Open Thread: Game 12 - A's vs. Angels
We told you all not to hold your breath for Eric Chavez's eagerly awaited return to 3rd base that was always tentatively scheduled for today...The Chronicle's Susan Slusser reports that Chavez will in fact NOT appear at 3rd today and will instead rest at least a few more days after "tweaking" something in his surgically repaired shoulder while batting yesterday. When the words "tweak" and "Chavez" appear in the same sentence, it's usually never a good thing, and while he's "felt great" all along this spring, this (along with Duke's lingering health issues) are frustrating bullet points to say the least, coming as they are as the team looks to field a competitive team for the coming season.
There is at least an entertaining by-product of Chavez's latest postponement and that is that new super-utility man Bobby Crosby will make his debut at 3rd in Chavvy's stead this afternoon. There is plenty of (mostly empty) speculation that Crosby could be moved to the Yankees if he looks capable at 3rd as part of a band-aid solution to the "A-Rod Out 9 weeks" problem. But with the brittle nature of the A's infield, I would just like to see Crosby stay on the team and be able to fill in where needed...which will still likely allow him plenty of playing time over the course of the year.
While the Angels are dealing with their own health woes (mainly, to the recently-extended A's Assassin Ervin Santana) they are still probably in a better position at this point due to the relative stability in their starting rotation. Today, the Halos bring one of the pillars of that stability in the form of Joe Saunders, who, while getting lucky in the BABIP department last season en-route to an All Star appearance, is still a solid pitcher in his own right. He'll be facing fellow southpaw and darling of the A's media establishment Dallas Braden.
Michael Ynoa arrived in Phoenix today, threw about 25 fastballs and changeups for some media onlookers and conducted an interview in English afterwards. Ohhhh, and the first cuts have been made to the A's roster: Jeff Gray was reassigned to Triple-A Sacramento, while Brett Hunter, Jared Lansford, Arnold Leon, Tyson Ross, Josh Donaldson, Tagg Bozied, Adrian Cardenas, Chris Carter, Yung-Chi Chen and Jemile Weeks were reassigned to minor-league camp. No real surprises there.
A's
Davis - CF
Cunningham - LF
Ellis - DH
Giambi - 1B
Powell - C
Crosby - 3B
Carson - RF
Petit - SS
Wimberly - 2B
Angels
Figgins - DH
Aybar - SS
Mathis - C
Morales - 1B
Quinlan - LF
Wood - 3B
Rodriguez - 2B
Evans - RF
Pettit - CF
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You know, this isn't even just "unlucky" anymore.
The injuries are pretty damn ridiculous at this point. I love… love to watch Chavez play, but come on already.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Soul-crushing is unbelievably accurate.
I broke my keyboard tray at work I was so mad.
Who was this sultan of sock, this hero of hosiery, this stalwart of shinwear? Ah, Wimberly — Corey Wimberly. -Uni Watch
Mostly empty speculation
Too bad. I think Crosby is one of the few A’s that we’d actually enjoy seeing in a Yankees uniform. I know I would. I think Bobby would like it, too. It’s a win-win.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers."
Nope. You do realize that as soon as Crosby is dealt, he is going to magically turn into the .875 OPS guy he was for like 6 weeks in 2005?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Gameday link?
I can never find it on the MLB website. I depend on AN
Bob Geren and Ken Macha both enjoy jai lai.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_03_09_anamlb_oakmlb_1
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Is there an old version of gameday still?
This newfangled 3D flash one sucks.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Here's the "live box score" link...
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2009_03_09_anamlb_oakmlb_1
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
Petit made a superb play to save a run!
Petit at SS. Pettit in CF. Couldn’t Pettitte be on the mound? Mon petit désir.
Davis Picked Off?
Bah!
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Seems like Braden is at least attacking the hitters fairly effectively.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
No scoring...Braden just walked a guy.
Man on 1st, two outs for Dallas.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
Braden's Pick-off Move is so good...
it even fools Giambi.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
sent my e-mails in
What is the status of Justin Duchscherer’s and Ervin Santana’s (of the Angles) Elbows?
-Shane, Chicago
Rajai Davis and Chris Denorfia are the main competition for the 5th Outfielder Spot. If Travis Buck makes the team as the starting Right Fielder, with Jack Cust as the DH, I think Chris Denorfia should make the team over Davis. Denorfia can play Centerfield, as Rajai can, but he is a better hitter and can put up a better platoon split against Left Handed Pitching. If Cust is DHing, the A’s won’t need a late inning defensive replacement or pinch runner as much as they need a Pinch Hitter.
My Bench:
C Landon Powell
CI Nomar Garciaparra
MI Bobby Crosby (or if traded, Cliff Pennington)
CF Chris Denorfia
Shane, DePaul Chicago
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Just working on that one myself
I’m torn between Rajai and Wimberly if we still have Crosby. If Crosby leaves I’d go with Nomar, Bowen, Rajai, Wimberly.
Wimberly is not on the 40 man roster
and Denorfia and Rajai are out of options
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I chose Davis
along with Crosby (Pennington if he’s traded, then Wimberly when he’s ready) and Nomar.
And also Bowen, but it’s his job to lose to a healthy Powell or Gallaraga when ready.
the a's front office is not smoking whatever you are
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
1-0 Angels on Ground Rule Double
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he could always master the piano
But would probably “tweak” his fingers
2-1 A's!
Yay for Crappy Defense!
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They're talking about Ynoa's bullpen session
-Very smooth, easy delivery.
-Very tall.
-Athletic (not lanky, not all legs).
-As advertised.
This is exactly the description I would give
If I had seen him pitch and not known a thing about baseball
Bob Geren and Ken Macha both enjoy jai lai.
by CarGon's Jock on Mar 9, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
hes probably 5 years older than reported though
The Not-So-Casual Fan
So now he's a 21 year old prospect who is 6'7 and throws 95
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Slusser is on with Buan talking about Ynoa.
Also, the kid insisted on conducting the post-throwing session interview in English. That’s pretty ballsy for a person in his first time in this country.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
Wimberly is playing a lot of 2B for us
Using MLE I translated his pretty good .370 OBP AA stats:
2008 TUL Tex 24 Col AA 2b-ss 108 388 65 113 17 2 0 26 59 16 41 45 9 1 9 2 2 .291 .370 .345 715
Wimberly’s cube
translates to these ugly Oakland stats: .218 .280 .255…but 46 SB in 403 ABs. A backup doesn’t need to be a complete player, but those are bad stats. But a defensive middle IF with Rajai Davis speed could be acceptable…if we trade Crosby…and Nomar only has to cover 2B or 3B, and not both, for Ellis or Chavez.
2 PRs for Cust and Giambi
…so I could see late inning situations where it would help to have two pinch runners like Davis and Wimberly for both Cust and Giambi. Of course, Cust and Giambi probably only get on in the late innings (last AB) about 14% of the time. So having 2 PRs probably isn’t that important if you’re giving up too much offense and/or defense.
by BillyWannabeane on Mar 9, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
UH -Oh
what did she just say about Chavy and Ellis…and it might be a good thing having Crosby around…
"And sometimes, when it seems like all hope is gone, Life tosses you a special gift of a baseball game" . 7/10/08 BaseBallGirl headline
Discouraging, though
Cute dog pix!
"And sometimes, when it seems like all hope is gone, Life tosses you a special gift of a baseball game" . 7/10/08 BaseBallGirl headline
Ynoa thinks he will be in the Majors in 2 years
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He's what, 16/17?
He really will have to be as good as advertised and get lucky with injuries for that to happen.
copycat :P
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Bobby Crosby, he's the 2009 version of Scott Brosius!
Brosius ‘97 numbers with the A’s .203 .259 .317 remind me of Crosby …they were followed by .300 .371 .472 numbers with the Yanks.
I swear I get an e-mail or two read every show
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My email:
Robert, Isn’t Bobby Crosby demanding to be a starter kind of like you demanding to be the lead play-by-play voice of the A’s? Love, HigherPie
def will be read
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Once I sent in an e-mail
asking where Ellis was now.
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Ouch!
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
(I didn't actually send that email)
I have a heart. I would never even joke that Buan sucks as much as Crosby. Except in game threads.
Wow, A's catchers have thrown out a runner two days in a row
I guess Kurt’s yesterday was a pickoff though
Buan did say that Billy Owens will be on, right?
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Jerome Williams
Williams pitched well for Giants, got out of shape, was sent to Cubs, now he’s back in shape and is looking better.
The Jerome Williams comment was by A's personnel guy, Billy Owens
by BillyWannabeane on Mar 9, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd listen to him if not for the fact
that he destroyed the Warriors when they traded Mitch Richmond for him.
e-mail sent
For Billy Owens – Non-Ynoa International Players and ’08 Shortstops
We’ve all heard about Ynoa, but can you give us some information on some of the other A’s International Signings and where they will be playing this year, such as Robin Rosario and Alex Arnold Leon.
Where will the A’s 2008 Shortstop Draftees, Jason Christian, Dusty Coleman and Nino Leyja, play for 2009?
-Shane, Chicago
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hahaha thats true
after like 4 years, he finally learned how to turn the sound off.
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Stump him good with the following question...
Ask what he knows about the international free agent catcher the A’s signed out of Australia, you know, the 18 year old catcher, BOX.
Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN
crosby makes a play at 3b!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
I guess I should be less confrontational
“A poorly thrown ball by the Angels pitcher accidentally hits Ellis.”
Ahahaha. Where is this from?
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 9, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
why would you laugh at that image if you don't know where it's from?
the humor is entirely due to the context…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
lol
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
The facial expression was amusing to me.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 9, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And I haven’t watched Groundhog Day in a while, so I don’t really remember the whole movie.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm getting
Gameday is currently unavailable for this game
Anyone else?
Who was this sultan of sock, this hero of hosiery, this stalwart of shinwear? Ah, Wimberly — Corey Wimberly. -Uni Watch
My gameday mini is cute!
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
Well that's not helpful to me ;)
Who was this sultan of sock, this hero of hosiery, this stalwart of shinwear? Ah, Wimberly — Corey Wimberly. -Uni Watch
Haha...I was just sayin'
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
Mine is too! My gameday is awesome!
I’m just sitting here looking at it. And it’s updating.
Actually I have gameday AND gameday mini up. Just for fun. Because they both work.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I didn't like him much anyway.
Who was this sultan of sock, this hero of hosiery, this stalwart of shinwear? Ah, Wimberly — Corey Wimberly. -Uni Watch
Billy O says someone offered $1,000,000 more to Ynoa than we did.
Anyone know which team that was? And why didn’t Ynoa take it?
Texas did
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Texas fans talked a lot about it at the time
though if I remember correctly, it was kind of accepted on face that if you are a young pitching prospect being offered oodles of money, and your choice was between Texas and Oakland, you’d choose Oakland.
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Pretty sure it was Texas or Cincinnati.
Pretty sure he took less from the A’s because the track record of the A’s developing pitchers is a lot better than either of those two AND the fact that those two teams play in absolute launching pads might have been a factor too…
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
lucky he didn't chat with the medical staff...
what have i got myself into this time... http://damiansthirtyyearchallenge.blogspot.com/
by alea iacta est on Mar 9, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Also it was supposedly after
he verbally told the A’s he was signing with them. That Texas made the offer.
Not like that mattered much when he back out of the deal he had with the Yankees. But they used the having a deal with the A’s and how the past history the A’s have with young pitchers has reason he came here.
seems my e-mail got a lot of information out of Billy O
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So awesome!
Wimberly on pre-game show tomorrow talking about the sox!
If ever a game should have been called on account of wind, that one was it. Good thing Jerry Blevins didn't have to pitch; he's tall, skinny and still a little weak from the clubhouse bug he caught, and I could practically see one of the 40-mph gusts...sweeping him off the bump and pinning him to the left-field fence. --Mychael Urban
We're so funny!
Yay! Wimberley’s socks on the pre-game show! Haha!
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
Tomarrow at 12:45! Find out why he will wearing the stirups!
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I'm interested in tuning in tomorrow to hear why Wimberly wears the stirrups.
I was just in Phoenix and saw Corey and he looks plain AWESOME…
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
Pictures, please!
If ever a game should have been called on account of wind, that one was it. Good thing Jerry Blevins didn't have to pitch; he's tall, skinny and still a little weak from the clubhouse bug he caught, and I could practically see one of the 40-mph gusts...sweeping him off the bump and pinning him to the left-field fence. --Mychael Urban
copeland
i would have preferred a HR from someone who is going to still be with the organization a month from now.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
You could say that about anybody
. . . who has been with the A’s the past 3 years!
by MobiusKlein on Mar 9, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
NO WAY! NOT SWISH... um...
NO WAY WILL HAREN GET TRA…. um..
I got nothin.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I think there's a decent chance we'll be able to keep him around due to the Giants just forgetting about him
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
how would that work?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Baseball.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
I don't know, my Gameday's not working.
Who was this sultan of sock, this hero of hosiery, this stalwart of shinwear? Ah, Wimberly — Corey Wimberly. -Uni Watch
is it cute, at least?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Mine either. You jinxed me.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
sweet, sweet karma.
Who was this sultan of sock, this hero of hosiery, this stalwart of shinwear? Ah, Wimberly — Corey Wimberly. -Uni Watch
It's a bitch.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Mine is SO awesome!
GameDay Mini is precious.
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
Shut up already ;)
Who was this sultan of sock, this hero of hosiery, this stalwart of shinwear? Ah, Wimberly — Corey Wimberly. -Uni Watch
SILLY I tell you.
Oh wait I’m not going.
Harumph.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
You are going to miss some gymnastics.
If ever a game should have been called on account of wind, that one was it. Good thing Jerry Blevins didn't have to pitch; he's tall, skinny and still a little weak from the clubhouse bug he caught, and I could practically see one of the 40-mph gusts...sweeping him off the bump and pinning him to the left-field fence. --Mychael Urban
I hate you right now.
Webcam plz kthx.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Sorry.
There might be some stills. If you are lucky. And nice.
If ever a game should have been called on account of wind, that one was it. Good thing Jerry Blevins didn't have to pitch; he's tall, skinny and still a little weak from the clubhouse bug he caught, and I could practically see one of the 40-mph gusts...sweeping him off the bump and pinning him to the left-field fence. --Mychael Urban
I'm always nice.
Don’t you get started.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Let's put it this way.
My last fond memory was of you kissing a dolphin. :-)
If ever a game should have been called on account of wind, that one was it. Good thing Jerry Blevins didn't have to pitch; he's tall, skinny and still a little weak from the clubhouse bug he caught, and I could practically see one of the 40-mph gusts...sweeping him off the bump and pinning him to the left-field fence. --Mychael Urban
I've never done such a thing.
Though, I’ve been kissed by one.
A seal, too.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Which was better?
If ever a game should have been called on account of wind, that one was it. Good thing Jerry Blevins didn't have to pitch; he's tall, skinny and still a little weak from the clubhouse bug he caught, and I could practically see one of the 40-mph gusts...sweeping him off the bump and pinning him to the left-field fence. --Mychael Urban
I don't kiss and tell.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
can he sit on a bench for 155 games?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
so, starting 3b for the yankees?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Robert, Can you please ask Billy O not to talk over you when you’re trying to describe live game action? Love, HigherPie
wont understand Buan's call anyways
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no
gameday and AN comments explain what’s happening in the game, i’d rather hear owens accurately describe our prospects than buan inaccurately describe the game action.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Ynoa (Just Released Video)
http://baybridgebaseball.com/2009/03/the-ynoa-video/
I guess he’s in Arizona today… Kid looks pretty big for a 17-Year Old.
Anybody heard anything about Henry Rodriguez this spring?
Has he just completely fallen off the map?
recovering from hernia surgery
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Jason Giambi was the product of...
a cold winter night spent by John and Jeanne in West Covina.
by BillyWannabeane on Mar 9, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Is West Covina cold in April?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers."
cunningham woooo!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
PLAYOFFS
oh wait. i’ve been sitting down for too long today
what have i got myself into this time... http://damiansthirtyyearchallenge.blogspot.com/
by alea iacta est on Mar 9, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions
That’s wicked bright.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 9, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that's fun.
Who was this sultan of sock, this hero of hosiery, this stalwart of shinwear? Ah, Wimberly — Corey Wimberly. -Uni Watch
how is denorfia doing so far?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Joe Sauders had a little soreness in his arm a few weeks ago
Buan conjectured that the soreness may be back based on Saunders performance.
Saunders performance wasn't that bad
Saunders 3.0 4 2 1 1 0 0 … Braden did pitch better: Braden 3.0 2 1 1 1 3 0
…but both teams started 2-3 regulars (Figgins, Morales, Aybar, Ellis, Giambi)…so not a real test.
by BillyWannabeane on Mar 9, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
This moves the A's firmly into...
…last place(?!?) in the AL West. WTF. Is everybody in the West bringing their A game this Spring?
Team….. W L PCT GB
Angels 9-2 .818 –
Marinrs 6-2 .750 1.5
Rangrs 7-4 .636 2.0
Oakland 7-5 .583 2.5
question
has o-cab played yet? sorry for the question, but i have been to busy to actually fallow spring training
also do people like the o-cab and nomar signing? i think they were solid moves and should give the a’s the talent to make a run at the a.l west.
don't understand
I found it shocking that Jeff Gray was sent down with a 1.93 era and yet others are still up there with era’s in the double digits…Wurtz is sitting somewhere around 14…are you serious? From what I hear, they called him up in September and then wanted him to change his pitching mechanics after 2 weeks….He obviously showed the improvement and was almost lights out in the AFL…how just don’t see how you justify sending him down and keeping Wurtz around…this organization is a joke!

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