Unfortunately, Crosby really is that bad . . .
by BlueMoon on Apr 15, 2009 7:21 AM PDT
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I've been reading post after post on this blog about what a poor baseball player Bobby Crosby is. I kind of thought that 38 doubles last year and his Rookie Of The Year season showed he must have some use to the A's. I was wrong.
I doesn't matter how many hours he spent working out with McGwire and Holliday in the off-season -- the dude still stands 4 feet from the plate and can't handle outside pitches for some reason.
As far as contributing as a utilityman he's worse with a glove than a bat. It's too bad because he seems like a good guy. He even stopped warming up before a game last year to sign autographs for my daughter and her girlfriend -- then again, maybe that was because they are super attractive 19-year-old females?
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Did you uhh... just call your daughter super attractive?
"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."
by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 15, 2009 7:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that Joe Simpson was an A's fan
welcome Joe!
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by Masaryk on Apr 15, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol at least i'm not the only one who thought that was weird
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Apr 15, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can also say
that Brad Pitt is an attractive man. It doesn’t make me gay. It’s strictly an observation. Any opinion on Crosby’s talents or mindset?
by BlueMoon on Apr 15, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see no hope for him. The only reason he's still there is that there's no one in the minors any better.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Pennington/Petit could put up similar offesnive stats to Bobby?
If the answer is yes, then it’s probably time to eat the money and let Bobby go. Especially with Nomar/Chavez as fragile as ever. “Bobby Crosby” and “starting thirdbaseman” should probably never be in the same sentence.
by Darryl P on Apr 15, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The projection systems on the three:
CHONE:
Crosby — .239/.303/.357 = .660 OPS
Pennington — .233/.326/.308 = .634 OPS
Petit — .243/.294/.331 = .625 OPS
ZiPS:
Crosby — .234/.296/.344 = .640 OPS
Pennington — .227/.309/.293 = .602 OPS
Petit — .260/.305/.336 = .641 OPS
PECOTA:
Crosby — .240/.304/.357 = .661 OPS
Pennington — .218/.306/.304 = .610 OPS
Petit — .229/.276/.314 = .580 OPS
They think Crosby is a better hitter than Petit and Pennington, so it makes sense to keep trying him till it’s clear he can’t make the adjustments to 2B and 3B. I’d give it till Memorial Day.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, those are some ugly projections.
Thanks Waddell. I guess Crosby stays.
by Darryl P on Apr 15, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still hoping for Cardenas by the end of the year.
Orlando’s durable enough that a backup SS isn’t that important….and Petit is OK in an emergency.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're correct that saying Brad Pitt is an attractive man doesn't make you gay
It does, however, make you blind.
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by Nico on Apr 15, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, I'm over here.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 15, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensively speaking
The guy can only play 1 position. He is a terrible at 3b. A player who doesn’t want a ball hit at him shows no confidence.
by Arcman on Apr 15, 2009 8:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems really strange that a guy would be able to play short but be so bad at third.
Granted third had a lot to do with reflexes, but still, it just doesn’t make much sense.
by Darryl P on Apr 15, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's really only played SS in his ENTIRE career
And he’s just been working on 3rd and 2nd this spring and has gotten very little game action. Don’t crucify the guy for sucking at defense, he just started. As for his bat… yeah, he’s about as stubborn as they come. Six inches closer to the plate man, and lay off the low and outside slider.
by NateHST on Apr 15, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a real good guy. I have been pulling for him for years.
Agree with both your statements about his defense and his bat 100%.
by easyraider on Apr 15, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point.
Unfortunately with Nomar/chavez ailing, the team doesn’t have the luxury of letting Crosby learn third (or second for that matter). Since he isn’t going to give you much with the bat it might make sense to bring somebody up who is already a competent defender at those two positions.
by Darryl P on Apr 15, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not his defense
Its his attitude that bothers me. I don’t expect much from his bat but I do expect him to play with a positive attitude. When you say to the media I don’t want to do this it gives everyone a negative feeling. Nomar plays out of position and is a team player. Crosby needs to suck his pride and tell the A’s can I go to AAA and learn a new position. Instead all we hear is release me. Sorry but there are no open SS jobs in the major so do what you need to do to stay in the majors.
by Arcman on Apr 15, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than the one request for release I've heard nothing bad about his attitude
What have you heard?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's what is implied
The only reason Bobby is on the MLB roster is because he’s hand-cuffed himself to it. As a five year player he has the right to refuse an assignment to Sacto in order become a free agent and find a starting gig elsewhere making the mlb minimum (while A’s still pay the remainder of his salary).
If he gave 2 shits about this team he would waive that right, head down to Sacto for a month, and work at 3rd and 2nd every day in order to become a real utility player without making the major league squad pay for his learning mistakes. But he’s undoubtedly let Beane know, through his agent, that this isn’t an option. And so he continues to suck for the A’s in a bizarre game of chicken.
Just release him already- I’m tired of watching this play out.
by Tim J on Apr 15, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they will release him when they have a better option
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell do you want him to do?
Say, “Yeah I love being a backup it’s what I always dreamed about”? If he does that then people will get on him for striving for mediocrity. Honestly, I don’t think he’s a good player or that he’ll ever reach half his potential. But there’s really nothing he can do to win with the fans in Oakland.
by NateHST on Apr 15, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love it if he strove for mediocrity
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd certainly love it if he could achieve mediocrity
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by Nico on Apr 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he could hit
at least he’d bring some value to being in the line-up. I’d love to see him move up to the plate like a man and take his swings — don’t want to see him swinging from the on-deck circle any more.
by BlueMoon on Apr 15, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But he's not gonna do that.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we may see Hannahan quickly
If Chavy and Nomar can’t go— they better DL one of them. Hannhan was rated like the 3rd or 4th best defensive 3bman last year— and how much worse than BC can he be at the plate? Or at 2B? I think Crosby’s days are numebred.
by jasonthea on Apr 15, 2009 8:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Hannahan is that he can't play SS, but Orlando is an iron man so it might not matter
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rather have Pennington
he can play all 3 IF positions well, and hit just as well (read: bad) as the Hannahan and Crosby.
I like Golf, but I'm not very good at it. For example, I have never gotten a Hole in One. But I did hit a guy, and that was way more satisfying. You're supposed to yell "FORE!", but I was too busy mumbling "There ain't no way that's gunna hit him." Whats Par for Hitting a Guy? One. If you Hit a Guy in Two, you're an Asshole. - Mitch Hedberg.
by Zonis on Apr 15, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see Pennington as an even worse hitter than Hannahan or Crosby and I'm not sold he can really
play defense well anywhere. All the choices are bad…no really bad. The fact that Crosby might be the best option is the real indictment.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The title of this post should be "Unfortunately, Crosby really that bad...and he's our best option!"
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, the problem....
….is that carrying 12 pitchers means that outside the backup catcher and whoever isn’t playing from the RF/DH/1B/3B situation, the A’s only have room for 1 backup OF and 1 backup INF. Just drop a pitcher and bring up both Hannahan and Petit/Pennington.
by rageon on Apr 15, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering whether Orlando's durable enough so that Hannahan can be the backup SS
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by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's durable enough that Nomar/Hannahan can be emergency backups
until a roster move can be made.
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by Nico on Apr 15, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a few innings he could
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Apr 15, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which translates roughly into rock and roll and entertainment terms as
No, never, no way, no how.
You’re right that he could play there if there’s something funky with a late inning pinch hit / run situation or an injury where it’s too late to call someone up for the day.
He ain’t no shortstop no more. IMO he was never that good of a defensive shortstop even in his prime. I watched him a lot here in Boston. His only real strength was his range; his glove and arm were never really high caliber for a MLB SS.
And he no longer has the range.
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Apr 16, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did last year for a couple of games FWIW
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by designatedforassignment on Apr 15, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Third he should figure out
But I really see no reason why he should EVER play second base. I know it’s unconventional to move your starting SS to a new position to accommodate a backup, but Crosby’s not much worse than O-Cab at short and I’d have to imagine, based on size and quickness, that O-Cab’s a much better second baseman than Crosby.
by swatnick on Apr 15, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera's played 33 games (27 starts) at 2B in his career (1567 games on defense).
He’s probably not comfortable there either. Of course he might be less horrible than Crosby has been.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
He may not have the experience there, but given his body type he profiles as much more of a second baseman than Crosby
by swatnick on Apr 15, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera is a two time gold glove shortstop
who is very consistent and durable at that position. He is best used by staying at shortstop.
Crosby is simply going to have to learn to play other positions adequately enough to increase his versatility.
Of course, if he was hitting this problem wouldn’t even have come up.
by OaklandSi on Apr 15, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exact dumundo
all crosby had to do was make minor adjustments – stand closer to the plate, work on pitch selectivity, tinker with his stance (which, thank god, he finally did…1-2 years too late). i mean, he was on a club with frank thomas, a HOFer who always makes adjustments. if the big hurt was willing to mess around a little, who the hell are you to be stubborn with an approach that absolutely doesn’t work? seriously, that’s all he had to do. put in the effort to make adjustments. his defense was fine. i think we’d even tolerate lower numbers (can they get lower for crosby?) if it was due to him getting used to the adjustments he was making. but he kept doing the same thing, every AB. nice guy, sure, but deserves no rope whatsoever anymore. he made his bed here.
by guy incognito on Apr 15, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think hitting mlb pitching is a little more than just making adjustments
maybe crosby just isn’t very good
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by travdog6 on Apr 15, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might be on to something there.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering whether a trade for Brandon Wood might be possible
For someone like Simmons maybe
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 9:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
don't you think it's more likely
that the Angels would trade Figgins or let him go as a free agent and get the draft picks, and then let Wood play for them?
by OaklandSi on Apr 15, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, I was hoping they were desperate for a starter. I'd take Figgins or Rodriguez for that matter if they won't
trade Wood. I’m not at all comfortable with depending on Chavez and Nomar as the 3B. They need a bridge to Cardenas.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood might play better 3b defense than Crosby, but do you think hes a longterm solution there?
Cardenas might be ready for 3b by the middle or end of next year and Wood has all sorts of bust potential. Do you really want to trade Simmons within the division for someone like that? You could probably get Friese or Craig from the Cards cheaper.
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by designatedforassignment on Apr 15, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'd take Friese if he's more available.
The Cards probably need him though. Joe Thurston can’t be their answer, can he?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Wallace
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Apr 15, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure but that's 2010, and Glaus is 2009 2H
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Marco Scutaro
when we need him!!!
"Chlorophyll?! More like bore-ophyll!"
by SoCal As Fan on Apr 15, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We decided we needed 2/5 of our AA rotation more
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by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby sucks
he proved him that himself over the past 3 years. why keep debating it?
by ArielPrieto on Apr 15, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Crosby....
An future ugly footnote in A’s lore
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by OptimistPrime on Apr 15, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think his jersey is on sale?
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Apr 15, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the poor guy be, maybe he sucks in your opinion, but all these damn posts
about it, isn’t going to change it. He is still on the team, he can’t control that. If they put him in, I feel he is trying his best, that is all HE can do.
by theblackpearl on Apr 15, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's vent with Corrs light...
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Apr 15, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coors Light...
I’m already in the process of venting!!!!!
"Where's the beef?"
by MMunoz33 on Apr 15, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
If he gave a shit about winning a title for the A’s he would take his lumps at Sacto learning to play the position where he fits on this roster- utility.
Instead he’s handcuffed himself to the roster by letting it be known that he’d rather look for a starting SS gig on another team.
Of course, that’s his right. It is also my right to fucking hate him for it and hope that we release his worthless ass post-haste.
by Tim J on Apr 15, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I hat crosby
He sucks at hitting
He sucks at fielding
His attitude sucks
His ego is huge
Whats there to like?
My favorite player is whoever is hitting behind Bobby Crosby because no matter what they always look so good.
by supermarc589 on Apr 15, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*hate
My favorite player is whoever is hitting behind Bobby Crosby because no matter what they always look so good.
by supermarc589 on Apr 15, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should he care about winning a title for the A's?
It’s a business, you’re in this for yourself – the A’s wouldn’t think twice about cutting him if they could afford to eat the $5m. He has a much better chance of showcasing himself if he’s in the majors as a utility guy (considering the fragility of our infield) than floundering in the minors learning new positions.
by OldhamA on Apr 15, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that Crosby is not the A’s starting shortstop, but rather a backup backup (if you consider Nomar the first backup), I can officially be tired of this conversation. He is a fine backup.
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Apr 15, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Really
The 5th guy in a 1B-2B-3B platoon that features Chavez, Nomar, Ellis and Giambi is anything but a “backup backup”. He’s somebody that will get significant playing time and will be counted on contribute solid D at multiple positions in order to spell the fragile regulars. Unfortunately this specific, extremely important, role is exactly the kind of thing that Crosby is incapable of doing.
by Tim J on Apr 15, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And exactly the kind of thing Scutaro would have done well at
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Crosby is a lot like me:
not much talent to speak of, but we manage to get by because of our good looks and charm.
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by kaweahkaweah on Apr 15, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree that Crosby is the best option right now; Hannahan is
Cabrera is durable enough that you don’t need a backup SS to be on the active roster – just one to be ready if he were to get hurt, as any player can.
Hannahan plays an excellent 3B, also looks totally comfortable at 2B (I saw him there in ST and he looked 10x better at 2B than Crosby did, or does, at 3B), and can play 1B. He also walks, and is a better offensive player overall than Crosby – not that he’s a good offensive player, but he IS an upgrade over Crosby.
If Cabrera gets hurt you just let Nomar or Hannahan handle SS the rest of the game and then send Hannahan down in exchange for Petit. I don’t see the downside – if you’re ready to eat the $5.5million sunk cost, which I am. Send Crosby down, let him accept or refuse the assignment, and let Hannahan backup 3B and 2B.
Crosby’s misplay of the Lowell hit that tied the game yesterday is a play Hannahan makes easily – that he either fields or at least knocks down to save the run (any true 3Bman knows that you get in front of that with a runner at second and two out) – and that well could have cost the A’s the game.
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by Nico on Apr 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess the downside is that Nomar or Hannahan at SS could lose you that game, and that Petit
would be a worse fill-in than Crosby, but your plan is a reasonable one.
I think I’d wait a couple of months to see if Crosby can gain comfort at 2B and 3B before doing this though.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should I even bother...
defending him? I want to, I really do… But I also have to admit that when he goes in at third I hide under the covers. I thought he did rather well when he was at 2nd and 1st. But 3rd is just scary. I am trying to hold on to a little faith that things will come around at 3rd. I mean, he is brand new to the position. But faith is not enough to defend him with.
As for the offensive side… well… pretty much everyone is sucking it up right now. So really, there is plenty of blame to go around from that angle. I guess what I mean is, out alternatives to Crosby are not much better offensively.
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by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Apr 15, 2009 5:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So one near no-hitter and our offense is all the sudden sucking it up?
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Apr 15, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much feast or famine so far
Not much in between.
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by Nico on Apr 15, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
last night looked like it would be a big offensive game after the first inning
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Apr 15, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really admire BCG for sticking with Bob.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Apr 15, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think calling crosby bad is that fair
He is not the MVP candidate that gammons thought in 05 (?). Are we going to call every journeyplayer bad? He looked like a star in minors and for a few months his rookie year. He is not a star. its too bad he has a terrible contract, but that is not his fault. It seems to me the guy whose fault the contract is figured out that it was a mistake and covered for it this winter.
I know I make fun of him here in comments, but a complete post with scores of comments isn’t helpful or illuminating.
by Future Ed on Apr 15, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the only thing that really stuck with me reading that was
“super attractive 19-year-old females”
Happiness is only real when shared
by manny59 on Apr 16, 2009 2:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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