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Killion & Neyer Slam Wolff

http://www.mercurynews.com/annkillion/ci_11981252?nclick_check=1

Killion makes a bunch of accusations based on Lew's statement that he doesn't want to "cover old ground" and try and stay at the colliseum long term. I don't really say anything wrong with Lew's statement he's just not getting anyone's hopes up or trying to make false promises. Would you rather he give it to you straight or tell you for years he will keep the team in oakland before pulling a fast one and moving off to Oklahoma City (ala Seattle Supersonics). I have some friends who are Sonics fans and they are absolutely devastated, and Seattle politicians have threatened legal action over the false overtures of the ownership group pretending to be interested in keeping the team there.

Killion goes off on a tangent saying trashing the colliseum will cause attendance to decline:

Almost two decades ago, Giants owner Bob Lurie originated the "I hate my ballpark and you should too," public relations campaign.

In case Wolff, busy with hotel development at the time, overlooked Lurie's campaign, here's a brief summary of its effectiveness: an unmitigated disaster.

Lurie, frustrated with his own aging and shared facility, kept trying to move the Giants. To the South Bay. To Tampa/St. Pete. Anywhere but Candlestick Park. He let everyone know how much he hated his ballpark. And, in a stunning development, his words didn't woo fans to games, but rather persuaded them to stay away. In droves.

The Giants' average home attendance steadily declined from a peak of 26,074 in 1989, a year the team was in the World Series, to 19,759 in 1992.

That's about what the A's averaged last season, the fifth consecutive season of attendance drops. The A's drew 27,179 in 2004, the season before Wolff bought the team. Last season, they were down to 20,559.

In our little baseball petri dish, we have proven that you can't expect to draw well if you publicly hate your ballpark.

For all you statistics majors out there, this is a good example of the old truth, "correlation is not causation." Let me give you a more probable cause for the attendance decline for the Giants: their record went from 90-72 in 89, to 85-77 in 90, 75-87 in 91, and 72-90 in 92.

As for her quip at the end there blaming Lew for the A's attendance declines... the A's record was 91-71 in 2004, it was 75-86 last year.

I'm sure Lew wish he had the power to make fans show up or not merely by making propagandistic statements about how beautiful the colliseum is, but unfortunately he does not have said power, sorry Ms. Killion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=4015171&type=blogEntry

Neyer doesn't agree with Killion on the fan base thing, but the title of his entry accuses Lew of being removed from his fan base. How is Lew's statement out of touch? I thought it was pretty much well agreed among the fan base that the Colliseum is on the lesser end of baseball stadiums and that Mt. Davis sucks.

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I don't really think anything Lew Wolff says is going to significantly impact attendance

It’s already on the poor side for any number of reasons, some of which include him personally, some of which are tied in more to the team on the field and the stadium itself.

Everyone knows he wants out of the Coliseum. I would too if I was in his shoes.

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by Flashfire on Mar 26, 2009 12:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And the thing Killion neglects to mention, at least in the quoted section above...

…is the Giants did stay in San Francisco and got a jewel of a ballpark in the process.

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by Flashfire on Mar 26, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the South Bay rights

that are affecting options for the A’s now.

by oblique on Mar 26, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, attendance at the ol' facility tends to decline...

when everybody knows you’re gonna move. Insightful? Hardly. Lew to blame? Hardly. Oakland is done, over, kaput! They’re moving on to greener pastures.

I do not like Walter Haas. Giving up territorial rights without compensation is just dumb. But, on the bright side, it makes the move to San Jose that much easier. If the A’s had taken their pound of flesh from the Giants for the territorial rights, they’d have to pay for them to get them back.

But, they didn’t, so getting them back will be free.

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by FoolshGame22 on Mar 26, 2009 1:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

New A's Ballpark blog has a good writeup about why the A's gave up the rights

basically, they assumed that if the Giants moved to San Jose, the entire North Bay would be theirs in essence. And in a further-alternate scenario writeup, if the Giants had moved to San Jose, the A’s could very well have moved to San Francisco.

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by Zonis on Mar 26, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess thats what telling the truth gets you.

It’s funny, Wolff hasn’t said anything besides fact. At least according to Billy Beane in the third part of the front page interview. Beane even mentioned that the lackluster facilities within the Coliseum may have been a contributing factor to losing out on FA signings over the offseason. If players are turning you down because they don’t like your stadium, you know thats a problem. Heck, that may have even been the proverbial straw that broke the camels back for the ownership and management of the team.

Over the last few years it wasn’t like your average family or tourist was going to up and decide to go to a game at the Coliseum anyway so who are Wolff’s comments going to turn away? There isn’t anything welcoming about the place like an AT&T park nor is there a whole lot of history or nostalgia like another older facility like Yankee Stadium or Fenway. Now I know that will illicit the same old responses about how no one wants the business people and casual fans there anyhow, but thats not the point. The vast majority of fans at the A’s games are the die hards who go to see their favorite team. Unfortunately not even most of them could probably stomach frequently making the trip to watch the product that was being put on the field the last couple of years. The ones that have aren’t going to be affected by Lew’s comments because they undoubtedly have already formed their opinion of the place themselves and don’t mind because they love watching their team, win or lose.

Bottom line, I don’t see anything wrong with Wolff’s comments. They are nothing new to anyone whose been to the Coliseum lately, and the people who would supposedly be turned off by the comments have already stopped attending games.

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by KMoAsFan on Mar 26, 2009 1:56 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Truth hurts

But it’s not like Wolff is saying anything that most of us didn’t already know.

by athletics68 on Mar 26, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Casual Fans

The “casual fans” don’t read blogs, listen to sports talk radio and maybe only glance at the scores. Their attendance is based on past experience, not anything Wolff has to say.

Enjoy the game

by DCinWC on Mar 26, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Underwear and bathrobes.

PJs if you’re going for the more formal look.

by OldhamA on Mar 26, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dress Code?

GREEN!

Enjoy the game

by DCinWC on Mar 26, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Add a rough economic climate

And you have one of the worst seasons in attendance ever.

And I don’t even want to think what will happen if we don’t contend this year

Clear its radiance shine...

by ATarHeel on Mar 26, 2009 7:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Killion

My advice, from a long time San Jose Merc reader is to just skip everything Killion writes. If you do happen to read an article by her, just believe the opposite and it is usually correct.

by j_rich36 on Mar 26, 2009 7:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

3 sides

  The first side is Giants supporters who want the A’s to leave no matter what. The last thing they want is a positive article about the A’s getting a stadium anywhere and especialy san jose. The second is oakland supporters who will say anything to make it sound like they are not at fault for the A’s wanting to leave. The third is the truth which is the A’s need a stadium somewhere in the bay area. As for Wolfe he is right about moving the A’s because he knows just like us A’s fans that oakland will never get a new stadium built.

by Arcman on Mar 26, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Giants Supporters

I don’t think they really care what the A’s do. My feeling is they think of us less they we think of them. Since PacBell was built nothing the A’s have done has impacted them.

Enjoy the game

by DCinWC on Mar 26, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But building a new stadium wont?

Of all the things it’s possible for the A’s to do, building a stadium in the bay area is the one thing that will definatley impact them. Especially one in SJ.

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by alox on Mar 26, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From my observations, they care and pay attention more than they let on.

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by UncleLeo on Mar 26, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oakland had plenty of time

to work with the A’s on a new ballpark. It was made clear that Oakland has more important issues to deal with. In my opinion, I feel the city of Oakland (and the county of Alameda) showed the A’s exactly how they feel when they allowed the Raiders, a team that had abandoned the East Bay for LA , to ruin the Coliseum. Since Lew announced they would no longer pursue a new ballpark in Fremont, I’ve had several casual Giants fans tell me they would buy season tickets if the A’s end up in San Jose.

by Midori1967 on Mar 26, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think what Wolff says is going to have much of an impact

There’s no doubt that the A’s actions, which say they want to run like hell from Oakland, have an impact on attendance (and probably make lots of little Oaklanders Giants fans).

My major problem with Wolff slamming the door on Oakland is that it might not be a very bright business decision. Leaving doors open is generally a good idea. He’d have been better off giving Oakland very clear instructions about what they need to do if they want back in the game. The Coliseum site remains the path of least resistance to a new ballpark, and that’s a pretty valuable option in a devastated economy.

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by jeepers on Mar 26, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your point about business decisions,

but my take on it is that Wolff issued that statement and quote specifically to manage everyone’s expectations, and to not play into Dellums’ charade. If Lew Wolff had said, yes, let’s explore the idea, and here is what you need to do to make this possible and in the end it (somehow!) didn’t work out, then I think he becomes the one to bear the blame…again. Whether or not he deserves it. I dunno, maybe he doesn’t care about who gets the blame, but we (collective we, AN/Bay Area and beyond) sure seem to.

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by pam5981 on Mar 26, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's certainly preemptive.

Thing is, San Jose could fail just as miserably.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Mar 26, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Insane Ticket Prices

Hello? Lew Wolff raised the price of good tickets past the point of sanity. Why attend a game when it costs $30 or more for a decent view (inside the bases)?

by muscatel on Mar 27, 2009 11:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You could ask that question of just about every team in the Majors

If you look around at ticket prices elsewhere, the majority of them are still higher than what A’s fans are asked to pay.

Not saying that’s a good thing, though. I think there’s no reason to need to pay $100+ to sit between the bases and I’d only pay over that for a special section once in a great while. Even $75 for a ticket to a baseball game is a lot.

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by Flashfire on Mar 28, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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