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What did GoG stand for again?

I was looking back through my fanposts (nee diaries) on AN, just for old times sake, and apparently, all I've been good for are draft day threads and research, GoG scores, win expectation charts, and two DLDs.

 

Star-divide

I'll start with something which has to do with these current Athletics. It originates in a note from my 2006 Draft Day thread:

Trevor Cahill, RHP, Vista HS, Vista, CA. Could be a signability issue, since he's committed to Dartmouth, and that scholarship is worth a lot of money, plus an education.

However you lean on the Cahill debate, you must agree that has worked out well for us so far, hasn't it?

Meanwhile, tomorrow's (or today's) starting pitcher for the Arizona State Sun Devils against my USC Trojans is also on that list:

Michael Leake, RHP, Fallbrook (CA) HS. I think he finished 10-1, with a bunch of Ks, or something. Info is really scarce on him.

I'll know plenty more about his stuff tomorrow, but apparently he's a first round talent now. Maybe he's the guy that the signability issue should have been attached to. (And apparently he's really good. Has a 1.something ERA so far for ASU, and goes both ways, and that ASU lineup is ridiculous.)

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This is not a draft retrospective. This might just be a peek back into my history with AN, which I'm told began officially on April 11, 2005 after a few months of lurking, when I was assigned the UID of 1887, and proceeded into a brave new world.

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I can't say I've been following the A's too closely since I've been in LA. I know more about USC baseball than I do A's baseball at this point in the spring. Hell, I probably know more about USC women's rowing at this point. I couldn't name the rotation at this point, I couldn't give you a starting lineup, and I probably still think Crosby is going to start Opening Day, perhaps along with Chavvy. (oh... wait. Those are still possibilities?)

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I still have a file somewhere deep in my backups called aliensANgame.xls, last modified September 15, 2005, the first season I was on AN. I don't know what any of the numbers mean anymore, or how to work the excel spreadsheet, or what VORG (value over replacement guesser?) means and how it was calculated. It apparently was a large operation, over 4 spreadsheets, with "averages" and more advanced statistics, all clumped into one file, for the purpose of ... I don't know, you tell me? 143 different people participated at some point, 40 of whom qualified for the title at the end of the year. The winner was HangMan (or perhaps easyraider), who I don't recall seeing on the site for years now. I don't think Alien made the switch to the new AN/SBNation either. What does this vignette have to do about? Nothing, I suppose. Maybe just a longing for the past, a wish for a time where I wasn't working about 20 hours a week over 20 units of class, neither of which is really daunting in the grand scheme of things. And I never did get the results for series #19 and series #22, so I guess, 3 1/2 years after the fact, we can officially call that the final standings. (and if you're wondering, this was the first GoG of 2006, of which I don't have stats for. The community became far two large for a two person operation by then... and this was 3 years ago.)

Maybe I just wrote all that because I just, for the first time, read the goodbye Monkeyball thread, and I yearn for the days of GoGs again, just without the work. And if you were wondering, it was a lot of work. If you really want the spreadsheet, I can send it to you. I can't explain it anymore.

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The other thing I did was a direct ripoff of Lookout Landing: win expectancy charts. I don't know why I did them, but at the time, FanGraphs didn't exist to give you a simple little thing that everyone could access. As a result, stuff like this, which to be honest, was kind of amazing. Poor Bob Wickman. And seriously, when was the last time you saw "Kendall" printed that big, or "Kielty HR" in ... well, any capacity? And not only that, Jason Kendall did TWO good things on that fateful July day. (This one is still my favourite. September 4, 2002. The graph does not match how you felt that day, I guarantee it.)

I didn't do this very often, and I never intended to make it a regular feature or anything, so it never became one. It was just a fun thing to do, so I did it, and I had the time back during high school summers, so I could do it. Suffice to say, I don't anymore. It's possible that I'm writing this for me, not the community - no, I am writing this for me, not the community - and maybe I'm just unsure of what the future holds for me and just want to harken back to the past.

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The days of FIRE MACHA NOW are over. The days of Barry Zito area code ERA trackers are over. Well, actually, they might not be, but still. I'll be honest, I miss the old AN. That's why I'm writing this. But I promise, there is a point beyond that.

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I think AN would make a fascinating study for the growth and evolution of an online community, through the people involved, the legitimacy and clout of the operation, the little features and how they are received, how it is governed, etc. I haven't studied anything on the growth of online communities, but I have a feeling most are much the same, but the Web2.0eyness of AN and a relatively long Web2.0 history are interesting.

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Maybe I'm not in tune with AN anymore. I'll be honest: all I read now are game threads, and even then, it is quite rare. I'll lurk once in a while; if I want to talk MLB, I'll come here. I don't read the DLDs anymore, however fun they may be. The last DLD I did was June 24, 2006. It seems forever ago. This is my first fanpost, or whatever it's called now that they're not called diaries. I'll probably need to go back and edit this because I don't know the difference between an intro paragraph and an entry body, and it's just perplexing.

Maybe you're reading this and thinking that I'm just trying to shove in your face that I've been here for four years and I had an ID number in the 1800s, and signed up some few thousand people before you, and thus, I'm better than you. I promise you, that is not the case. In reality, I'm just as new as you, at least to this iteration of the community.

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I'll admit, this has the smackings of a meta-thread. Maybe it is one.
I'll end with this: all communities have a hard time at some point. No community is perfect: wounds take time to heal, conflict takes time to resolve, or perhaps will never be resolved. Community changes. It changes incessantly: hourly, weekly, monthly, yearly. If, like (with few exceptions) we wish for, and there is a parade in downtown Oakland come October, the community will change with success; with barren times, the community also changes, sometimes for good, sometimes for bad. Strong communities will overcome challenges, whether internal or external. AN is, I hope and believe, strong enough to overcome.

We may not talk about kRaZeE bAnNiNg WaNdS and lemurconkers anymore, and Jay Witasick in a tube top and jokes about height may no longer be understood by most of the community, but new inside jokes are spawned all the time, and although I'm no longer privvy to them, someone is, and someone will respond, and it will grow. The community is still alive - just evolving and changing all the time. If the community is still alive, it can and it will overcome, move past the struggles, and continue to grow.

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The light at the end of the dark tunnel can be seen. Baseball: the kind played outside of Arizona and Florida, without the ping of aluminium, the kind with wood bats, playing perhaps through falling snowflakes in the North, or at legendary stadiums of hated traditional powers, or perhaps just at home, the Coliseum, where trough urinals await - it is baseball, Oakland Athletics baseball, that brings this community together. Allow it to do so, so we can enjoy the successes and wallow in the failures of the season together, and hope that there are many more successes than failures over the course of 2009.

 

 

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If you've gotten all the way down here and actually read it all, or any of it, really thank you. I'm not sure why you did it, and I'm not why I wrote all this, but I felt like writing. But truly, I appreciate it.

This took me about 3 1/2 hours to write. As a college student, I promise you there were lots more things I could have done those 3 1/2 hours. And yet, it was strangely cathartic, and it's fun to just write. Maybe you don't find it appropriate for a post, or maybe you just didn't want me to go on and on about me, myself, and I, and if you're reading this so far down, it's unlikely that you didn't want to read it, but if you found me elitist, annoying, self-centred, or just a boring writer, I'm sorry.

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... and now to say something completely different and off the wall: Dedeaux Field down here at SC has trough urinals, just like the Coliseum. I've begun equating trough urinals to baseball. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not, but they are one and the same.

Before I say other dumb things, this is the real end.
Let's Go Oakland!

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Jj...

It’s ok to mourn the way AN used to be. I enjoyed reading your thoughts. Everything changes and sometimes for the good and sometimes for the not so good…but AN is a reflection of the community of people reading it and posting on it . So if a lot of different types of posters join the group the atmosphere here changes. I miss a lot of the cmaraderie of the past that a lot of you brought to the threads…but I see new ones developing. Leopold Bloom is carrying that torch with several people now. You have to enjoy the place for it’s changing face and the constant influx of new ideas brought here by new posters and the stabilizing and usually mature influences of veteran posters.

by IM4Oakgal on Mar 28, 2009 8:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm still here

I don’t post as much, but I still spend hours reading many of the fanposts. Far, far too many hours. :-)
I enjoyed your trip down memory lane. We’re all gonna die!

by Hang Man on Mar 28, 2009 8:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, no I am not sure...

But I think “Guess the Outcome of the Game” or Game outcome Guesses, or something along those lines.

by Hang Man on Mar 28, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess the Outcome Game

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Mar 28, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Psst...

I have a question. Do you mind emailing me?

"Smells like summer camp!"

by Jennifer on Mar 28, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess the Outcome Game

and it’s coming back this year!

Look for GOG 2009-00 posted tomorrow.

by colin on Mar 28, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yay, good luck with that!

are we still shooting for baseball averages, or just points?

and noone will take away the fact that i posted the first negative score, ever.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Mar 28, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going with the same point system

3 points for a correct answer on open ended questions, 0 points for incorrect

for yes/no questions, it’s +1 for correct and -1 for incorrect (so there is still a possibility of someone repeating your feat)

and, my favorite, the stat line questions (like AB/H/HR or IP/K/ER) with 2 points for each part

I was basically just planning to keep track of points, but I do like me some statistics, so you’ll probably see some mean and standard deviations out there. Maybe there should be a GOG+ stat, scaled so the average score is 100, of course.

by colin on Mar 28, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for taking the time to write this, Jjjsixsix

I tend to brood about the past, myself — and that tendency is partly wrapped up with my NRAFdom. I haven’t actually been to an A’s game for over 10 years, and most of my real-life Coliseum experiences were in the 80s and to a lesser extent in the 90s. NRAFing can be kind of like a waking Rip van Winkleism. This community helps me keep in touch with the current A’s (and more broadly with current Bay Area happenings), and maintain my memories, as well. I think there’s room for both.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Mar 28, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It is always time for a Cali visit, IM4Oakgal

A lot of the time I feel like an expatriate — that’s really how I think of myself, as an expatriate Californian living in New Jersey, not as a New Jerseyan. But I think that to a large extent the California I miss just doesn’t exist any more. I never really liked Joan Didion’s writing very much, but she wrote a book about 4 years ago called Where I Was From about the ideology of Californianism that was just fantastic — she really got to the heart of what it means to grow up in a place that’s timeless in some ways (especially the natural environment) but fluid and constantly changing in so many others. Every generation imagines that their California is the “true” California, that always has and always should exist, and every generation grows up to mourn the passing of what was never permanent to begin with.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Mar 28, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I grew up in Washington State...

and still relate to it as home so I hear ya. When they build a new ballpark for the A’s…do you think that you’ll want to come out and visit it? Do you still ahve family here in the Bay Area?

by IM4Oakgal on Mar 28, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have some cousins in SF who grew up elsewhere

but I don’t have any immediate family in the Bay Area any more (although my dad and step-mother will probably be going back there in a few years). My wife and I have a lot of friends there still.

Yes, I imagine I’ll catch an A’s game at the new ballpark, whenever that happens. We have visited the Bay Area since moving, but we just happen to have been there while the A’s were out of town. Otherwise, we would have gone to a game or two.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Mar 28, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you know, I hadn't thought about this before...

…but I was just looking at my avatar (which is a still of Jimmy Stewart’s head from the dream sequence in my favorite film, Hitchcock’s Vertigo) which I picked because I love the film so much (although I almost picked a still of Joseph Cotton from Shadow of a Doubt instead). Vertigo involves the overlap between present and past, living and dead, real and imaginary, and the dangerous appeal of diving back into the past, into fantasy, and into death. Maybe there was more to my picking that image as my avatar on an A’s blog than I realized at the time…

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Mar 28, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought it was because vertigo is a common injury with the a's (DJ, buck)

by the way, if any of you old timers (nick, DMOAS, etc.) want to do a fantasy league with other ANers (head to head, draft is tomorrow @1 pacific), we need one more team, email me.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Mar 28, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the invite, but I'm gonna pass

I’ve never liked fantasy leagues, because I really don’t like betting on sports (I’ve never filled out a March Madness bracket, for instance), and fantasy leagues seem to me to be just betting based on elaborate performance formulas.

i thought it was because vertigo is a common injury with the a’s (DJ, buck)

No, but that makes me wonder whether, in honor of MAC, I should change my avatar to this:

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Mar 28, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this clearly represents why we have to

view the Rat Pack’s stats with a grain of salt. The Chairman was obviously using PEDs from a very early stage in his career.

"If I told you once, I told you a thousand times: get yourself a hacksaw and a roll of duck tape, and attach your ankle-bracelet monitor to the leg of a gator." -lemurspoker

by Leopold Bloom on Mar 28, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey yeah,

thanks for the invite, but i don’t come anywhere close to knowing enough to play fantasy baseball anymore. it’ll be like oh! i think he was an A once! and i end up picking olmedo saenz or someone.

hope you can find someone else, though!

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Mar 28, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm about a step above Jjjsixsix

But thanks anyway!

CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."

by DMOAS on Mar 28, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, speaking of kRaZeE bAnNiNg WaNdS and lemurconkers...

That f’n ANcillary Terms thing still really, really needs to go away. Totally irrelevant these days, even if all the links worked properly any more, which they don’t. And the Co-op Glossary wasn’t created with the intention of being a static thing in the first place. And I’m tired of emailing about it, so hopefully someone who can make it go away will read this.

...then Pennington takes over.

by Poppy on Mar 28, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To this day, one of my proudest accomplishments...

…the GOG points champ.

Actually, I think that is only because I played most of them.

You were right the first time, Hangman is the deserving champ based on his per GOG avg.

Looks like the long-awaited rematch is set with GOG 2009. It’s on!

Thanks for the trip down memory lane Jjjsixsix.

Regards,

  1. 725

by easyraider on Mar 28, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mike Leake is really good.

Either that or SC just can’t hit.

"The hard... is what makes it great."

by Jjjsixsix on Mar 28, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that's some fanpost

The “AN is a bar” metaphor seems particularly apt here. I can totally imagine you sitting at the bar telling all this to the bartender, particularly the way the tone evolves through the various stages of maudlin.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers."

by iglew on Mar 29, 2009 3:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love this post.

Thank you for the memories, and I miss the WinExp posts, and a lot of the other stuff you mentioned. Hope to see you (and your awesome baseball analysis) around this season.

I miss the “Pick who’s hotter” game, and the comic strips.

"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers

by baseballgirl on Mar 29, 2009 2:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and obviously the WinExp posts...Lookout Landing has amazing ones.

I’d love to see those here again.

"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers

by baseballgirl on Mar 29, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am glad this is how you spent those 3 1/2 hours. Thanks

"No offense, Nico, but starcitygames.com used to be the AN of Magic sites "

by tresselfan on Mar 29, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hi jjjsixsix

How’s college? Weren’t you just a HS freshman a blink ago…? Ah how time flies.

by Apricot on Mar 29, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If I remember correctly, it was a prophesy about "G.O." Gonzalez.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Mar 30, 2009 7:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jay Witasick will always wear a tube top in my memories...

I also miss Midwest AN days where all of us NRAFs would hang out, tailgate, and drink gallons of green chili beer!

I'm not a big wine guy... Where do you grow the BEER?

by str8tarrow on Mar 30, 2009 6:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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