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Monday's Minor League Report

Help is on the way, folks. Eventually. Just allow 6-8 weeks for delivery, not counting week-ends or national holidays. You know, best case scenario.

 

The farm system is far from barren but the harsh reality is no one’s really shown themselves to be big league ready yet. As I sit and write this, Dana Eveland, erstwhile #3 starting pitcher in the Oakland rotation, just came in to pitch the bottom of the 15th and proceeded to load the bases… and he just gave up the game winning hit. Trevor Cahill has given up 27 hits and 18 walks in 26 IP, numbers that in no way support his 4.50 ERA.

 

4 players went on the DL in the past week, Brad Ziegler has the flu and Jason Giambi’s hamstrings seem to have the tensile strength of warm string cheese. Recently called up Gio Gonzalez just threw 108 pitches over 5 innings, so he’s pretty much unavailable for the next 3-4 games. Oh, and Bob Geren seems to hate Travis Buck.

 

Now would be a good time for the 9-13 Oakland A’s to call up some reinforcements. Too bad there are none to give.

Star-divide

Sacramento River Cats  (14-9)

 

So close, yet so unable to send worthwhile help Oakland’s way. The A’s just placed Eric Chavez, Nomar Garciaparra and Mark Ellis on the 15-day Disabled List and to help fill the gap of these offensive stalwarts the River Cats send Eric Patterson and Jack Hannahan into the fray. Look, I know how important it is to field a good defensive team but at some point you’ve got to score some runs. Last year the A’s scored fewer runs than any team in the AL. Guess what, as of May 3, 2009 the Oakland A’s have scored fewer runs than anyone in the AL. Not to mention that based on overall performance (and not lucky ERA) there are at least two rotation spots that need replacement. Cahill’s 18 walks and 8 strike outs in 26 innings point to him not being ready to face big league hitters and beat them on a consistent basis. What’s worse, the incredibly inexperienced and obviously rushed Cahill is only the A’s second biggest concern in the rotation. Dana Eveland has pitched like crap.

 

Unfortunately neither Vin Mazzaro nor James Simmons have shown that they’re ready for the next step. With Gio in Oakland, the two pitchers most ready to assist the A’s are Jeff Gray and non-roster Edgar Gonzalez.

 

Mazzaro: 0-1  3.38 ERA  5 GS  24.0 IP  25 H  1 HR  12/17 BB/K  2.93 GO/AO

 

Mazzaro still needs to work on consistently hitting his spots. He’s had two starts in which he issued more walks than strike outs (4/3 in both games) and in his last start he was more than just unlucky in giving up 12 hits in 4 innings at Colorado Springs. The good news was that 10 of those hits were on the ground and the 3 doubles were the only extra base hits he allowed. But even when you factor the 3 infield hits he allowed, Mazzaro may have been throwing strikes but they weren’t necessarily quality strikes.

 

I’m not trying to be harsh here, Mazzaro is still a good looking SP prospect but that’s all he is at this time: a prospect. He’s not ready to help the A’s.

 

Simmons: 1-0  5.40 ERA 5 G/4 GS  23.1 IP  26 H  2 HR  12/19 BB/K  0.63 GO/AO

 

Simmons is much the same story, he’s simply not ready to take the next step. The extreme fly ball tendency is worrisome but at this point I’m willing to shake it off as a product of sample size and not a sign that it’s the shape of things to come. Simmons has always had a slight lean towards the fly ball side of making outs but a 0.63 GO/AO foretells of too many gopher balls in his future.

 

Jerry Blevins sports a not-entirely unattractive 3.72 ERA, but when you look past the façade you realize he’s only had 1 quality outing in his 6 appearances for the River Cats.

 

4/26 vs. Las Vegas: 3.0 IP  0 H  1 BB  2 K

 

5 other games: 6.2 IP  8 H  3 BB  4 K, a quick and dirty average of 2 base runners every 1.1 inning.

 

Thus Jeff Gray is the last 40 man roster pitcher ready to provide some assistance to the A’s.

 

Gray: 1-1  2 Sv  2.08 ERA  7 G  8.2 IP  4 H  1 HR  3/4 BB/K  1.75 GO/AO

 

Sean Gallagher got rained out of his last start and the A’s are still in the process of stretching him back out to handle a starting role. He’s fresh enough to get called up to cover in the pen but the pain of ripping that bandage off might be worse than the actual injury. Oakland needs to resist the temptation of messing with a guy they need in the rotation long term.

 

Offensively, things are muddled in the River Cats’ line-up. Chris Denorfia is struggling with the bat and Sean Doolittle is hammering lefty pitching but right-handed hurlers own the southpaw slugger. He needs more polish. The infield is a total mish-mash. Adrian Cardenas tore up the Texas League to the tune of 372/443/590 to earn his promotion to AAA. Yung Chi Chen got called up to backfill for Eric Patterson. Chen was hitting 324/387/412 for the Rockhounds at the time of his call-up and has gone 5-11 during his stay in Sac. What’s interesting (more like amusing, I suppose) is that the A’s have Cardenas listed as a SS even though he spent most of his time at 2nd base for the Rockhounds. Chen is listed on the depth charts as a 2B but spent most of his AA time at 3rd base. Cliff Pennington is listed as a 3B for Sacramento but has played almost exclusively in the middle infield and his bat seems to be preventing him from ever becoming a big league regular.

 

So will Oakland insist on Cardenas getting the bulk of the playing time at SS, given the team’s long term need for a quality SS that can hit? This would bump Pennington to 2B and Chen to 3B. However, the A’s also have an immediate need for a 3B and if Cardenas handles AAA pitching like he did AA then he might be ready for a big league call-up by mid-June. But to call up a kid and ask him to play a defensively demanding position like 3B without any previous experience at the spot seems to be courting danger, so wouldn’t it make sense to have Cardenas (the designated SS) play 3B for the River Cats while Chen and Pennington handle middle infield duties?

 

And in other odds and ends, Aaron Cunningham seems to be progressing well from his shoulder dislocation and is tentatively expected to return to the River Cats’ line-up in mid-May. C Joel Galarraga finally made it to Sacramento and looks to handle the bulk of the catching duties. To the best of my knowledge, Jared Lansford is healthy… he’s just pitching like crap.

 

Midland Rockhounds AA  (15-8)

 

Here’s the first thing you need to know about the Rockhounds: they’ve only got 2 guys on the roster who are hitting under .273 and 1 of those guys went 0-2 on Opening Day and hasn’t played since. (Javier Herrera went home to the DL after hurting his wrist.) Their offense has been all kinds of potent and it hasn’t just been re-treads doing the damage. Legit prospects like Chris Carter and Adrian Cardenas have been raking the ball. Corey Brown is back from his minor knee injury and went 1-4 with a 3-run bomb on Sunday.

 

Carter: 326/402/526  11 D-1 T-2 HR  11/28 BB/K in 95 at bats

 

The Carter-to-3B experiment seems to have been shelved, as journeyman Tommy Everidge has taken over the starting job at the hot corner. That’s OK, if Carter keeps raking like this (don’t worry, the home runs will come) he’ll provide more than enough offense to fit in as a 1B/DH in the Show. Carter is still prone to some streakiness but if his May numbers look like his April ones than Daric Barton be damned, the A’s will find a spot for him to play in Sacramento.

 

Cardenas: 372/443/590  10 D-2 T-1 HR  10/13 BB/K in 78 at bats

 

Cardenas is in Sac now, I just wanted to post his line one more time. You know, it wasn’t too long ago that I was asking where Cardenas’ power had gone… it seems to have come home.

 

Brown: 333/436/515  3 D-1 HR  5/9 BB/K in 33 at bats

 

The knee injury interrupted his hot start, here’s hoping that he can pick up where he left off. The strike outs are always going to be there, he needs to make good things happen when he makes contact.

 

Josh Donaldson: 205/356/342  5 D-1 T-1 HR  17/16 BB/K in 73 at bats

 

Donaldson is the only Rockhound line-up regular who’s had a rough start to the season, but even he has some positive numbers. He’s flashed some power and more walks than strike outs is always a plus. His defense behind the plate still needs some work and his bat will continue to look sexier as long as he remains a catcher.

 

Danny Putnam (341/431/648, a team leading 7 HR) and Archie Gilbert (328/449/469, 10 walks to 3 strike outs) have reached a point in their careers where they seem destined to be career minor league journeymen, but right now they’re putting up a convincing argument that at the very least they deserve a AAA paycheck and maybe, just maybe a shot at something more. Corey Wimberly  was on the verge of an AAA call-up (in place of Yung Chi Chen) when he hurt his wrist and ended up on the DL instead.

 

The Rockhound pitching is another story. Jason Fernandez, Graham Godfrey and Travis Banwart have shown enough in the rotation (and are young enough) to suggest there might be something there. Chris Farley and Kristian Bell have been busy making piñatas look healthy. Midland has seen some excellent bullpen work by Indy league find Michael Benacka and Sam Demel.

 

Fernandez: 2-3  4.55 ERA  5 GS  27.2 IP  34 H  3 HR  10/16 BB/K  2.22 GO/AO

 

Godfrey: 2-2  4.56 ERA  5 GS  23.2 IP  24 H  1 HR  10/18 BB/K  0.86 GO/AO

 

Banwart: 3-0  1.69 ERA  5 GS  26.2 IP  26 H  1 HR  7/14 BB/K  0.94 GO/AO

 

Banwart’s ERA is pretty-pretty but his component numbers don’t support it staying that low. Still, if he can continue like this for the first half of the season he might make an attractive trade chip come July. Assuming, of course, the A’s are thinking in that direction once July rolls around.

 

Benacka: 1-0  1 Sv  1.17 ERA  9 G  15.1 IP  9 H  4/19 BB/K  1.45 GO/AO

 

Demel: 0-0  4 Sv  1.04 ERA  9 G  8.2 IP  4 H  1 HR  3/9 BB/K  3.25 GO/AO

 

If Sac keeps sending arms to Oakland one of these two will become a River Cat.

 

That’s it for this week, folks. I might post a diary covering the low minors later in the week.

 

And thank you for your support.

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I'm glad Cardenas has been tearing it up

But I would have liked to have seen a few more of those doubles turn into HR before he was moved up to AAA.

by NateHST on May 4, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you said there is help on the way

but you also say there is nothing there. Then you explain otherwise again. your position is unclear to me.

Gimme Steam!! - P Gabriel

by somebodyelse on May 4, 2009 4:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's no one there beating down the door to help immediately

There’s a chance in 6 weeks (rough estimate) Cardenas and/or (best guess) Mazzaro will have gotten a handle on AAA and be ready for Oakland. Plus Duke should be ready to roll by June.

So there’s a good chance for help in the long(er) term, not so much chance of help by Tuesday.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 4, 2009 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute

This would make perfect sense and I’m not surprised Billy and his “stooges” haven’t thought of this. Lets call up Gallagher again but this time will let him rot in the bullpen, oh wait we already tried that.

by granja on May 4, 2009 4:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

grover,

you’re not the spot of sunshine I was hoping for this morning.

Okay, no immediate help from within. Any hope of finding someone serviceable and somewhat cheap as a stopgap six to eight week fill-in from outside the organization?

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 4, 2009 6:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am always a ray o' fucking sunshine

But I won’t lie to folks and this bit o’ truth sucks.

Are you talking rotation stopgaps or in the field?

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by grover on May 4, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 4, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always

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by grover on May 4, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop gap? Stop gap?!? It has become evident that this is yet another rebuilding year for us, despite the very weak AL West division. Billy is not going to make moves to bolster this team. Holliday is out before the deadline and same thing may happen with O-Dawg, perhaps even Zook if he continues to display a consistent bat. This team will not be serious contenders until next year, at the earliest.

by ATLDuck on May 4, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AFLAC!!!

Couldn’t resist.

The A’s are 4.5 games back and if the bullpen hadn’t had multiple meltdowns yesterday they’d be 2.5 games back. I don’t see how it could be “evident” that this is strictly a rebuilding year, at least not at this point in time.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, let's start with the pitching.

I’m comfortable with the hitting, though some are not as engaged at this point of the season as I’d like them to be, and the defense is good. So let’s say stop-gap pitching, that we can afford.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 4, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Byrd

Did he sign with anybody yet?

Not Pedro. He’s done.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 4, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does seem to fit the bill pretty fricking well.

Can give us a month or two of starts. Can probably come out for long relief…

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 4, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about that.

Was he injured, or is it just because he didn’t go to ST and needs time to get ready?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 4, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

I’m completely missing the referrence.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I know it gets played a lot in syndication, but Frasier’s been cancelled for a couple years now. I’m not saying it was a bad joke, just a little… matured.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no

It was indeed a bad joke. Sorry :(

"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."

by VORP is too nerdy on May 4, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bryd is availiable

As reported by MLBtraderumors.com

Byrd ready to fly?

A troubling twist come froms slegnA HQ, who are also looking for veteran innings on the cheap

Reagins begins looking outside for pitching help

We can offer the defense, but they can offer the run support.

"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack

by GoA's on May 4, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Byrd's personal reasons?

Do you mean his addiction to porn that he wrote the book about?

AN was so much better before I got here.

by stormtown on May 4, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose so

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by grover on May 4, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, that was him!

Erm….maybe we’re fine with what we got.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 4, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but can’t say that all the other teams above us in the AL West had bullpen meltdowns which also cost them 2-3 games? I think the record does show an accurate pitcure of what kind of team we have right now. Our bullpen is supposed to be a strength of ours, and I was under that these young starters would not have to be overextended because of this strength. The problem is that our starters are not getting deep enough into games on a consistent basis either due to a lack of production, or injury (as we saw last night), and wearing our bullpen arms thin. Devine and Jairo are hurt, Springer is old, Z was out with the flu and I’m even a bit skeptical of how he’ll perform against left-handed bats later this season. The only bright spots left are Bailey, whose arm is going to fall off, and Wuertz. At some point in the near future, I expect Gallagher to be inserted into the rotation, which may result in Eveland coming out of the bullpen, which is not a good thing.

Both Angels and A’s have a lot of players on the DL. However, I truly believe that the players on the Angels’ DL will have a stronger impact on their team upon their return. You’re talking about one of the best pitchers in baseball, John Lackey, and then both that Usher wanna-be Santana, and Escobar. Then, Vlad will be back, too. Meanwhile, who are we waiting for? Duke (good for maybe 10+ wins?), Nomah, Ellis, and Chavez, who should not even be in the majors anymore.

I love our guys to death but it’s so frustrating to keep fooling myself that we will be contending this year. I like the young players we have, especially Bailey and Petit. I don’t want Beane to be shipping off any more young talent to try to contend foolishly. Give our young guys experience, get their feet wet and we’ll be okay next season.

by ATLDuck on May 5, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to be clear...

Last year Lackey had fewer wins above replacement than Dana Eveland. But I agree with the bulk of the rest of what you are saying.

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by designatedforassignment on May 5, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand where you're coming from

And I don’t necessarily disagree with the points you bring up.

What I’m saying is calling the season on Cinco de Mayo is premature. Even the Pittsburgh Pirates traditionally wait until Memorial Day before tossing the towel.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 5, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suzuki

Ain’t getting traded. Straight up Armageddon if he does.

by Colorado Fan on May 4, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I like the kid a lot but nobody is untouchable other than maybe Cahill and Anderson. Billy even traded Swish a couple of years ago!

by ATLDuck on May 5, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Very nice work, grover. Thanks for putting this together.

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 4, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed - excellent analysis, IMO

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by Nico on May 4, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're welcome

Same to Si… for some reason I can’t reply off his comment. Probably user error.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's odd -- I seem to be able to reply to yours

Beane has said he upgraded the offense in the offseason specifically to give more run support for his young starters. I assume that he also wanted to give his position prospects time in the minors as well, in order not to rush them and perhaps damage their development. (wondering if that’s part of what happened to Barton? I thought it was a mistake to call up CarGon last year instead of letting him play all season in AAA.)

The idea that Giambi could be kept from having to play 1B on a regular basis (saving his legs), and that Nomar could be used as a back-up and only occasioinal starter, seemed to depend on Chavez being more available — and productive — than he’s turned out to be.

by OaklandSi on May 4, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think it was a glitch with that one comment

Anyways, following that stream of thought I think it was wishful thinking on Beane’s part to anticipate Chavez’s increased availability. I mean, Nomar’s unavailability was expected based on his track record. You’d think Beane would have found a more durable Plan C option in case Chavez went down again for an extended period of time.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

it’s amazing how an overly optimistic assessment of just one player can set off a chain reaction in the rest of the lineup.

by OaklandSi on May 4, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always appreciated

I just remembered I love Eric Chavez.

by Joey C. on May 4, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yet frequently misunderstood...

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by grover on May 4, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's just a big, fuzzy monster, he is...

who’s a big, fuzzy monster?

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 4, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scratch behind my right ear and I'll start thumping my foot on the ground.

Scratch behind my left ear and I’ll piddle on your foot.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 4, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

< scratches behind grover's ear >

Wha— what?? . . . dammit!!

. . . Oh. You mean your right.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on May 4, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question/comment on Cardenas

What’s his best, i.e. most comfortable position? Obviously, the A’s will need him on the left side of the infeld by next season. I strongly prefer that he play whichever position that is.

By next season, the A’s are going to need players at third and shortstop. If Cardenas can fill one of those gaping holes, that would be great.

I would rather Cardenas not try to learn to hit AAA pitching and a new position all at the same time, just because the big club planned poorly (counting on Chavez’s health) and is desperate. I don’t want the team to mess with another prosect’s development by rushing him. That has become a disturbing pattern, and is an example of Things Bad Teams Do.

by bear88 on May 4, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Phils had him at 2nd when they traded him to Oakland

Scouts predicted that, assuming his bat continued to improve, he’d be a better play at 3rd in the Bigs. In other words, SS is supposedly a pretty big stretch for him. Keeping in mind the usual disclaimer about defensive metrics, BP predicts -12 runs for him at SS this year.

All told, Cardenas appears to be a liability in the middle infield. Obviously, his bat looks less impressive at 3rd, but seeing as how it’s an organizational need (as you pointed out), that may be where he ends up. And we can look forward to much bitching around AN about how he doesn’t hit enough homers.

I just remembered I love Eric Chavez.

by Joey C. on May 4, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally speaking

If Cardenas can play average or above defense at 3B while posting a high OBP and about 40 doubles, I can live with 10-15 HR power.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds like...

Cardenas might be an ideal second baseman who could play third base if need be.

I think everyone’s expectations for third base production has been lowered considerably in recent years.

by bear88 on May 4, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Cardenas would be considered an offensive 2B and a defensive 3B

If he developes 20 HR power the move to 3B would go unquestioned.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Innocent Q: why aren't offensive and defensive skills independent of each other?

I’ve never understood why the comment above necessarily follows. Seems to me that quick reactions and a cannon arm would be important for third, and range/speed would incline one for second, esp if the arm was only ordinary. None of which has anything to do with offense.

Why do I care from which side of second base those 20 dingers come?

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by The Dogfather on May 4, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: your closing question

it’s all about being above, at, or below average for the position. which dictates my opinion that if he can knock 20 HR, keep him at 2B so we have above average power there

by jlanning17 on May 4, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, JL -- so since it's a team game, sounds like you wouldn't you move somebody ...

… from his natural/best-suited defensive position, just to serve the position averages. You wanna get to a team number, after all, which seems to me to be the one that really counts.

In another way — if you get more out of your second baseman, and correspondingly less out of your third b’man — are you any worse off than the other way ’round?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on May 4, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It only matters when you go looking for a replacement.

If you’re looking for an upgrade and you survey the market of available prospects/players, you’re more likely to find a 20-HR sort of guy who can play 3B than one who can play 2B.

Same concept but a little more obvious if you compare, say, 1B and C.

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by iglew on May 5, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry it took so long to reply to your question, needed some reference material

We’re basically talking about position profiling. BA’s Prospect Handbook has a page the illustrates what a typical scout is looking for in an “ideal” prospect at each position. LF and 1B are identical, teams (and remember, this is meant as a generic ideal) want power and hitting ability (in that order) and then everything else from those positions. At 3B scouts are looking for (again, in order) hitting ability, power, fielding. At 2B its hitting fielding, power. Subtle differences, but scouts have come to expect more power from the 3B.

Now, let’s take a simplified macro view of things. If every team is looking for 20 HRs from their 3B, and if every team has a 3B who can 20 HRs, then no one has an advantage in the power department. Now, every team is also looking for 10 HR power from their 2B and every team but 1 has a 2B who’ll hit 10 HR. The 1 exception is the Phillies, who have Chase Utley and his 25 HR power.

If all other position players are equal then the Phillies have an advantage.

Putting that back into the context of your question, if Cardenas can only hit 10 HR as a 3B (and all other aspects of his game are equal to other big league 3B… which isn’t reality but we’re keeping things really simple on this) then the A’s are at a disadvantage and need to find their own Chase Utley at 2B (or another position) to compensate for the lack of pop at 3B. Since finding a Chase Utley is harder to do than finding a basic 3B teams don’t want to start themselves out in a deficit by putting in a below-standards 10 HR 3B.

I hope that explains things rather than muddy the waters.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it does help -- thanks for taking the time.

I guess a corollary might be that good offense is a lot more expensive than good defense. Does that also follow?

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by The Dogfather on May 5, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...and did I mention that you're a ray of sunshine?

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by The Dogfather on May 5, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is what i was thinking

but i didn’t feel like typing it all out. well done grover.

by jlanning17 on May 5, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree

I just foresee much back-and-forth between the “praise his defense and solid offensive numbers” crowd and the “NUH-UH HE DON’T HIT DINGERS” crowd.

I just remembered I love Eric Chavez.

by Joey C. on May 4, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on my generic description of what would be acceptable offense out of a 3B

You’d have a hitter better than Carney Lansford was during the bulk of his A’s career.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone over on the ML ball site compared him favourably with

Michael Young. I’d definately take that out of a third baseman, especially when you consider the alternatives.

by OldhamA on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things Bad Teams Do

If there’s one thing Beane has consistently shown its his blind spot when dealing with Chavez. Cardenas’ tools profile well for 3B. When the Phillies drafted him in the 1st round out of high school they immediately bumped him to 2B even though they had Chase Utley manning the spot in Philly. They did it because they didn’t think he had the range to play SS. BA, BP and Sickels all say the same thing: he doesn’t have the range to play SS in the Show. The Oakland A’s are the only baseball intelligencia that I know of who think Cardenas can play SS in the bigs.

And I think that’s primarily centered around Beane’s continued (and currently unsupported) belief that Chavez can still play 3B in Oakland. If he had had a more pessimistic view on Chavez it is my belief that Cardenas would have moved immediately to 3B upon arrival to the Oakland system.

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by grover on May 4, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that Ben Copeland is playing for Stockton

So far he is 4 for 9, 1 2B, 0BB, 2SO while playing in CF. I recall reading an article stating that Copeland has comparable to speed to Davis. I wonder if Rajai remains on the team until Copeland’s rehab is completed, recalling that Copeland is a Rule V selection and therefore requiring him to be on the 25 roster.

Is Copeland eligble to come off the DL soon or did the A’s place him on the 60-day DL?

I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.

by franks a lot on May 4, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

they can't place him on the 60 day DL

since he’s a Rule 5 pick, if they moved him to the 60-day DL he must be offered back the the Giants.

I imagine they’re considering this to be a rehab assignment.,,, and in fact he’s still listed as being on the 15-day DL.

by OaklandSi on May 4, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, he should just replace Davis

I don’t think he could be worse, could he?

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by mikev on May 4, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not much to add

other than to say I appreciate your efforts, grover.

I’d slap you on the ass and say “good job”, but I have this strange feeling you would not approve.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 4, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just allow 6-8 weeks for delivery

Do we need to send in a SASE?

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-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott

by scatterbrian on May 4, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

our prospects don't get lost on the WAY to Oakland

They get lost once they get here…so no need for SASE…maybe insurance?

by ohmangoAs on May 4, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell happened to Daric Barton?

He succeeded at every level pretty much, and then seemed to flame out last year at the bottom of a swimming pool, which is a seemingly impossible feat.

But really, anyone have insight on this?

by brooklyn24 on May 4, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he had surgery off season on his hip

I’’m wondering whether he’s having a hard time coming back from that.

by OaklandSi on May 4, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know its early

what coleman/christian/earlier thomas are doing in the MWL (BP called the the lowest-scoring league in the minors) have been solid at that level. There is also a large group of prospects that are injured/extended spring that have yet to play this season.
Also i know due to age they are non prospects at this point, but with all these injuries maybe putnam/yung chi chen/everidge might be useful players at some point. maybe putnam can put himself in that 2010 LF mix when Holliday is gone. Putnam has hit in the minors, but its been injuries that cut his seasons short.

by Asfan4ever723 on May 4, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff. Question on De Los Santos?

When is he expected to be back? Last I heard it was June?

Also, does he begin in Stockton or Midland?

by Pucking Insane on May 4, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Last I heard, June and probably Stockton

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by grover on May 4, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DL working overtime in the minors as well

Baseball America…

Oakland Athletics
Recalled: 2B Eric Patterson, 3B Jack Hannahan, SS Gregorio Petit
Added to 40-man roster: RHP Kevin Cameron
Placed on 7-day DL: RHP Daniel Thomas, RHP Tyson Ross, 2B Corey Wimberly
Reinstated from DL: LHP Nick Walters

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on May 4, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Wimberly hurt his wrist, Ross has a sore shoulder and i’m not sure what ails Thomas

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by grover on May 4, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ross....

does it have to do with his funky delivery? Any word on Carignan? Jerome Williams?

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on May 4, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ross has been placed on the DL once already

He was placed on the DL to end last season in the minors. Maybe selecting this guy in round #2 was an overdraft, considering his delivery and it’s likelihood to cause harm to his shoulder and arm.

I’ve read that the A’s have tinkered with Hunter’s mechanics (possibly explaining his slow start in the minors this year), so why has the A’s minor league development brass decided to allow Ross to continue throwing the way he does?

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by franks a lot on May 4, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for this...awesome, as always.

I sure wish the news was better though ;-)

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by baseballgirl on May 4, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's just no pleasing you, is there?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 4, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try looking across the Bay for some inspiration

San Francisco Giants April Prospect Report: Big Prospects, Big Numbers

Why can’t we generate sweet headlines like they get? Yeah, it’s whine like a baby brother time.

"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack

by GoA's on May 4, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Gallagher goes to the bullpen it pretty much counts as stupid

If he’s headed for the rotation its premature.

Blevins has been meh in AAA. He’s the equivalent of calling in the French army for reinforcements.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 4, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with the French army.

You’ve got to feel for Gio – his head must be spinning right now.

by OldhamA on May 4, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The French provide fresh bodies to shoot at.

And that’s what we need.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 4, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody in Oakland with a Weather Report for tonight??

Before I go get on the bus to Bart from Vallejo, I want to be sure they are going to play…Here it looks like rain and the weather eport looks pretty gloomy for tonight, just wondering if it looks bad in Oakland?

There is no A in OFFENSE!!

by wacchampions on May 4, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've watched Travis Banwart pitch many times and I believe

that he is the real deal. He seems to be on the fast track and hope to see him as a 2010 call-up once the rosters are expanded.

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by ohtobe21likehuston on May 4, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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