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My modest proposal to improve the A's

Given the recent hue and cry I thought now might be a decent time to introduce my plan for improving the A’s in the near and long term. Please note that I didn’t say “immediate” improvement, ‘cause that’s not how things should play out. I think any significant move to improve the team immediately would be a Fool’s Errand at best and an epic disaster at worst. There will be a bit more suffering before happiness can be achieved but if my plan works the A’s could have a new, long term answer at 3B by July and the fiscal freedom to pursue significant upgrades next offseason.

 

Oh, and more wins in 2009.

Star-divide

First things first as they say and unfortunately the first thing that must be done is address the Eric Chavez situation. He’s done and he needs to retire. The trouble is Eric doesn’t want to retire because baseball is his career, its how he provides for his family and once he retires there’s no coming back. I don’t care if you’re a multi-millionaire athlete or a construction worker, if you’re a halfway decent man the thought of no longer being able to work and provide for your family is terrifying. The A’s owe Chavez approximately $22.25 million guaranteed over the next 3 seasons and that’s more than enough incentive for a man with a family to try and beat the odds and attempt another comeback.

 

The A’s, and Beane in particular, need to sit Eric down and reach an accommodation. The A’s know how unlikely it is that Chavez could come back from his latest back injury and they don’t want to continue pouring money into a lost cause. My suggestion would be to keep Chavez on the 60 Day DL, thus freeing up a roster slot for Oakland and guaranteeing that Chavez could earn the remaining $7+ million due him this season. The A’s could then buy out Chavez’s remaining year plus option (total: $12 million + $12.5 million/$3 million buy-out) for $6 million, split into two $3 million payments in 2010 and 2011. The sum of the buy-out, including his 2009 wages, would amount to approximately $13.25 million over 3 years. That should placate Chavez and it frees up $9 million the A’s can spend on roster improvement as early as this winter.

 

So how do the A’s go about replacing Chavez? It is clear that Jack Hannahan is not the answer, especially in the long term, as perennial fan favorite Bobby Crosby is seeing more playing time at 3B. The best 3B prospect in the system is Jason Christian, who is currently hitting 241/320/356 for Low-A Kane County. (Translation: There’s reason for optimism but he’s still a couple years away.) There are some veteran 3B being shopped that are under contract/team control through 2010 (or longer) by teams eager to get younger, and frankly, better players into the line-up. The two most frequent names are Colorado’s Garrett Atkins and San Diego’s Kevin Kouzmanoff, and let me make my opinion clear by stating those two players suck and it would be a waste of time and effort to acquire either one… and forget about acquiring the young hotness their respective teams are trying to move into their place in the line-up.

 

My idea is to acquire Pirates prospect Neil Walker, a 23 year old switch hitting 3B currently in his second year of AAA. I’ve already written a rather detailed spiel on why the move could work for the A’s and I have no intention of re-hashing here, but the beauty of the move is the low cost of making the deal. My proposal is a straight up trade of Daric Barton for Walker, as the Pirates are planning to let current 1B Adam LaRoche leave as a free agent next offseason if they don’t trade him in July. The Pirates currently have Andy LaRoche at 3B; he doesn’t even qualify for arbitration until 2011 and is hitting 302/373/423. They also used the 2nd pick in the 2008 draft on college 3B Pedro Alvarez and he’s currently in High-A ball. Simply put, Neil Walker looks to be extremely available because he doesn’t have anywhere else to go in the Pittsburgh organization. My best case scenario for Walker has him turn into an above-average defensive 3B who doesn’t post a high OBP (I’m guessing he sits around .330 in the Show) but hits for a bit of pop. Even if Walker ends up flopping, all it cost the A’s was a player (Barton) who was blocked in Oakland by Giambi and being pushed from behind by River Cat teammate Sean Doolittle and AA Midland’s Chris Carter.

 

Next is to figure out what the A’s have in Sweeney, Buck and Cunningham. Holliday’s a fixture in LF, Cust is the DH and Giambi can cover 1B. That means Sweeney, Buck and Cunningham are fighting for playing time at two positions: CF and RF. Whoever’s playing best gets the most playing time. Someone goes into a slump then whoever was on the bench gets another chance. The goal is to find at least two big league outfielders by the end of 2009, and to see if this current bunch can provide that kind of production. Brace yourself, ‘cause I’m sure this next part will be difficult for a lot of you… this plan means Rajai Davis needs to be let go. Put Davis on the waiver wire and call up Cunningham, then let whoever is healthiest/most productive win the jobs. I would imagine that Cunningham would play CF over Buck should Sweeney find his way to the bench. This would require some line-up juggling on the part of Geren, then again, it’s not like he ever has the same 9 guys healthy on back-to-back nights anyway!

 

So my plan to get the A’s to win more games in 2009 is pretty simple: Trade for Walker, find playing time and production from two of Cunningham, Sweeney and Buck, get Duke healthy and into the rotation by July (or maybe Mazzaro is ready by then) and have all the hitters who’ve been struggling to hit as expected (not counting Crosby here… he’s hitting exactly as expected) to start hitting as expected. Pretty simple, really.

 

What of Holliday and the trade deadline?

 

I’m typically of the opinion that a non-contending team like the A’s should trade a star like Holliday rather than settle for the draft picks, because repeat after me, there is no guarantee that you’ll land the other team’s 1st round pick as compensation for losing a top tier free agent. I’m not feeling that so much in this case. The market has shifted in the last couple years and teams have started to hold on to their very best prospects at the trade deadline. I can respect that, but there are more than a few teams that could use a Matt Holliday bat to make a run at the 2009 post-season and it just so happens that those teams all have a prospect I’m really interested in. So I’m against trading Holliday for a package of 2-3 mid-grade prospects but would pull the trigger if the return netted the A’s an A-grade youngster.

 

The teams that would, in my mind, most benefit from landing Holliday include Atlanta, Tampa, the Cubs and maybe the Mets. From Atlanta I’d want Jason Heyward (even I accept that asking for Hanson is a waste of time) Tampa could part with Desmond Jennings, the Cubs would have to split with Vitters and the Mets need to buy Wilmer Flores a plane ticket West. To any other offers from those teams I’d politely say “No thank you” whilst my warm and fuzzy inner voice would be saying “Go fuck yourself!”. The Braves in particular could use Holliday, as the NL East is once again up for grabs. And if they aren’t willing to part with an A-ball outfielder to land thee best available hitter than I guess they just aren’t going to win the division this year. Please understand, this has nothing to do with the what it cost the A’s to acquire Holliday in the first place… it has everything to do with what I think the 2009 trade market can bear. I’m insisting on a single A-ball player from Atlanta, Chicago and New York, while Tampa would have to part with an AA outfielder that profiles best in LF or CF… positions the Rays have covered through 2010 as is.

 

I would much rather hold on to Holliday all year, butter him up on the idea of staying in Oakland (after he tastes FA, no way does he not try the offseason market) and if worse comes to worse take the draft picks than trade him to someone like the Braves for a package centered around Gorkys Hernandez or crap of his ilk. Go big or go home, which in this case means landing someone like Jason Heyward or settling for a couple draft picks.

 

In case you hadn’t guessed it, I’m penciling in Matt Holliday as the A’s starting LF in 2010. He’s not going to sign an extension, the A’s are going to have to pony up in the FA market with the Yankees and the other big money teams and bid for his services. I think he lands a contract similar to (but not as long as) the 8 year/$180 million deal Teixeira signed with the Yankees. That’s $22 million annual to sign Holliday, for I’m guessing 6 years guaranteed. The obvious question is: Can the A’s afford to spend that kind of money?

 

The simple answer is: Yes.

 

But I’m guessing you’d like to hear a little more detail. I’m more than happy to share my insights on this matter….

 

The next time I post a diary.

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Biggest question for me is health

What’s our plan to keep our team healthy for a year? We were all excited about the team but look at the injuries again. How will we assess Buck if he’s always injured. How can we rely on any 3B option if half of the time the guy’s out. If we had a mediocre team but everyone played healthy and played hard, at least we would compete. I can root for a team even if they are not winning a lot. What kills me is that I don’t even feel like I know this team at all having the players on DL all the time, who are they and who should I root for if we are subbing in AAA players for injuries and getting destroyed night after night?

by asfansince1989 on May 30, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Now two people in the world leave me aching with anticipation.

This person..

And now this one

"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."

by VORP is too nerdy on May 30, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Question...

Does your theory take into account that in 2009, 2010, and 2011 the A’s will be drafting very hight picks and will need to pay them as such?

I’m just wondering because if this year’s draft really bumps up draftees pay then the A’s may need all of your “Chavez” money for draft picks.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on May 30, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good question on the draft picks

MLB is actually looking to lower the recommended slotting for draft picks this year.

Be that as it may, I consider funding the draft and the international pursuit of amateur talent to be of higher importance than the Oakland payroll. I will not sacrifice the amateur budget to sign Holliday.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 30, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You had me until the end

I read your other diary, and the Walker deal you propose sounds reasonable enough, mostly because I’m not very enthused about Barton and the A’s need someone to play third.

Dumping Rajai and playing Cunningham, Buck and Sweeney as much as possible is also sensible, but hardly controversial. Sweeney already plays a lot, and the team needs to see what Cunningham and Buck can do.

You lose me with Holliday, because I don’t think there is any chance that he returns to Oakland. I don’t want to accept low-ceiling players in return, but I think any discussion of Holliday signing with the A’s as a free agent is irrelevant. The money doesn’t matter. Some other team will match whatever the A’s offer, assuming they offer anything, and Holliday will rather go somewhere else.

by bear88 on May 30, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You abandon me too soon, old friend

I can justify the money to Holliday and the why he’d be interested in returning to Oakland.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 30, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be interested in this.

I have nothing solid on which to base my thoughts, but I just don’t see Holliday staying here for any amount of money.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 30, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holliday star power?

OK, i haven’t really been paying attention this year, so tell me about Holliday — just how good is he? Can he really draw people to the park? Can he be that interesting/exciting, or is he just pretty darn excellent but not that much of a “i’m gonna watch another inning because i want to see him bat” kind of guy? does he also have compelling personality and charisma? i know that it doesn’t matter much in terms of wins and losses, but i’m asking about it from a marketing and enthusiasm standpoint..

Hi ho.

by danh on May 30, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This, IMHO.
…or is he just pretty darn excellent but not that much of a "i’m gonna watch another inning because i want to see him bat" kind of guy?

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 30, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That will be an interesting read

Holliday has been nothing special this year. His LD% and HR/f% are way down, and it takes a lot of defense in LF to justify an .800ish OPS bat.

by MrIncognito on May 31, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Real World

Chavez had no desire to retire. Why would he have any desire to retire if he continues to fulfill the obligations of his contract? The effort is there but his body is falling apart. Chavez reminds me of Mo Vaughn & Albert Belle.
Hopefully, the A’s insured his contract for this scenario. He’s going to keep trying to play & collect his paycheck.

3rd Base: Why in the world did the A’s not draft Brett Wallace? The problem would be solved. He’s about ready to make the MLB jump. While Weeks is finally hitting his stride in Low A, he might be ready in about 2011.

In my opinion, the best the A’s can do @ 3rd Base this year is to either allow Cliff Pennington a full opportunity or continue to let Crosby die a slow death & play out his contract.

For every step forward the A’s make this year, they seem to take take two steps backward.

Paddle Faster! I hear banjo music.

by alpine26 on May 30, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Chavez does not wish to retire

I just think the physical reality is it needs to happen.

Dude hurt his back getting out of a chair.

As for insurance, I know teams generally carry some coverage but I’m not sure if they can protect over the whole amount.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 30, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone have the original article

announcing Chavez’s original woes? I seem the remember a quote from him essentially saying that he is probably done.

"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."

by VORP is too nerdy on May 30, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contractual obligations

Chavez isn’t going to be getting paid to play baseball ever again. Unless he’s quite successful in another endeavor, these are the last paychecks he’s ever going to receive. Why would he accept anything less than he’s entitled under his contract?

I understand that it is in the A’s interests to pay him less. Why is it in Chavez’s to take less?

by bear88 on May 30, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no incentive for Chavez, hence why it will never happen.

Would the union even allow it to happen? They threw a fit over A-Rod’s trade and the notion that he might be willing to take a pay cut to make it happen.

But, if the team is interested in winning, and the money is going to be spent regardless, I don’t see why they can’t get or develop another 3B anyway.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 30, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the union would allow this

If Chavez retires tomorrow he essentially voids his contract with the A’s. Oakland cannot force Chavez to be a professional baseball player, although they could control his rights over the length of his existing contract should he retire and then decide to make a comeback. To be honest, I’m not entirely sure how a retirement/come back scenario would work.

But that’s besides the point.

If Chavez retires tomorrow the A’s don’t owe him any more money (unless there’s still signing bonus money to pay out, but that would be a few 100K if there was) which is why Eric will not call it quits in 2009. He will stay on the 60 day DL through the rest of this season and collect his money. He will re-hab in an effort to strengthen his back and get ready and healthy for the 2010 season.

Because is there really any reason to bring him back now if 2009 is a lost cause?

Perhaps I should have said this more explicitly in my original post, but I think Eric Chavez has played his last big league game. I do not think his rehabilitation efforts will succeed, not through a lack of effort on his part but because his body (specifically, his back) will get worse and give out on him. Chavez will be physically unable to play the game of baseball, if he isn’t already.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

salary can not be reduced

per the CBA. Chavez can take nothing if he doesn’t report, but he can’t be bought out for less than his guarantee.

http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

by AgitationStation on May 31, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't copy and paste for some reason

Reading Section IX: Termination pay, specifically under E. Injury seems to justify what I propose, especially if the player is choosing to retire.

I’m not seeing the section you’re reading that says he can’t be bought out. Gimme the section number and I’ll be happy to look at it.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If...

…the player is bought out for full value (or close) I cannot see the union caring. It’s all about the money adding up to them, nothing else.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 31, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

If its for full value. But for precedent purpose, the union won’t let players take a cent less unless they receive something of value in return. Can’t see any incentive for Chavvy or the union to just help the A’s out for particular reason beyond compassion.

by VanderBirch on May 31, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If he were getting more money sooner ...

it might work …

The A’s are obligated to pay Chavez $21m or so (the rest of this year, 2010, buyout) over the next 20 months or so. If they agreed to pay, say $15m now, 20 months ahead of his final buyout payment, the Union might accept it, as he is getting real value and it would save the A’s a few bucks in the medium term, though costing them money in the short term.

Eric Chavez, however, would have no incentive to take any except the smallest depreciation from a buyout …

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by devo on May 31, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only way it will play out in the A's favor

is if Chavez pulls a Mark McGwire and retires out of a personal belief that he would be stealing a paycheck if he didn’t retire.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on May 31, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for reasons beyond the understanding of my black heart and twisted mind

I think Chavez might lean in that direction.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone would do it, he would...

But I don’t think he will…

He’s on a freeroll. The next time his back goes out is surgery time, and since it could go out taking a dump, let alone diving for a grounder, might as well let him play if he can, come July.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 1, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me cynical, but...

…I don’t think the noble idea of not ‘stealing a paycheck’ had anything at all to do with it. I think McGwire retired to salvage what was left of his reputation and avoid the embarrassment of either a failed drug test and/or “suddenly” significantly decreased production.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 31, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He only played half-seasons the prior two years

due to injury, and the results were already going into steep decline. Still, there’s no question what you’re saying is possible as well.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on May 31, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

won't let me c&p either

Section 6© of the Uniform Player’s Contract states that:

“The amount stated in paragraph 2 and in special covenants here of which is payable to the Player for the period stated in paragraph 1 hereof shall not be diminished by any such assignment, except for failure to report as provided in the next paragraph.”

The special covenants refer to the schedule of payments, which can be altered (the player can defer payments.)

I’m not seeing what could justify buyout in section you cite. I’m only seeing there that the player gets his money if he is terminated due to on-field injury, minus whatever he gets from workman’s comp.

by AgitationStation on May 31, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two points...

1) Choosing to outright retire is a little different than what I thought we were talking about. Most players usually only do so if not much money is on the line. Chavez has too much still on the line, I think, for him to consider it.

2) While I do think it is possible that Chavez may try to play again, and might even show up in about a dozen line-ups in said effort, I agree that he is effectively done and you are probably correct that he won’t play again at all.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 31, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind

My proposal makes sure that Chavez gets every cent his contract stipulates he receives in 2009. The buy-out portion of my argument only covers the last two years of the deal, when Chavez is guaranteed $12 million in 2010 and $3 million in 2011. If the A’s have to offer a lump sum payout that covers some portion of that last $15 million in the 2009-2010 offseason than the math still works to keep Holliday at $22 million annual.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I emailed Jeff Euston

He’s the fellow who runs Cot’s (very nice guy btw). Don’t think he’d mind me excerpting…

“Generally, you’re right. If a player has a guaranteed deal, he gets the money under section 6c of the standard contract.

But a club can get out from under a deal, as long as both the player and the union agree. That requires the player to get something else of value – usually more money or immediate free agent via his release."

So the big problems with a Chavez buyout are that the player’s union would have to approve, and the A’s would have to offer something else of value, and because of Chavez’s injury (which makes immediate free agency useless), I have no idea what that could be. And the union isn’t going to let Chavez leave money on the table because he feels guilty. The A’s may be able to get out from a million or two with immediate payment, but seven or eight? No freaking way.

by AgitationStation on May 31, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting....thanks for the info A-Station.

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by mrod on May 31, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent info... thanks.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on Jun 1, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear what you're saying

But if Chavez chose to retire tomorrow the A’s wouldn’t have to pay out the remainder of his contract and there’s nothing the union could do to stop him. So with that in mind, it makes sense to me that if Chavez decides to retire after the 2009 season (spent on the 60 Day DL) because he’s physically unable to play and accepted a buy-out from the A’s rather than spend 2010 on the 60 Day DL collecting a paycheck, then I just don’t see how the Players Union could object. It would be a PR nightmare for them, trying to bully an injured player into attempting a comeback just so he could collect a few (million) more bucks when his own team is offering a generous golden parachute.

Now, there are a couple kickers here that need addressing:

1) I don’t think Chavez is ready to hang ‘em up. Which is different from what I’m saying, which is he’s toast. I truly believe he’s done and am expecting something to go wrong during his latest re-hab. I think Eric is like a former champion prize fighter, who’s had his day but can’t cut it in the ring anymore and he needs his manager to convince him to quit before he hurts himself.

Beane needs to convince Chavez to let it go.

2) I think devo and a few other voices are right, my original $6 million proposal is too low. I need to bump it to at least $9 million (to cover the $15 million owed 2010-2011). So… consider it bumped.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jun 1, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems to me that the way for Beane

to convince Chavez to let it go is to cut him. Nothing says “you’re done” like DFA.

What’s the point of a buyout? It’s only the right thing to do if it’s fair to both sides, and if it’s fair to both sides, where’s the gain? If he’s done, just let him go.

Chavvy needs to hang it up before he cripples himself for life. Surely it’s easier to convince him of this if you’re not trying to bilk him out of the rest of his contract.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 2, 2009 5:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I occasionally root for fair

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jun 2, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll respond to this in my reply to your comment below

Just to keep things a little better organized.

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by grover on May 31, 2009 5:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eleven Million Dollars buys alot of milk.

In all honesty, I think Chavez went downhill when he agreed to a contract that was the number of the beast. 66.Six Million. He should have agreed to a 66.5 Million dollar contract. His whole career would have been different. I jest.
I believe Holliday can start packing his bags. He’s going to get traded before July 31st. Atlanta is the perfect place for him. The question is who do we get in return. Do they have any players who resemble Chuckie Thomas, Juan Cruz & Danny Meyer?

Paddle Faster! I hear banjo music.

by alpine26 on May 30, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wallace

he’s not exactly tearing up AA/AAA. IMO wallace and carter are comparable at the moment.
wallace value is all tied up into his bat. I expect weeks to end the season in AAA and is off to a great start in stockton so far

by Asfan4ever723 on May 30, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Defer

Wallace is hitting .259 @ Louisville through May 30th. Still, he would be a great option to have right now.

Paddle Faster! I hear banjo music.

by alpine26 on May 30, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh, wrong

wallace is a better prospect than carter and will be when all is said and done as well

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on May 30, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not if he cant stick at 3b, which is very much in the air.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

carter is a DH last i heard

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Jun 1, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a 1B last I heard

In fact, last I heard he was handling 1B ok. Has that changed? (My info isn’t especially current.)

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by Nico on Jun 1, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe DFA meant Wallace won't stick at 3b

The Carter to 3b is over. And I had heard Carter was average at 1b. Total Zone thinks he’s slightly below average.

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by vignette17 on Jun 1, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everything about Wallace not sticking at 3B is about his weight.

If he stays in shape, he’ll be able to stick there, at least for the beginning of his big league career.

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by mikev on Jun 1, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction

it’s because he has the thickest legs in history. i used to play against him in high school…the guy’s lower half makes jeremy brown look thin.

but he is the purest hitter i have ever seen. prettiest swing, power to all fields. i wish we drafted him so badly.

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by flipgatey3 on Jun 1, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no i knew what he meant

i just would rather see wallace play third for a season in the bigs first before everyone jumps to conclusions. he looked fine at asu when i watched their games…much, much better than all the scouting reports (of “terrible”). he’s no brandon inge or david wright on defense, but his bat makes up for it.

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by flipgatey3 on Jun 1, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Carter could end up playing RF or 1b and doing so at at least average levels.

I think Wallace will play bad defense at 3b. Will it be 15 runs bad? Will it be Garret Atkinson/Ryan Braun bad? I don’t know, I don’t have that kind of data. If the runs Wallace costs on d + 15 – Runs Carter saves at 1b > 0 then yes Wallace is a better prospect.

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by designatedforassignment on Jun 1, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i understand

i mean all we have is gut feelings and scout’s thoughts for now…i just feel like wallace was worth it. if i’m wrong i’m wrong, and there are thousands of other players out there. just seeing him swing the bat, you see something there. i don’t know.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Jun 1, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough...

I like this assessment:

i just feel like wallace was worth it. if i’m wrong i’m wrong
Im not saying that passing on Wallace was a good decision, I personally think Carter will wind up as good or better.

I could just as well be wrong.

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by designatedforassignment on Jun 3, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Pennington can't stick in the majors at third.

I think we should trade Cabrera and let him try short, since his bat has a shot at being acceptable there.

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by jeepers on May 31, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

His bat will make people scream for Bobby Crosby... its that bad.

I could see him posting a 600 OPS in full time duty. Currently in AAA he is benefiting from luck to the tune of a .660 OPS. In AAA. He will never be a MLB starting caliber player unless he takes more roids than Bonds or is abducted by aliens and replace with someone who while looking exactly the same is actually good at baseball.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know he's never going to hit for power.

He can slug .300, and that would be just fine with me. If he can replicate his minor league OBP, though, he could be useful, if his glove is as good as advertised, and if he can steal 30 bases a year.

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by jeepers on May 31, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well there are several problems.

1 slugging 300 is highly likely for Moneypenny 2 It will be impossible to maintain his minor league OBP if he can’t slug more than 300. 3 His glove in a very small sample size sucked a lot.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree the odds aren't in his favor.

However, Cabrera isn’t doing anything (.570 OPS) so compelling that it wouldn’t be worth giving him a shot. If Moneypenny can replicate Alan Wiggins in his prime, he wouldn’t be useless. As you say, we don’t know enough about his glove to know if he’ll be worth it, but given our options, it’s worth a try. The same can be said of Gregorio Petit, and if it’s preferable to give him that shot first, that’s fine with me.

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by jeepers on May 31, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pennington and Wiggins

Aside from the coke addiction, Wiggins was a converted OF who was a mediocre 2B. If Pennington fielded like Wiggins, he’d be out of baseball.

As a hitter, it’s not a bad comparison, although I don’t think there’s much reason to see Pennington stealing 60 or 70 bases like Wiggins did before the coke got to him. Wiggins was also SLGing in the .300s in the early ‘80s, when that wasn’t so ridiculous — there was a lot less scoring and slugging in the game then, especially in the NL West. Playing half your games in old Jack Murphy (which was a bad HR park) plus a lot of games in the Astrodome, Dodger Stadium, and Candelstick meant that you didn’t get many cheap homers. And it was harder to steal 70 bases then because teams had catchers who could throw.

Still, if Pennington did somehow figure out how to OBP .330, play very good defense at SS, and become an intimidating basestealer, he’d clearly be worth having on the team.

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by Nick on May 31, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Petit has greater potential than Moneypenny

Pennington’s MLE’s suggest a .275 slugging.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree,

his defense is better IMO plus Pennington simply will not walk if he can’t hit the ball out of the ballpark.

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by travdog6 on May 31, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although,

I’m looking at Jason Kendall’s stats with the A’s now, and he did walk at a pretty decent rate (except 2007) in spite of his poor slugging numbers. So it is possible that Pennington could sustain a decent OBP, it just isn’t likely with his lack of power.

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by travdog6 on May 31, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he rarely struck out.

If you can make contact with basically everything that’s a strike, you can still walk.

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by jeepers on Jun 1, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Holliday want to stay?

Bad Stadium, small crowds, worst year of his career, pitchers park. Doesn’t sound like the place a Free Agent slugger would want to go to.

As for Chavez, no way you can buy him out for $6 million. Half of that is already guarenteed in his buyout for his option, anyways. And he can get it all just by being on the DL the entire time. I think $10 million might do it, if you are lucky. But otherwise, you have to ask if the A’s would not save more money by just DLing Chavez for the rest of this year and 2010, then doing his buyout, and collecting the insurance money.

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by Zonis on May 30, 2009 9:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You could be right

But call it a gut call or muppet intuition, I don’t think Chavez wants to milk the A’s like that.

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by grover on May 30, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Milking

The A’s signed Chavez to a contract that was perceived, at the time, as a pretty good deal for the team. He was a gold-glove third baseman who hit for power and was entering the prime of his career. The boss who signed him compared him favorably to Barry Bonds at the same stage of his career.

I think Chavez and the A’s have made mistakes in handling his injuries. But even if I’m right, there is no claim that Chavez is not trying his best to get back onto the field, or perform as well as possible once there.

Further, Chavez is a high school graduate (no college) with long-term back problems and a family to support.

He’s not milking the A’s. He suffered a string of injuries that have cut short his career and threaten his long-term health. And now he’s going to have to find another less-lucrative career. It might seem noble to take less money than he is entitled to, but Chavez would be a fool to do so.

by bear88 on May 30, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not go all Latrell Spreewell here.

Unless Chavez is a financial idiot, I don’t think supporting his family will ever be an issue.

Having said that, while I have no doubt Chavez is a fair guy, I’d never suggest he or anybody walk away from guaranteed money like that.

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by UncleLeo on May 30, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A contract is something where both sides agree to give something up

Chavez gave up a chance to get more than $66million over a six year period, and the A’s gave up $66million. Why is it greedy for Chavez to ask the A’s to give up what they gave up, when Chavez still has to give up what he gave up?

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by Nico on May 30, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Generally, all the "giving up" is done beforehand in the negotiation stage...

…and that is still legally enforceable, though in baseball players rarely give a second thought to seeking to scrap an existing contract and wanting a renegotiation if they’re playing exceptionally well. But, God forbid that a team want to renegotiate if a player fails to play up to expectations. Not just a little hypocritical, but it’s the system as is.

What does have to do with your post? It demonstrates why I feel that teams are idiots for ever agreeing to guaranteed contracts with so much money at stake. The A’s voluntarily gave up their right to demand performance in exchange for the money. Idiotic, but all the teams do it.

While I think employers (read: teams) are idiots for agreeing to stuff like that, I’d sign a contract like that in a heartbeat if someone was stupid enough to agree to it.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
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by UncleLeo on May 30, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PLayers can’t “scrap” an existing contract unless it is negotiated. Is there someone other that Alex Rodriguez that has done that? I think in the NFL the CBA allows for renegotiating, but I don’t know anything about soccer so i can’t comment.

UNless there is something unforseeable in a professional baseball player getting injured and thus unable to perform the contract obligations the employer is stuck. THere is nothing unforseaable about a a person getting hurt. If there were a war that destroyed all of baseball but the oakland A’s and eric chavez, then you may be able to scap the contract.

Performance disincentives are what you seem to be talking about. I would guess there is a provision against it in the CBA, and no agent would allow a player to sign that kind of contract.

by Future Ed on May 31, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keith Foulke signed with Cleveland

for $1million, then retired after spring training. He retired, because he could not pitch effectively. So he saved Cleveland some money with his unilateral action.

Then he “unretired” and signed with the Athletics about ten months later.
He didn’t do so well coming back, but that is apart from the “retire” and “un-retire” episode.

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by One won lost won on May 31, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about the reverse situation where

players seek to void a contract in favor of getting a better one. that can’t happen unless there is a Rodriguez type clause.

Keith folke sounds nuts.

by Future Ed on May 31, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pay Chavez every red cent of his contract ...

he’s been a waste of friggin’ money “on the field”, he might as well be the same off it. What a colossal f’ up that contract was … I don’t give a rip about injuries, I don’t give a damn how nice a guy he is. We got screwed, and we’ll continue to get it, thank you very much, until he’s off the books for good.

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by Vacafan on May 30, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please explain how we got "screwed"

Players get injured. Sometimes those injuries end careers. Things like that are usually called “bad luck.” To the extent Chavez’s injuries pre-existed the contract, well, the A’s either figured that into their negotiations or else they should have done so. In any event, no one here got screwed.
As for whether he’s been a waste of money, I can’t answer that. I agree that it’s been a disappointment. But I have a hunch that if (1) you worked in an industry involving a high and inherent risk of injury, and (2) you and your employer reached an agreement under which you could get paid the full amount set forth in the contract, you (just like the rest of us) would take the full amount.

by Ray of Lite on May 31, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, lets define terms.

“Screwed” (in my opinion) means we gave the biggest contract in Oakland history to a guy and then got very little in return. If you prefer “bad luck”, fine. Then we had unbelievably horrible, really, really, bad luck.

I’m interested to hear how or why “you can’t answer” the question whether Chavez has been a waste of money?! Seems to me the answer is painfully obvious. Hell, yes, it was a waste of money … are you kidding me?!

Again, this doesn’t make Chavez a bad guy. I find it laughable that so many on this site rush to defend/protect him whenever the issue of his contract is brought up. It’s almost as if you hesitate to say “it’s been a disappointment.” Like, “heaven forbid I say anything mean about Eric Chavez, because, you know, he’s been such an incredible player for us for so long, and I just really wonder if he’ll ever be able to pick up his little baby boy, or make enough to support his family ever again …”

Yes, Eric Chavez is a great guy. Yes, Eric Chavez played incredible defense for us. Yes, it’s a shame Eric Chavez got hurt. But you can say those things and still state some different facts just as true. Yes, we gave the biggest contract in Oakland history to a guy and got almost nothing in return (whose “fault” it is isn’t important). Yes, Chavez has been one gargantuan, unbelievably huge FAIL since he got paid. Yes, our team has been hampered and will continue to be hurt because of his big contract.

So, by all means, like I said above … give Chavez his money. He does just as much “for us” on his friggin’ couch than he does for us “on the field.”

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by Vacafan on May 31, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screwed implies that someone actively did something to cause a negative outcome ...

there has to be someone at fault and/or a bad guy … you don’t just magically “get screwed” someone has to screw you in order to return that outcome …

The point is, the fact that the contract has not worked out is perfectly obvious to anyone who follows the team. It has not worked out. Period, end of discussion, done. We all know that and no one would question it.

The way in which you wrote your earlier post, though, very clearly implied that Eric Chavez was actively doing something to hurt the A’s. While you sort of backtrack quite a bit in this post, it is pretty clear whey people who agree that the Chavez contract has been a disappointment (everyone) would take issue with the earlier post.

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by devo on May 31, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you're right, I'm bitter.

Have you ever watched a football game and uttered the words “Don’t give it to Jones, cuz he’ll fumble on the goal-line.” You really don’t know it as fact, of course, you’re just really afraid it’ll happen. Then, when Jones actually fumbles, you’re furious.
I kind of feel that way about Chavez. When I watched him in 1999, I thought he may be the best pure hitter I’d ever seen. I watched him hit the ball all over old Tiger Stadium one road trip … to the deepest parts of the park where only Reggie Jackson, Al Kaline, and Willie Horton hit it. Opposite field power, too. Just unbelievable talent. I thought, and still do, that had he had the talent to one day be in the HOF, easy.
Then, slowly but surely, it disappeared. Perhaps the injuries played a factor, I don’t know … I do know that he stopped using left and center field and began trying to pull everything.
Then, to top it off, it never seemed like he gave a damn. I know he did, he didn’t show it like I might have, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t care. But I wanted to see him as frustrated as me, and I never saw it.
So, there you have it. I’m more pissed things didn’t work out than I am at Chavez, personally. And I know that if I ever met him, I’d shake his hand and wish him well. But for now, I’m pissed. I’m pissed we kept him, I’m pissed it didn’t work out, and I’m pissed he’s finished. Most of all, I’m pissed the A’s didn’t win a title with him, because that’s all that matters to me.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on May 31, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well put

cough jeff kent cough

by Future Ed on May 31, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

excellent comment

by Faust on May 31, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's a business

and I’m sure the A’s will call in their chits from the insurance agency, just like Baltimore did on Albert Belle.

It’s not like an unprecedented situation to have a player not fulfill a multi-year contract. It may appear to you that he “doesn’t give a damn” because you aren’t on the airplane flights, the locker-room, etc. I am 100% certain the FO knows =exactly= who gives a “damn” and who is playing out the string on any particular roster, year in, year out.

Look at the Cubs and their starting rotation a few years back, signed to big bucks and it all blew up. At least the A’s got something in Chavez.

"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully

by One won lost won on May 31, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been away all afternoon, so I couldn't respond

However, devo, Nick and One won lost won pretty much covered everything I would have said (in a more detailed and informed way than I could have).

As for my comment that I can’t answer whether Chavez has been a waste of money, that was a very ill-chosen phrase on my part. What I really meant was, I can’t make you feel or not feel that he’s been a waste of money. There have been any number of threads on this very topic, and many if not all of the same arguments are repeated over and over. If you choose to remain bitter despite all of the arguments as to why Chavez did not screw the A’s, as to why he may not be a self-loathing worm lacking all sense of leadership, as to why it might have been reasonable to wait as long as he did before undergoing surgery, etc., then so be it.

by Ray of Lite on May 31, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing is missing here.

All this talk is about Chavez signing for 66m to play baseball for 6 years for the A’s. The problem is he isn’t playing baseball and really hasn’t at all for over two years. I am sure there must be a clause or two in the agreement that if a player can no longer play then the team has the right to void the remaining part of his contract.

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by Eastbayjim on May 31, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be sure ...

but you’d be wrong … (unless, of course, the reason he can’t play is something similar to the reason Michael Vick can’t play or the reason Manny Ramirez can’t play) As long as he continues to put in a good faith effort to try to get back on the field, he is fulfilling his contractual obligations.

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by devo on May 31, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YUP

There is no “performance measure” in any of the MLBPA contracts. Look at all the dough Mike Hampton collected, and I think even I threw more pitches a couple of those years (in my backyard) than Hampton, and he collected a TON of money nonetheless.

I am certain the insurance premiums on MLB contracts are exceptionally high, but, like grumbling about paying $1200-$2000 per year for car insurance as “robbery” pales in comparison to paying out $x,x00,000 in liability claims, for falling asleep and hitting a busload of graduating brain surgeons on their way to commencement.

"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully

by One won lost won on May 31, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, damn you!

Now who’s going to repair my brain after all the drinking the A’s have been driving me to lately! I was counting on those brain surgeons!

by Faust on May 31, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When someone named "Faust" says, "Damn you!", you ought to take it seriously!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm agreeing with you, Mephistopheles

I’m squintin’ at the picture…that is you, isn’t it??

Meph…er, “Nick”??

Please, Faust, that was strictly hyperbole, and not a “true outcome”.

"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully

by One won lost won on May 31, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He got hurt working for the employer,

the employer who signed a guaranteed contract with him, and who knew he was hurt and decided not to DL him to make him sit and heal.

The A’s don’t like paying him the money they agreed to guarantee him after he ruined his back, for the rest of his life, helping them win ball games? Tough shit.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may need spinal fusion

but then again, he may or may not have ruined his back for the rest of his life.

Backs are very difficult. I myself fell to the floor in paralyzing pain, once pulling a bedspread, once reaching for a piece of paper from the printer. Really, really gasping for breath pain. That was in my early 30’s. Twenty-plus years later, and I occasionally get pain from lifting wrong/too heavy, but only because I cannot afford the gym. Doing correct lower-back strengthening on specific machines IS A WONDER.

In one survey of people’s backs, they found no correlation for “bulging disks” and pain. Some people with incredible disk bulges felt fine, no pain, while people with chronic pain had no discernible irregular structures.

An ongoing conundrum…

"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully

by One won lost won on May 31, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're not discussing whether everyone with Chavez's disc issues suffers from lots of pain

we’re discussing whether Eric Chavez does. And it’s clear that he does, despite tons of rehab, and chiropractic treatment, and previous surgery. He’s also said that doctors have told him that he will definitely need spinal fusion surgery in 10 to 15 years. That right there is permanent damage, and to me constitutes ruining his back for the rest of his life. The fact that surgeons are able to perform major, invasive surgery on his back to give him one, big, lumbar vertebra so that he’s not in excruciating pain 24/7 hardly refutes the assertion that his back is pretty much ruined.

And, again, he did that playing for the A’s. Who knew he had back and shoulder problems. And who decide who goes on the DL, and when (q.v., Travis Buck being on the DL now despite saying he’s healthy enough to play).

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not attempting to refute your assertions

I do speculate, given what we all can see about his back condition…

…why does Eric Chavez believe, and state, that he can return and even come close to contributing a performance equal to an average average average hitter and fielder???

"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully

by One won lost won on May 31, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that

“after he ruined his back” he very, very, very, very rarely ever “helped them win ball games.” Basically, with Eric Chavez, it’s been “tough shit” for A’s fans, that’s for sure.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on May 31, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And before he ruined his back

he was a terrific player being paid $250,000 a year, which was way, way, way less than he earned for the A’s.

You can’t judge the CBA system for salaries by taking isolated snapshots. The two sides negotiated the deal as a whole, and the idea is for the whole thing to balance out, more or less.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great comment

After reading it I am convinced that the Athletics FO should sign a very good FA to a multi-hundred-million dollar long-term contract because most of the fans want it and seriously believe that the FO does not care unless that’s what happens. The risks be damned!

by LowcountryJoe on May 31, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My internet connection keeps crapping out on me

I do want to reply to this later, though.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

chavez money

if i understand you correctly, he’s owed 7 for this year, 12 for next and 3 for the option year, for a total of $22M, or 15 after this year. If we are offering him to be free to play and earn elsewhere in 2010 and 2011, how much is that worth to him; how much less than $15 would he willing to take to have that freedom? If any of us were advising him, we’d say don’t take less than $14.9 or so. And for the A’s, how much they’d be willing to pay to settle for 2010 and 2011 would also depend on what they would collect from the insurance company should he be unable to play those years..
Do you think Chavez would have any interest in managing one day? Beane could offer him Geren’s job. That might be worth something to Chavez because if he turns out to be a successful manager, he would gain experience and have the basis for his next career. I know, I know, most of you would not want to sacrifice Geren to save some money on Chavez…
Of course, if Chavy’s money has been handled properly, he should have the option of living comfortably without ever working again..

Hi ho.

by danh on May 30, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!

Fire Geren and pay Chavez $22 million to manage.

by scromulus on May 30, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A "Lou Boudreau" -kind of setup

Who was the last “player-manager”?

"Losing feels worse than winning feels good." Vin Scully

by One won lost won on May 31, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pete Rose, and before him, Frank Robinson, IIRC

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be very interesting to haveChavez manage.

I’d really enjoy him, in one of his moments of candid honesty, tell the players and press that he thought that the other teams in the division were definitively better than the team he manages.

by LowcountryJoe on May 30, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that he can't write out the lineup today, but hopes to by Friday.

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, we do need a new manager.

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by UncleLeo on Jun 1, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is...

winning a few more games in 2009 may not matter. If the A’s want to break even at .500… they need to go 63-52 for the rest of the season.. a .547 winning percentage. Can this group do that? A healthy duke could go a long way, and a lot of hitters are slumping and bound to bounce back (Holliday.. Giambi.. Cust.. Cabrera)..

What I’m amazed by is the sheer number of players that seem to be injured on the A’s, and the number of players that seem to slump when they come to Oakland. Is it necessarily the players that are the problem, or could the Oakland staff be a large part of the problem?

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by VORP is too nerdy on May 30, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But who's REALLY underperforming?

Holliday was a Coors Field hitter, Giambi is an old, declining former (hee hee) steroid user, Cust is hurt, and nobody really expected OCab to be a great hitter. You don’t need to look for exotic explanations for this performance. Any one of them – and all of them – can be explained with normal performance expectations.

Re the injuries, I would guess that there is something wrong with the A’s training regimen, and maybe with the medical staff as well. But that’s hard to tell.

I do think Holliday and Giambi will hit better, and Cust will be back to his old self soon. Not sure about OCab, but I wouldn’t rule out an improvement there.

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by eastcoasta'sfan on May 31, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why neil walker?

if you’re looking for an okay, not so great 3b in the upper minors that wont cost barton

freese
craig
antonelli
hodges
marte- has had a AAA resurgence., might not be legit but i dont think shapiro would demand much
dewitt
fields (white sox seem to be fast tracking beckham)
murphy- mets, solid hitter w/ o a position, that might be available in the right deal
i would even inquire pirates on laroche, the pirates are in no position to limit their trade options

by Asfan4ever723 on May 30, 2009 9:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why Walker...

Freese is hurt.

Craig is kinda/sorta in the 3B mix for the Cards this year and it would cost more to get a guy St. Louis thinks it needs.

Antonelli hit less than Walker did last year and is currently sporting a 152/222/197 batting line in 2009.

Hodges is by most accounts a bad defensive 3B, his current OPS is almost 80 points lower than Walker’s… and he’s on the DL.

Marte isn’t for real.

DeWitt’s an idea.

I imagine Fields or Murphy would cost a Hell of a lot more than Daric Barton.

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by grover on May 31, 2009 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss Carney...

Maybe he can give Jared some tips and convert him to 3B. Then we would have some of that Lansford mojo back at the hot corner!

by the_rozeboom on May 31, 2009 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Walker doesn't happen

how would you feel about Holliday for Murphy?

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by Nick on May 31, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure Murphy is a 3B, scouting reports are mixed

And I’m afraid I’ve got to head in to work, so I’m leaving it to you to back the idea that Murphy can play 3B.

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by grover on May 31, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We already tried Donnie Murphy at 3rd!

Is he still playing in the minors??

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by One won lost won on May 31, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a trade that I would support if it was Murphy +

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

they all have some issues, walker isnt any better or worse IMO

not a barton fan at all, but i wouldnt give him up for walker.
i dont think it would take much to pry him away.

by Asfan4ever723 on May 31, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you might be right

that it wouldn’t take too much for walker. if that’s the case, why not?

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by flipgatey3 on Jun 1, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

8 years at $180 million -- the Athletics can do that?

I’m sorry, but, if you think that the 6/66 is painful at year number three and beyond for a small market team to deal with, imagine a an albatross that contract will be if there’s an injury or an off year. I am itching to find out what Tex and C.C. will look like in just a few years. Remember a couple of Giambi’s years. Remember Albert Belle, Chan Ho Park, Kevin Brown, etc.?

The Athletics do not draw like the Yankees, Dodgers, or Red Sox and probably would not for almost an entire season even if they had the same players [and the money to sign them].

by LowcountryJoe on May 30, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

how's barton doing this year out in sac?

i actually totally forgot about him.

Hi ho.

by danh on May 30, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Terrible at the start of the year, evidently trying to pull everything

but over the last 3 or 4 weeks he’s hitting at a more normal clip. Overall numbers still pretty much suck, though.

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by Nick on May 31, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's been good lately

But he struggled mightily at the start of the season. I still think he’ll get it together.

by MrMoneyBaller on Jun 1, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have very great doubts as to whether half a season of Holliday

would be even remotely appealing enough to the Braves such that they’ll be willing to give up Heyward.

by Tripp on May 30, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What if WE also throw in Crosby?

Think that would be enough. But if we had Keith Ginter still, they’d do the deal in a heart beat and probably send Escobar our way as well.

by LowcountryJoe on May 30, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better for them, of course!

Come to think of it, I don’t think that we’re getting equal value back in that deal given Crosby’s Gammon-styled coat tails. We’d definitely need to get Chipper or McCann along with Hanson in return.

by LowcountryJoe on May 31, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walker's numbers don't really suggest he'd hit better than Hannahan,

which is saying something. The guy went .242/.280/.416 last year. And it seems doubtful his glove would be better, since Hannahan is quite good defensively.

Of course you were right about Zimmerman, although I still think the price was too high.

I would be willing to make a strong play Alex Gordon, but a key obstacle to this may be that the Royals are no longer competing in a month. I’m not sure what their most pressing needs are, but I’d be willing to go as far as Holliday plus a prospect, or a couple meh prospects. In fact, there are a few guys I’d be willing to give them for free.

I don’t think committing $180 million to Holliday is a good idea because corner outfielders should continue to be available cheaply for at least the next two or three years: Abreu, Anderson, Ankiel, Bay, Burrell, Byrnes, Crawford, Crisp, Damon, Dunn, Dye, Giles, Guerrero, Guillen, Holliday, Adam Jones, Matsui, Nady, Werth, and probably Ordonez will be available over the 2010/2011offseasons. Plus the A’s have a few prospects of their own.

Committing that kind of money to a corner outfielder while SS and 3B continue to languish seems a bit short sighted to me. I know that you should get elite players where you can, and I know that Holliday is young, and is possessed of a skill set that tends to age well, but SS/3Bs are scarce right now, and the A’s are going to have to bite the bullet and address these needs sooner or later, even if it mean overpaying. So I think there are better ways of allocating resources than Holliday – Hardy, for one.

by scromulus on May 30, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Committing that kind of money to players is something only the largest market teams can do, period.

anything over $15 million on one player for multiple years is dangerous for a team that gets so little back from its paying fan base.

by LowcountryJoe on May 30, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would also prefer the A's not committ that much money to one player

but if they must, I’d prefer they do so in a way that not only adds an elite bat, but also addresses a long-term positional need and considers which parts of the market are hot/cold. Hardy, as a 28 year old 4+ WAR shortstop in his FA year, seems like the only guy who could conceivably fit this criteria to me. Although the fact that he’s a free agent at the same time as Derek Jeter probably means he’s not coming to the A’s.

by scromulus on May 30, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping we were going to get to eat the A's players' children.

You’re a tease, grover.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 30, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I mean, seriously

This is the second time I’ve seen the phrase “modest proposal” in a fan post this season, and I have yet to see anything close to advocating the devouring of children. This will not stand, people.

Remember when we were talking all that mess about contending in 2010? I miss that optimism.

by Joey C. on May 31, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With free sauerkraut, I assume

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by Nick on May 31, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if we were eating the offspring of A's,

Lew’d not part with free sauerkraut.

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by Leopold Bloom on May 31, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank god I was waiting for that...

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Normally I'm with you but this time...no to your first idea

Neil Walker is interesting but not for Barton. Barton was a better prospect than Carter or Doolittle and people are already giving up on Dale for the latter two. Walker is in no world worth Barton. I’d go after Freese, Marte, Craig, or MacPherson before Walker if the price was Barton. Andy Laroche perfectly illustrates your point. He’s a guy who everybody was giving up on because of a small sample of Travis Buck-itis (play him one day, sit two until he’s in a 2-20 slump and you wonder why). Barton should get another chance. He has great plate discipline and may never have HR power, but he could still be John Olerud. Barton is the type of experiment that a losing team needs to take.

Cunningham and Buck should play everyday, agreed. Although Cunningham still needs some AAA seasoning.

A buyout for Chavez (if he agrees) could be worth it.

I could see an argument for re-signing Holliday. I might rather chase Beltre for much less money and about the same upgrade. And I highly doubt the Braves would part with Heyward (he’s a better prospect than Hanson). Flores is a personal favorite. Vitters is getting pretty close to untouchable. Jennings isn’t the same class of prospect. If the A’s are dealing with Tampa perhaps something around Jennings and Brignac could work. All those deals are expensive of course (which is again what you stated you wanted). I agree that Beane has a lot of leverage. A lot more teams will be gunning for Holliday than were for Teixeira last year.

On another note, the A’s MUST trade OCab. They agreed not to offer arb to him. The only options are keep him and get nothing or trade. Maybe a package with Holliday? Holliday+OCab for Moosetacos? Holliday and OCab for Yunel? OK, I’m rosterbating into fantasies. Looking forward to your next diary.

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by vignette17 on May 31, 2009 12:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Beltre bounces back I'd love to have him.

But right now his bat is terrible. Like, worse-than-the-A’s kind of terrible.

by scromulus on May 31, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes him a great target

A youngish player who has a single season that’s significantly different from his career norm is the perfect sign.

by MrIncognito on May 31, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like beltre

he’ll has someting to prove, just like his walk year for the dodgers

by Future Ed on May 31, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Walker

Yeah, Walker is not a guy you trade anything terribly significant for. He may not be quite as bad as his raw numbers, due to low BABIP, but he’s had low BABIP his entire career, and to just attribute that to bad luck is most likely incorrect. There’s a very good chance he’s deficient at most/all the variables that make up BABIP, other than line drive percentage (see the THT article). Walker has had exactly one above average season in the minors. Not coincidentally, it was the one season when he showed better than horrible plate discipline. He would probably walk 5% of the time in the bigs right now, and he doesn’t have near the skill set to succeed at that range. That said, if they can get Walker for a song, by all means it’s a good idea. He’s got the pedigree and is showing some nice pop this season. That alone puts him one up on the A’s current Sacto crew.

by AgitationStation on May 31, 2009 4:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OCab is definitely a guy to trade to a panicking contender

In fact, I could imagine the A’s calling up the Rays and reminding them that Cabrera can play 2B as well as SS. They’d have to be in contention for that to make sense, however. It’s a little grim for the A’s front office to play ambulance chasers, but when you’ve got a veteran SS and you’re not going anywhere, its the sensible thing to do.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great - now I root for ambulance chasers!

What might a package of Holliday and Cabrera to the Rays fetch? Hmm…

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Siesta Key condos?

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by Leopold Bloom on May 31, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The marketing department should get on this ASAP

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by Ray of Lite on May 31, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you want to trade for LaRoche and sign Beltre?

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by brenarlo on May 31, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The A's could afford Holliday

if they stop shuffling players between Sacto and Oakland twice a day, and then take the money they save on gas and use it on Holliday.

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by travdog6 on May 31, 2009 3:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cost isn't a problem

I think they make the RiverCats hitchhike when they get the call up to the Show.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how about...

train barton how to play third? if there is any hope he’ll learn to hit, use him there.

by cwmartin on May 31, 2009 7:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How about "Hey Kid, you wanna play in the big leagues, start working on grounders at third base."

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by mikev on May 31, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

How about "Hey Kid, do ya wanna buy a monkey?"

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 1, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man, do I hate them fancy lads.

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by Leopold Bloom on Jun 1, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!!!

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by adragon on Jun 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still want to see the link on this

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot or diving into the shallow end of the pool. You do what the team asks of you.

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by vignette17 on May 31, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh sweet Buddha

It’s been at least a year since that blurb was printed, I’ve got no idea where to look anymore. If I had to hazard a guess I’d say a Slusser article.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looks like Travton Buckley is going to solve the Rajai Davis problem for you.

I agree with the idea of trading for a third baseman, too. However, I think the A’s should trade whichever of Barton, Doolittle or Carter will net them the greatest return. The A’s are going to need to be willing to give up something of value to get a real solution for third base.

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by jeepers on May 31, 2009 8:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Losing teams should not trade away minor leaguers with a very good reason

The A’s should hold on to all three, knowing that most prospects flame out and if you have three of them you have a much better shot of having at least one good player come out of the deal.

The last thing we should do is get rid of any prospects for any reason unless it’s massive to our advantage.

by MrIncognito on May 31, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good diary, I have one objection...

and that is about the Cubs potentially being interested in Holliday. They’re set in the outfield—they have Soriano, Fukudome, and Bradley. Why do you see the Cubs having a need there?

by Cutthemullet on May 31, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just wait a week and Bradley will be hurt.

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by brenarlo on May 31, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are talking about Soriano playing 2b so they can shift the IF to cover for Ramirez's injury

which might open up as spot when Bradley isn’t hurt… wait there are games when Bradley isn’t hurt hmmm…. interesting.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fuck these two posts

because of sentiment like this, and BB’s, Bradley is probably the absolute most underrated player in the game. When you have Soriano, a Fukudome OPSing 900.+ and Bradley, WHO LED THE AL IN OPS LAST YEAR, you don’t need an outfielder. If Bradley is out for a little while, they have Hoffpauer, however that name is spelled. I’m sick of the bad rap Milton gets, and has always gotten. He’s an All-Star-caliber player and should be appreciated as such.

by Cutthemullet on May 31, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who DHed in Arlington and still only played 126 games last year.

Hes an All Star Caliber nut who played his way out of three organization and had two not attempt to retain his services. Hoffpauir is a journeyman with bad D. If they take Soriano up on his offer to play 2b they would need a starting caliber OFer.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as his attitude goes

Milton deserves much of the bad rap that’s on him. He is a loose cannon — a very talented loose cannon — that seems somewhat brittle. I don’t think for a minute that the ‘rated’ is ‘under’ at all; all things considered.

by LowcountryJoe on Jun 1, 2009 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Milton Bradley being underrated

Fontenot and Miles are awful. Scales and Hoffpauir are AAAA. I could see the Cubs trading for a 2-bagger, or moving Soriano to 2B. Remember, this is the same Hendry that dumped DeRosa and signed Miles to a 2 year deal.

Milton Bradley is good, but that contract isn’t a good idea for any injury prone outfielder in this market.

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by Blicks on Jun 1, 2009 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude, Scales is AAAAA

He kicks Quad-A players asses

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 1, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he weren't such an oft-injured head case I'd agree with you.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on Jun 1, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The White Sox were willing to trade DLS, Gio, and Sweeney for Swisher

Do you think they would have traded Gordon Beckham, straight up, for Swisher? And in how much better shape would the A’s be if they had Beckham instead of the 3 they have? Oh right, we’re looking forward. Just wondering.

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you forgetting something?

The White Sox only drafted Beckham last June. He wasn’t there when they made the trade for Swisher.

I mean, you can trade a player to be named later, but you can’t trade a player to be drafted later.

by Faust on May 31, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i see beckham as a 2b long term

white sox seem to be shifting him to 3b due to the failure of fields and their other 3b options

i still think that trio will be good…DLS is the wild card, pure stuff is better than any pitcher in this system. gio’s milb track record is hard to ignore, sweeney is a solid OF complimentary type. swisher hitting .220 again despite solid power.

by Asfan4ever723 on May 31, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Swisher's 0.00 ERA, either

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by Nick on May 31, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Faust, if you're going to let facts get in the way of a perfectly irrelevant point,

I just have no interest in continuing the conversation.

{pours two more drinks}

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

june 15

teams can start trading signed FA’s without their consent.

important dates this season:

june 9th draft
june 15th
july 31st trade deadline

A’s have a bunch of old guys, mlb ready fringe players, and prospects to trade…but nothing similar to harden/swisher/blanton/haren etc (semi established w/ mlb experience) to interest contenders. i guess the closest thing would be an eveland, casilla, wuertz, ziegler but alone they wont get much in return. do teams really want a buck, sweeney, barton? suzuki might have the most value doubt theyd trade him. beane needs to be creative here.

by Asfan4ever723 on May 31, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's Jack Cust, and Orlando Cabrera.

There’s also Justin Duchscherer, if he can get back on the mound and show he’s healthy.

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by jeepers on May 31, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cabrera = old, but does have value due to position

duke = i’m expecting nothing…he’s already had several setbacks, he’ll fade away into free agency an A’s get no compensation.

cust- with likely no giambi (6mill options seems expensive for 2010), holliday gone eventually…A’s trade their only power source? I wouldnt be shocked but his value to the A’s seems more than he’d be to other teams. now, if the red sox called with ortiz struggles or even toronto, i’m sure beane would possibly be open to the idea depending on the return.

by Asfan4ever723 on May 31, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with most of that

Duchscherer is injured and therefore has no value to a contending team. Even if he is able to come back and is a tradeable commodity, the A’s won’t get much in return.

I can’t see the team trading Cust, who is cheap and the team’s only power hitter.

My only minor quibble is about Cabrera. A contending team that needs a shortstop isn’t going to be worried about his age. He’s a rental.

by bear88 on May 31, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cust is cheap for now.

He’s going to get more expensive soon.

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by jeepers on May 31, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great thoughts as always

I think the A’s need to craft some kind of meaningful front-office/scout/coach job for Chavez in addition to a creative buyout of his contract. That would certainly make it easier for him (and for Billy) to accept that his playing days are over.

by Englishmajor on May 31, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

June amateur draft

The A’s need to draft nothing but offense in this year’s draft.

by smellofgrass on May 31, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That is a terrible idea

This draft has a huge lack of impact hitters and a plethora of impact arms. Take what the draft gives you or you will regret it.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

You can always trade some of the arms you draft to fill the offensive need.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on May 31, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 to this.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on May 31, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that the A's ever seem to do that

But yeah, in theory they could.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marty Lurie agrees with you wholeheartedly, s.o.g.

But, as designated mentions, the draft is lacking alot of impact bats this year, so just cross your fingers that the A’s get at least one with their first round pick.

The depth of pitching in the A’s minor league system might be the way to go as far as acquiring some additional offense. Especially if the A’s keep stockpiling in this years draft.

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by mrod on May 31, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is interesting.

However, looking at Keith Law’s top 100 (the A’s have the 13th pick):

  1. Matt Purke, LHP, Klein HS (Texas)
    #14-Grant Green, SS, USC
    #15-Matt Davidson, 3B, Yucaipa HS (Calif)

This could work out nicely?

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on May 31, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Purke is 13, not 1.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on May 31, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

tim wheeler

i believe BA last ranked him the 4th best position player in the draft…3rd best OF behind ackley/tate. up the middle, tools laden CF. if none of the prep pitchers fall, they pass on tate/green due to signability…i would have no issue taking wheeler or even leake.

by Asfan4ever723 on May 31, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andy Sieler has him going to us. I would actually like the pick.

Im hesitant about tate mostly because I would rather see signing a slot pick and spending 5mill on Sano than spending 7 on tate.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Green is still there at 13 I take Green every time.

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on May 31, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

His season has kinda sucked so far and he wants 6m to sign.

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by designatedforassignment on May 31, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

green

fringe power, probably wont stay at SS defensively…i read he was overhyped from his cape cod league performance. interesting, who also had a great cape cod league last yr was dusty coleman and he should be able to stay at SS long term. add in the boras factor and probably still wanting 4+mill even if slides down in the daft and green is looking like a risky pick

by Asfan4ever723 on May 31, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Plus, his name is an anagram of geren

That alone scares me.

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

grover, thanks for doing this writeup

My concern with the Walker idea is that I don’t think it aims high enough. I think 3B is an area where the A’s need to bite the bullet and give something up, be it in money or talent, to solve it in a bigger way. The odds are too strong that Walker could be the next “well he coulda been good” attempt – if he is another Andy LaRoche or Andy Marte, now where is the team?

I’d sooner get either someone as or more proven as Alex Gordon, or sign Beltre, or grit my teeth and pony up talent to get Zimmerman, than to risk spending 2 more years finding out that 3B is still a black hole.

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 7:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't like the idea of getting Beltre

He’s 30 years old, he’s had 2 seasons in his entire career with an OPS+ over 112, and they were 5 and 9 years ago. I think it’s pretty likely that he’s about to become Pedro Feliz.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to confess, I wonder about him and steroids

He had kind of a Brady Anderson like season. I guess at this stage of his career, he’s mostly only able to hit the A’s and be Feliz against everyone else.

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wonder?

scuttlebut was thats why the dodgers didn’t offer him a contract.

He still is a great defender and would have something to prove. If there is a cabrerra type contract that he can agree to, I would think it would make sense.

by Future Ed on May 31, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's more likely he'll end up in a situation like Feliz's

On a good, contending team, where he isn’t expected to be a primary offensive contributor.

I would have said the Red Sox were a possibility, but Lowell is hitting well this year — though with a BABIP of .317 and only 8 BBs this year, he’s likely to come back down to earth. If he slumps seriously this year, or if his back acts up again, I could imagine Boston spending what they have to do get Beltre.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 31, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also don't think Lowell will hold up physically much longer

Didn’t he just turn 52?

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we don't know how old beltre is either

dodgers pulled a dominican 2 step on him. i think he signed with them out of primary school.

by Future Ed on May 31, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On that topic, given how important age is to a prospect's

value and projections, wouldn’t it be a legitimate fraud claim for a team to complain about a Tejada or Casilla signing a contract and then revealing later he was older and lied about his age?

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I'm advocating trading for Beltre, but

when you say “only 2 seasons with OPS+ over 112” you’re deliberately trying to make his career sound worse than it is. For the past three seasons before this one his OPS+ was 105, 112, and 109. That’s not bad. Add his excellent defense and it’s quite good.

That’s a pretty good record for the past three years. The real problem is that his hitting fell off a cliff this year, and you have to wonder if that’s just a fluke or if there’s some lasting reason for it.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on May 31, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Line drive rate is slightly down

I think around 15 or 16%. Wouldn’t there be some bounce back?

by Future Ed on Jun 1, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pedro Feliz's team won the world series last year

not that I’m advocating getting a thirdbaseman that sucks, but I don’t think it’s essential we have a star out there, especially if it means losing a lot of young talent or spending a lot of money.

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by travdog6 on Jun 1, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, in my defense

I’m not aiming high with Walker.

And for the record, Andy LaRoche is doing fine.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, but I'm not a believer

He has failed too dramatically in too many extended looks for me to want to take that chance.

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by Nico on May 31, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with Nico on this one.

What would it take for Beane to pry Zimmerman away from the Nats, now?

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by mrod on May 31, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too late guys

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 31, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moustakas...

:D

Fuck you Bob Geren

by supermarc589 on Jun 1, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why Chavez's possible retirement

needs to be part of this discussion. Sure it’s fun to speculate about whether he might have any incentive to agree to a buyout, or what sort of insurance the team may have against his contract, but ultimately it doesn’t have any more affect on the team than what sort of deal the A’s get for TV broadcast rights next year.

All that matters to the team is that Chavez is done and they need to move on for 3B. (I love Chavvy, but I agree that his career is over.) Whether he retires or doesn’t has almost no bearing on this. He’s not an obstacle in any way; you just proceed as if he’s not there. Right now he’s on the 60-day DL, so he isn’t taking up any roster space. If he never gets better, fine. If he does get better, OK, let him play a game or two. If he breaks, then he’s off the roster again. If he’s healthy but he still sucks, cut him.

The $66 million contract is a sunk cost. Maybe you find a clever way unsink part of it, or maybe you don’t. That’s immaterial to the roster situation. Bottom line is either Eric’s worth a roster spot or he’s not. If he’s not, just let him go.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jun 1, 2009 12:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The only clever thing that makes sense...

…is to stretch out the number of years he’s owed the money…a deferral. I don’t imagine that the Althletics have the cash for an outright buyout right now. Plus, doing so could provide a disincentive for Chavez to attempt rehab and try to come back; something that he owes the organization to do if he is capable of doing so.

Deferring the costs out for five years or more would make the [7.75 (this year) +12 (next year) +3 (’11 buyout)] $22.75 million Chavez is owed this a much more managable at appoximate $5 million per year. Approximate because the FO would most certainly need an inflation protection incentive for him to agree to a contract deferral/restructuring.

by LowcountryJoe on Jun 1, 2009 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More good news!

The A’s are on pace to land the #2 overall pick in the 2010 Draft!!!

Fuck you Bob Geren

by supermarc589 on Jun 1, 2009 12:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We can take the Nationals. It's not hard...

Just start Dana Eveland every game!

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 1, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kill 2 birds with one stone

dana gets national recognition for most innings pitches in a season, (1,017 added to his current total [too lazy to look up/looking up dana’s stats is big waste of time anyways] innings starting tomorrow)

He’ll get a rep for being a workhorse and we can trade him to KC for Moustakas. They get an innings eater and we get a stud. (little do they know that 1,000+ innings will probably make your arm fall off!)
so its a steal essentially.

We also land the #1 overall pick in 2010 when Dana goes 7-106 for the rest of the season!

no way Washington can beat 26-136!!!

GO A’S!!!!!!

Fuck you Bob Geren

by supermarc589 on Jun 2, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think his guess is kind of low but Buster Olney is predicting that Holliday will get

more like 3 years at $30-$35 Million total.

Again I think this will end up being low, but maybe $22M/year for 6 years is not going to be necesary to ink Holliday. Still feels unlikely that the A’s outbid anyone for a high priced free agent, but you never know.

by AsFanInLA on Jun 1, 2009 9:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If that's the case, I'd give him a 4/48 extension right now.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on Jun 1, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but he has the bad face

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 1, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be great if he would take it

My guess is that if he only gets offers like 3/36 or 4/48 that Boras will advise him to take a 1/15 type deal and try again next year for Teixeira money

by AsFanInLA on Jun 1, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Take 1/15 in Yankee Stadium or some other bandbox area.

Then rebound.

It worked for GMJ. LOL @ Angels.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on Jun 1, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're only 6 games back

on the Nats for the #1 overall pick in 2010!!!

Fuck you Bob Geren

by supermarc589 on Jun 2, 2009 1:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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