Dredging for Hope: Revisiting the A's Spring Training Questions
Way back in Spring Training... There were several questions that should have been on every A's fans mind.
How will the young starters hold up?
Who will be the young starters anyway?
Is the bullpen going to be okay?
How will the defense work out?
Will the offense be any better?
Those questions, and their answers, lead to a new perpsective on our current plight as A's fans.
So let's take em question by question:
Will the young starters hold up? Who will be the young starters anyway?
Old Assumption: We could expect for Eveland, Braden and the Duke to be a league average trio. Cahill, Mazzaro, Anderson, Gonzalez, WIlliams, Outman etc. would have to make up 2/5ths of the rotation and would make or break the season.
Where we stand currently: Duke is DL'd, Braden has been doing alright despite a FIP that suggests his ERA is about 2 runs too low and walking only 6 less than he has k'd in 30 innings. Eveland was the opposite of Braden, he had a FIP that suggested he was pitching much better than his ERA but after the weekend the FIP is doing it's best to catch up.
So we have Anderson, Cahill and Outman (and maybe Gio very soon) to monitor.
Keith Law declared Anderson MLB ready back in Spring Training. His FIP and ERA agree he is a 5 runs a game kind of guy. We can debate if that meets the definition of "ready" or not.
Cahill has been wildly uneven... His FIP suggests his 4.5 ERA is too low, he has taken a no hitter into the late stages, he has been knocked around to the tune of 7 runs in 2 and 2/3rds innings... Sort fo expected for a "high up side" but young pitcher.
Outman, who seemed like an after thought when he was named the fifth starter, is performing better than I expected.
Conclusion: I expect that Gio Gonzales is about to take Dana Eveland's rotation spot. First, it doesn't ruin the 4 lefties and a righty theme the A's appear to be striving for. Second, Bobby Geren appeared to be hinting this in his statement that Eveland will be "reassessed" after coming out of the pen this weekend. So when the Duke comes back, who vacates his role? Personally, I'd like to see Trevor Cahill work on his control in Sacramento... These two changes (subtract Eveland and Cahill, add Duke and Gio) replaces FIP's of 5 and 6.3 with FIP's we could expect to be 3.8 and 5. This would be only a slight improvement so we can probably expect any changes to result in one less game a week with a crooked number hanging in the bad guys line scores.
Is the bullpen going to be okay?
Old Assumption: With the potential for so many young pitchers in the rotation, the bullpen will be throwing a ton of innings. The back end is good with Devine and Ziggy but, beyond that, depth is a problem. Billy Beane saw this coming and upgraded by sign and trade.
Where we stand currently: One of the two coclosers won't pitch this season. A relative unknown made the squad out of Spring Training and has been lights out to offset that loss. Michael Weurtz has been a refreshing change. Springer is doing alright, Casilla has looked good (but is now hurt) All in all, the bullpen has done pretty well... although the innings have been A LOT... 90 innings out of a total of 208 for the entire staff.
Conclusion: It is probably not fair to expect the pen to keep pitching well if they are going to be asked to pitch something like 40 to 45% of the total innings. The only way this could even be sustainable is to keep shuttling guys up from Sacramento to pitch way too much for a month and then send them back to recuperate... Oh the joys of Organizational depth. The real solution is for Duke to come back and throw more than 5 innings a start, combined with the other guys getting deeper into games. Maybe that is too much to ask at this juncture? If it isn't too much to ask, I like where the bullpen can take the team with 3 innings a game and Bailey, Ziggy, Springer, Weurtz, et al.
Will the defense work out?
Old Assumptions: With Giambi in the fold and at first, Cust will be playing the outfield a bunch. Sweeney will be playing out of position. Cabrera and Ellis will be one hell of a double play tandem, Chavez is back at third but who knows how well he will play. Garciaparra helps provide stability behind Giambi and Chavez...
Where we currently stand: I have to sort of chuckle as I think about the infield at the end of the game yesterday, Crosby at first, Hannahan at third. At least Cabrera is saving runs at short instead of Crosby giving them away. Sweeney has been better than I thought in center field, and not just because of the two highlight reel plays this week. A plus 19 in Center Field isn't the hackness I expected (obvious small sample size warning inserted here).
Conclusion: With Ellis, Chavez and Garciaparra out and Giambi creaking it is really hard to guess where this is headed. Hannahan may well be better than Chavez was. The real trouble will be at second base. I can't imagine Petit, Patterson and Crosby playing as well as Ellis. Patterson seems like his nickname should be "Clank" when he is wearing a glove and standing near second base and Petit was great at second/horrid at short last year in limited appearances.
Jack Cust really bites in the outfield. It ain't changing.
Will the offense be any better?
Old Assumptions: Holliday, Giambi and a lack of Crosby, Hannahan means a bump in the team OPS. Add in a healthy Chavez and the spot starts for Garicaparra and scoring runs won't be an issue.
Where we stand: Despite the recent evidence of a thaw, the bats have been frozen for most of the season. The A's team offense has scored the fewest runs in the American League.
Conclusion: This is another area, like the infield defense, where judgment should be reserved. The team was built to score runs with power and none of the guys we can all reasonably expect to hit home runs and doubles have done much. Holliday, Giambi and Cust all seem poised to start swinging it. If they haven't done more than show signs by the end of May, ugh.
In summary, we should all take the approach I have heard credited to Jon Schuerholz and break the season into thirds. The first third to see what you got, the second to look around and make changes, the third to go for it. We are halfway through the first thrid and I think we can all only reasonably say that the starting pitching needs to get a lot better in order for the A's to compete. Those other questions, the bullpen, the defense, the power... they all are likely to be okay but are still in the process of answering themselves. I am not ready to lock myself in the closet and listen the the Shins for the rest of the season quite yet, but I am also not ready to be excited. How about all of you?
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Starting Pitching
I was one of the people in ST clamoring for Beane to sign a middle of the road veteran that could eat 180-200 innings. Yes a Wolf, Byrd, Looper, Garland, would be putting up numbers like Cahill, but at least it would be a more consistant 6 innings a game instead of 3 one game and 7 the next. As Jeffro implied, the bullpen might be worn out come July. It would be nice to have a 4.5 era guy get rid of 190 inning for us right now. I think that would have been worth $3-5 million in spring training for one year.
by RayJEdd on May 4, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
defense
I agree that none of our backups can replicate Ellis’ defense at 2nd base. But, I think that Petit can provide at least league average defense there. I say we keep starting him there, for at least as long as his bat stays hot. Given the need for relief pitchers, I would almost advocate sending Patterson back to Sacramento for an additional bullpen arm. Would it be just too risky to have Hannahan as the only backup infielder?
Also, one more preseason prediction to revisit: most people agreed before the start of the season that the AL West would be a very weak/winnable division. This prediction looks pretty much right on so far. Seattle has certainly been the best team in the division so far but they have definitely not been dominant. If someone could see into the future and tell me that Felix and Bedard will both be healthy all season, then I might give the Mariners 50-50 odds for the division title, but Bedard’s health is a pretty major caveat.
by colin on May 4, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also
jeffro, thanks for a well thought out fANpost that doesn’t take the chicken little route
by colin on May 4, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I guess they took my advice
and ditched Patterson in favor of additional pitching depth (see fANpost)
As Nico and others have pointed out, swapping Gio for Gallagher probably is mostly about the fact that Gio just threw >100 pitches and will need 5 days before he is game ready again.
by colin on May 4, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
I am wondering if the A’s might just throw Anderson on the DL, insert Gallagher into the rotation and replace Eveland with Gio in the next few turns through the rotation. At least, I would prefer to see that.
It was painful watching the game last night, even if I was under an overhang and didn’t get wet. Anderson doesn’t seem ready to get major league hitters out consistently and the blister can’t help.
by jeffro on May 5, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine the blister is actually MOST of it -
Anderson says he can’t really throw his fastball right now, and the fastball is kind of an important pitch!
Regarding the rotation, I agree (DL Anderson, insert Gallagher and replace Eveland with Gio) but Eveland still has to take at least his next turn tomorrow. Then Gio could be called up to pitch in Eveland’s next scheduled start, which is what I hope will happen.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 5, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this
Send Eveland down, have Giese make Eveland’s start, put Copeland on the roster, cut Davis in a few days and call up Gio when he’s ready to start again on regular rest.
BRILLIANT!
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on May 5, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially with the A's facing RHP
for the next three games.
Any reason why we shouldn’t use the following players against Feldman, McCarthy, and Richmond?
RF: Buck
CF: Sweeney
LF: Holliday
1B: Giambi
DH: Cust
Wait, Copeland bats left-handed? <head explodes>
by colin on May 6, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe...
that the failure of the offense to produce has hurt everything else. it’s put pressure on the young starters and it’s forced the very heavy use of certain bullpen members (and the overlooking of others in the bullpen).
by inbillywetrust on May 5, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
most teams have the luxury of using one bullpen member (the crappy one) primarily in non-close games. But in A’s games, it always feels like every inning is high leverage.
Well… re-reading those last two sentences, maybe I should just chalk it all up to personal bias.
by colin on May 5, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
request for fangraphs
since Leverage Index depends on the run scoring environment, can we get the Oakland Win Probability graphs calculated using deadball era numbers? I mean, that’s probably more accurate, right?
by colin on May 5, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's early...
But so far things aren’t goign the way we want. We really just need guys to stay healthy and our yougn pitchers have got to pitch themselves deeper into games. Right now they are killing our bullpen.
As for the offense, it’s a lost cause. No matter what lineups or hitters we bring in we just are not allowed to be a good offensive team.
by LVElephant on May 5, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"We really just need guys to stay healthy"
Third year in a row that’s been the A’s mantra.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 5, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need guys-who-have-already-demonstrated-they-cannot-stay-healthy to stay healthy
I’m afraid we’re suckers for thinking they would change.
AN was so much better before I got here.
by stormtown on May 5, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. I've been a sucker for thinking things would change, myself.
I was hoping I could change.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 5, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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