes this draft an A-, and not a B+, to me is Day 2. I’m assuming the A’s are fairly confident that they can sign Stassi, Dyson, and Krol or else they wouldn’t have picked them. They already went through the whole Smoak ordeal and came out with egg on their face then so I doubt they want to make a repeat performance.
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by Helloooo 1st on Jun 11, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would add Josh Leyland
Some mock drafts had him with a 2nd rd projection, BA had him #145 overall in their top 200.
Advanced bat, nice plate approach. This 2009 16th round pick sounds similar to a unsigned 2005 16th round pick. A’s will have convince him to pass up on Washington State.
Baseball America:
Surefire high school hitters are a scare commodity in Southern California and throughout the 2009 draft class, and that helps Leyland stand out. A 6-foot-3, 225-pounder, he may be the most mature and fundamentally sound high school hitter in the state. In an early season game, one coach told his team of Leyland: “These guys have an Adam Dunn over there.” Two homers later the same coach lamented, “I shouldn’t have pitched to him.” Leyland has average to above-average raw power, which has been on display at showcases nationwide. He has done more in those events than hammer the ball in BP, also showing his power in game action. Few high schoolers are as advanced fundamentally as Leyland. His stance is well balanced, and his swing is short to the ball and long afterward. Leyland does not run well, so first base or catcher will be his future defensive home. While not a polished catcher, his hands work decently at that spot. His arm is acceptable, though he’ll need work on his catch and throw technique. Whatever position he plays, Leyland’s bat will always be his trump card. Few high school hitters can match his blend of raw power and technical precision.
by Asfan4ever723 on Jun 11, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wowed by his swing in the scouting video
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by mikeA on Jun 11, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake Crosby
Drafting a Crosby brother drops this draft down to a B+ … another 6 years of the Crosby Curse.
by Colorado Fan on Jun 11, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a foam peanut, drafted as a favor...
Then again, Mike Piazza was a foam peanut, drafted as a favor…
Flip flopping, so was Billy Crystal.
"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 12, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Crosby is out of here in a few months.
Silly favour really.
by OldhamA on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the Sano component
I don’t think Pit will go to the Ynoa level. From Dejan Kovacevic
Do not expect the Pirates to shatter Major League Baseball’s record bonus to sign elite Dominican prospect Miguel Angel Sano.
The team remains intensely interested in Sano, a 16-year-old shortstop/outfielder, and the same is known to be true in the reverse, as Sano, his family and agent Rob Plummer have forged a tight relationship with Latin American scouting director Rene Gayo. But there were strong indications from the team’s front office yesterday that the $4.25 million bonus Oakland gave to Dominican pitcher Michael Inoa will not be the bar for an offer to Sano.
Rather, the Pirates plan to place a value on Sano as they do all players, by talent level — which the team views as special — and by the market. The Dominican market for 16-year-olds, as they see it, remains below the outlier bonus the Athletics gave Inoa, as the previous range for elite prospects had been mostly between $2 million and $3 million.
Regardless, I think the A’s were largely out of the race for him before the draft. Additionally, international budgets and draft budgets in most front offices aren’t fungible, and I believe that Billy has mentioned MLB salaries do not affect draft budget.
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by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going B+ right now
Basically, any grade has to be written in pencil at this point because we don’t know how many of these guys are going to actually be signed, but at this point the draft looks pretty good.
The A’s we’re drafting from behind as they only had two first-day picks which is where most of the talent is found. Green and Marks were solid picks who definitely add something to the system. The second day is obviously where things picked up as the A’s did a very good job of mixing signability guys, solid college guys. There is a pretty good mix of tools and production between the different picks which will fill out the lower levels of the system.
At this point I’m basing my grade on the assumption that the A’s can get Green, Stassi, and Krol signed while Dyson and Leyland end up on a college campus this fall.
by DiegoAsFan on Jun 11, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree with your overall assessment. I strongly believe that the A’s will have no major issues signing Green and Stassi. They obviously were well aware of the bonus demands of both before drafting them and the team would not have used 2 of their top 3 overall picks without being nearly certain they could sign both, especially in a year when they had no comp picks or a 2nd rounder. I could definitely see negotiations extending for a while with both due to the Boras (Green) and family (Stassi) factors, but both deals will get done.
I don’t know much about the Krol situation, but I have a feeling that the A’s have established a nice relationship with the kid’s delegation. Obviously, a lot of teams were scared off by his off-field issues, but the A’s used a fairly high pick on him, which should indicate that their interest is sincere and as long as his demands are relatively modest, I think that deal can get done too.
Dyson seems like a carbon copy of Brett Hunter last season: big time arm, but inconsistent college performer that wants a lot of cash but will have to compromise a bit to become a professional this year. Time will tell if the parties can hammer that one out. Leyland just seems like the prime example of a guy who has tons of raw talent and would really benefit from some college refinement. I anticipate we’ll see him taken in one of the top 5 rounds of the 2011 draft.
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by Taj Adib on Jun 11, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power Rangers
I’ve not seen any of the Rangers draft outside the first couple of picks, but there’s got to be genuine concern about their ability to sign players for any sort of money, this year and going forward. Hicks is up to his neck in it with Liverpool, and unless he can find a buyer there, this could easily spill over.
I’m fairly conflicted
by bobnothing on Jun 11, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How much control do EPL owners have over club finances?
Could Hicks sell a star player to some Bundesliga club and then use that money for the Rangers?
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by Nick on Jun 11, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His head would roll if he tried
Real Madrid has been making noise about getting Xavi Alonso, but it won’t be a mega-deal and if it did happen, the liquefying ice beneath him would vanish. Liverpool have one of the best teams in the world and rabid fan support (think Pittsburgh Steelers x10, with massive international support.)
I think that Hicks was able to roll over his $350 (or is that 350 Pounds?) loan for the short term, but he’s in deep doo-doo with Liverpool. Apparently, he and his co-owner promised the Liverpool community that it was their money, but it turns out that they borrowed a lot to buy the team and the team is on the hook for their loans. Liverpool was supposed to get a shiny new stadium (bringing Hicks in was going to be key to making this happen), which would allow them to more readily compete financially with Man U. and others.
Liverpool fans have been raining abuse on Hicks for months, especially when he toyed with firing Manager Rafa Benitez. That was before the latest financial mess has been unveiled. There’s some talk that Hicks will be forced to sell some of the interest in the Rangers or his other team (Dallas Stars?). At any rate, Liverpool is a much, much bigger deal than his two Texas teams.
Another ambitious Texan whose international gamble at greatness is crashing down around him.
by DiegoSegui on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not even sure it is legal and even if it is Gillett would not allow him to damage Liverpool and his investment to move money to the Rangers. Both of them are pretty much despised already by Liverpool fans because of the financial mess they have put us in and as you say their heads would roll of they tried anything like this. To be honest I was quite surprised the Rangers were given the green light to draft Purke and Scheppers when Hicks made a loss of £42m last year with Liverpool thanks to £36m in interest payments and they were questions about them being able to refinance their £350m (that is pounds!) loan. It just seemed like a questionable decision to commit $10m+ on two amateur players with the question marks that come with Purke and Scheppers.
by DeJay on Jun 12, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god you're not a Liverpool fan are you?
by OldhamA on Jun 12, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too!
and man, do i hate hicks and gilette. i had dreams of david silva dancing through my head.
by Elston Gunn on Jun 12, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Silva and Tevez were top of my shopping list.
Looks like we will miss out on both unfortunately
by DeJay on Jun 13, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't that into tevez
i was afraid he’d force stevie back into deep midfield or the right like keane did and mess up the best striking partnership in the world. but silva makes me salivate—he’d be a great back up for stevie and a big upgrade on the left or right. i’d also like to see a right back (glen johnson? probably not now), a lower-level striker, and would have loved barry because he can do so much. i also like the idea of bringing distin in for cheap to replace hyypia/cover in case agger leaves.
by Elston Gunn on Jun 13, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I just think we need another world class striker, especially considering the amount of time Torres missed this season. Ngog is not really an ideal back up. The fact that Torres and Gerrard only played together a dozen times last year is telling (I think we were unbeaten when they both started). Johnson would be a good addition but is likely to cost £12m. Disten would be a good signing for £2m. I would have liked Barry, especially at a cut price, but didn’t want to lose Alonso as well.
by DeJay on Jun 13, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear you
but i think we learned with keane that having another top-price striker means either someone’s going to be very upset or that we won’t be putting our talent to its best use when everyone’s healthy, and that the second one is more likely. i don’t think ngog is good enough either, but i’d rather have someone like javier saviola than someone who won’t be happy as a squad player/substitute.
by Elston Gunn on Jun 13, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory, yes. The owners of football teams can pretty do much what they
please in terms of finances. That said, as DS’s post points out he’d be crucified if he did.
by OldhamA on Jun 12, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like literally
meaning, i’d fly down to texas with a couple two by fours and some big nails
by Elston Gunn on Jun 12, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What impact do club board have any more?
Was it the Manchester United board that actually organized a few years ago over one of the sales?
The whole structure of professional team sports is so different in the US — the EPL is probably more similar to the Big Ten (with the FA as the NCAA) than it is like the major leagues.
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by Nick on Jun 12, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His smooth swing has been compared to Carlos Beltran’s.
Man, is every Latin hitting prospect that has promise compared to Carlos Beltran? It seems like it.
Never, Never, NEVER give up
by hero66 on Jun 11, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This post has been compared to Blez.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Jun 11, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear he's kind of a Latin version of Carlos Beltran.
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by Nico on Jun 11, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM contender (tag team division)
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 12, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Mexican enough.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Jun 12, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it can go Dutch.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Jun 13, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double dutch?
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by Blicks on Jun 13, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So this guy and Carlos Gonzalez. Who else?
by OldhamA on Jun 12, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were Carlos Gomez/Carlos Beltran comparisons back in the day
At least some I’ve heard.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jun 13, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was once compared to Carlos Beltran.
Favorably, too, I might add.
Of course, it was an ability to eat cheeseburgers.
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by Leopold Bloom on Jun 14, 2009 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well i screwed that up
You get the point, though
Never, Never, NEVER give up
by hero66 on Jun 11, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A-
i was happy about this draft. could of bin worst
by Tambo45 on Jun 12, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BP's Kevin Goldstein on A's draft
Baseball Prospectus’ minor league and draft expert Kevin Goldstein. Here are a few tid bits from the interview:
I think [Grant Green] is a great pick at 13…I’m guessing [his signing] will be north of $3 million.
[Max Stassi wanted] somewhere between $1.5 and $2 million..probably on the higher side of that range. Stassi is a guy who was honestly and truly a good pick at 13, so they got the two guys that they wanted and if they can get them both for somewhere around $5 million, that is a pretty nice thing to do, to turn a first and a fourth into two guys that you wanted in the first.
[Ian Kroll] got kicked of his high school team. But you are talking about a guy who came into the year as the best prospect in the state.
[Sam Dyson] is a really interesting guy. He has, on a pure arm strength level, he’s right there. [The A’s will watch his] progress this summer to determine how aggressive they are going to be with an offer to him
I am a big Myrio Richard [A’s ninth round pick] fan, a) because I am a big fan of his brother, and b) because I am a big fan of that college program at Prairie View where they play a pretty fascinating brand of baseball. But he is a very different player than his brother. He is a bigger, slower, more powerful hitter. He is a damn good athlete. He was the player of the year in the SWAC.
Josh Leyland is a very interesting guy. Very, very tough sign. I think it is a flier at best in terms of whether they will be able to get him. He will probably be going to school [Washington State], but he is just a huge, huge kid with just a truckload of power.
I think it is a strong draft. I think they did a good job. I do think that it all revolves around Green and Stassi. That’s like having two first round picks if they sign them. That’s turning your deficiency of not having a second round pick or any supplemental picks because of free agency stuff and taking advantage of the situation and try to turn that into two first rounders. If they sign Dyson, that would make up for their lack of a second round pick. If they sign these guys, it is a fantastic draft for them. I’m quite sure that Stassi will sign. I don’t think they take him in the fourth round if they didn’t think they could sign him. Dyson is a whole other story.
by BillyWannabeane on Jun 17, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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