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Don't Give In - First Cahill, Now Eveland, Learn The Hard Way

Final Score: Brewers 4, A's 2

The A's 4-2 loss to the Brewers today, and Eveland's less than stellar line (7IP, 4 ER), came down to one pitch. With the game tied 1-1 in the 3rd Eveland, who had been in trouble throughout, and was in trouble again, all because he wasn't throwing enough strikes, gave in to J.J. Hardy and watched Hardy launch a 3-run HR. In the dugout Trevor Cahill, who had watched Scott Hairston's 3-run HR turn a wobbly outing into a bad one last night, could undoubtedly relate.

The lesson here for these pitchers who rely on ground balls is that walks are bad and HRs are worse. Ray Fosse made a great point last night about the 4-seam fastball Cahill likely threw to Hairston, trying to add velocity and maybe sacrifice movement in order to throw a strike. When they get in trouble, young pitchers tend to want to throw harder. Yet often it is the pitcher's ability to sink the ball that can get them out of a jam, and when the count is 3-1 if they go "softer" with the good sinking fastball they can use the hitter's aggressiveness against them. If they go harder with the "ok now I really have to throw a strike" fastball, well...I think by now we all know what happens.

The moral of the story is that it's best not to get two runners on and it's best not to go to a 3-1 count. But if you do, it is not the time to "give in" - it's a time to realize that there are worse things than loading the bases when you are always one pitch away from getting out of the jam.

This is why Cahill might benefit from more time in the minors. It's not that he will suddenly learn control/command, it's that experience tells you what to do and what not to do in these situations. If the A's open the season with Cahill, Eveland et al in the rotation, these lessons will be learned in real time on a big league diamond. And if it takes 10 losses in a row in the Cactus League for these lessons to sink in now, it is well worth it.

The good news is that Eveland really settled down and turned in 7 IP that were actually pretty decent overall. The A's scored in the 1st and 9th, first on a Crosby single and SB followed by a Jack Hannahan RBI single, and last on a Sean Doolittle absolute bomb that should land any moment. Santiago Casilla pitched a scoreless 8th to lower his Spring ERA to 1.23.

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nice wrap up

Eveland is the least of the A’s problems.

Nice to hear Casilla’s throwing his slider apparently without fear once more.

by OaklandSi on Mar 28, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Pitching

Any time you have a losing streak that reaches 10 games, spring or not, it is a bad sign. It will be a learning year for the pitching staff. I will keep the faith.

by Tahoe Chuck on Mar 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Not sure I agree at all

Oftentimes, these games are being decided by players who won’t even be on the team come April 6th. Case in point: In the 3rd inning today, had Pennington fielded a tough “DP grounder” in the hole (it went into LF for a hit) right before Hardy’s 3-run HR, the inning would have been over. Ken and Ray felt O. Cabrera might well have gotten to it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 28, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

It’s time to start winning, at least to start fostering the winning attitude.

Let's Go Oakland! clap clap clapclapcl-- damn, I think I sprained my wrist...

by SF Geoff on Mar 29, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

how many hr’s does holliday have so far?

If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.

by 9Custs on Mar 28, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

he’s just going through the motions.

none of these guys care about spring training (other than injuries).

Lose 5-6 more in a row, just be ready when it counts.

by Walton711 on Mar 28, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup - Cliff Lee has an ERA over 12.00

and had a 9.00 ERA last Spring before going 22-3.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 28, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee is a weird case

this spring.

How on earth does he strike out 14, walk 2, and allow 1 HR in 16+2/3 innings, but then also give up 37 hits and 23 ER? His BABIP-against must be .600 or something.

by colin on Mar 28, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not a numbers guy,

but it would make sense if he were trying to work out different locations/styles, right? He’s essentially good enough to not give up the gopher ball or walk batters, but if he’s working on location and/or new pitches or tweaks, and they’re not invested in the results at all, then it makes sense to give up hits, but no walks and/or HRs.

"If I told you once, I told you a thousand times: get yourself a hacksaw and a roll of duck tape, and attach your ankle-bracelet monitor to the leg of a gator." -lemurspoker

by Leopold Bloom on Mar 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's around .500 babip

over 19 hits allowed per 9 innings

"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra

by Cheezombie on Mar 29, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

I’m pretty sure Matt Holliday has forgotten how to hit. He’ll be out of baseball by 2011.

The artist formerly known as HigherPie.

by vegAN ryAN on Mar 28, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

FIRE HOLLIDAY NOW!

Some of the most violent things I’ve ever seen were at Raiders games. And I’ve been to jail. - leopold bloom

by designatedforassignment on Mar 28, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That guy's a choad. Dump him.

"If I told you once, I told you a thousand times: get yourself a hacksaw and a roll of duck tape, and attach your ankle-bracelet monitor to the leg of a gator." -lemurspoker

by Leopold Bloom on Mar 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bring back Giambi!

Oh, wait…

Let's Go Oakland! clap clap clapclapcl-- damn, I think I sprained my wrist...

by SF Geoff on Mar 29, 2009 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha... I'd settle for 7 IP and 4 earned runs...

out of our starters every game this year! It’s our potent offense that is supposed to score 5 runs or more a game and win these types of games in the regular season.

Looks like about 100 wins to me. ;-)

Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...

by FoolshGame22 on Mar 28, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions  

i wish...

our offense will be a billion times better than last year, but i doubt it will be a top 15 mlb offense

If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.

by 9Custs on Mar 28, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be if they had 9 Custs

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Mar 28, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we will be, if our starting nine stay relatively

healthy. Coliseum’s not a hitter’s park, but…I think top half’s doable. That lineup yesterday (which was supposed to be what we’re thinking our starting lineup will look like come real time), the bottom three were Suzuki, Buck and Ellis. If that’s the bottom third…top half’s a realistic goal, I think.

"If I told you once, I told you a thousand times: get yourself a hacksaw and a roll of duck tape, and attach your ankle-bracelet monitor to the leg of a gator." -lemurspoker

by Leopold Bloom on Mar 28, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Casilla

With pretty much the entire rest of the projected bullpen not performing that well, it’s nice to see Casilla putting together a nice spring. He was great last year before the injury and if he can return to that form I think he should be considered for closing duties since I think Ziegler is better suited to the middle innings and Devine will probably be on the DL at some point as well.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Mar 28, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I was actually wondering if Casilla's great Spring

might make him worth enough to be packaged for a veteran starting pitcher. With Bailey knocking on the door he might be expendable, and I’m not sure where Casilla fits in with Devine, Ziggy, Springer, and Wuertz ahead of him.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 29, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you'd need more than a decent reliever to get a veteran starter, unless it's Carlos Silva

or someone like that that the team’s trying to get rid of. Hmm…..Barry Zito and cash for Casilla!

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Mar 29, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

"to be packaged"

Casilla, and a B prospect, might be enough to get you a #3 starter who is reliable but not great – basically a Randy Wolf / Javier Vasquez type.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 29, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

So Casilla and Cunningham for Randy Wolf?

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Mar 29, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's actually hard to identify the right SP

It’s interesting how few pitchers are good enough to want but not too good to be able to get without giving up too much. I wish the A’s could have matched the talent-offer for Vasquez, as it sounds like he was gotten for way too little – he is frustratingly not great, but he is solid. Wolf is not an option as he was a FA and would have to consent to a deal.

Who else would the A’s go after? Guys like Jarrod Washburn and Carlos Silva aren’t good enough, while guys like Jake Peavy and Mark Buehrle are too good. Does Bronson Arroyo really make you better?

My best shot in the dark: Brett Myers?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 29, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd actually go for a short term stopgap like Pedro. Someone to fill in for a couple

of months while the youngsters marinate in Sacramento.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Mar 29, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

At $5mil/year?

If the A’s, as Ken Rosenthal suggests, only have about $2mil to play with, it’s not really an option. And Pedro doesn’t seem to want to pitch in the AL anyway.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 29, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dreaming

Casilla would be essentially a throw-in because he has yet to have a full quality season. Cunningham would be the prize, if someone saw him as a prize.

Wolf’s salary is $4.75M. Vazquez’s salary is $11.5M.

by richwol1 on Mar 29, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Vazquez is getting that much???

I had no idea. That does change things a lot. What are your thoughts on Brett Myers? He was the best I could find in the “might be available at relatively low cost, might actually improve the rotation enough” middle ground.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 29, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Myers is a FA after this year ($12M). I wouldn't trade Cunningham for him.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Mar 29, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

The fact that he's on a one-year deal is a plus, though,

for a team not wanting a long-term solution so much as a good 2009 solution.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 29, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Salary info

is available on players’ pages at foxsports.com

That info used to be available at yahoo and espn.com but apparently no longer is. I wonder why.

by richwol1 on Mar 29, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

If recent trends continue

Casilla will find himself in front of most of them

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Mar 29, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

he will because he's better than most of them...

almost all of them, in fact.

Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...

by FoolshGame22 on Mar 29, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give you that

Except Devine if he’s healthy.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Mar 30, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

he will because he's better than most of them...

almost all of them, in fact.

Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...

by FoolshGame22 on Mar 29, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll give you that

Except Devine if he’s healthy.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Mar 30, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh and more injury news

Possibly mentioned elsewhere but might as well post it here too. Sweeney and Barton are both out with upper-leg injuries; Barton’s being an aggravation of what he had earlier this spring. Urban has the details.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Mar 28, 2009 11:47 PM PDT reply actions  

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