Some Trade ideas for if/when Beane decides to Sell
From Jayson Stark's ESPN "Rumbling & Grumblings" column, 5/21/2009:
Clubs that have spoken to the A's report that Billy Beane "has had it" with his scuffling outfit. But it figures to be at least a month before he starts unloading Matt Holliday or anyone of significance.
"If he could do something right now, he'd do it," said one front-office man. "But I don't think clubs have enough feel for what they've got on that club. So I'd say late June, early July is more likely."
So maybe Beane isn't as clueless to this "scuffling outfit" as we've made him out to be...at least we can hope. The timeframe Stark lays out seems about right to me. Give this team one more month to snap out of it's funk and one more month for the rest of the teams out there to decide between "buying" and "selling" and then start wheeling and dealing if it's the latter for these A's.
Like Beane, it seems, I'm starting to get the itch for the trade bug, so here I go with my first batch of trade ideas. We all know the A's need a new 3rd baseman, shortstop and possibly even a centerfielder. So here goes:
While the early indications are that the trade market for guys like Matt Holliday might be less robust than previously thought, I would bet that Beane will still be able to rassle up a few intriguing packages as "bubble" teams start getting desperate for that missing piece that will put them over the top. Holliday is finally finding his stroke and with another few weeks to get his overall stats in order, he could become a very valuable trade piece. In addition, Beane should have the payroll flexibility to be able to throw in a significant amount of money to help cover Holliday's remaining 2009 salary, which should also work in his favor, as he could effectively "buy" a better set of prospects from an acquiring team if the financial outlay is lessened. Here are some trade ideas:
- Atlanta: The Braves badly need an infusion of power in the lineup and happen to have a gaping hole in left field at the moment. The Atlanta farm system is fairly stacked with talented prospects, however, I doubt the team would part with any of their top talent (Hanson, Heyward, Freeman, Schafer). They do have a shortstop prospect in Double-A at the moment (Brandon Hicks) that is struggling so far this season and has some contact issues, but has historically hit for power, drawn some walks and played good defense. Provided he gets his act together a bit, he could be an option for the big league team in 2010 at some point. RHP Kris Medlen could also be a nice get as a command-control righty that could be a mid-rotation type guy. Perhaps the package could be rounded out by a high-ceiling lower minors arm (which the Braves have plenty of). Unfortunately, none of these guys will be high-impact players this season, so a perfect match it may not be.
- Kansas City: It would really be interesting to see the Royals make a big play for the post season this year after so many seasons of struggling. The AL Central seems definitely winnable this year, and with Zack Greinke's historic-level early season dominance, Gil Meche eating up innings, Bannister pitching well and the bullpen dominating, to go along with a few surprise offensive performers, the Royals could have the ingredients to make a run. Holliday could be used to push DeJesus out of left field and give them a big power power boost to slot behind Mike Jacobs. In addition, the Royals are definitely looking for a shortstop to replace the one-hit wonder Mike Aviles. They would likely be interested in O-Cab as well. The only deal I could really see working would be Holliday + Cabrera + cash for 3B Mike Moustakas. Moustakas is a monster prospect and is the gem of the Royal farm system, so I don't think they would just fork him over, but if they get desperate enough...
- Mets: I'm sure that with the injuries to Delgado and Reyes, the Mets would love to add Holiday right now and for the stretch run. Looking at their minor league system, it doesn't seem like a real solid match could be made, although Daniel Murphy (up with the big club) seems like a solid but unspectacular hitter that could take over 3rd base duties for the A's right now. The team also has high-upside potential CFer Fernadno Martinez and some raw arms. I would imagine that the Mets wouldn't part with Murphy and F-Mart together, but you'd never know...
- Cardinals: I would love the A's to pry Brett Wallace away from the Cards with some combination of cash, Holliday, O-Cab, Ellis, Springer, Duke or Casilla, but I just don't think it happening. The Cards have plenty of productive outfielders and they seem to want to ADD 3rd basemen to their system, not trade one away...but here again, desperation could play a part...
- Giants: McCovery Chronicles is thinking that if the Giants stay close by deadline time, they could pursue Holliday and might use Tim Alderson as the bait. Even with their pitching depth, I doubt they would give up a Top-5 prospect like Alderson for a rental like Holliday and their positional prospects aren't anything special, so I don't anything is going to happen with Gnats...
- Angels: For all intents and purposes, I would think that if the A's are totally out of it by this time next month, a deal with the Angels would make the most sense, besides the whole inter-divisional-bitter-rivalry thing. For one thing, the Angels are always in need of more power, especially with an ailing Vladi Guerrero and with a firepower discrepancy between themselves and the Rangers - their likely competition for the division. Secondly, Holliday would be a good fit in the Sciosca-style offense, as he can hit for average and power, is pretty aggressive, and runs well. On a personal level, I know that Holliday owns an off-season home in Orange County and is a big family guy that would likely fit-in with the Angel clubhouse. The Angels could also likely make a big, Teixera-like play to keep Holliday after this season, especially considering that Vladi's contract is done after ths season and Holliday could become the new face of the franchise. The A's would likely take Brandon Wood from the Halos in a heartbeat and might even be interested in Sean Rodgriguez or Reggie Willits or an A-ball arm or two. Seeing as how all those players have been long-overlooked by the Angel brass and aren't critical to either the team's long-term or short-term success, I think a match could easily be made between the two teams.
- Padres: I don't think that the rumors are true linking Chase Headley with a possible trade for Yuniesky Betancourt. Even so, with the Padres looking to dump players and totally rebuild, it's possible that the team might make him available for some much-needed infusion of prospects. The A's could make like Kenny Williams and aggressively push a deal on the Padres...maybe something like Gio/Simmons, Petit and Corey Brown for Headley? Or maybe it may even be possible to buy Headley off the Padres (who are looking to dump salary) by agreeing to take on Scott Hairston for the rest of the year along with Headley for the prospects listed above. I would hate to even mention the idea of taking-on Brian "Woman Beater" Giles and his lifeless bat and the rest of his 9 million dollar salary, but if it meant that the A's could keep a prospect or two and still get Headley? You'd have to think about it...in addition to Headley, the A's could easily put together a deal for the whiff-artist Kouzmanoff at pretty much anytime. Kevin is up for arbitration after this season, has always had trouble hitting at Petco and just isn't that great of a player. However, he does have some pop, is decent against lefties and plays a decent 3rd base. He would be a real nice platoon partner for Eric Chavez for a year or two and would maybe cost Petit and Eveland or Petit and Blevins.
That's all I got for today.
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Am I missing something with Headley?
He doesn’t appear to be the uber prospect people have him pegged as. Unless I’m reading his numbers wrong of course….
As for the rest, some nice ideas, but hopefully we have much more to work with than that. Nothing really stands out as a trade worth doing.
by OldhamA on May 22, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the thing with Headley is that he's not so much an uber-prospect...
so much as he’s a major league ready, young 3rd baseman that can hit for both a little average and a little power from both sides of the plate. Not everybody can get as lucky as the Nats and Rays got with Zimmerman and Longoria, but Headley profiles as a guy that can hit maybe around .270-.280 with an .800 OPS with about 20 homers and play solid defense. I think that if the Padres would give him up for a couple of solid but unspectacular prospects, then it would be a good value deal for the A’s.
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by Taj Adib on May 22, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
Obviously in comparison to the production we’re getting out of the 3B position those’d be superstar numbers.
I think Corey Brown is the kind of guy you hold onto though.
by OldhamA on May 22, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Headley's numbers have also been held down a bit by Petco, IIRC
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by Nico on May 22, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Corey Brown would indeed be dificult to give up:
tonight’s line:
4 for 5 with 2 doubles, 1 triple, 1 homer and 6 RBI’s.
Maybe I should take his name out of the discussion and replace him with Sweeney?
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by Taj Adib on May 22, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I was about to say something along the lines of “You’d be crazy to trade away Corey Brown.”
Seriously, he has the potential to fill the CF dilemma. If he cuts down on the K’s just a little bit, he’d be an elite talent.
[The reason] Giambi hurts a team defensively is that he has the range of a sedated sea turtle who is trapped on land under Joe Blanton, only not quite as good. -Nico
by Morgasm on May 22, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think he would make an effective, but unconventional, leadoff hitter?
He’s got nice speed and can take a walk…maybe a Jonny Damon type power/speed leadoff guy?
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by Taj Adib on May 22, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
I could see it, since he is unseemly fast. His cumulative OBP in the minors is like .353, so I’m not sure whether or not he would be best suited for the #1-2 slots, or somewhere deeper in the order like #5-6. I’d leave that up to the uber-lineup guru’s.
I would definitely refrain from trading him though.
[The reason] Giambi hurts a team defensively is that he has the range of a sedated sea turtle who is trapped on land under Joe Blanton, only not quite as good. -Nico
by Morgasm on May 22, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
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by Taj Adib on May 22, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compare their stats from the minors
Chris Young .267/.358/.501/859 AB 1789 2B 138 3B 16 HR 83 SB 108
Vernon Wells .290/.351/.464/815 AB 2193 2B 143 3B 19 HR 67 SB 83
Torii Hunter .269/.334/.416/750 AB 2264 2B 125 3B 13 HR 60 SB 59
Grady Sizemore .289/.377/.411/788 AB 1998 2B 97 3B 33 HR 27 SB 96
Corey Brown .270/.361/.522/883 AB 799 2B 54 3B 6 HR 45 SB 24
These figures compare very nicely. Sure Brown is 24 yrs old and in AA,
while Young was 21 in AA, Wells was 20, Hunter was 21 & 22, and Sizemore was only 20. But none of those players went to College like Brown had.
I am pleased to see Brown compares so well. I would not trade him for just anyone.
Headley? 23 yrs old in AA
Minors stats .301/.400/.500/900 AB 1410 2B 109 3B 9 HR 51 SB 6
Very nice numbers as well, but only four more yrs of control. The A’s have Brown for all six.
Keep Brown, trade pitching for Headley.
by Hang Man on May 22, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hang on... er, Hang man
The fact that Brown is 2-4 years older than the guys you bring up is a huge negative in the comparison.
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by grover on May 22, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello grover, my little fuzzy contrarian friend
I agree if Brown was 22 putting up those numbers in the Majors we would all be giddy. But not everyone blossoms at the same rate. Focusing on the negative of being 24 and still in AA would lead you to miss out on plenty of all-star caliber players:
Jason Varitek AA age 24 262/350/406/756
Brad Hawpe AA age 24 277/338/503/841
Shea Hillenbrand AA Age 24 323/355/463/818
Ken Caminiti AA Age 24 325/361/523/884
by Hang Man on May 23, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its brown's age 23 season in AA for 09
i assume they might be aggeressive and he’ll end up in AAA eventually. he doesnt turn 24 until after its over. for a college pick age isnt a big issue.
by Asfan4ever723 on May 23, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it is ...
All of those guys had become MLB regulars by the time they were Brown’s age — with about the same amount of MiLB experience as Brown as … and it’s not like his time at Oklahoma State didn’t help his development.
Brown is nowhere near those guys’ league as a prospect.
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by devo on May 23, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it matters that he was a college guy
Most college hitters reach the majors at a later age. Nobody is knocking Matt LaPorta or Nolan Reimold for their age. Also keep in mind that Brown’s first 500+ professional ABs came at Vancouver and Kane County. Two very hostile environments for power hitters. Of course he’s not in the same league as those guys today, but I maintain that his upside is somewhere in that league.
by CapgrasDelusion on May 23, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt LaPorta never struggled at any level and is in the Bigs at the same age
as Corey Brown is in AA …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on May 24, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 10 months older...and neither has Brown
by CapgrasDelusion on May 24, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're both 2+ years out of college ...
that LaPorta is a few months older is fairly inconsequential …
LaPorta is in the Major Leagues, Corey Brown is in AA and has no apparent weaknesses in his game …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on May 24, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first thought...
ESPN.com still has free content?
My second… you still read ESPN.com?
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by grover on May 22, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I read MLB traderumors...
and they linked to the article…so it was a friend-of-a-friend thing, so to speak…
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by Taj Adib on May 22, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time seeing KC part with Moustakas
Alex Gordon, on the other hand, might be an option to consider.
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by grover on May 22, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Brown's upside is something like Grady Sizemore
No way I’d deal him away.
I like the potential match with the Braves though. I’d be pretty pleased with a package like Medlen, Hicks, and J.J. Hoover. At a certain point the A’s do need to address immediate needs,SS and 3B specifically, but it might be wise to seek the best package out there come deadline, and make filling those holes an offseason priority.
by CapgrasDelusion on May 22, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore
I never thought of him as a comp, but that’s one I can see. How great would it be to have a Sizemore? God.
Like I said above “You’d be crazy to trade Corey Brown.”
[The reason] Giambi hurts a team defensively is that he has the range of a sedated sea turtle who is trapped on land under Joe Blanton, only not quite as good. -Nico
by Morgasm on May 22, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore is a good "best case scenario" comp...
with Chris Young being a more pessimistic one. I could see Brown coming in anywhere in between, he’s got plenty of talent it’s just going to be a matter of his contact ability and plate discipline.
by DiegoAsFan on May 22, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on the Chris Young comp
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by grover on May 23, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Young is a realistic/optimistic comp -- not a pessimistic comp ...
Sizemore is only slightly less optimistic than my upside being that of Matt Stairs …
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by devo on May 23, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Stairs older, thus making you a better prospect in comparison?
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by Nico on May 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Brown is a solid defensive CF
Stairs has always been one dimensional. I’d take those offensive numbers from a solid CF any day.
by CapgrasDelusion on May 23, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm comparing myself to Matt Stairs, not Brown to Matt Stairs ...
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by devo on May 24, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you do a comparison of you to Brown?
My first thought...ESPN.com still has free content?
My second… you still read ESPN.com? -grover
by Leopold Bloom on May 24, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Specifically, Leroy Brown?
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by Nico on May 24, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Leroy Jenkins
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on May 24, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Jenkins, the family butler.
My first thought...ESPN.com still has free content?
My second… you still read ESPN.com? -grover
by Leopold Bloom on May 24, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor quibble
Grady Sizemore does not strike out like Corey Brown. Corey Brown struck out 178 times last year.
That said, I’d like to see the A’s hold on to him, see how he progresses.
by Joey C. on May 22, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another minor quibble
Corey Brown turns 24 this November and is currently in AA. When Sizemore was 24 he hit 290/375/533 in his 2nd full season for the Cleveland Indians.
Brown and Sizemore may have similar tools but they’re on different talent levels.
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by grover on May 22, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Focusing on "upside" and best case scenarios really trips people up
It’s true that Grady-Sizemore-like production is a possible future for Brown, even at 24. But it’s way, way less likely than if he were doing what he’s doing as a 22-year-old in AA. He still has a 13/27 BB/K in 111 PAs, which is a lot of Ks at any level. Probably 85% of the guys who strike him out in 1/4 of his PAs are never going to throw a single pitch in the majors, so he still has a ways to go and the clock is ticking.
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by Nick on May 24, 2009 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore strikes out a lot.
132, 155, 150, and 130 the last four years. Yes, that’s more than Brown did last year, but it’s not an insurmountable gap to close.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on May 23, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I want to discuss trades
I think propositions become much clearer when we see who we draft in a few weeks. Last year we were definitely clamoring for infielders in general. When we took Weeks over Wallace, many performed ritualistic suicide.
So we’ll need to see how the first 5 picks + the bonus babies turn out. That first pick will be very interesting. I’m hoping the scouting department doesn’t screw this one up again. I’m crossing my fingers for one of Tim Wheeler/Rich Poythress/Shelby Miller. If all these guys are taken by the time our pick comes around (REALLY unlikely) I’d be ok with a Matt Davidson overdraft.
The one thing I don’t want to see, is a safe pick. I want to see something other than a collegiate pitcher, but that’s just me.
[The reason] Giambi hurts a team defensively is that he has the range of a sedated sea turtle who is trapped on land under Joe Blanton, only not quite as good. -Nico
by Morgasm on May 22, 2009 7:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But if the A's think they can swing a deal for a 3B of some kind, that might change their approach to top of the draft
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by Nick on May 24, 2009 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ATL matches up the best
Something I would like would be a package around Gorky Herndanez, Eric Campbell, and an arm.
Gorky’s gives them a legit CF of the future. Campbell needs a change of scenery and hopefully can put his talent together and be the slugging 3rd baseman the A’s need. Some lower tier arm to round out the trade.
Cant expect much more than that for a 1/2 yr of a guy
by Bud Light on May 22, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Overreacting fan in me:
The A’s NEED to get an everyday 3rd baseman out of Holliday. NEED to.
by Joey C. on May 22, 2009 8:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well they need to aquire one before the season is out. Whether we can
hurt Holliday’s potential trade value by only looking at teams with 3B prospects is another matter.
by OldhamA on May 22, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals did that in the Teahan trade
Also needed a catcher and got Buck
by Bud Light on May 22, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offseason would work just as well, too ...
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by devo on May 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the Reds?
their OF depth chart is very shallow: Bruce/Dickerson/Taveres/Nix
they are tied for 2nd place…Holliday gets to hit in a launching pad.
they have several interesting prospects:
re-energized homer bailey
cf drew stubbs
maloney mlb ready lefty
frazier 3b/lf
3b waring
SS valaika
by Asfan4ever723 on May 22, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Maloney is a 4th starter at best
Waring plays in the Baltimore system
Stubbs is OK, not sure I believe in the bat. Ask me a month from now.
Valakia projects to 2B
Frazier might be OK
Who knows what’s up with Bailey
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by grover on May 22, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, we're awful
This whole trade game has gotten so old. We’re forever talking about the future because we have no present.
by RLangford on May 23, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is pretty much my thinking.
If we do trade Holiday, or anyone else, I’ve about run out of patience with low-level prospects regardless of how great they project or how high their “up side” is. This person will be great in 3 years… that guy will be a stud someday… blah blah blah. I want somebody a little more immediate. We have enough people right on the brink, I believe, that this is not an unreasonable expectation.
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by UncleLeo on May 23, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm Beane
I’m poring over the Giants’ organization. Randy Johnson lost 2-1 tonight. Barry Zito and Tim Lincecum have pitched well this week also, and the team lost. The San Francisco Giants have a playoff-caliber rotation and desperately need Matt Holliday, not just this year but for a multi-year deal.
by richwol1 on May 23, 2009 12:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would avoid trading Holliday to the Angels at all costs
For the fear that it would make it easier for him to sign their in the offseason. Plus, I really don’t like anything the Angels have to offer.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on May 23, 2009 1:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Wood or Rodriguez.
They’re both MLB ready, they can play positions of need, and, in terms of their MiLB stats, they both seem about as likely to do well as Headley.
by scromulus on May 24, 2009 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid that Wood is AAAA material
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by Helloooo 1st on May 24, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MOOSETACOS!!!
I love, love, love the Moustakas idea. Always have, always will. And if we’re talking Braves trades, how about this one: Holliday and OCab for Yunel Escobar. At first thought, it obviously benefits the A’s, but the Braves seemed to be willing to deal Escobar for Peavy. Maybe it could work. The Braves would get 3-4 picks after the season as well.
That said, I’m rooting for Grant Green to fall to the A’s.
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by vignette17 on May 23, 2009 2:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're Grant Green wish doesn't seem likely
I’ve read that there are at least two teams who pick ahead of the A’s that really like him. ’Course, who knows what will change in the next couple weeks?
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by grover on May 23, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, hang over is affecting my use of contractions!
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by grover on May 23, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
solution: drink more
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by mikev on May 23, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idea
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by grover on May 23, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's me.
Problem solver
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on May 23, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mojito in hand!
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on May 23, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do that too!
What I mean is I drink rum and then I look at a mint plant.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on May 23, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much for rum
Ice cold vodka works best for me
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by grover on May 23, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they're less than five minutes apart,
I wouldn’t worry about it yet.
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by iglew on May 23, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't have an opinion on Moustakas before,
but now I want him just for the game thread images possibilities.
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by iglew on May 23, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT'S NO MOOSE.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on May 23, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have the Royals written off Alex Gordon?
Maybe they should, but if they haven’t, Moustakas might not be untouchable. Holliday should command a prospect with that kind of talent. I think it’s been established that Holliday’s April was a fluke, and he remains a .300/30/100 kind of player. The A’s shouldn’t settle for less for that kind of talent.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on May 23, 2009 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gordon had the same hip surgery as A-Rod did
With Teahen holding the fort at 3B (and arby controlled for two more seasons) and Moustakas probably needing until at least mid-season 2010, it would make sense for the Royals to shop the soon-to-be-arby-eligible Gordon for 2009 help.
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by grover on May 23, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting.
I don’t think I’d want Gordon, but if he could be had for cheap…
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on May 23, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its going to depend on how eager KC is come July 1st
Is they see a shot at the AL Central crown they might be more willing to part with Gordon in (basically) a 1-for-1 swap for Cabrera.
I could also see it costing Cabrera + Duke, but that would land Gordon and change.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on May 23, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I just don't see KC parting with Moustakas
in exchange for “going for it in 2009” – they’re improved from the terrible KC teams we’ve seen lately but they’re not that good. They’ll be a .500 team, not a 90-win team, if things go well in 2009.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 23, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What sucks is it would take some serious luck for the 2009 A's to achieve that level of mediocrity
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on May 23, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either of those trades would be a coup for the A's.
Half a season of Duke/O-Cab for three years of a probable 3+ WAR 3B.
by scromulus on May 24, 2009 4:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the strategy that got us Giambi and O-Cab
I don’t think I’d want [xxx], but if he could be had for cheap…
How’s that working for you?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on May 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on May 23, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No its not
Gordon is a 25 year old 3b who put up a 110 OPS+ last season. If we could get him for a decent price then he would be a coup.
by DeJay on May 25, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera is doing better than Crosby would have
and for less $$, so I don’t have a problem with that signing. Plus, he’s likely to be a good (and tradeable) trade chip should Beane decide to start selling. It’s no small thing to not get a chance to play alongside the same (good) 3B and 2B players on a daily basis.
I thought the Giambi signing was reasonable, as long as it was acknowledged that he might be starting to slow down. I think part of the problem is that he’s been expected to play in the field too much, instead of sharing DH with Cust. The Nomar signing was also good, under the assumption that he wouldn’t be called upon to play too much in the field, and could especially be used as a pinch hitter in the right situations.
I think the biggest problem with the Giambi and Nomar signings was the assumption that Chavez would be able to play.
by OaklandSi on May 23, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wait
Ocab is hitting like shit and making some bonehead plays.
He’s essentially just as bad as Crosby right now.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on May 23, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
he certainly played better than Crosby last night…and the night before…and recently…
by OaklandSi on May 23, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for in this scenario
the A’s would have Gordon for his 26-28 seasons, unlike Giambi and O-Cab. Considering how Gordon was rushed to the majors, its not like he’s been terrible.
by scromulus on May 24, 2009 4:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would send Crosby to the Mets to back up Jose Reyes
and ask for David Murphy.
The A’s would need to pay most of Crosby’s salary.
I think the A’s would also need to send Travis Buck.
Basically the A’s would send a legit outfield prospect to the Mets for a legit 3b prospect.
Crosby would just be the sweetener to the deal which could make the trade happen now.
This would give the Mets the ability to put Reyes on the 15 day DL and heal his calf.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on May 23, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or
the Mets could just call up whoever it is that plays SS for them in the minors, since he likely isn’t any worse than Crosby, and keep Murphy.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on May 23, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
we could just send them Crosby… just ’cause.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on May 23, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like you
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on May 23, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, sometimes a stray cat shows up on the doorstep
and you don’t really want it, but it’s there … so you just kind of take it in … and next thing you know you own a cat.
Couldn’t we do that with Crosby?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 23, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, you mean...
throw Crosby in a bag and toss it in a river?
Seems a bit harsh, but I won’t object.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on May 23, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll just tell Peter Gammons that Crosby ran away
by Joey C. on May 23, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
went to the country to live on a farm
with a kindly farmer and his wife.
My first thought...ESPN.com still has free content?
My second… you still read ESPN.com? -grover
by Leopold Bloom on May 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like my first and second stepdads...
DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...
by Gaijin_Suketto on May 23, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disturbing if it was your mom who told you that story.
Encouraging if it was you doing the telling.
My first thought...ESPN.com still has free content?
My second… you still read ESPN.com? -grover
by Leopold Bloom on May 24, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument there.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on May 23, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or their AAA bullpen catcher or AA bench coach - pretty much anybody!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 23, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I am completely sold on getting Wood, if we do business with the slengA.
I know he had some troubles at the plate the last couple seasons and he’s a pretty good SS. I just feel we would be giving up a decent player (in Holliday) for something we already have (decent fielder, hole in the bat). But from what AK said about our hitting coach, maybe he needs to come here.
I got the pleasure of playing against Wood in High School, yes I know the talent is totally different, but I’ve seen the potential. Just don’t know if he has/will be able to translate that. These are just my “Guy in the straw hat” opinions. Take them for the grain of salt they probably are.
ken korach's voice is like peanut butter on velvet, not joe buck's.
by mrbendy on May 23, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what did AK say about the hitting coach?
by OaklandSi on May 23, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Said that he was able to detect flaws in his swing after only having seen him hit a handful of times. I can’t remember exactly what he said, was mentioned on the radio broadcast the other day. But it boiled down to “He’s one of the best I’ve worked with, he’s really good, knows what he is doing.”
ken korach's voice is like peanut butter on velvet, not joe buck's.
by mrbendy on May 23, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are very welcome.
ken korach's voice is like peanut butter on velvet, not joe buck's.
by mrbendy on May 23, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, without our excellent and perceptive hitting coach
Our team would be hitting even worse? Is that even possible?
by Faust on May 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a few points
I would not trade Holiday for any prospect that is struggling no matter who he is. The A’s have enough players that are struggling. I would not rule out the Brewers on a trade. Holiday would be a good trade for Escobar their SS. Throw in Adam Kenedy and bring back Jody gerut works for me. They need 2b and would love another OFer of Holiday claiber. Could give them the best in NL central.
by Arcman on May 23, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not expecting an elite prospect for 2-3 months of holliday
His May has been great, but the lousy april had to put some doubters out there on his ability to play outside of coors field. Add in the Borass influence and teams maybe low balling Beane knowing the A’s want to trade him and the return might not be all that great. Of course A’s could expand the deal by including something else from their side along with holliday
by Asfan4ever723 on May 23, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2008 CC Sabathia = 2009 Matt Holliday
I’d say their values will be about the same. The Indians were able to pry away a pretty solid 3B/Bat (Matt LaPorta) in that deal.
by Colorado Fan on May 25, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
some team will be on the cusp and desperate for a bat
and will send us 2-3 decent prosects i think. just like the blanton/harden/haren trades
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
by 9Custs on May 25, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 CC =/= 2009 Holliday ...
he’s much more similar to 2008 Teixeira … who commanded much, much less than Sabathia …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on May 25, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC there was a really small 1b market last year
but the OF market is going to be larger increasing the price.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on May 25, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so ...
but high end pitchers are always going to be more sought after by contenders — with good reason, adding a high end pitcher will have more impact in the playoffs than adding a high end hitter …
Point being, there will always be reasons to adjust estimates, but Teixeira is a better jumping off point … a very good, but not quite top end hitter, with a good glove at a non-premium position with an expiring contract, at his presumed peak, age-wise, whose career numbers (an OPS in the .920-.930 range) are somewhat inflated by his home park and had never made the playoffs …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on May 25, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Sabbatini (Examiner) is suggesting
Cubs’ top corner infield prospect Josh Vitters for Matt Holliday, and gives his rationale for why he thinks it might be possible.
by OaklandSi on May 23, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm no good with animated stuff, so instead I leave you with:

by OldhamA on May 23, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's going to be Dallas Braden's next look
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on May 24, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace
Great bat, but most scouts do not think he will stick at 3B. The dude’s nickname is “The Walrus.” which sounds similar to Wallace, but wasn’t the motivation for the naming. If he’s a future 1B/DH, Oakland already has players to fill that role.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott
by scatterbrian on May 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"ITS HEDLEY!"

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on May 23, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we trade Geren?
Never, Never, NEVER give up
by hero66 on May 23, 2009 11:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who's Manny Sanguillen playing for these days?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on May 24, 2009 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe for a fungo bat
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
by 9Custs on May 25, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Beane start shaking up the 2002 team
around May 22?
It’s May 24 now…
by OaklandSi on May 24, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't the A's swing a deal for Gordon Beckham (CWS shortstop)?
He projects like a JJ Hardy type and should be either a solid major league SS or a solid major league 3Bman, and either way the A’s would win big.
The White Sox would be greatly improved to add Holliday if they want to make a push this year in the AL Central. The A’s also have Gallagher and Outman to dangle if the Sox want young starting pitching, Wuertz and Casilla for immediate bullpen help, H-Rod for a “high upside” possibility, Buck and Barton for “young talent, buy low.”
Seems like if the A’s want to go hard after a true “left side of the INF” 6 year solution, they have the chips to get it done for Beckham (8th pick overall the 2008 draft).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
on ESPN radio last night I heard that the White Sox
were considering bringing up Beckham to the big club, to play third base. I have no idea how much of that was just speculation by the media — still, the idea that Beckham can handle 3B is out there.
by OaklandSi on May 24, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems highly likely that Beckham will succeed at one of those positions
Seems like the ideal A’s target.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you think it would take to land Beckham
given his high draft status, his performance in AAA, and the possibility that the White Sox may want to call him up right now?
by OaklandSi on May 24, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its close to 0
They wouldn’t give him up for Peavy. Hes their best prospect that could play either of their two unsettled infield positions. The chance is almost nothing.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on May 24, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, I'm terrible at proposing equitable trades,
especially when prospects are involved, so please ignore everything I say.
But I’d say that if Williams feels the AL Central is wide open, he would be very interested in Holliday. That’s a marquee player for now; add a legitimate player for later – be it a young starting pitcher (Simmons?) or a position player (Cristian? Leyja? Barton?) or a “high upside” guy (H. Rodriguez?) and it could be a fair swap.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Other guys who could be in a mix are
Outman, Gallagher, and – ouch – Cardenas, Donaldson.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckham for Cardenas would be an interesting trade
Cardenas is a year younger, but Beckham has shown more power, and plays on the left side of the infield, which is the A’s biggest need.
I don’t know anything about Beckham beyond his stats, but I’d make that trade if I had the chance (though I don’t expect the A’s will have the opportunity).
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on May 24, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
although I don't believe Williams would deal Beckham
if he did I think it probably wouldn’t be for less than Holliday plus at least two of the A’s best prospects (meaning one of MAC, Carter, Donaldson, etc)
by OaklandSi on May 24, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so.
What helps is that the A’s do have enough good prospects that they might be able to give up two without crippling the rebuilding core. Such as Mazzaro and Donaldson, both of whom I would hate to lose, but you’re still left with Cahill, Anderson, Braden, Gallagher, Outman, Gio, and Simmons, and you have 3B potentially solved so Donaldson becomes less crucial to the organization.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a really bad trade for the A's
We give up our only major trading piece AND give up prospects for a single prospect? If Holliday doesn’t get us him AND another prospect or two. Pass.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on May 24, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's fine - then the answer is somewhere in between
If one idea is “giving up too little” and one is “giving up too much,” then there’s a happy middle ground there somewhere that benefits both organizations.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that it may be that no deal is right
One deal was too little for the Sox, the other too much for the A’s. It may be (and I think it is) that what would be enough for the Sox is too much for the A’s.
Not gonna happen.
by ohmangoAs on May 24, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That’s the problem. The Sox shouldn’t give him up for Holliday alone. For them that would probably be a bad deal. We shouldn’t give up Holliday and something else for any prospect. That would be a bad deal for us.
Any deal with Holliday is basically a rental with a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. We need to get high quality back and shouldn’t have to give up more than an All Star caliber player and a pick to do it.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on May 24, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the soxs want Holliday?
It really makes no sense for them.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK
by designatedforassignment on May 24, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do Holliday for Beckham straight up.
but I wouldn’t add another one of the better (MAC, Simmons, Carter, Donaldson, Cardenas) prospects into the mix.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on May 24, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was offered Beckham
for Holliday and Simmons, I’d do it in a minute, personally.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so would I
but I would be shocked if that’s all it took
by OaklandSi on May 24, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is so refreshing to read
Because this whole time I thought I was alone; everyone else is just so great at proposing trades and offering player contracts.
by LowcountryJoe on May 24, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about taking advantage of sabean?
from the merc:
http://www.mercurynews.com/giantsheadlines/ci_12440001?nclick_check=1
I know we have a lot of potential for the rotation (MAC, braden, simmons gio etc..) but if we’re going to give up holliday why not offer him to the giants. now this offer may sound crazy but it was me and my buddy at work (who’s a giants fan) who had a couple hours on our hands: holliday/eveland/buck to the giants for cain/gillespe/frandsen. giants get their slugger, a young OF and eveland who probably needs a change of scenery and be in the NL. A’s get #1 type starter who’s only 24 and under a cheap contract till 2011, a promising 3b in gillespe and frandsen who really needs a change of scenery. what does everybody think? we giving up too much? giants giving up too much?
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on May 24, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For the Giants to part with Cain, they need to get a king's ransom
Cain is the #2 starter every team is looking for. I see the Giants wanting Holliday but don’t really see a match in the other direction. The A’s need a major league ready 3Bman or SS and the Giants don’t have one, other than Sandoval, whom the Giants love (major issue), who doesn’t have the plate discipline the A’s like (minor issue), and who looks like a long-term injury risk (speculation, but if he’s on the A’s a guarantee).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the interview with Sabean in the Mercury News
it’s sounds like he would want someone who is also controllable for a couple of years in exchange for Cain, not someone who would be a free agent after this season. The article also says he will consider free agents, but it sounds like he would only consider giving up lesser talents for one.
by OaklandSi on May 24, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure boras would love to see Holliday go to the Giants
So he could get another zito type deal for Holliday. Sabean seems desperate (or dumb) enough to do it.
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on May 24, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a dumb guy, Sabean's team is sure outperforming our team.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's 'cause they have a manager...
…we should get one of those!
DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...
by Gaijin_Suketto on May 25, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL NL West
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on May 25, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give it time.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on May 25, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and FWIW
the SF Chron’s Schulman asked his Giants’ source, who told him that Sabean is not considering trading Cain, and is not interested in Holliday.
by OaklandSi on May 25, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Uggla is a good target for the Giants
And for the A’s, who could move him to 3B, or if that didn’t work out 1B or DH.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 25, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at 5' 11" and 213 lbs listed he seems big for 2B
I wonder if he’s played 3B.
I sure love his right handed bat!
His numbers during the last week look better than a quick glance at his overall numbers in 2009.
by OaklandSi on May 25, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has always looked out of position at 2B
I don’t know how he’d play at 3B but it seems like he’d have a better chance at being adequate.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 25, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does everyone feel about josh vitters from the Cubs?
They may not need Holliday unless we took back bradley or fukudome. But maybe a package like mazzaro/gio or simmons/buck for vitters. Is that enough going to the Cubs?
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on May 24, 2009 9:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we all drool over Vitters,
but that’s a heck of a lot of pitching leaving Oakland. Given that Vitters hasn’t proven anything above single-A, I’d say yes that’s plenty going to the Cubs.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a lot of pitching to give up.
Just seems like if we’re going to get a 3b or SS for the future its going to be a vitters/moustakas (young, unproven but really talented) and we’re going to have to give up at least 2 high value prospects. i mean unless the mets want mazzaro/gio for david wright.
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on May 24, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Eveland/Giese
We could do that.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 24, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Or i was thinking cameron/schroder for longoria?
Who hangs up first, Friedman or Beane?
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
by jnm on May 24, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally
currently have a boner for Moustakas
Holiday+Simmong+Cunningham?
Fuck you Bob Geren
by supermarc589 on May 25, 2009 12:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be interesting
Still, it’s Moustakas. Everyone wants him.
FIRE GEREN NOW
http://firegerennow.blogspot.com/
by Morgasm on May 25, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has a trade like that ever happened?
I can’t recall a team trading an established MLB Star plus extra players to get one prospect back. The funny thing is I can buy the argument that even with the uncertainty, the 6 potential cost-controlled years of Moustakas have more value than half a season of Holliday, I just don’t think I’ve ever seen it happen.
It would be like if Cleveland had to throw in Laffey and Shin Soo Choo to get get Laporta from the Brewers. I think the collective heads of all the Baseball Tonight commentators would explode if the A’s traded Holliday + to get one A-ball player. That might be a reason to make the deal right there.
I may be wrong but I just can’t imagine the A’s would throw in prospects with Holliday to get one prospect back. I think Beane will be able to get back a pretty good return for Holliday by himself if he is moved. The only add on I could see is maybe a reliever like Springer.
by DiegoAsFan on May 25, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BB'd probably get a couple more prospects too ...
but lesser (read: younger) ones than Simmons and Cunningham …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on May 25, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way supermarc, that's trrble
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
by 9Custs on May 25, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean says he won't trade for a rental.
probably why he’s a terrible GM
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
by 9Custs on May 25, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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