Fan dies after A's beat Angels
Here is the link to the story---
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/fan-dies-after-fight-at-angels-game-.html
Hope it works for everyone, I am mainly pointing this out so that everyone who reads this remembers this is just a game. I love this game to death but we all need to make sure that we do not let a little good natured trash talking to opposing fans cross the line. Its ridiculous to think that this guy went to a baseball game tonight and ended up losing his life. This is supposed to be entertainment, this is supposed to be fun, this is not supposed to be life changing or life altering and especially not life ending. If this death was somehow related to the game I am writing this as a reminder for everybody just keep the games in perspective and enjoy the games, we as fans can't let this kind of stuff happen, EVER.
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I don't mean this as any sort of debate or anything
And I have no idea what this fight is about, but this shit needs to stop. 3 of the last 5 times I’ve been at Angels stadium, i’ve genuinely been terrified. I can’t bring women to games with me anymore, because they’ve seriously been scared for themselves. It’s ridiculous. This rivalry has gone too far. It’s unfortunate to me that it goes beyond the game. I live in Orange, literally a 10 minute walk from the stadium, and there are places that I CANNOT wear A’s gear. I hope this was not initiated by the rivalry, and this goes both ways. This is turning into Yankees-Red Sox, Dodgers-Giants….
My thoughts go out to the family, regardless of which team he was a fan of…
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I honestly think it's an LA thing lately
And it’s not just baseball. Try going to an LA Galaxy MLS game wearing San Jose Earthquakes gear. Try going to a Lakers game wearing Warriors or Kings gear…
And you know
People from Southern California say the same thing about them wearing their gear over here….
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by walk off bunt on Apr 9, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This is getting ridiculous
This fight took place after Tuesday night’s game. I live down here in Southern California and from what I’ve heard on the local news the perps were wearing Slegna gear. The victim might have been a Slegna fan as well, but I’m not 100% positive. Still, no one deserves that fate. Going to the ballpark is supposed to be an escape from reality and not some place you should fear for your life.
I’ve only been to a handful of Dodger games b/c a friend had free tickets, but every time I went there seemed to be a fist fight somewhere in the bleachers. Someone told me security has done a better job at Dodger Stadium at controlling confrontations, but I can’t say for sure since I have not attended a game there in several years; mostly because the majority of fans there look like gang-bangers and I fear getting shot in the parking lot. Even some Dodgers fans I know feel the same way. Plus they intentionally spill beer on you or throw items at you if you wear another team’s jersey regardless if they’re the Dodgers’ opponent that night.
Dodger Stadium is a great ballpark to watch a baseball game, but there are a lot of fans that can ruin the experience. If this is bad I can’t imagine what it is like at Fenway Park.
I've been to Fenway
with my A’s jersey, centerfield bleachers. I was expecting getting doused with beer or maybe some taunts directed at me, but nothing of the sort. They don’t really care about the A’s as long as you don’t taunt them after an A’s win.
youre lucky dude,
2/6 of my visits to Fenway while wearing Green ’n Gold have resulted in serious altercations- one resulting in ballpark security escorting fans out of the stadium, and one resulting in criminal charges against sox fans.
is it a coincidence that those 2/6 times I was in the cheap seats, and the other 4 I was in company box seats, where people seem to be much more civilized? who knows. moral of the story: I wouldnt exactly call Boston fans saints.
Save Rajai Davis
Maybe it helps
that I’m dutch and people rather not beat up tourists. I also made sure I wasn’t pissing off people unnecessarily by cheering loudly even though I had a good reason. (A’s won)
by R14 on Apr 9, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I expected the worst upon my Fenway debut last year...
but was surprised not to get it. This, too, was last year’s Friday night, Duchscherer-Wakefield, 12-inning battle that my friends and I snuck some booze into, so it was hardly a casual Sunday at the park.
However, I was shocked not to get much – if any – grief at all, not even at Game On pre-game, anywhere in the park or at the Bleacher Bar into the late hours of the post-game. The only saving grace I had was that my seats were about 20 rows up, directly behind the plate rather than in the cheap seats, but even when I was out & about in and around the park, I didn’t think it was bad at all.
I already have my seats for the Wednesday of the first July trip to Fenway. Anyone else plan on going to most of the games here? Come July, we should get an AN-Beantown gathering before/after the games. Hell, if any A’s fans in this overrated town want to get together and throw a few back watching Athletics baseball anytime this year, this guy is more than interested.
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by RyanFromBonas on Apr 9, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah my Fenway experiences haven't been bad either
I’ve gotten a few heckles and such but that I expect wearing an A’s jersey. But it’s never been more than that. Oddly enough though the most abusive heckling I’ve ever received at Fenway wasn’t from a sox fan, rather it was from a Mets fan visiting the stadium that day… so go figure.
fenway bleachers
I sat in the outfield bleachers for an A’s-Red Sox game a few years ago and didn’t have any problems.
Two factors that probably smoothed things over:
1. I was with my girlfriend, who is a Red Sox fan
2. Macha decided to bring in Yabu in the bottom of the twelfth, with runners on base. So by the time that was over, the Sox fans were in a celebratory mood.
(if memory serves, Yabu hit either Manny or Ortiz with a pitch when the bases were loaded)
I went to that game!
I flew to Boston just to see the A’s loose twice.
It was my first A’s game actually. The game was postponed an hour because of the weather. Yabu hit Manny, it was a big anticlimax.
It was pretty difficult trying to explain to the customs guy that I was visiting Boston for the weekend to see the A’s play and then go back to the Netherlands on Monday. For some reason they’re very suspicious when you visit the US for a short period.
I also live in Boston
and I’ve been to Fenway at least 25 times over the past 10 years, every time in full A’s regalia. The only time I ever came close to winding up in an altercation was after a game we were at for my bachelor party, we were very drunk, and I can say without a doubt that it was equally if not more our fault for laughing (rather vehemently, too) at a drunk fan who was trying to start an “A’s Suck” cheer as the crowd meandered down Brookline Ave after a game that the A’s won. Other times, the worst that has happened to me was a couple of fans tossing peanuts at the back of my head in the bleachers, but honestly, I never fear for my well being there, and for the most part I’m treated well.
that said
I’ll agree – bleacher fans in Boston hardly qualify as saints…but neither do Bleacher fans in Oakland ;)
agreed.
I think most places you go, if not every place you go, you will find a handful of bad apples. One can only hope that their rottenness does not include violence.
Save Rajai Davis
agreed again
i live near boston, too, and I find that red sox fans are completely OK when I wear my A’s stuff. Now, if we were beating them, it might be different.
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Apr 9, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I think Saint is a bleacher fan.
:)
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The only people that Ive ever had issues with in Oakland bleachers...
were visiting Red Sox fans. They don’t call them Massholes for nothing. Bleacher seating is my preferred place to watch games because for the vast majority of the times I sit there I meet new and fun people to watch a game with.
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by designatedforassignment on Apr 9, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
Has anyone determined that this was a fight between an A’s fan and and Angels’ fan? I’ve been looking and haven’t found yet where this was a “turf” battle. All the comments seem to infer that, though.
Cross posted at New A's Ballpark Blog
I have to comment about the man that died at the Angels game last night. I was at an A’s/Angels game in Anaheim last year and I saw the worst fight I have ever seen at a baseball game. This was entirely due to the lack of security that the Angels have at their stadium. Most all the ushers are retirement age and couldn’t do a darn thing. Security was nowhere in sight. The fight (between one A’s fan and several Angels fans) lasted several MINUTES. I actually jumped in to break up the fight because I was seriously scared for this guys life. Security never showed up and the guys who were beating on the A’s fan just walked away.
The Angels work real hard to promote a family atmosphere at their park, but you have to have adequate security. I would like to think that the fight I witnessed was an isolated incident, but after reading the article about the fight last night, it sounds like a carbon copy; a fight lasting long enough for others to join in the melee.
I’ve seen plenty of fights at the Coliseum, but security seems to respond very fast. I’m sorry to rant about this, but that fight I saw was really quite brutal and it obviously still bothers me.
One more point of clarification
This happened, according to the news story, after the opening day game won by the Angels, not the A’s. Again, the posts seem to indicate that there may taunting may have played a part in causing the incident. If that is the case, I haven’t yet read it.
Pardon the grammar
Should read, “the posts seem to indicate that taunting may have played a part in causing the incident.”
What do you recommend?
I’m taking my 2 year old son the Angel Stadium in the fall for a couple of games. Should I make sure we don’t wear any Green & Gold? Would hope nobody would harass or bother a Father & Son going to a game but then again….
I would not wear my colors down there
At the least you are going to get jeered and sworn at, in my experience
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by OptimistPrime on Apr 9, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Angel Stadium
My son and I went to two games in ‘07. We had first row seats just past 1st base. We both wore A’s shirts. We had nothing but a good time, from parking to seat and back. I am always wary of that, but the experience was fun. Now, we were in the “good” seats, your fan experience will vary depending on where you sit (sad but true.) Since it’s a fun out of town game, spend the money and get good seats. My one comment of the policies of Angel Stadium is that the usher DO NOT prevent seat hopping in later innings as we get here in Oakland and almost militant in SF. Many Angel fans in the better seats split in the 7th and slowly down come the folks who have been whooping it up. The volume gets louder, you hear more yelling at players, a bottle was thrown at Mike Piazza. It doesn’t bother me, but I think like a parent at these times, even now with my son being 16 I still look at things two ways; the situation as it applies to ME and how it effects my son. And in the later innings my guard went up and some of the enjoyment was sapped by this. However nothing happened and we had fun. The A;s lost 1 and won 1.
Enjoy the game
Thx for the comments
What’s best is to look out for my little guy. guess I could wear my USA WBC hat. (Supporting Ziggy secretly) It is a shame there are those who take it further than just a game.
by HRH on Apr 9, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Wear what you want and just be respectful.
Most Angels fans are pretty nice.
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Advice that saved me an ass-whippin' -- think about it IN ADVANCE.
Last fall on the eve of the election, there had been several altercations around the state betw pro-and-con partisans of Prop 8. I had been writing a bunch of stuff on local boards about it, and took the occasion to ask any readers (both of ‘em) to ponder on what they’d do if confronted. If you commit to and rehearse a non-violent response, like any practice, you’re more likely to respond that way when the heat’s on — and your IQ automatically drops by half.
As it happened I got confronted in a mall parking lot by a Mr Clean-lookin’ guy who took exception to the propaganda on my truck. He screamed epithets at me, blocked my way, spat twice in my face, tried to trip me and cocked his fists to goad me. It was all I could do to remember that I had a digital camera in my pocket. He knocked it out of my hand, but then took-off on foot. Long story slightly longer — I got his license plate number and pressed charges. He has a preliminary hearing in May, on several counts of battery. It could’ve ended much worse — it also couldn’t have been the first time he’d done something like this, and I hope he thinks about it every day.
The point, though, is that you KNOW it’s never worth it, at least sitting here you do. The other person could be psycho, armed, a former Green beret, a postal worker (sorry) or even (gasp) a lawyer. Plan to walk away, de-escalate, make a joke not at his/her expense, tell her/him you love baseball. The awkward pronouns are because I saw a drunk young woman haul off and sucker punch a man at a game last year. Then she got hauled-off. (This year, she’d be a particular fool to miss the late innings)
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by The Dogfather on Apr 9, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Good advice.
And to add to it, in your situation it may have deflated your would be antagonist to agree with his position, whatever it was. Tell him he’s absolutely right, and that you borrowed the truck and are embarrassed to be driving it around. Point being, it’s hard to argue with someone when they agree with you. Encounters of this sort can be volatile, and they’re not worth being assaulted over or even perhaps arrested yourself. It can happen.
And on another note, since we are lawyering here, if you yourself are going to assault someone, it’s generally best if you skip the preliminaries and get down to business. But again, be prepared. It can be very discomfiting to realize to late that you brought only knuckles to a gunfight. Either way, if you choose violence, be prepared for whatever comes your way. Because it’s surely coming for you sooner or later.
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Wow...
Good post. Your planning did pay-off. I’d never be quick enough to get a pic of the license plate like that. As for safety at opposing stadiums…I think using good manners in someone else’s park is really the key. When we went to NY to watch the A’s play we were concerned about wearing our green and gold,,, but found the Yankee fans to be pretty respectful to us. They seemed to appreciate that we loved the team enough to fly across the country to see them play.
I really hate to read about crap like this. I get passionate about the A’s at games but I could never and would never imagine hurting someone because of it (not that this was necessarily a cross-team incident, but I’m just saying). I’m very sorry the guy lost his life because of stupidity. I hope people learn from this.
Not tryin' to be a jerk
and I couldn’t read the link to the story … but is anybody positive that the fight had to do with the A’s-Angels? Why are we assuming that one person was an Angels fan and the other(s) A’s fans??
There are about 100 reasons fights start at ballgames, especially when one adds alcohol. “Hey, stop lookin’ at my girlfriend,” “Quit pushin’”, etc. etc. I just think it’s a little presumptious to assume it was automatically an A’s fan fighting an Angels fan.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Thanks ... it really doesn't matter much in the end
It’s still a tragedy … but most of the posts above made it sound as if the fight was because two people were cheering for two different teams. Just thought that was waaaaaayyyy presumptious.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
YA
when I first posted this I kinda presumed it had to be that and then when I noticed it didnt say it was A’s/Angels argument or make a reference to anything like that I decided to temper my words to just make a blanket statement that we all need to do a better job of watching out for people around us and not allowing people to lose their lives at a baseball game…Call Security do something if you see something escalating

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