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A's Work OT to end skid; Holliday's HR stings Rays

The merry-go-round of runners that had haunted Oakland pitching the last four days was put to a stirring halt by Josh Outman and friends. 

It nearly went for naught.

But Matt Holiday saved the day with a two-out, three-run homerun to break a scoreless tie in the eleventh inning, and the A's held on for a 4-1 win, ending their losing skid at four games.

After ten consecutive goose eggs by both pitching staffs, Oakland caught a much-needed break in the eleventh. With Kurt Suzuki aboard via a walk with two out, Jack Cust reached on an error by shortstop Jason Bartlett, setting the stage for Holliday's heroics. The A's added a fourth run on an RBI-double by Adam Kennedy, who is turning out to be a nifty pick-up for Oakland.

Josh Outman was outstanding, man, allowing just three hits and a walk in six innings of work. He worked out of a jam in the third, striking out B.J. Upton and Carl Crawford with two men on.  In the sixth he received some help from Holliday and Ryan Sweeney in the field before punching out homerun leader Carlos Pena to put an exclamation point on a solid effort, in which he K'd six.   

For awhile it looked as if the A's were going to waste Outman's effort, with the way Shields was dealing. At one point he retired 17 straight batters.  Holliday ended the string with a one-out single in the seventh, but Jason Giambi hit into a shift-made double play, 4-5-3.

Michael Wuertz replaced Outman, and gave up a single to Jason Bartlett, who then stole second and went to third on a groundball to second. But Wuertz worked his way out of it by striking out Iwamura and getting Gabe Kapler to line out to center.

Andrew Bailey relieved Wuertz in the eighth and found himself in immediate trouble. After striking out Gabe Gross, he allowed back-to-back singles to Uptown and Crawford. But he struck out Longoria looking. After an intense battle with Pena, who hit a ball just foul that would have broken the tie, Bailey walked him to load the bases, then struck out Bartlett to kill the threat.

Bailey also escaped without being scored upon in the ninth, before handing the ball over to Santiago Casilla, who worked a scoreless tenth, and walked away with the win.

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A's... win?

What are the fans supposed to do now?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 19, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Pierce something!

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 19, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

yay!

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is this "win" you speak of?

will crosby spread his legs so far apart at bat that the games will have to be rated nc-17 -- emperor nobody

by day-to-day on May 19, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's only one thing to do...

Ghost ride the Volvo!

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on May 20, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually

they’d have been knocked out a long time ago. we would not be in this round.

Do you know the way to San Jose?

by eastcoasta'sfan on May 20, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Outman was impressive tonight

That’s not an easy team to keep scoreless. And knowing how the A’s offense has been of late, he just went out there and pitched well.

And damn, did Holliday crush that or what?

by Tyler Bleszinski on May 19, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I have been impressed with outman's last few starts

is this just smoke and mirrors or is he really getting better?

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on May 20, 2009 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, it doesn't seem to be a DiNardian shamrock-in-the-back-pocket stretch

of statistical improbability. He’s getting K’s, he’s not giving up too many BB’s anymore. Anybody know what his FIP is so far this year?

by cityplANner on May 20, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

how do you use the link thingy...

i hit the link thingy…pasted the url…and previewed…but nothing showed up. what am i doing wrong?

by stm72 on May 20, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you want it to show up as text

like this

type the text “like this” into the comment field , select it, and then press the link button, copy and paste, and submit.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on May 20, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

You probably missed the "select it" part,

in which case you created a link on a null text, so the code for the link is actually there but it can’t be seen nor accessed because there’s nothing to click on.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on May 20, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

4-Sho Blez!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on May 20, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

all it took...

was someone other than Nico doing the game threads

by Livermore on May 19, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

it's such a perfect day, glad I could spend it with you

After a crisply-played, fantastically-pitched, error-free, excellent baseball game like that I am not sure what us Negative Nancys are supposed to complain about, someone help me out here. If only poor Chavez would wise up and retire before he is in a wheelchair for life, it’d be a perfect day. Christ, even Holliday looked like he knew what was going on on that swing, somebody pinch me… I liked his postgame interview too, where he talked about Navarro being a pull-only hitter when it comes to power, unable to drive the ball on pitches that get deep on him, and that is why he was playing shallow on that blooper he caught and almost doubled the guy off second there.

Now, if this team were smarter-than-the-average-bear, they’d come out tomorrow all with the yellow/gold Outman stirrups and the socks pulled up, and keep it that way.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on May 19, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

and on that positive note - and goodnight mrs. calabash!

where ever you are.

alaska A residing in colorado. (soon in Idaho)

by ak_A on May 19, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's truly amazing how unpredictable this season has been.

Who knew Outman would do well. Gotta love baseball.

"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT

by travdog6 on May 19, 2009 8:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Me?

Id like to claim credit

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on May 19, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Credit where it's due

Outman is making a strong case for himself. His ability to get out of trouble by striking people out is an obvious strength. When he pitches well, Outman’s stuff seems to move, and his velocity makes it tough on opposing hitters.

Your stats made a good case for Outman. His early results this season didn’t. Score one for the stats.

by bear88 on May 19, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

Sometimes a small sample size is just a small sample size. Also I like him for his stirrups :-).

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on May 19, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

And his fantabulous pitcher's name!

I was going to buy a copy of The Power of Positive Thinking, and then I thought: "What the hell good would that do?"

by Jackson23 on May 20, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m too lazy to go back around looking at my posts, but preseason I was of the seemingly very small pro-Outman, anti-Gallagher camp. So, like, back pats all around, guys. Nothing like good self-aggrandizement.

by walk off bunt on May 20, 2009 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you go to your user page

you can use the search function to help locate any post you’ve made on AN. Has a 1984 feel about it. Anyway, it took me about a minute to find evidence of your Outman support dating back to January. Also put your faith in current #1 pitcher Braden. Well done sir.

Here’s one pat on the back.

"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack

by GoA's on May 20, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was really fucking fun.

Outman, Bailey, Holliday.

Major props to Outman for his performance.

The way Bailey got out of that jam (jams? I can’t remember) was really impressive. He has got great stuff.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on May 19, 2009 8:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha!

They just played the Adam Sandler version of Holiday. Freaking hilarious!

by lynnzgal on May 19, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions  

As a

Rays Fan, I have to say that was a good game! The 11th inning would have been over if not for JasonBartlett’s error, and you guys took advantage of it. That, and the fact that we pretty much stranded a bunch of baserunners in scoring position.

Anyway, Looking forward to see you tomorrow!!!

We need Robots....The time is now Bud.

by 4QB on May 19, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed - I root for the Rays when they're not

playing a team they rhyme with. Bartlett was the “goat” – k’d the bases loaded, then made the error – but I’d take him on the A’s any day of the week, fo shizzle. I’ll take Shields, too, if he’s in the way.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 19, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we take

pretty much everyone we can from the team we rhyme with.

by lynnzgal on May 19, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, thanx for AK-47

Now if we could only get that Longoria guy from them…

Your 2009 Oakland Athetics: This time, it's personal.

by Kallus on May 19, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

so you like the Jays?

I knew it.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on May 19, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the props...

especially as everyone knows this one could’ve easily gone the other way. Hats off to Shields… tough luck in a masterful outing. He now knows how it is to be an A’s starting pitcher…

See you tomorrow and Thursday!

by A's72737489 on May 19, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

man

What do you think was up with Longo in that game!? Wasting an effort like Shields’ could be a big turning point for the Rays if they don’t rebound in this series.

by Basebal_Equals_Life on May 20, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rays about as successful against LHers this season as the A's are.

See: not good.

Petaluma/Cotati’s Gomes missed a little more than they thought he would be. Well, okay, the 2005-2007 version of Jonny, anyhow…well, I miss him playing for the Rays, though the 8-Ball’s probably just as happy watching Reds games…

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 20, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I sat and watched the whole game...

and awaited the inevitable calamity that usually befalls us. So maybe I can complain about the A’s failing to live up to my expectations yet again. Only this time, I’m not as pissed as I usually am.

Man did Holiday crush that ball. How many rows up did it land?

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on May 19, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

It was monstrous.

Maybe 10-12 rows?

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on May 19, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your sig line cracks me up.

I have no idea why.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on May 20, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because it's hilarious.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on May 20, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno that I'd go that far.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 20, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Guess you had to be there.

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on May 20, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Again - and I hate to repeat myself but tonight I'll make an exception -

BIlly Beane is a passionate baseball genius who continues to be years ahead of the curve!!!!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 19, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

fire the manager ......

and maybe we will get some consistency

it was a much needed win and lets hope this can get us rolling

by Wreckonized on May 19, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank You Mr. Outman

After seeing the junk thrown in the last four games, your pitching effort is sincerely appreciated. Kudos also to Wuertz, Bailey, & Casilla.

For anyone who saw this game, did Outman continually shake off any of Suzuki’s calls? I gotta know how Suzuki is doing calling pitches? I know he can’t help someone like Gallagher, but maybe Outman got into a groove with Kurt.

Paddle Faster! I hear banjo music.

by alpine26 on May 19, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

They

seemed to be working well together. I did notice at one point that Suzuki appeared to get frustrated with Geren though. First you could see him gesturing with his glove for Geren to run through the signs again. Then it looked like he shouted briefly in that direction? It seemed like a high stress situation (and thus plausible Kurt might be rushing Geren a bit to protect his pitcher’s focus) because I think this was the first Bailey jam.

by Basebal_Equals_Life on May 20, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Geren calling all the pitches?

or just key situations?

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 20, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah it is...

for some reason i thought it was in the low 90s

The last two times he was dealing Garen pulled him with 87 pitches and 78 respectively. Which i was not happy with.

Regardless, I think they should have given him the chance to start the 7th

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on May 19, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, Geren is as Geren does, so...

Your 2009 Oakland Athetics: This time, it's personal.

by Kallus on May 19, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Geren got this one right.

I agree with plenty of the other criticisms of Geren, but his use of the bullpen tonight was flawless, I think.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on May 20, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute..

I think you have some extraneous words in there…I think it should read…“His bullpen is flawless”

"It calms down as we get further from Opening Day " Jeff

by tresselfan on May 20, 2009 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The NBA?

I hate the Lakers.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on May 19, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NHL?

I hate the Red Wings.

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on May 20, 2009 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

other sports?

loathe them.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 20, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

I hate pitch counts! Let Outman go! Let him pitch way over 100 pitches! Nice win, Bitches! (That was for you, Tony!) Nice write up, 67! Let’s hope for more good pitching tomorrow! Go A’s!

"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." -Jessica Rabbit

by A'sfansince1970 on May 19, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far

But 110 – 115 pitches wouldn’t have killed his arm and he was dealing.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on May 19, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Prior was a dirty scap loader!

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 20, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could only listen to the game until the seventh inning

because I had to go to an activity tonight. But I had a good feeling about the game. I thought that if the A’s could just hang on until Shields got taken out they’d have a chance.

by OaklandSi on May 19, 2009 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Blanton for Outman

Not looking so bad now. Maybe this is when the A’s turn it around and win 10 straight!

"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." -Jessica Rabbit

by A'sfansince1970 on May 19, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Straight up, it's a good (to great) trade...

and supposedly there’s this Cardenas guy too…

Your 2009 Oakland Athetics: This time, it's personal.

by Kallus on May 19, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dont forget about spencer either.

Also IIRC we saved like $4m this year from that deal.

In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor on FK

by designatedforassignment on May 19, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

10 straight?

Pessimist.

"It calms down as we get further from Opening Day " Jeff

by tresselfan on May 20, 2009 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

at least tonight the matt holliday we traded for

showed up. maybe he can keep this up and we can get a little offense going. We cant leave it up to kurt and Jack the entire season.

oh and Kennedy has been a nice suprise tooo.
Great win tonight.

by Twan54321 on May 19, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

You gotta believe

Holliday, Giambi, and Cust will all hit at least 30 home runs this year. As far as Giambi, the one year that looked like he was going down, he turned it around and got comeback player of the year. He said it’s one of his proudest moments. I hope we can get hot before Nomar returns. He will just be the topping on the cake. I’m sure our pitchers saw the game tonight, and hopefully Outman can continue to set the standard in the lineup.

by SFBAsportsfan on May 19, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Please don't have faith

in injury prone 3rd baggers. I’m sure Nomar has some as of yet undiagnosed ailment that will effectively end his career.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on May 20, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holliday and Cust, yes

they’re young, good and on the upswing. Giambi and Nomar, I doubt. They are clearly not young or on the upswing. Good – well, Giambi’s sample this year is neither small nor good; nomar’s is small and not all that good. I hope I’m wrong about Giambi and Nomar, of course. But I don’t have any reason for optimism.

Do you know the way to San Jose?

by eastcoasta'sfan on May 20, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Optimist

Nationals – 27 Losses
Cleveland – 26 Losses
Baltimore – 23 Losses
DBacks – 23 Losses
Rockies – 23 Losses
Twins – 22 Losses
White Sox – 22 Losses
Padres – 22 Losses
Mariners – 22 Losses
A’s – 22 Losses
Rays – 21 Losses
Pirates – 21 Losses
Marlins – 21 Losses

Wow, Clevelanders must really be hating life.

by Colorado Fan on May 20, 2009 12:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Pretty eye-opening list if you ask me

Florida really came down to earth in a hurry, Seattle and San Diego as well. Can’t believe the D-Backs are as bad as they’ve shown. That AL Central sure isn’t looking very good.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on May 20, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haa haa

I’ve got tickets to the A’s/Tribe in early July at the Jake (or whatever they call it now). I’m hoping the Tribe still sucks by that point to reduce my chances of hearing that inglorious “Oakland sucks!” jeckle. Damned team! Glad to hear their record is so crappy. :)

"It's never 'just a game' if you're winning" - George Carlin

by bluelightrain84 on May 20, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Recapping the 11th inning......

When Holliday came up to bat I had one of those, “Oh shit, he’s gonna crush one right fucking now!”, flashes…….swear to God I saw it happen all at once! Wow, it’s about fucking time, Matt! Thank you for the win brother! -MRod

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on May 20, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions  

I've had those flashes for a lot of his ABs this season, no joke...

The difference is, this time he actually did it!

I was going to buy a copy of The Power of Positive Thinking, and then I thought: "What the hell good would that do?"

by Jackson23 on May 20, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you 50+ and female?

That could explain it . . .

Do you know the way to San Jose?

by eastcoasta'sfan on May 20, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I totally had a flash of him hitting a homerun just like that

immediately after he did it.

It was amazing.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 20, 2009 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

sure,

that old children’s tale from the sea.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 20, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know, for kids!

I switched Cabreras when your back was turned!

by Elvez on May 20, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Guys

Keith Foulke is attempting a comeback!

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on May 20, 2009 7:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Bad spellers of the world untie.

by A'sfaninNC on May 20, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I love that shot!

Do you know the way to San Jose?

by eastcoasta'sfan on May 20, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's ok, we got craig breslow instead.

"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."

by DyeLongJustice on May 20, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Craig Breslow FTW!!

I’m getting my playoff tickets now.

by cityplANner on May 20, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just saw the highlight.

That ball was crushed.

The most amazing part was it kinda looked like he reached for it and didn’t put the best swing he could have on the ball. Wow.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 20, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I read in Chronicle that Mazzaro will most likely be called up

due to a doubleheader in Texas May 29th. They need 6 starters due to this.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/20/SP7317NCOB.DTL

You have to paste the whole link to get it to work

by Trainman on May 20, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Stupid stupid stupid.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 20, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

ooooh! Mazarro coming up soon? Me likey!

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on May 20, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Um, why?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 20, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's the hot hand right now...

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 20, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has more experience in the minors than Cahill and Anderson had

Might as well learn up here. He’s a year older and the other options like Edgar Gascan Gonzalez does not cut it, rebuilding or not IMO.

by Trainman on May 20, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

He also has the shiny mystique of the unknown about him

Every time a new starter comes to The Show it’s a chance to watch another Hudson dominate out of nowhere. The sweet tasting hope of glorious potential.

"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack

by GoA's on May 20, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't lose the year of club control, right?

I think that’s late enough to preserve the extra year.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 20, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

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