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The New Oakland A's: Max Stassi and Sam Dyson

 

Today's rounds of the draft (4-30) held a ton of importance for our favorite team. The A's lacked a 2nd round pick this year and had no supplementals so every pick had more meaning. Who did the A's choose?  I'll focus on the two names that interest me the most.

Coming into today Baseball America had ranked the talent left to be picked.  At the top of the board lay the following 5 talents with BA's corresponding rank in the country: (Spoiler alert: take note of the first two names.)

30. Max Stassi, c, Yuba City (Calif.) HS

38. Sam  Dyson, rhp, South Carolina

41. Zack Von Rosenbuerg, rhp, Zachary (La.) HS

43.  Brody Colvin, rhp, More HS, Lafayette, La.

45. Madison Younginer, rhp, Mauldin (S.C.) HS

 

The A's came into the day with the number 12 pick in the 4th round.  That pick was (you guessed it) Max Stassi.  Stassi is a local high school catcher whose favorite NL team is the Giants and favorite AL team is the A's. He's gotten a full scholarship from UCLA. The question is can the A's convince him to leave it.

The only reason Stassi was available was his price tag.  He fielded calls on the first day from multiple teams (including the Rockies, Tigers, Cardinals and Rangers) asking if slot would sign him.  It wouldn't:

"We have a figure in our head what UCLA is worth," [Jim Stassi, Max's father] said. "And when those clubs called, we said we are not going to make a deal at slot to get it done.

"He would have gone in the (compensation round) if we had settled for slot."

So what is that price? Per Kevin Goldstein:

KG: I hit the phones a bit after they stopped picking, and here's the story there. He wants around $1.5, so now that we're in the fourth round, he's a signability problem. It reminds me a lot of Tim Melville last year.

Melville was drafted in the 4th by the Royals and later signed for 1.25 million dollars.  So, is Stassi worth it and are the A's going to pay up?  The last 5 4th rounders for the A's have been Anthony Capra, Travis Banwart, Chad Lee, Jimmy Shull, and Ryan Webb.  While none of the 5 are great shakes (jury's out on Capra and Banwart if we're feeling generous), all 5 signed.  In those 5 years, the A's have also signed every pick before the 4th round.   The A's don't have a record of drafting people who they don't plan on signing that early.

All well and good but does Stassi have the performance to warrant $1.5 million? According to some sources, most definitely.  His freshman year Stassi hit .580 with 9 HRs.  Sophomore year saw .461 with 5 HRs.  Junior year was .471-15.  Senior year was .593 and 9 HRs through 21 games.  Dude can hit.

Said one scout:

[Stassi is] as close to a sure thing as you will ever find in a high-school player because of his makeup, passion for baseball and ability to hit.

Stassi, the Sacramento Bee Player of the Year last season (with a nomination for the 2009 award), has drawn comparisons to Kendall with more power.  Added another scout:

Oakland would have the steal of the year should Stassi pass on his scholarship to UCLA.

Stassi was a surprise to get in the 4th round but nearly as big a surprise was Sam Dyson in the 10th. 

Dyson is one of those freaks of nature.  The kind of guy who a coach sees kicking a soccer ball around and asks him to join the football team.  Soon after he kicks a 51 yard field goal. He's the kind of kid who can consistently drive a golf ball 300+ yards.

One of Dyson's other gifts is the ability to throw a baseball.  Namely to throw a baseball really really fast.  Dyson possesses a fastball that hits 96 and a slider that hits 86.  He's as Goldstein put it "a big time arm looking for big time cash."

He's also a bionic man: he has had surgeries on both shoulders and his throwing elbow and he has a small dent on his forehead.  Where did that dent come from? Per the article above:

Dyson was just shy of his sixth birthday when the accident happened on a T-ball field in Tampa, Fla. — his mother sitting in the stands and his father coaching on the field. During batting practice that day, Dyson’s forehead ran full bore into a swinging bat, yet the boy did not so much as cry — or bleed — as he found his mother’s waiting arms.

...

The half-inch indentation proved to be a fractured skull. Three separate fractures required doctors to peel back the skin on Dyson’s forehead, insert a few titanium plates and screws and sew him up with 27 stitches.

Must be hell going to the airport.  So his fastball is straight and he's littered with injuries. So why was that Dyson was so highly regarded, the #38 talent according to BA?

Dyson's fastball can be overpowering and sometimes dominant:

“At times, he’s extremely special as you’ve seen this year,” Tanner says. “He can be as good as anybody in the country. Other times, it just doesn’t happen for him. At times, he looks like he’s having a bad night, and he convinces himself this is a bad night. When he has a good night, he’s thinking, ‘I’m good.’ ”

If Dyson can become consistent, he might have the most upside of Stassi, Green, and him.  Some of questioned if health was part of the reason for his inconsistency: he sat out his freshman season with to a torn labrum. 

I'll close with some of Melissa Lockard's thoughts:

Q:Favorite pick so far: Green, Stassi, or Dyson?
ML: I think Stassi was the biggest surprise, so I like that one for that reason. On a talent basis alone, I think the Green pick is tops, but all three are legitimate first-to-supplemental first round talents, which is exciting.
...
Besides Dyson, who projects to be the A's hardest signs?
ML: Definitely Max Stassi.

Can the A's sign all three of Stassi, Green, and Dyson?

Every guy the A's pick, they pick because they think there is a chance they can sign them. Certainly some of these are smaller chances than others, but I think because the A's do have a deep system, they can take some of these risks to see if they can add high level talent from the later rounds. Nino Leyja was an example of a mid-round HS selection last year who signed. Given what the A's were dealing with in terms of no second rounder, I think they have done pretty well.
...
If the A's can sign Green, Stassi and Dyson, it is probably a top 10 draft. There are teams with multiple first round picks who are going to come out higher than the A's almost no matter what given that they had so many more high round picks.
Poll
Who is your favorite pick between Green, Dyson, and Stassi?
Grant Green
162 votes
Max Stassi
176 votes
Sam Dyson
11 votes

349 votes | Poll has closed

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A catcher with some serious power at this young of an age?

And then you throw in a baseball background? I don’t care how much he’s asking for, sign him.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 10, 2009 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 11, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing draft

A’s have blown me away. If they can sign Green, Stassi, Dyson, Krol, and Spina…
It’d be a homerun.

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by Morgasm on Jun 10, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Spina is a college senior...

so he’s on board. But I’m with you on the other three. That would be a major coup.

by CapgrasDelusion on Jun 11, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Gagnier!

He’s a good friend of mine, great guy, great arm. Really excited we drafted him.

by Pino on Jun 10, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I voted Green

Because he is the best/highest rated prospect we drafted. Obviously, however, Stassi and Dyson would be huge steals if we signed them out of the 4th and 10th round.

I have seen Stassi play live and I can see why some scouts compare him to Biggio, up to and including suggestions that he could shift to 2B at some point. I really love Stassi as a prospect.

Dyson is a definite boom/bust guy. It ain’t my money, so I say sign him and hope for the best.

Overall, our draft went about as well as we could hope for given the lack of supplemental or second round picks as long as we sign everybody.

by BlameChannel53 on Jun 10, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

This is really exciting stuff. Hopefully the A's get all of these kids inked and ready for action.

Job well done, Beane, Kubota, Forst,and all of the scouting department!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Jun 10, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

i dont expect to sign either

maybe an outside shot at stassi since he’s a local guy. but from his dad’s quotes they dont seem willing to budge off their 1.5 mill asking price, basically mid 1st rd money
 
likely what A’s will do, talk all summer and negotiate. they dont get them, so neither do their competitors.

i would make a huge priority to sign 16th rd pick josh leyland, who’s bat seems very advanced. not saying the upside is the same, but could be like smoak/lars anderson when they were draft eligible out of highschool

i am surprised they drafted alot of tough signability guys…HS players,draft elighible sophs so early before rd 20. they did the same last yr but much later in the draft

what does everyone think of the 3b they got…3b parker byu (seems like pure hitter, not much power, may shift to 2b)and 3b spina cincinnati (plus power, not much else)

by Asfan4ever723 on Jun 10, 2009 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Pay him $1.5m then

I expect them to sign Strassi. Dyson looks more unlikely at the moment

by DeJay on Jun 11, 2009 5:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stassi will be signed.

The A’s signed 10th round pick Rashun Dixon for 600K last year to keep him from attending Mississippi State, I can see them signing a 4th rounder for 1.5.

by Jessse on Jun 11, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

They had the night to speak to him and it has already been established they knew what the asking price was. No way would they risk losing their 3rd pick if they didn’t think they would sign him.

by DeJay on Jun 12, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Leyland

For anyone who hasn’t taken a look, the MLB.com scout video of Josh Leyland should make you a believer of the HS catcher. He has a great swing with incredibly quick hands.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=4961152&content_id=4737103

If the A's can build around Holiday, Furcal, Cust, and maybe call up 2nd baseman Wes Childs at some point in the year, they have a shot to take a weak AL West. -- jameersju post on ESPN.com

by youdownwithOBP on Jun 10, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

If we can pay Ynoa 4 mil, or whatever, we can pay Stassi 1.5 mil.

I don’t care about Dyson as much, he sounds like a wreck waiting to happen (thus, he’s probably a true athletic). But for Stassi’s talent, take a shot. Why not?

OT: “True Athletic” should be the next ad campaign. It should star Bobby Crosby and the DL (a guy in a suit shaped like and OF wall with bandaids all over it).

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by DyeLongJustice on Jun 10, 2009 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

Pay the kid the 1.5m as he was one of the top 3 catchers in the draft based on talent/toolz. If not for UCLA this kid would have gone in the mid 1st round.

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by adragon on Jun 11, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sam Dyson

got one vote. I don’t know anything about the draft guys but it doesn’t seem like anyone thinks he’s a ball ’o fire.

by IM4Oakgal on Jun 10, 2009 11:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate pitchers with an injury history

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 11, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the injury history

but he gives up a lot of HRs. 18 HRs in 102 IP is pretty worrisome. 2008 was better-it was 5 HRs in 50 IP.

by apilgrim on Jun 12, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of that is throwing really really hard and running into a metal bat.

Wood doesn’t recoil like metal does, so in college ball you can hit one out against a power pitcher like Dyson by just squaring up to it, rather than squaring up to it and hitting it hard.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 12, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Voted Stassi.

Grant Green sort of fell into our laps, and while I’m grateful to have him, a lesser front office would have picked him in our situation. The selection of Max Stassi was an awesome move by our scouts that I love. Get it done, Billy. $1.5 MM? Doable.

by danmerqury on Jun 11, 2009 12:53 AM PDT reply actions  

The New A's

pay for primo prospects. They started this trend last year, and I look forward to more of the same.

"We lose to Stanford in many sports, but if you want to make a Cal team quit, bring a weapon."
--Coach Clark

by carp on Jun 11, 2009 7:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope they do

after several bad drafts, they did it, and we had a great draft. Great Drafts = a good future. Part of the reason why we suck now is because we had so many poor drafts in a row.

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Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Jun 11, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still not a big fan of the Green pick.

I’m kinda blown away that so many people are so excited about it.

It was the “safe” pick to make there, and it was the pick everybody expected to be made.

I’m hoping Tanner Scheppers doesn’t REALLY make us regret not picking him.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 11, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I watched Scheppers closely when I attended Fresno State.

Talent is undeniable, but he’s going to be injury prone with his max effort delivery.

by mr. pickles on Jun 11, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, and he's got the injury history to go with it.

But slight changes to mechanics do wonders.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the "safe" pick with Green in the first round

especially becuase it was followed up with more aggresive later picks like Stassi, Dyson, Krol, etc.

witty remark

by dtownmbrown on Jun 11, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Slight changes to mechanics could also temper that fastball

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 11, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you wouldn't want a guy with a 94mph fastball instead of 98

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 12, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of guys throw 94 and aren't good

The difference between 98 and 94 is a lot. As in the difference between grooving the pitch and the batter not being quick enough to take advantage and the batter depositing it 20 rows deep.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 13, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean or the batter depositing...

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 13, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read somewhere

When the Angles, their plethora of picks, and Dr. Yocum pass on Scheppers, thats gotta tell you something right there.

by AthleticsReign on Jun 11, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im with you on Scheppers.

As you could probably tell with me yelling “Pick Scheppers!” and putting him on the top of my board. But I am confident that Nolan Ryan’s philosophy of “Suck it up kid and throw more, pitch counts are for sissies” will destroy his arm.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Nolan Ryan blows out all the young Texas arms.

Neftali Feliz, come on down. Your arm is next to get blown out.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 11, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ehhh

I could never wish that. Blowing out arms? Ruining careers of young guys?

Nope!

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 11, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, on second thought, that's a bad thing to say on my part.

I hope they are all traded in a deal (or deals) comparable to that Adam Eaton trade a few years back.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 11, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope that what comes out of all this Nolan Ryan "suck it up" BS

is that in terms of pitch counts, 105-110 becomes the new 100.

Many starters can go a little further sometimes, as long as they don’t get Dusty Bakered to death…

"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 11, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's not a young guy,

but I would love to see Padilla’s arm blown out or off. Dude is such a dick.

by AEP2007 on Jun 12, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

They just sent him through waivers.

and yes he is a dick.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 12, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather him pitch awfully for the Rangers.

And I hate A-Rod and Teixeira more, and Padilla dislikes them too.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 13, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Im all with you on that.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 13, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I hate to wish bad things on people

but Texas could be scary good very soon.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, and they could also slump hard...

It’s still too early to tell if Texas is for real or not.

"If you don’t start concentrating and catching the ball, you’re going to have to deal with my black ass!"- Wash

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 11, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Im not talking about this year Im talking about 2010-16

This year is kinda a partial mirage. But their improved defense and the pitchers they are bringing up are going to work much better than previous attempts to overhaul Texas’ pitching.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Green compares to Longoria

Check out this Green Highlight from the capecode league at 00:20 seconds in

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4968897&c_id=oak

then compare that to Evan Longoria, and tell me thats not the same

http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200906115002421&c_id=tb

by Jessse on Jun 11, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Voted Stassi.

I’m not as crazy about the Grant Green pick as some here. Purke and Miller would’ve been better picks IMHO, but Green is still a very solid pick. Green is going to want a LOT b/c he’s represented by Boras (just like Strasburg and Ackley) and there’s signability there. But then, pick’s done, and its still a really, really good pick. And, Purke/Miller would’ve cost more and might have hamstrung the team in going overslot with guys like Stassi in later rounds. So, overall, I like the Green pick, but it isn’t genius.

Dyson has very little leverage with his injury. The biggest indicator of future injury…is already having had an injury. Scheppers was hurt right after being drafted (or during the draft) last year, and he still didn’t get picked until the supplemental round (f-k you Texas). Dyson has come back from his injury.

Stassi: give him over slot and get him in. A’s knew what he wanted when they drafted him. 1.5MM? Done deal. That was a great pick. Easily better than the guy who the Yankees selected first round (Slade Heathcott? Definitely not BPA when they drafted).

Pay for Stassi. Pay for Dyson. Pay for Green

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 11, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Dyson has a ton of leverage

Going back for his senior year would put him a year further away from shoulder injuries and give him a chance to improve the consistency of his performance. He is exactly the type of player that would benefit from a senior year.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but its also a massive risk on his part.

He does have leverage, yes, but its also huge risk to hold out, especially for an injury prone player. It might work out like it did for Scheppers, but then it might not work out.

Biggest indicator of future injuries is… prior injuries.

He’s a college senior next year. If he ain’t drafted then he could be screwed.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 11, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is true

but 1 most athletes don’t think like that, 2 lots of people BP/BA are suggesting that he will go back to school. I want the A’s to pony up for all their picks. Id rather have an entire draft of overslot signees than have acquired Nomar, Ocab, Springer, and Giambi.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

He will be in his 4th year of college

But he red-shirted his freshman year due to injury so he does have 2 years of eligibility left. Dyson really has a lot of leverage in this situation and he will likely hold out for a large bonus. Whether the A’s have enough budgeted to get him after signing Green and Stassi is yet to be seen but I’m not holding my breath.

by OkayJay81 on Jun 11, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess the question is who would you rather sign Krol or Dyson?

Krol is likely more affordable than Dyson but still.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sickels is saying that Dyson is a sophmore

And I haven’t bothered to check, but that could make him extra special tough to sign.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jun 11, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is a draft eligible sophmore

Along with his big price and injury history – it seems a longshot. Stassi they picked intending to sign. I expect Dyson just fell on to their lap and the A’s felt that it was worth the risk in the 10th round.

by DeJay on Jun 12, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Supposedly Tate wanted 6 Million

and we were rumored to take him if he fell.

Green (or Boras) has thrown out a 4 million number for him.
Stassi has throwjn out 1.5 million.

My math says that signing both of them is cheaper than Tate so lets lock them up.

I say throw the remaining 500K at Josh Leyland and get his bat in the organization.

As far as Dyson I see him as Brett Hunter (2009 version) if the money is still available see if it can get done but need to ensure the system gets flushed with bats from this draft.

by Bud Light on Jun 11, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions  

We were in on tate in the $4m range not the $6

You can check my fanpost on Tate for the linkage

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had the exact same thought re: Dyson

The second coming of Brett Hunter. Big arm, meh control, injury history.

by jdr on Jun 11, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another excellent post vignette17

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

The A's drafted Bobby Crosby's brother.
In the 42nd round we selected Blake Crosby, brother of our IF Bobby. Blake hit .397 for Sac. State in his SR year this spring.

by theblackpearl on Jun 11, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Is he on the DL yet?

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 11, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

With the Drafting of a Boris Client (G. Green)...

And possible over-slots of Stassi & Dyson + International Signings in July (Sano???), I gotta think that Beane is going to ship Holliday (and the 6MM owed to Holliday) to the Cardinals or Braves.

by Colorado Fan on Jun 11, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Holliday's salary MIGHT...

come into play when it comes to dealing with Dyson, in that, if the A’s move Holliday’s salary by July 31st, that might give the team enough free cash to sign before the August 17th deadline.

However, I think the team will be perfectly fine dealing with Boras on Green and nabbing Stassi without having to move any salary around. To take Stassi in the 4th round (3rd overall pick) the A’s were likely very well-informed about Max’s asking price. As Kevin Goldstein mentioned in his ongoing draft chat at BP, teams (especially fiscally restrained ones like the A’s) don’t just take whomever with their top picks and then hope and pray they can scrounge up enough dough to sign the picks..they usually have a very good idea of what it will take to sign the top picks before even picking them. In the later rounds, it might be more of a shot in the dark.

Long story short, I think a Holliday trade MAY affect negotiations with Dyson, but Holliday certainly won’t be moved solely because of draft budget concerns.

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by Taj Adib on Jun 11, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to hope that

the A’s budgeted enough money to not have to trade Holliday to pay overslot draft bonuses to Dyson/Stassi.

Spending high on the draft is something well-run organizations plan for. Holliday was traded for with the hopes of contending this year. Unless the A’s were expecting to be out of it by the deadline when they added Holliday/Giambi/OCab/Springer (in that case, why did they add this much payroll if they weren’t contending and it would hamper draft spending in any way, shape, or form)

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 11, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

They still have a need

2/3 of their OF is still Garret Anderson and Jeff Francoeur.

That OF still is awful offensively and defensively (McLouth is an awful defensive CF).

In any non-East division, they could get by, but they’re in the NL East. That division aint easy.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

by Blicks on Jun 11, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I remember the analysis I read about him correctly he's an above average

corner outfielder defensively, which translates to a below average centre fielder. I imagine he’s like Sweeney out there.(though I’ve never seen Nate play so I couldn’t be sure).

by OldhamA on Jun 12, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

His only meaningful amount of time in CF was last year

With a (fangraphs) -14.3 UZR/150 in a full season.

If you look at his career totals, he’s spent most of his time in CF and been below average defensively.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 12, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

He must not get very good reads,

because he’s a lot faster than Sweeney. Which means he might not excel as a corner OFer either.

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by Nico on Jun 12, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

isn't sweeney's UZR basically neutral?

i’m unconvinced he’s a poor defensive cf. not sure he can hit enough anyway though.

by Elston Gunn on Jun 12, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

My issue with Sweeney is that he plays deep,

and as a result he does do well with balls to (or just over!) the wall from left-center to right-center. But this comes at the expense of fly balls in front of him.

If he got good reads on balls in front of him or if he had really good speed, this wouldn’t be nearly the problem it is – but he does not get especially good reads and his speed is not especially good.

I guess he’s a decent “no doubles” CFer, if nothing else.

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by Nico on Jun 12, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

he definitely looks pretty bad out there

even with the highlight reel catches. i’m just unconvinced that my eyes are telling me the truth

by Elston Gunn on Jun 12, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He does a good job on deep fly balls in the alleys

But you can see that he doesn’t consistently get good “first step” reads on balls in front of him, and his lack of “really good speed” is just a fact that can’t be taught or worked with. It’s hard to be a better than average defensive CFer if you don’t get very good reads AND you don’t have very good speed.

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by Nico on Jun 12, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

good CF’s adjust their positioning/depths depending on the hitter and the pitch called. Great CF’s can play a smidge shallow and never get burned.

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by carp on Jun 13, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

His career CF UZR is neutral, yes

Sweeney was pretty damn bad defensively last year in CF (-22.8 UZR/150 in CF). But this year,he’s been really good (9.2 UZR/150). The sample sizes are of similar size (~300 innings).

It’s too difficult to judge. If he maintains a +9.2 UZR/150 and his BABIP rebounds (its low this year, although he’s hitting a healthy amount of line drives) so he puts up 2008 offensive numbers (nothing spectacular, but decent if he puts up the defensive numbers of ’09).

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by Blicks on Jun 13, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

If he can put up a 95ish OPS+ and average defense, he’s a real asset.

by Elston Gunn on Jun 13, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought I read where Beane had said they budgeted a lot for both International and draft

I don’t have any links but somewhere, maybe in a Blez post he said they had planned for those.

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by Eastbayjim on Jun 11, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

i hope the stassi situation ...

doesn’t turn into justin smoak, part 2. i realize that was four years ago, but … the situation sounds quite familiar.

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by Jjjsixsix on Jun 11, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the context of the Smoak & Stassi situations are quite different.

Smoak – drafted in the 16th round of 2005 draft back when the A’s were dealing with pretty stringent budget constraints from the previous Schott/Hoffman regime and hadn’t gone overslot for years and in the same year when they had several 1st and compensation round picks to draft and pay way before they even started negotiating with Smoak.

Stassi – Drafted in 4th round of 2009 when the A’s have all sorts of budget wiggle room with an ownership group that has been willing to go significantly overslot to nab top talent and in an year when the A’s only have to pay bonuses for four players drafted in the top five rounds, including Stassi.

I don’t think we have a lot to worry a lot about Stassi turning into another Smoak, unless he totally lied to every team he talked to regarding his bonus demands.

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by Taj Adib on Jun 11, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean the local team drafts you and you already put out a fairly reasonable price

I don’t see how the A’s don’t drop $1.3-1.5m on him. Lots of people love his package of tools. (Ill do it so no one else has to…TWSS).

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by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

I mean, with his set of tools, his bloodlines and his “off the charts makeup” he’s definitely worth the $1.5 million he seeks. But just because that’s what he seeks, it doesn’t necessarily mean that is what he’ll settle for. His situation is VERY similar to Brett Hunter’s last season. Both guy’s entered their draft seasons as possible 1st/compensation/early 2nd round picks and both entered the draft with bonus demands commensurate with those expectations…and then because of those expectations (and some injury scares) teams completely ignored both players on the 1st day of the draft.

In Hunter’s case, he wanted something like $2 million to pass on his senior season… eventually he settled for like $1.4 million. Stassi says he wants $1.5 million now, but he has to deal with the fact that no one wanted him at that price until the A’s nabbed him in the 4th round. I anticipate the A’s will spend plenty of time with his party negotiating them down, if at all possible…even it’s $1.45 million instead of $1.5 million, that could end up being a minor coup for the team as it could throw that extra 50-grand at the next Nino Leyja or Dallas Braden – a last day of the draft “shot in the dark” pick…

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by Taj Adib on Jun 11, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I guess im not seeing much wiggle room though

Slot for the compensation round is not that much less than 1.5M and he would have gone in that round if he wanted slot. Which I think was probably $1m. I could be wrong about that. But I don’t see them lowering their price much. Also I would suggest that if lowering his price is the goal it will take till August 17 at which point the extra 50k won’t have enough time to make it to the Nino Leyja’s of the back of the draft.

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by designatedforassignment on Jun 11, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of all the A’s draft picks, I was most excited about Stassi. The kid just looks like a born hitter and elite catching talent is so rare, and it takes a long time to develop. A prep player like Stassi, whose father was a professional player at the same position, is going to be so far ahead of other players his age and has a better chance of making it to the bigs than most. (I read somewhere that only 5 percent of drafted prep catchers will eventually play more than 100 games in the major leagues.)

I also agree with those here who feel the A’s drafted him with every intention of getting a deal done. And getting a deal done makes sense for Stassi and his family. Catchers traditionally spend about 3 seasons in the minors (rule of thumb is that they should catch at least 300 games before graduating to the bigs) and that would place him with the MLB club at age 21 to 22, meaning he’ll be entering free agency right around the time of his prime years as player. And catchers have shorter careers, so that matters a lot and I’m sure his family is thinking about it. Also, I’m certain his parents like the idea of someday being able to see their son play nearby in Stockton and Sacramento, and hopefully, eventually in Oakland. I think these factors will go in to their consideration about whether or not Stassi signs with the A’s or rolls the dice on a college career.

by Bubsy on Jun 13, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

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