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Chavez retirement a real possibility (updated 5/19/09)

Susan Slusser has an extensive article, including an interview,with Eric Chavez.

He has just gotten terrible news that he has a herniated disk in his back. He is still hoping to strengthen himself enough to be able to play, but anything -- playing, carrying a suitcase, getting up from a chair -- could cause it to go even worse. He said in the article that he knew he'd eventually have to get surgery to fuse the disk, which would make athletic activity impossible. However, he thought he had about 10-15 years before needing to do the surgery. Now with this latest news he knows that time is sooner.

I loved watching Eric at third base! But it seems to me that it is not worth the risk to his health beyond baseball to try to come back this year and play third base under this cloud.

Slusser also speculates on the free agent third basemen who will be on the market after this offseason, such as Figgins and Beltre.

It's time, Eric.

Update 5/19/09: Rotoworld is reporting that the A's have transferred Chavez to the 60 Day DL. Not confirmed yet on the A's site, but hardly surprising. They'll likely put Eric's best buddy Eric Munson on the 40 man roster in order to bring him up to be the backup catcher...as we know Powell hurt his hamstring yesterday so is likely going on the DL. More updates: the A's website is now confirming that Chavez was moved to the 60 day DL.  Slusser writes on Tuesday around 1:20 PM Pacific Time that she's surprised about Chavez being moved to the 60 day DL, as he had thought he could be ready to play by the end of May -- this pushes his return (if that happens) to late June.

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Fuck.

He’s done.

I’ve been there. My body failed me in my 1st year of college and I could no longer play soccer at a competitive level.

I’ve been a huge defender and supporter of Chavez, but it’s time to be realistic. It was an absolute privilege to watch him play the game, but it’s time to let go.

When it’s all said and done, we’re talking about a guy in his early 30s who is perilously close to wrecking himself for life.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 18, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if chavez feelsbad about his contract

he would retire and get A’s off the hook fromthe remaining money.
on the flipside, i dont trust beane with contracts. if chavez/holliday contract are off the books after 09 thats a huge chunk of money spend.
trades- come on down freese, craig, kouzmanoff, laroche, dewitt

by Asfan4ever723 on May 18, 2009 11:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

two possibilities

The A’s could buy Chavez’s contract out, a real possibility, or they could put him on the 60 Day DL for the next two years, and collect the insurance money, for whatever they get for it.

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on May 19, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on May 19, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

He didn’t have a risk of injuries before he signed that contract. He was a great player and was signed at the ripe young age of 26.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on May 19, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavy's contract and performance has crippled the team for the last 3 years

I think his (and Crosby’s) contract and injuries put the A’s in a terrible position that effectively crippled the team for years. The team could never go out and get another legitimate 3rd baseman because they didn’t have the money to spend on potentially getting a very expensive back-up. With money committed to a left-side of the infield that was either injured or playing poorly as they came back from injury; the team had very few options. The only plausible scenario I could see would have been to pass on Holliday, which almost seems like a no-brainer at this point, and attempt to get somebody who could play 3rd and 1st (ie. Youkilis…yes, I know he wasn’t on the block).

by CarneyLansfordFan on May 19, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally disagree that he crippled the team

I’m not the biggest Chavez fan, as I do think his offense is way over-rated, but this is a bit over-the-top, IMHO.

1) His (and Crosby’s) contract is not that big, consider what we had.

2) At the time he signed the contract, he did NOT have a history of injuries.

3) His presence did not preclude the team from having or developing a good 3B prospect. It may have given the team the luxury of not placing it as high on the priority list, but the failure to have any viable options is the team dropping the ball, pure and simple.

4) If any 3B prospect developed and were not needed (i.,e. Chavez stayed healthy and productive), that player could easily have been traded for other needs. It’s not like they’d be stuck blocking an otherwise good player, and young players don’t cost that much.

 #1 and #4 bring me to…

5) I’m starting to develop the opinion that “small market” and “payroll constrictions” is starting to be used by too many as a crutch, even within the team itself. Ok, we’re not going to sign A-Rod, I get that, but Chavez’ contract is relatively reasonable. When people start to say or imply that we couldn’t draft and develop a good 3B prospect because of cost, I’m sorry, but that’s just plain wrong thinking, IMHO. If you want to be competitive as a team, then you have to pay something somewhere. I just don’t buy that money is so tight that they couldn’t afford decent prospects somewhere in the organization at all positions.

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by UncleLeo on May 19, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2. He did have some history of injuries. The shoulder injury is apparently something he had been dealing with since high school, But pretty much every athlete has some history of injuries.

3/4/5. There’s no such thing as a third base prospect. Most third baseman started as something else — Chavez was drafted as a SS, so was Chipper Jones for a couple of examples (Evan Longoria was a SS through JC but switched to 3b early because LB State had Troy Tulowitzki manning the position). Most players drafted as third baseman end up flipping corners — if they weren’t athletic enough to play up the middle at lower levels they are almost certainly not athletic enough to play 3b in the bigs.

Drafting a player with the athleticism to play up the middle and the bat to play at third requires a lot of luck or a high draft pick. Aside from 2008, when they did have a legitimate 3b option when their turn came around (Brett Lawrie) — I’d challenge anyone to identify a legit 3b option who was available when the A’s drafted and was picked within 10 picks or so of that spot in the several years since it started seeming like a good idea to have a plan B at SS.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on May 19, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pat Burrell is another college 3B

drafted #1, ended up moving to 1B and then LF. McGwire was also a college 3B. Best high-profile college 3B who played 3B well in the majors that I can think of off the top of my head was Robin Ventura.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Longoria guy is pretty OK.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zimmerman, too.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I hadn't realized that Zimmerman was such a high pick (#4)

though, knowing that the Expos/Nats made the pick, I should have guessed!

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, aside from Longoria, whom Devo mentioned

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brett Wallace isn't a thirdbase prospect ...

he played 3b in college, but will be lucky to stick at 1b in the pros …

Brett Lawrie’s upside is catcher, his downside is 3b …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on May 19, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to who?

I’ve heard Wallace could potentially stay at 3B for at least a couple of MLB seasons.

by Colorado Fan on May 19, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2005

Pennington, Buck, and Italiano were selected before Chase Headley and Yunel Escobar.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In 2005 Eric Chavez was coming off the best season of his career ... though he did miss a month to injury ...

2005 wasn’t a great draft, admittedly …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on May 19, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the simple argument about Chavez's long term contract

case A)
   Sign Chavez to LTC – what we see
case B)
  Sign Chavez to 3 year contract – Chavez likely not still with A’s, or at a much reduced price.
  Management would have worked to find a better 3B player. And had $$ left over to use to keep other good pitchers.

From an ex-post-factor standpoint, case B is better.
That’s hindsight I admit – at the time, I liked Chavvy at 3B.

by MobiusKlein on May 19, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Chavez sign that contract?

If he was going to avoid the open market and the money it could get him, he wanted some security. 3 years doesn’t do that.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No argument

well, a little. I did admit I’m making an after the fact argument.

I should have listed C) no Chavez contract, or short extension.

For a small market team, making a bet with such a large fraction of your payroll in one player is fatal if the bet goes bad.

And never signing the marquee player pisses the fans off. All in all, it looks like a no win.

by MobiusKlein on May 19, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but since there's no real reason for the player to sign a short extension

the 3 options when free agency is becoming an issue are:

1) Trade (e.g., Hudson, Mulder, Haren)
2) Let ’em walk (e.g., Giambi, Tejada)
3) Sign ’em to a long contract (e.g. Chavez)

And folks complain about all of those.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

very good point

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on May 20, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TY to Eric for some great memories.

It’s time for him to think of his future. Back pain is a bitch and if he doesn’t take care of himself he may end up regretting it for the rest of his life. I hope he makes the right decision for his future happiness in life.

by IM4Oakgal on May 18, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So depressing.

I don’t know why it feels like a punch to the gut when it’s something we’ve all expected for some time now, but I guess I always held out a little glimmer of hope that he would somehow miraculously recover and be the Chavvy we all remember. You’ve gotta wonder if things would have been different had he not played through all that pain and gotten surgery at the first time of trouble, but I certainly can’t blame him for wanting to wait as long as he did. I’d probably put it off too if this was the worst case scenario.

Sigh.

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by pam5981 on May 19, 2009 12:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's awful news

because I have enjoyed watching Chavez a lot over the years. The guy made some defensive plays that I still remember. And whatever else you say, he has always seemed like a good guy. It sounds like his back will be a problem for the rest of his life, which is a hell of a thing for such a talented athlete.

As for the team, it’s probably for the best that Chavez’s status be clarified so that no one clings to false hopes.

by bear88 on May 19, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It’s best to give the A’s management clarity on their 3rd base situation and allow them to focus on getting some talent to play 3rd. Crosby is obviously not the answer.

by Wolfgang on May 19, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

He made some amazing plays at third, to the point that we just expected him to get that gold glove every year. He’s accomplished a lot and has much to be proud of.

by lynnzgal on May 19, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't come back Chavy

playing badly for 3 or 4 months is not worth it. Keep the remnants of your health and don’t embarrass yourself on the field with a life changing, or maybe worse, life threatening injury to put the final punctuation on your career. Better to be Semi-Healthy and call it quits early than to stay too long in a lost season and end up seriously injured for the rest of your life.

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on May 19, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that

I realize he wants to do the honorable thing, but there’s no point in risking it.

Besides, do we really want to be holding our breath every time Chavez swings a bat, or dives for a grounder, or even sneezes?

Eric has got to think of his own future now.

by bear88 on May 19, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is just AWFUL news!

i don’t care how little he has contributed the last few years .. he will always be one of my favorite players!

i hope for some miracle that chavvy will still be able to play for a few more years!

""These guys are a different breed of ballclub." - Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on the A's

by gotgreen on May 19, 2009 12:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Look, I know the A’s are sucking and that Chavez hasn’t done anything on the field the past 2-3 years, but lay off the guy already.

His career is possibly done and don’t think it’s just his baseball life that’s effected.

Have a slight bit of compassion.

by Walton711 on May 19, 2009 12:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who are you talking to here?

I haven’t read any comments above yours that are lacking any compassion.

I switched Cabreras when your back was turned!

by Elvez on May 19, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely horrible

I suppose it makes some sort of ironic sense that I saw this bit of news just after re-watching Game 3 of the 2006 ALDS in which Chavvy belted a homer to give the A’s the advantage over the Twins on the way to an eventual sweep. The idea that he’ll probably never play again… just terrible. I didn’t think he had much of a future with the A’s past 2010, but I held out hope that he might make a comeback eventually with some other team. Damn.

In my mind, this is, as far as the sporting world goes, a fair tragedy. We are talking about somebody who had the talent to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, but was so limited by injuries that his legacy will be essentially that of a footnote— perhaps as being known as one of the most talented players to never be on an All-Star team.

I’m glad SuSlu added in that timeline at the end of the article, because if you really look at it, you realize what Eric Chavez accomplished. And of what we’ve been deprived since 2006. Thanks for everything, Chavvy.

by Joey C. on May 19, 2009 12:55 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Chavvy is a true athletic and will always have place in the baseball wing of my heart. I hope the organization keeps him as a coach.

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by oaklandSMASH on May 19, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i went through rosters, here are some 3b

in BP top 100

4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Pirates
21. Mike Moustakas, 3B, Royals
26. Matt Dominguez, 3B, Marlins
34. Josh Vitters, 3B, Cubs
37. Brett Wallace, 3B, Cardinals
58. Mat Gamel, 3B, Brewers
94. Jefry Marte, 3B, Mets

LaRoche
Encarnacion
Fields
Hodges
Kouzmanoff
Headley
Antonelli
Stewart
Freese
Craig
Green
Dewitt
Wood
Hughes
Valaika
Francisco

by Asfan4ever723 on May 19, 2009 1:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think it would be hard to work out a deal for Craig or Freese

The Cardinals have a lot of third baseman and a guy named Pujols at 1B.

by NateHST on May 19, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Freese is hurt

Continued ankle soreness stemming from a January auto accident.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 19, 2009 5:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True Athletic!!!

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moustakas

is playing SS now, I believe…

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by Kelly on May 19, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's cool, we need one of those too

why not get a guy who’ll stick at either SS or 3B? Either way, we win.

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by Kallus on May 19, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That I may have seen....

….Chavez’s last HR at the Coliseum during the Bay Bridge Series in preseason was not a thought that ever occurred to me. During the early ‘00s, I may not have realized how special a player I was watching and I’m sorry for that. Still, Chavvy brings a lot of memories. That play where he tagged the runner at 3b before throwing to first may have been the best play I’ve ever seen a 3b make.

Chavvy, I hope you completely recover to play at a high level again, but if you can’t, I’d love to see you spend the rest of your life healthy and perhaps as a coach or member of the organization. You always will be a badass puppy.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on May 19, 2009 2:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Shitty news. I hope he makes the call to elect for surgery sooner rather than later.

And if he does, I hope that there’s enough good will left between the parties that Chavez is willing to help out the organization. Oh, don’t get me wrong, Eric should get all the money that’s coming to him but if Beane should have to spend money right now, I hope that Eric would be willing to restructure his contract and defer some money (with interest and inflation protection) owed to him in future years.

by LowcountryJoe on May 19, 2009 2:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

re

I don’t blame Chavez for being hurt, that’s absurd. I also don’t blame Beane for signing Chavez to the extension. I blame Beane for keeping Clarence Cockrell around for six years. It’ll probably be at least another two years before the A’s are past Cockrell’s presence. Makes me sick to think of the way Chavez, Crosby, and Harden were ruined by back and shoulder injuries (not to mention the injuries to everybody else). So preventable with proper conditioning. Cockrell was a massive negative influence on this team. Beane should have been on that years ago. What was he thinking?

by AgitationStation on May 19, 2009 3:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call.

We’re still paying for that guy’s philosophies on strength and conditioning.

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by Nico on May 19, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some quick, rough math

The A’s owe Chavez owe $22.25 million over the next 3 years, with about $7.25 of that being paid this season. The A’s should place Chavez on the 60 day DL, pay him his 2009 wages and then buy out the remainder of his contract. Chavez retires and the A’s can spend the savings (let’s call it two $3 million payments, one in 2010 and the other in 2011… total savings = $9 million) on other players.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on May 19, 2009 4:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

won't work...

he’ll get paid every penny next year, then the 3m buyout for 2011.

The union will see to that.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 19, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless he retires.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This just sucks

Like many, Chavez has been one of my favorite A’s over the last decade or so. He’s one of those guys I always hoped would be a 1-team player for his career, but this is not how I envisioned it.

One of my favorite baseball memories was watching him hit 2 homeruns in Atlanta in 2005 to help get a win for Zito.

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by JLeverenz on May 19, 2009 6:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nobody deserves to have their career cut short by an injury

but Chavez really doesn’t deserve it — he seems like a genuinely good person, a conscientious teammate, a very hard worker, a guy who’s fully willing to play hurt without complaining, and, obviously, a tremendous ballplayer. I feel really bad for him.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on May 19, 2009 6:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts & questions...

1) I’ve always loved Chavez’ defense.

2) I’ve never been a fan of his hitting… or rather, his lack of timely hitting.

3) I am not happy to see him go out like this, though given the last year-plus it is not surprising.

4) I still feel that, given the circumstances of the moment, signing Chavez long-term over Tejada was a good move. If they had to choose only one, I mean.

5) Now for the question, would his contract be guaranteed if he retires due to legitimate baseball injury? Or, for it to be guaranteed would he technically have to “play the rehab game” and go through the motions?

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 19, 2009 7:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

feel bad for the guy, but he needs to retire now.

it is time for the a’s to move past the chavez era. chavez seems to be the last pinning to the rpevious era, and the a’s have needed to move past it for a while. i wish the guy all the best, and would love to see him as a coach. his demeanor and knowledge would be perfect for coaching.

by greendatitiz on May 19, 2009 7:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 on coaching

He could be the new Ron Washington.

by cityplANner on May 19, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

should he retire now - yes, but...

I feel really bad for chavez and the right thing to do is retire, but if knew your back could “Go Out” on a sneeze or getting up on a chair, I would rather injure it doing something I love.

Chavez – another surgery will happen, a sneeze you will do, do something you love until you can do it anymore.

I have already had back surgery, and just recently a R labrum shoulder tear from playing baseball – and I can’t think of a better way to “Go Out” then doing something I love.

by ryanmoser on May 19, 2009 8:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow this is pretty brutal

I am so glad we drafted Brett Wallace…o wait.

by sourstuff on May 19, 2009 8:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah but we have bobby crosby as a long term 3B option...

o wait.

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by winchester5 on May 19, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad day.

He was always my Favorite. I have his jersey on my wall. If he retires I will be missed.

"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com

by Syphon on May 19, 2009 9:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bummer

Chavez has been a favorite of mine since 1999. I love that he plays 3rd base like a vacuum, That he could hit for power to anywhere on the field, that he isn’t afraid to tell it like it is… just bummer.

In hindsight, the “2006 go for it ALCS” team seems like there was a lot of risks taken that have had longer term repercussions… Most notably letting Chavez play the whole year with his body completely screwed up for an entire season.

My personal favorite memory will always be in game 3 of the 2006 ALDS. In between the first and second innings I turned to my brother and said, “Chavez is going to hit one off the 72, 73, 74, 89 sign on the front of the second deck.” Literally a few pitches later he missed that sign by a few feet, but put the A’s on the board and they rolled from to a 4 ruin lead over the next two innings… It was the first time I had been that excited since I was 14 years old and watching the 1989 World Series.

by jeffro on May 19, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

typos abound

sorry. I must be vehklempt

by jeffro on May 19, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I called that homerun, too.

Actually it was a premonition, but when he hit it out, I knew it was our day.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 19, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't.

Though I knew that once it crossed the fence, we had scored at least one run. People were amazed.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 19, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, it was like a movie.

Without the Milk Duds.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 19, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like Milk Duds. I like the concept of

Milk Duds. The theory of Milk Duds sounds delicious. The real Milk Duds try to remove my teeth from their proper spaces.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 19, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, I can't eat them.

Movie popcorn, however, I’ll eat it, drink it, snort it, you name it. And then wear the bucket as a hat.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 19, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, hell, bubba, that goes without saying.

My first wife left me because of my popcorn bucket-wearing ways. I think they even wrote a country song after me.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 19, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

I love me some Duds, but I’m surprised I still have any fillings (or teeth, for that matter).

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by doctorK on May 19, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a part of me that wonders...

…if we’re at this point now because he played hurt for so long then. I mean, being a stud is good, and I hate players (like Milton Bradley, as one example) that can’t seem to stay on the field for more than a couple weeks at a time, but I also believe you have to balance that with some sort of long-term perspective in keeping players healthy when they’re hurting.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 19, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really upset

could say you feel bad for the guy, but he never lived up to that franchise player contract. eventually he would have made 80+mill off the A’s during his entire career. despite the back injury, he’ll live comfortably off the field. if A’s save any money through insurance,buyout, etc thats most important. Chavez was the chosen one by Beane and one of the main reasons why this team has had declined to 1 playoff appearance in 5 yrs. Time to move on!!

by Asfan4ever723 on May 19, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean Eric Chavez can file for Social Secuirty Disability?

Just wondering.

"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."

by VORP is too nerdy on May 19, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From SuSlu's article
With this news, Oakland is certain to look for young, top-tier third basemen in any potential trades, because the A’s have no surefire prospects at the position in the minors, or the club might have to investigate free-agent third basemen this winter. Adrian Beltre, Chone Figgins and Pedro Feliz are the most high-profile names among the potential free agents.

Of those three free agents -
Beltre: Oh yes, OH yes, OH GOD YES PLEASE NOW NOW NOW NOW
Chone: No thanks, he’s too slegnA-like (although it would be fun to see the HH crowd suddenly turn on him)
Happy Peter: DO NOT WANT

"Until Holiday comes around, I will refer to him as Coors Light." Ak_A

by doctorK on May 19, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll take Pedro over Chone six days a week and twice on Sundays.

NO WAY I want Chone anywhere near the A’s.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 19, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously? I'd LOVE to have Figgins

Remember he can play 2B and CF too.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 19, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and leadoff.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES YOU DO!

{hold fingers in ears}

NYAHNYAHNYAHNYAH

I CAN’T HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING!

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 19, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my video game alternate reality

Figgins has already been on the A’s for five years. (I traded Eric Byrnes for him!)

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 19, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably on the DL

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not very often...

In my game, Figgins pretty much hits .300 with 10 dingers every year, with an average walk rate. I’m still playing MLB 2005, so it’s not as if it’s a hardcore simulation or anything… just for fun…

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 20, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

none of the above IMO

lol pedro feliz…please no
this is the best farm system in mlb by some publications…i find it hard to believe they wont be able to acquire one through trade

by Asfan4ever723 on May 19, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beltre would just cost money though.

why give up talent too?

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beltre can't hit anymore.

Figgins is a heck of a player for the right price.

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 19, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't hit anymore?

Cmon..it is 6 weeks into the season and he is struggling. But as consistent as he has been at the end of they ear the last 3 years, I am sure the last 20 weeks will be fine. Slumps happen and easy to say from 6 weeks he can;t hit, but takes more than 6 weeks to determine that…esp when he just turned only 30.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on May 19, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But but but

Beltre’s not my nemesis and he’s not named after men’s underwear.

Define "succeed." --Poppy

by Leopold Bloom on May 19, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because *you* wear it, LB,

doesn’t make it “men’s” underwear.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on May 19, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and just because I'm wearing lacy panties right now

doesn’t make it womens’ underwear, either!

DOUBLE REVISED- The magical goblins that live in the Reverend Billy Lard's shower just told him that actually, nobody's gonna improve this year and everyone will be released by June except for Suzuki and Cust... Sorry, kids...

by Gaijin_Suketto on May 20, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beltre aint a slap hitter.....

25 HR a year….

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on May 19, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lurie just said that Wakamatsu benched Beltre

and asks whether he’d be a cheap rental…

by OaklandSi on May 19, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the steroid era that was a slap hitter.

I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup

by UncleLeo on May 19, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeanine: You don’t do heavy metal in doubly.
Nigel: In what? In what?
Jeanine: In doubly.
Nigel: In Dublin!!! What’s that?
David: She means Dolby all right? She means Dolby you know? You know
perfectly well what she means.

by Rocktopus on May 19, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a question:

Has Eric ever explored the possibility of chiropractic therapy as well? Having back surgery is always a last resort and can also end up doing more harm than good. Obviously his health for the long term is more important because no one would want Chavvy to end up a cripple for life. I just wonder if he has ever thought about the alternatives….hell I have a couple of great doctors I could refer him to here in my neck of the woods. Spinal fusion just sounds like the end…. ;(

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on May 19, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he has:
The only way Chavez has found to alleviate the problem is by chiropractic adjustment. He sees a chiropractor regularly in the Bay Area — he can go daily, if needed, he said, but he’s currently on an every-other-day schedule. On the road, he has set up visits with chiropractors in nearly every city the A’s visit. Chavez covers all his chiropractic expenses.

link

And I want to say at some point, either before this season or last season, the A’s brought on a chiropractor as well?

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on May 19, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who ended up sick and hospitalized

not that it’s necessarily related…

by OaklandSi on May 19, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, it was the team's masseur who got sick

as of October 2008 the A’s team chiropractor was Dr. Alan Cheng, who has offices in Campbell and San Francisco.

by OaklandSi on May 19, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough news

Although I don’t think any of us are surprised.
I will miss his plays at third and that potential when he was at bat.
I agree with OaklandSi that it is not worth his longterm health to come back and continue playing ball.

"It’s kind of like wishing one of our current players would turn into the second coming of Rickey." 67Marquez. April 28, 2009

by LongTimeFan on May 19, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is great news, about three years too late

All due respect Chavvy, I love your contribution over the years but dude, you are toast.

A true warrior would fall on his sword and clear the way for someone else who can play everyday, someone not named Hannahan.

Thanks for playing. Retire. Now. Please.

concocting something witty....check back frequently

by OptimistPrime on May 19, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sarcasm

Look into it, it’s sweeping the nation.

concocting something witty....check back frequently

by OptimistPrime on May 19, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't see the sarcasm...

“All due respect Chavvy…but dude, you are toast” If you loved his contributions, you wouldn’t refer to him as a burnt slice of bread. That sounds pretty disrespectful. Just saying.

Your 2009 Oakland Athetics: This time, it's personal.

by Kallus on May 19, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Sarcasm" today =

“Mean and nasty, but you’re supposed to think it’s funny.”

There are entire cable channels devoted this concept.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on May 20, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Applause!

Dont blow Bailey.

by brian.only on May 20, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, a 25 year old male, seriously feel like crying, right now, in my office at work.

I feel like one of my good friends is dying or something. I know there are bigger problems in life but I am kind of depressed now.

My wife will be really upset, she always has loved Chavy. He even hit a HR when we went to a game on her Birthday.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on May 19, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not Joel Galaraga?

He’s hitting .357/.449/.476 at AAA.

by NateHST on May 19, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

perhaps -- the A's haven't added any catchers to the 40 man roster yet

Slusser seemed to think that Munson would get the call, as he has MLB experience and is also hitting well. He also has experience playing 1B…and wasn’t he originally a third baseman?

by OaklandSi on May 19, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Chavy.

And as much as I would love to see him play again, it certainly seems like it’s just not worth it. I really don’t want to see him ruin his back in the middle of a game, going up the dugout steps or picking up his bat or just walking out onto the field. I think he just needs to take care of himself now, and maybe come back to coach or something. It’s sad that Casey Chavez has been so much more visible than Eric over the past few years… especially because I can’t see Casey without thinking of Eric.

Oh, Chavy. I’ll miss you. Actually, I already do.

by whiteshoes40 on May 19, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If I do a retro-piece

Will you provide the pics? My newspaper clipping days ended in the early 90’s. I guess I can search the Internet, but not as much fun.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 19, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, I'd help out.

I have some pics saved on my computer and could probably find some from old A’s magazines. And I’m sure plenty of other people around here have some good photos too.

And any retro-piece for which I provide the pics must include this:

by whiteshoes40 on May 19, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FREE KRAUT
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on May 19, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost posted this last night.

For posterity’s sake, of course.

(full disclosure: this is my “I’m having a bad day and looking at this picture will cheer me up” picture. I guess he could still be a full-time model.)

Nico: Okay. We have twelve hours to make a really big pickle.

by pam5981 on May 19, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome.

Yeah I wasn’t singling you out. You just seem to have this thing for pic-posting.

And yes, that pic above is a must.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 19, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised

that she didn’t link to this photo

by OaklandSi on May 19, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the coaching or managing idea

Maybe not immediately into a manager, like AJ Hinch, but I could definitely see him as a coach.

"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."

by Blicks on May 19, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Other AL West fans are truly sorry to hear about Chavvy

Here’s our discussion at LSB. He’s been a favorite to watch around the division.

http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/5/19/880070/eric-chavezs-career-in-jeopardy#comments

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on May 19, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow....J. Herrera was released, too? Gio & Gags sent back down

So, when does Geren get the axe?

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on May 19, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Message from Blez

Was going to put this in the game thread (and still might) but since it’s only thirty minutes away…

Oakland A’s third baseman Eric Chavez spoke with Mindi Bach by phone from his home in Phoenix regarding his back injury and what it means for his career.

Chavez’s conversation will be on A’s Pregame Live at 3:30 p.m. and posted on www.csncalifornia.com.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 19, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks 67M!

Yeah, I’ll still be at work, so…

by lynnzgal on May 19, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No prob!

Same here, dear…

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on May 19, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here, dear.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This could be a sad day...

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on May 19, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't need immediate surgery

Wants to rehab, take 3-4 weeks and try to get back on the field.

Was looking at 3 more weeks anyway, so going to the 60 day DL is only a week longer htan he was gonna be out anyway.

With the MRI, they were surprised the symptoms weren’t as severe, the MRI looks much worse than his symptoms are showing.

He’s had back symptoms for about 10 years already

Still doesn’t want surgery, no matter if it takes 2 months or 7 months to rehab instead.

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavvy said he thought he could be back by the end of May, perhaps this weekend

however, getting put on the 60 day DL (retroactive to April 25) means he can’t be activated before June 24. That’s almost a month more than Chavvy was hoping for.

by OaklandSi on May 19, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he said he was another 3 weeks out.

There were like 4 little interview deals there.

Either way, the transfer to the 60 day puts him about a week longer than people thought he’d need anyway.

He’s done

"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."

by mikev on May 19, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My feelings regarding Chavez

are no secret on this site. He has frustrated me for years with his horrible approach at the plate and miniscule offensive numbers. They have declined year after year after year. Injuries? Ok, because the guy looks like he’s finished, I’ll accept that injuries played a large factor. It’s too bad.
I would also like to say that I’ve never seen a 3B play his position better — he always was a class act, and probably an incredible person (since I’ve never met him personally, I say “probably”) But he seemed to be a genuinely nice guy.
When he first came up, I saw him hit a ball in old Detroit Stadium that might have been the hardest hit ball I’ve ever seen. He had incredible talent …. but this leads me to my point. What’s “sad” to me isn’t today’s news, so much. It’s watching a guy who obviously can’t do it anymore try and try and try to “come back” only to become a shell of his former self. That’s what’s sad. Watching him flail at pitch after pitch the last few years defined sad. He should’ve retired two years ago. He was a great A, but I’m glad the team can finally move on. It’s way overdue.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on May 19, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You pretty much just summed up my feelings

Always liked Chavey (although I wished at the time that the A’s would have re-signed Tejada since they only had money for one of them) and he was a great defensive third baseman and a streaky hitter. It’s been a while since he’s been able to perform well in all aspects of the game (he always has something hurting) but it’s not from lack of effort.

by worldblee on May 20, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am 15 years old. I moved (back) to the U.S. in 2001. Due to the A’s style, there wasn’t really a team I grew up with. The only exception was Chavez. I sure you can all remember the first team that you grew up with, when all the players were your heroes. In 5th grade I was a baseball player in general for halloween, but I was really Eric Chavez, my favorite player. I even bought an authentic jersey for the costume.

Chavvy is the last link to my childhood basically. I remember my first A’s gear was one of those jersey-shirts of Chavez. It was an adult small and I was 7, so it was pretty much a dress on me. I didn’t care. I still wore it. I always loved Chavez. I didn’t know a lot about baseball and hitting approaches and all that, but as a kid dazzling defensive plays and home runs are the 2 best things. And for a few great years he supplied both. Sadly, injuries have limited him.

Losing Chavvy in a way means something more to me. It is losing one of the last pieces remaining from my childhood. And I really don’t think I am ready to let that go. Losing Swisher and Scutaro (I ripped up the newspaper in both cases) and the other fan favorites really sucked. But losing Chavez will be devastating. I am not entirely sure how I am going to handle it. The end of Chavez’ days will also be the end of my days as a kid. Which is a terrible reality to face.

I'm old enough to understand. Jerks.

by rollonubears on May 19, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

I find it interesting to see all the different emotions throughout this thread and the one that caught my attention the most was yours (rollonubears). I’m not that young, but even at the age of twenty I know exactly what you’re going through.

Well said and yeah, we’re going to miss you Chavy. It hasn’t been the same watching somebody else man third and lack the magic that you showcased every day…and I have a feeling it won’t be for some time.

Best of luck.

"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith

by Boonee on May 19, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rest Of His Life

It is hard for me to believe that Chavvy should risk playing baseball under these circumstances… what if he is injured on the field and damages himself so badly that he was still disabled after spinal fusion surgery? Bobby Orr finally hung up his skates when his doctors told him he could injure himself so badly by continuing to play that he might never walk again.

by muscatel on May 19, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

word

the dude has a young kid, Diego, and a wife. He’s had a great career and provided us with many memories over the years. Of course it’s unfortunate how things have been the last couple of years, but life trumps baseball, always. The emotional highs and lows of the season seem to fade away when real life happens, i.e. Nick Adenhart. I love the competitive spirit as much as the next guy or gal, but looking at the big picture, he prolly should hang ‘em up. Chavvy’s accomplished a lot, and I almost tear up thinking about him taking one of his Gold Gloves off the mantle to show to his kids/grandkids. I won’t feel robbed or cheated. I just feel super lucky that I got to see Chavvy at all. Most aren’t that lucky

Your 2009 Oakland Athetics: This time, it's personal.

by Kallus on May 19, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two young kids, and a third arriving in a few months.

He needs to be able to pick them up.

Prithee, be not perturbed by yon third bagger.

by Poppy on May 19, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't know that. All the more reason to think of the future

Never in my life would I have thought I’d be nudging my hero to hang up the spikes. Yes, I love him that much (man-crush love, mind you)

Your 2009 Oakland Athetics: This time, it's personal.

by Kallus on May 19, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Such sad news.

There are so many great things I remember about Eric Chavez….

—Six Gold Gloves
—One of the longest home runs I have ever seen (it cleared the right field stands at new Comiskey). He had freakish natural power. I loved watching him poke outside pitches over the left field wall at the Coliseum.
—Any number of ridiculous defensive plays, including one of the best double plays I have ever seen. You know, the one where he made a backhanded diving stop, and ran through the bag at third while simulataneouly firing a bullet across the infield to nail the runner at first (was that Toronto?)
—Clubbing a huge homer to help the A’s finally get over the hump in Game 3 of the 2006 ALDS
—He is the best third baseman I have ever seen charge and barehand a bunt or dribbler by a very wide margin
—His endearing (if sometimes frustrating) total lack of filter in public commentary. He was so honest, it never occurred to him whether or not something he said might look bad.

It’s really sad that the one guy the A’s decided to keep in the Beane era never could stay healthy. I will pour a little Goldschlager into my glove for you, good sir.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on May 19, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

In the MLB the Show video games, he is a pitcher’s best friend in road to the show mode. You don’t even have to worry about bunts haha.

Unleash the Honk! Train. Honk Honk.

by rollonubears on May 19, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Guys are Pathetic!

I am a looooong time A’s fan. I remember hyping the A’s in the 71 series and I was in the 5th. I am a Navy guy and have always been faithful to my boys in green and gold. Now here me on this. Someone has let this team down. Either Billy or Eric. I say William. We have been suffering for the past three years awaiting Billy’s Messiah. William has hung on on far to long to a guy he liked. Billy Boy, fix the Hot Corner ASAP! You have the pitching. BTW don’t screw it up like the Haren deal. What were you thinking? Som GM must have called you during an Earthquake match.

by oldnavyfccs on May 19, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Navy--thank you for your service to our country.

As far as the Haren trade, it’s still too soon to say for sure. There were like 6 prospects that we got in return, so we need to see how they pan out before coming to a judgment. We still need to see what happens to Anderson/Carter/Cunningham, and what we get from the CarGon/Smith components in the coming Holliday trade. After all, Haren was a minor part in the Mulder deal, and look what we’ve gotten from that.

Your 2009 Oakland Athetics: This time, it's personal.

by Kallus on May 19, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be very sorry to see his career come to an end like this

Not only was it a thrill to see his amazing defensive work, but he was always a great interview subject: witty, candid and open enough to allow glimpses of doubt, disappointment and other emotions, a far cry from the usual bravado and cliches you get in almost every other interview.

I certainly hope that he not risk his health any further. Someone very dear to me has three herniated discs, and I have seen how agonizing and debilitating it is, every single day.

by Ray of Lite on May 19, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He should have retired after 2004

I called for him to retire in 2005 on AN. That was because I was tired of his horrible attitude and weak hitting and because he represented to me the failure to keep Tejada and the Reign of Crosby. But given his health problems, it now sounds like he should have retired for his own good. I know we’re all A’s fans and predisposed to like our players, but it always amazes me how blind so many here seem to be when it comes to Chavez’s obviously poor psychological state. Granted I haven’t done an in-depth analysis on the guy, but it is clear from his public comments and some of his earlier personal problems that he is a chronic pessimist and defeatist. People here like to celebrate it as “oh, Chavez is so refreshingly honest.” But the reality is that a true leader (and good baseball player) can keep their head up — irrationally so — in the face of setbacks. I’m not surprised there are so many successful evangelicals in baseball. You have to have that kind of religious, fact-free, irrational belief in yourself to succeed. Hopefully the A’s do psychological profiling of the players they draft, but that I think is as much a determinant of success as on-field stats. Chavez, alas, never had it and never will.

by EastBayTeam on May 20, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Never had what, exactly?

Arguably, the sort of irrational self-belief is useful, as illustrated by the section of Moneyball regarding the respective careers of Lenny Dykstra and Billy Beane. But is it necessary? Probably not. A-Rod, to pick just one example, is reportedly wracked by all sorts of insecurities, yet he has somehow (setting aside the steroids for now) done okay for himself.

More to the point, if he never had “it,” how did he succeed prior to the spate of injuries? And in what respect has Chavy’s attitude been horrible? Because he’s tended to be (or at least has seemed to be) more candid about the state of the team than most other players? Maybe baseball players are a simpler, more gullible lot, but I wouldn’t have a whole lot of confidence in a “leader” who didn’t seem to have a grasp on exactly what and who he had to work with.

by Ray of Lite on May 20, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So much talent wasted

IMO Chavez has immense talent and abilities. He was able to ride these through to the majors. But when he finally experienced adversity, he crumbled mentally. As for A-Rod, I think his performance in the post-season speaks to my point. And his reliance on steroids also tells you something about his mental state, which you confirm here. As for the “candid” stuff, I don’t want a player talking “candidly” about how bad he is, how bad the team is, how weak the team’s chances seem to be, etc etc. That’s a bad attitude, even if it may be a “realistic” one. Baseball doesn’t thrive on realism, it thrives on passion and excitement. You can’t succeed if you don’t set big goals for yourself. And Chavez’s goals became minimal and pathetic. Doesn’t it say something that the only thing he did well at (defense) was the one thing that nobody expected much from him? Or that the nature of defense requires less thinking and more reacting and muscle memory? There was a profile of Chavez back in 2000 I think in one of those East Bay weeklies or monthlies. I’ll see if I can dig it up, but it was downright alarming to read when it came to his mental state.

by EastBayTeam on May 20, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to have that kind of religious, fact-free, irrational belief in yourself to succeed.

No, you have to have that kind of religious, fact-free, irrational belief in yourself in order to persist. Once you persist, you may or may not succeed, depending on several other factors, including talent and luck.

The result is that most of the great successes you see have that quality, so you assume causation, but in fact many great failures have that quality as well.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on May 20, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Necessary but not sufficient

You obviously need talent and luck (especially the luck not to get injured). But if you think too much, it will be hard to live up to your potential in a game like baseball. Better to be stupid and relentless. For counter-examples, see Crosby and Chavez, two guys who have been utterly defeated by the game.

by EastBayTeam on May 20, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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