Anderson Eyeing Starting Rotation (Game Recap)
White Sox 5, A’s 4
Brett Anderson put together a pretty good start today (at least compared to most of his competition!), as he went 4.1 with 7 hits and 2 runs (4 SO, 0 walks). You would have to think this makes the case for him, wouldn’t you?
Andrew Bailey followed up with a great inning plus, retiring 5, with one strikeout. Wuertz ran into some trouble in his inning, allowing two hits and a run, and Schroder gave up two hits and two runs in his inning.
The A’s collected eight hits in their turn at the plate: Davis, Cabrera, two from Cust, Galarraga, and two from Crosby, and a late hit from Hannahan, who closed the gap 5-4 in the top of the ninth inning, as the A’s fell just short. In a bit of good news, Mark Ellis did play 2nd base today, and Davis made another sparkling catch out in the field.
Some interesting news out of the Angels' camp today, especially for those of us who were counting on a Duchscherer/Lackey match-up to kick off the season. Looks like neither one will make it.
Angels ace John Lackey has been shut down because of elbow tightness, an injury that knocked the right-hander out of Friday's exhibition start and could jeopardize his scheduled opening-day start against Oakland on April 6.
It should be an interesting AL West race, if nothing else. The A's are off tomorrow, but will play Friday night.
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7 hits in 4.1 innings does not excite me.
4 Ks and 0 BBs does.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Most were soft singles
Dye’s double was probably the only really hard hit ball. Thome’s double after Dye’s was a ball that would have been caught if not for the ridiculous wind today (which also robbed Sweeney of a potential homer) according to Korach. Anderson was also robbed of not 1 but 2 outs when his infielders botched surefire pickoffs.
This was a very good outing by Anderson. The 7 hits are just a SSS BABIP blip.
The artist formerly known as HigherPie.
You were too busy making an actual point?
Which I appreciate — didn’t see/hear the game today, so that kind of insight is nice.
That is a good one
In fact BABLIP is so good I’ve rec’d it and I hope others will do the same so that it becomes a well-known and respectable ANism now!
I miss Chad God
2009 A's Rotation and BP
Braden
Eveland
Gallagher
Anderson
Cahill
Duke
Outman
Devine
Ziggy
Casilla
Springer
Bailey
by redtopcowboy on Mar 25, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If Duke goes 4 innings next week (Giants Series), he is the “5th Starter”, and Cahill starts in AAA… which is fine by me.
Wuertz > Bailey
Outman or Blevins seems to be the big question.
by Colorado Fan on Mar 25, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
agree about Duke...
not so sure Wuertz over Bailey. Bailey’s looking damn good to me.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 26, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Where is Gio?
Is Gio’s injury so bad that he won’t be ready by opening day? I thought he is day to day. If he is healthy, he should get a shot to start.
by batterbatter on Mar 25, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He hasn't pitched in a game in a couple weeks
So he’s way behind.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 25, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW
Gio looked great b4 he got hurt…. I noticed a lot more confidence in Gio this Spring Training. Maybe it’s just me.
by Colorado Fan on Mar 26, 2009 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions
he hasn't pitched more than 2 innings yet
this spring, so he will not be ready to start.
Cahill
Oh yeah, I don’t believe he is ready to start. I got a feeling he’s gonna get shelled in his outings and that will destroy his confidence. See: Philip Hughes. I’d rather see Outman get a shot.
by batterbatter on Mar 25, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of which, how is Nick Adenhart doing?
Did we succeed in destroying his confidence when beat him up in his MLB debut last May?
(And can I go back to saying “we” without the asterisk now that PT is gone?)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers."
no, he's still not wrong about it
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
rotation
is it just me or is the concern about the a’s rotation grossly understated?
someone mentions below that we don’t have an obvious black hole in the 4th/5th spot, but to me, every spot is a potential black hole. i mean, braden has gotten more than a few chances and he’s never had any semblance of sustained success. what exactly is making everyone assume that he won’t get totally bombed? has he made that much of a stride in this past off season?
The A's have lost a whole bunch in a row.
I know this is still spring training, but it’s the end of spring training, and suddenly all the pitchers are looking very vulnerable.
eh
I’d like to see our everday Starting Lineup play together for a string of games before I start worrying.
1. Buck
2. Cabrera
3. Holliday
4. Giambi
5. Cust
6. Chavez/Nomah
7. Sweeney
8. Suzuki
9. Ellis
by Colorado Fan on Mar 25, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
It’s time to get the starters on the field.
by redtopcowboy on Mar 25, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you mean
1. Buck
2. Cust
3. Holliday
4. Giambi
5. Chavez/Nomar
6. Sweeney
7. Suzuki
8. Cabrera
9. Ellis
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by Zonis on Mar 25, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ditto
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 26, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Much better, but I think I'd switch it to
1. Buck
2. Cust
3. Chavez/Nomar
4. Holliday
5. Giambi
6. Sweeney
7. Suzuki
8. Cabrera
9. Ellis
on the “The Book”ish theory that #4 and #5 are more important than #3.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers."
excuse my French...
but, no f*cking way do Chavez or Nomar see the majority of AB’s in the third spot this year.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 26, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
But it's perfectly for his unclutchness
The Book says that the #3 spot is mostly likely to come up with two outs and no one on base.
The conventional wisdom says that Chavez hits best in the least important situations.
QED.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers."
okay... I'll play along...
you assume Chavez will hit, at all.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 26, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.
by shooting4life on Mar 26, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
“Suddenly all the pitchers are looking very vulnerable”? Don’t you mean all the pitchers continue to look very vulnerable? Braden as opening day starter does not strike a lot of confidence in me about the staff this year. Let’s hope many pieces fall into place plus Beane pulls a rabbit out of the hat and gets another starter somehow.
Better yet, let's hope Beane pulls a rabbit out of his hat,
and a bunch of pitchers whom no one thought were very good turn out to be pretty good after all. I think that’s more his style of magic.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers."
cust in not a number 2 hitter
no matter how many times he walks….Ks 200 times a year. Your number 2 hitter needs to have a good eye (as cust does) but have low Ks, good contact and move the runner over = Ellis or Cab….I would actually like to see:
1. Sweeney
2. Ellis
3. Holliday
4. Giambi
5. O. Cab (not a true #5 hitter, but I think he could do the job)
6. J. Cust
7. Chavez/nomar
8. Suzuki
9. Buck.
7.
Why does the #2 hitter need to have low Ks?
He’s either:
—hitting with a runner on (most likely) first, in which case a K is better than a double play. Not many balls in play are going to move the runner over from first, unless you give up an out to do so (bunting);
—hitting with a runner in scoring position, in which case he’s as capable as anyone on the team of doing damage—and even if he doesn’t move to third, the runner is still in scoring position with one out; or
— most likely hitting with nobody on base and one out, in which case he needs to get on base (and he’s the best guy on the team at doing that, except for maybe Holliday)
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
PT where are you when we need you?
You want a #2 who gets on base. After that, it’s nice if he doesn’t hit into a lot of DP’s. And, when it comes to good contact and moving the runner over, chicks (and managers) dig the long ball.
Do you know the way to San Jose?
by eastcoasta'sfan on Mar 25, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
A's seem to be running little more
the last 2 years and not having a Rickey Henderson to steal bases they might want a contact guy for a little hit and run action.
Where he belongs, evidently
The rebuttals offered are a lot more pleasant.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
if you're curious
Here is a good description of the rules that the authors of The Book found make for the highest scoring lineups.
I haven’t read The Book, so I can’t say for sure what the methodology behind the study was. I can say that it certainly involved running many Monte Carlo lineup simulations to estimate run scoring in each case. Also, as they point out in the BtB article, in any specific case, you can probably do slightly better by doing Monte Carlo with your own players, instead of just following the general rules.
Does anyone know if baserunning is included in the simulations? They mention basestealing in the lineup optimization rules, but in such an ad hoc way that I’m not sure they really calculated it.
Yes they are
I don’t agree, at all, with people who say that they’d rather have the Angels fully healthy and have us beat them. I say let every single one of their players go on the DL so they can know our pain and watch us win the division by 20+ games.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 25, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 26, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I root for every Halo to go lame...
every year, just as hard as I root for Mike Shanahan to be fired by the Denver Broncos.
Oh wait, this must be the year!
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 26, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I hate it when people are like “it’s not nice to wish injuries on other people”. Screw that garbage! I hope Vlad hits himself in the leg with a swing and smashes his shin to bits.
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Mar 26, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Anderson Cracks Rotation, Duke is back for April 10th, Cahill starts year in AAA.
That would leave the 1st week rotation as:
1. Braden
2. Eveland
3. Gallagher
4. Anderson
5. Duke
That’s not a totally fearsome 5, but if Duke can pull it together for 20+ starts, Eveland, Gallagher and Braden can eat innings with ERAs in the low 4.00s and Anderson does what he does (great control, 7.00 K/9 or so, low walks, limits damage) then I think this team can be competitive the 1st half of the season and then maybe re-evaluate halfway through and maybe swap in Cahill or Mazzaro for the weak link (Eveland?) or maybe make a trade.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
AC
Anderson and Cahill need to be attached at the hip.
Definitely not fearsome
Unless Anderson just jumps straight into being a force, which isn’t likely given his age and experience. It doesn’t contain that black hole that many teams have at #4 and #5, though.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
If they can eat innings with a low 4.00s ERA they're an awesome rotation.
That’s something like the Twins last year. I’m thinking they’ll be in the mid to high 4.00s at best. Why wouldn’t they be?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Mar 25, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Eveland had a 4.34 ERA last year in a fairy inconsistent season and Braden had a 4.14.
Considering that both guys have had a full season in the bigs and have made adjustments, either similar results should follow this season or even a little improvement should be expected. That’s two low-4.00 ERA innings eaters. Gallagher is a wildcard, but I expect a 4.50-ish ERA early in the season with plenty of ups and downs. That’s three guys with decent stats without really stretching all that much. Duke, if healthy, will likely be sub 4.00, likely by not much, by like 3.80-3.90. Anderson should be able to do something like 4.50 – 4.75 ERA.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
I won't believe Duchscherer will start this season in the rotation...
until I see him pitch decently in spring training.
Waiting….
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 26, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
-4
That is the altitude when the A’s step on the Diamond. The youngin’s can get a taste in the MLB with thick air. Reallly, really thick air.
Braden
Gallagher
Eveland
Anderson
Cahill
Devine
Ziggy
Duke
Springer
Outman/Blevins
Wuertz
Bailey
Casilla + Prospect for Aaron Heilman
by Colorado Fan on Mar 26, 2009 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Bailey seems to be making a push for a job sooner rather than later
The monster at the end of this blog.
You have to think Casilla and Wuertz shouldn't be too comfortable at this point.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Mar 25, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Casilla's done well?
Granted I have checked his stats in a few days, but I remember his ERA being under 2.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 25, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Casilla
is solid when he’s healthy.
Its Wuertz I’m not too impressed w/.
Bobby Crosby = ground-out triple play...
Yeah
Neither he nor Springer have impressed me at all. At least Springer helped Braden with his cutter though.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 25, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
since we're talking about spring sensations
where is mike mitchell…2 yrs of rest rehab from the former spriing training phenom
2 longmen in the bullpen?
so gio and either bailey/egon/p\outman?
Gio Gonzalez threw a light side session today; he looks more like a bullpen option at this point whenever he is able to return to regular action, especially considering that Geren mentioned this morning that he might want to take two longmen in the bullpen this season.
Rotation
“Geren mentioned this morning that he might want to take two longmen in the bullpen this season.”
I think this is an indication that they will take both Cahill and Anderson and have the two long men to take pressure of them if they get into trouble and to protect their arms.
Is there time to stretch out Bailey?
I mean if Duke is gonna be on the shelf and Gio isnt read I dont think its a bad idea. I mean he was a starter for a long time.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
I've heard his stuff translates better as a reliever
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 25, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Well thats true for just about any pitcher.
But he was the A’s organizational pitcher of the year a few years ago as a starter.
"Their Triple-A rotation, led by Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, could be better than some big-league rotations; Michael Ynoa is the best Latin American prospect of the decade; 2008 draftees Jemile Weeks and Rashun Dixon bring much-needed tools to an advanced group of hitters." - BaseballProspectus.com
What I meant
is that he only has a couple pitches that work well which is fine as a reliever but not as a starter.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 25, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Screw the Nationals
Apparently, the A’s were close to signing Joe Beimel for 1.7m before the Nats swooped in at 2m.
My link function isn’t working…so here is the url, its Ken Rosenthal
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9379176/Notes:-Yanks-appear-open-to-moving-Cabrera
My quick reaction: Screw the Nationals, they make an utterly pointless move in acquiring him and as a result they spoil an almost certain (albeit small) upgrade for the A’s, who might actually need it. Also, he has a cult following and I was already getting on board.
I miss Chad God
If he would rather pitch absolutely meaningless games for an extra 300K a year...
then I’m not all that displeased that he won’t be donning the Green and Gold this year.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
Beimel grew up 4 3/4 hours from Washington DC
Beimel was looking for $2-3 million. Beane should have raised his offer to $2 million. I think he might have chosen a contender over a non-contender. But I suspect he took the $300,000 more partly so he could pitch near his backyard. Beimel’s entire family voting for him was mainly responsible for him getting his bobblehead as a Dodgers…so his family is important to him.
by BillyWannabeane on Mar 26, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not try stretching out Bailey?
Just to see how he pitches with that. If he sucks, then he can go back to the ’pen. If not, then we have a starter.
I really want to see Anderson and Cahill do well, but I’d rather see a couple other lower-upside guys tried first. The Phil Hughes/Ian Kennedy model isn’t really one I think we should be following. Obviously, guys like Simmons and Mazzaro have struggled, but why not give Bailey like two starts.
And don’t say it’s too late to stretch him out…we did the same thing with Gaudin in ’07 (started stretching him out with less than a week left in ST after initially slotting him into the ’pen) and his stamina was fine once the season started.
I trust Beane’s judgment on the readiness of Anderson and Cahill, and it’s not like we have many options, but starting Bailey should at least be considered.
Bailey went 1 2/3 yesterday
[From Slusser’s article linked in previous post] Geren mentioned this morning that he might want to take two longmen in the bullpen this season.
I like the idea of two long men since we have so many question marks in the rotation. I suspect they are stretching out Bailey to see how pitches as a long man. I suspect that Outman, Gio, Gallagher, and Bailey are the long reliever candidates (with Gallagher having a shot at the rotation). Andrew Bailey (mainly) started 47 games in the minors before being shifted to the bullpen.
by BillyWannabeane on Mar 26, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions
I think Barton
deserves another shot over buck because hes been on fire since the start of spring break
1. Cabrera SS
2. Sweeney CF
3. Cust RF
4. Holliday LF
5. Giambi DH
6. Chavez/Nomar 3B
7. Suzuki C
8. Ellis 2B
9.Barton 1B
I think barton has shown a lot more confidence and the ablity to work the count, which is wgat was said to be the thing he needed to get back to because its what made him the top prospect he was in the first place. plus hes been consistant
My favorite player is whoever is hitting behind Bobby Crosby because no matter what they always look so good.
pretty much count on both Cahill and Anderson
Duchscherer didn’t last even an inning in his minor league start — he says his elbow still isn’t right.
here are some links about Duchscherer
from Slusser:
Geren is not sure what is next for Duchscherer, who already has seen Dr. Lewis Yocum about the elbow. Nothing significant turned up on the MRI, which could mean that exploratory surgery is next. That is considered a measure of last resort because it would require many weeks of rehab time even if there is no damage found.
From Urban:
Beane said he couldn’t confirm that Duchscherer would start the season on the DL, noting that it’s a decision that ultimately will be made by the team’s medical staff after more information is gathered.
He certainly sounded resigned to such a scenario, however. The A’s had been holding out hope that they’d have Duchscherer ready to throw about 70 pitches by April 10, allowing him to start in Oakland’s home opener. That assignment, Beane conceded, will now go to someone else.
that last paragraph is also from Urban's article
for some reason the quote box didn’t include it — sorry!
Thanks, putting this on front page
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Mar 26, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This is such a bummer.....ugh!
Dammit! Duke has the worst luck. Well, maybe we will get to see Cahill or Anderson at the home opener now, which would be cool, too.
Get better Duke….we need you, man!
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
No kidding, right?
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Mar 26, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard not to root for a guy like Duke.
He’s a real first class individual and he is still my favorite player on the team….
:(
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

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