Su Slu has much rotation news
by windyfelix on Mar 24, 2009 6:06 AM PDT
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1. Braden will start Opening Night. he is being placed on a schedule which puts him there-- Eveland is way off that schedule;
2. Duke might be ready by end of first week, meaning there could be only 1 spot available;
3. That spot will go to Cahill or Anderson. Edgar is Gone; no discussion of Outman.
4. Which means if Duke is not ready-- suffers a setback, for example-- we'll probably see both of the kids in the rotation.
I wish there were more depth-- in terms of more guys doing better than they are-- but this is the outcome I expected several weeks ago. So let's leave all the service time and overwork debate to the side for a while, and hope the kids are all right.
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"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Quikdrag?
What’s Quickdrag, precious?
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by Leopold Bloom on Mar 24, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I've added it.
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That is cool.
Thanks, NM!
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by Leopold Bloom on Mar 24, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
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"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
noway. That would be adblock.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Maybe
I suppose it depends on your preference. I’d rather ignore annoying ads (on someone else’s computer) and be able to navigate quickly.
That said, adblock is fantastic too.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I'm torn
On one hand I want to see the youngsters pitching as much as anyone more on the reason of interest then whether they are ready or not. Let’s face it, they are much more exciting then these non roster invites that only show they can not pitch in the bigs year after year. On the other hand I would rather let schmuckboy43 and donkey13 pitch for a few weeks if it buys us another year with the youngsters in trade. I would never understand sacrificing a full season with top prospects for a few starts from some cheap fodder. Now it goes without saying I have no idea what I am talking about but in my mind it would make sense to buy a few weeks to get the extra time down the road.
"You Went Full Retard, Man - Never Go Full Retard." --Kirk Lazarus
I'm scared and excited at the same time.
If you think the A’s are a contender and they’re neck and neck with the Angels, you could argue that a few starts with cheap fodder could cost you the division title. And a full season in Year 7 simply isn’t a very certain proposition. It’s not worth much today.
I still don’t think the A’s are going to be healthy enough or mature enough to win this year, but I’d still want my 10 best available players in the lineup every game.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Mar 24, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
100% agree WC
I think you summed up my thoughts exactly and were much more eloquent about it. Excited and scared was well said.
"You Went Full Retard, Man - Never Go Full Retard." --Kirk Lazarus
It's kind of like being 17 and going to the prom with a girl who carries a particular reputation....
myspace music
Just another reason to drink heavily
As if I needed a reason to do that at 17!
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inside scoop on rotation
I was sharing a root beer float with Billy Beane yesterday — yes, it was one float with two straws — he told me the starting rotaion he was oprdering: Braden, Galleger, Cahill, Anderson and Eveland. They are not going to rush Dush back and figures one of the starters will eliminate themselves by the time Dush is ready. I asked what Geren thought of the plan and BB cracked up at thought that Geren had any say in the matter.
By the way, there is nothing wrong with two attractive straight men sharing a rootbeer float on a warm Arizona afternoon.
So who was the third man ...
… and which straw did he use?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Mar 24, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
QOTM
think it out division.
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by Leopold Bloom on Mar 24, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he meant Geren
to each their own I guess.
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get bannister/kendrick
both pitched great games against A’s last yr, some mlb experience.
Billy is not getting anyone else
He said this 83,234,120 times this season.
That may be an exaggeration by a couple of hundred.
Actually I think you may be real close to the total of times he said that + or - 6,000,000
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
that is an absolutely atrocious idea
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
make this a DLD
Chicago. Where the Dead can Vote. Where the Voters of Tomorrow are found in the Obituaries of Today.
Somebody make one.
Jesus, please.
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by Leopold Bloom on Mar 24, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
One would suspect He has better things to do...
like maintaining His record as all-time leader in saves or something. :)
by still bills kingdom on Mar 24, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
HA! This is a better qotmtiod entry.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Mar 24, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm afraid I'm a puritan at heart, then.
SBK’s I got right away. Yours took me a minute…
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by Leopold Bloom on Mar 24, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
There must be another explanation.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Mar 24, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Has to be, right?
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by Leopold Bloom on Mar 24, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Is he in the HOF for all time SAVES ?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
there's a soccer version of that joke, that goes along the lines of
Jesus Saves!
But (fill in name of favourite striker) knocks in the rebound!
what have i got myself into this time... http://damiansthirtyyearchallenge.blogspot.com/
by alea iacta est on Mar 24, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
RONALDINHO!
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
the original version comes from Boston Bruins
circa 1971-72.
“jesus Saves.. and Esposito scores on the rebound!”
Phil esposito was the most prolific scorer on a Boston Bruin team that— a decade or more before the coming of Wayne Gretzky, broke all the offensive records. And having Number Four didn’t hurt much, either.
Don't rule out the unknown starter
Beane in the past has picked up fillers so don’t rule out a starter being waived or traded to the a’s for a minor peice. The a’s have a few extra relievers and Deforia who could be used for someones border line starter.
yes like their shopping spree
a few yrs ago
AAA depth
dominguez
dinardo
tadano
plus they had saarloos/gaudin/kennedy/halsey
not all worked out, but compared to know they have depth and its quality just unproven. i’m sure they’ll check the waiver wire and players with out of options when teams lessen their rosters
by Asfan4ever723 on Mar 24, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
When you see examined
the first thought was you hope it was not a prostate exam.
I actually thought it meant his arm was falling off.
scary headline.
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Mar 24, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Was just going to post this...
Cahill seems to be the favorite to start in the rotation on most of the fantasy sites.
Why is this?
anybody have any real insight into why cahill seems to be the favorite among fantasy sites? based on spring training results and the fact that anderson’s already pitched in AAA i’d think he has the edge. any thoughts?
I don't know if I believe it...
But a lot of analysts are thinking that Anderson’s injury (or soreness) is enough to keep him from starting out of AAA. Maybe it’s a conservative analysis based on the A’s injury history.
My sneaky attempt to turn this into a DLD:
According to ESPN.com’s Rumor Central, Nady has won the RF spot over Swish.
Link to the Yakees site saying much the same thing.
So what, you say. The A’s must reacquire him, I say. The A’s already have a glut of outfielders, you say. Eff you and your Earth logic, I say.
I really want Swish back.
I just remembered I love Eric Chavez.
I agree completely.
Can we change the title, WF?
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by Leopold Bloom on Mar 24, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
For a team that wins a lot
the Yankees do some really stupid things.
Swisher is better than Nady in every single aspect of baseball. Why the hell would Girardi (who really might be the worst manager in baseball, and one of the biggest jackasses) go with Nady?
by thejd44 on Mar 24, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Swish can't hit no more
And i can’t think of a single major league team— well, I’m sure I could come up with a couple— that is a worse fit for him right now than the A’s. First Base? Giambi, Barton, Doolittle, Carter Corner Outfield? Holliday, Cust, Buck, Cunningham. No way he comes here or should.
Ugh
Ok, first of all, Mr. Double Negative – Swisher can, in fact, hit. He was quite possibly the unluckiest hitter in baseball last year. He’s also a better player than Nady.
Second, where in my post did I say anything about Swisher coming to the A’s?
by thejd44 on Mar 24, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's replying to Joey C w/ that.
I miss the Swish too, but WF has a good point- he’d be a bit like cholesterol in the arteries in Oakland.
Bobby Crosby = ground-out triple play...
The thing is, Swisher is better than most of the people windyfelix mentioned
I’m not necessarily advocating bringing him back, but Sean Doolittle really shouldn’t be the reason why.
by thejd44 on Mar 24, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
sure he should
there’s this little thing called money— Doolittle, Buck, Cunningham, Carter, barton will all be fairly cheap for at least 2-3 more years. Swisher is not and will be only if he has no options anywhere else.
sometimes it just goes...
last 3 years OBP 865-836-742 And apparently this spring has been a disaster. He could hit…. hopefully he’ll hit again, but obviously the Yanks are dubious. And yes I was responding to the other “we want him back” post— not you.
Wait a minute
Allowing for last season’s fluke (and you haven’t argued that point), you’re basically saying Swisher can’t hit because of a 30 point drop in OPS between ‘06 and ’07 and a few spring training at bats? Seriously? I’m sorry, but a 30 point OPS drop is not a sign of “can’t hit.” His TT might be that .836, but .836 is hardly a bad player.
by thejd44 on Mar 24, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
you is leaping to conclusions, man
I just showed a trend. 2008 is the most recent and by far the most significant. obviously the Yankees are watching much more than a few spring training ABs. I don’t dismiss it as a “fluke”, necessarily.
And I’d say that some combination of Barton and Doolittle— not to mention Buck and/or Cunningham, or Carter— will be better than a declining Swisher within a year or two. So why take the salary on now? makes no sense.
You understand that Doolittle was basically awful in AA last year?
He had a sub-.700 OPS in 2007, tore up Stockton, and then went back to a sub .700 OPS in Midland.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
no, he does not realize that.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
I stand by my comment
By 2011— wherever he roams— for the A’s or somewhere else— I believe Doolittle will be a better 1Bman— overall— than Swisher.
What does that have to do with 2009, when Doolittle will be in Midland and Swisher will be 28?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
what the hell. by... 2011?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
well, i said...
they— or some combination of they— Barton, Doolittle, Buck, Cunningham, Carter— woud be better than swisher with a year or two— that means 2011, i do believe.
And as for this year, we have a left fielder, Swisher’s best outfield position. He’s not a serious CF candidate, and i do not believe we should retard Buck (and Cunningham to follow) for whatever he could produce, which is not likely to be better than Buck.. Plus there’s the minor issue of his salary, compared to all the young guys. plus we have Giambi and NoMar and barton to cover 1B.
Need any more reasons?? There is simply no room at the inn for the guy.
Buck has done a pretty good job of retarding his own progress
Look, I’ll admit that Swish being more expensive makes it more difficult to argue bringing him back, and I’ll also admit that it was a quasi-joke built largely on sentiment.
But let’s not split hairs— none of the tweener outfield prospects in the high levels of the A’s system has consistently shown that they can hit for prototypical corner OF numbers. And I’m also not keen on pinning my hopes on some 1B prospects that haven’t even smelled the major leagues yet.
Taking a more serious bent than I originally intended to, I’d jump at the chance to add Swisher—at the immediate expense of Buck and Cunningham (keep in mind Holliday is a FA after this season)—if the price was right.
I just remembered I love Eric Chavez.
Particularly if the Yankees don't care about having to eat
a chunk of the salary that seems cheap for them. Not necessarily an endorsement one way or another, but there are many ways in which salary would and should be a non-factor.
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If it's true
What are the odds on Nady keeping that job for any more than three weeks? Giardi will have his fill of Nady in less than two, I think. They may have similar power but Swisher gets on base a hell of a lot more and he’s a much better fielder.
Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!
What’s a guy have to do to make a team these days, anyhow?
Get himself ranked as the No. 1 pitching prospect in baseball? Nope. Apparently, that won’t do it.
Get himself named USA Today’s 2008 Minor League Player of the Year? Nope. That won’t, either.
Hmmm, get picked to win the rookie of the year award by every magazine in America except Better Homes and Gardens? Uh, ’fraid not.
OK, how about marching in to save the game in October that launched his team into the first World Series in franchise history? Sorry. Not quite enough.
All right, well, how ‘bout doing all that stuff and racking up a 1.08 spring ERA? Nah, unbelievably, that’s probably not going to get it done, either.
Not if the guy we’re talking about is David Price, anyway. And not if the team he’s trying to make is the Tampa Bay Rays.
The Rays haven’t quite yet said that their favorite 23-year-old left-handed phenom is about to be handed a plane ticket to Durham, the Rays’ Triple-A affiliate. Not officially, anyway.
But every indication is that that’s what’s about to happen, probably any day now. And if that isn’t a sign that the Rays obviously have way too much talent and way too much pitching, I don’t know what is.
You have to wonder how many teams in baseball would have the courage to make a decision like this.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Lets trade Crosby for whoever is blocking Price
I’d even kick in a bag of baseballs.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
heh
btw, who was traded for a stack of bats last year?
anyone remember?
Bobby Crosby = ground-out triple play...
The minor leaguer who killed himself.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
damn thats really tragic...
I thought mikev was kidding. :(
Bobby Crosby = ground-out triple play...
No it was posted a few weeks ago.
truly a sad story.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
This one is dumb
They’re in a vicious 3 way fight for the postseason. The arbitration clock issue is already gone. The guy is a stud. Their 5th starter option is hardly ideal. And if IP are everything, they could just as easily control them at the ML level as in the minors.
Who did Better Homes and Gardens pick for rookie of the year?
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This has to do with keeping Niemann, who is out of options...
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Mar 24, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
that's true...
But I think they’re getting way too cute.
Probably true
but if I were a Rays fan, I would be okay with it as long as the goal was to show teams you might be trading with that you can keep Niemann if you want to — therefore maybe upping his trade value a bit to teams that need starting pitching (Padres, Jays, Nats, etc). Then trade him as soon as you get a decent deal. Niemann has some upside, and you don’t want to just release him.
What does this mean?
I wish there were more depth— in terms of more guys doing better than they are— but this is the outcome I expected several weeks ago.
What outcome are you referring to? Because it sure as hell isn’t the rotation you predicted less than two weeks ago.
Sounds to me like Braden, Gallagher, Duke, and Eveland are going to start, and 1 of AC will get the last spot. If what you’re saying today is correct, neither of the Gonzalezes is starting. So basically, you couldn’t have been more wrong with your previous predictions.
Or did you predict this rotation before you predicted that one? if you’re going to change your predictions every week to cover all possible situations, don’t rub it in when one of your 3000 contradictory predictions turns out correct.
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by JediLeroy on Mar 24, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
please recommend this, people
of course he’ll just ignore it, but it’s still good for a laugh…
We’re down to Eveland-braden-Gallagher; the two Gonzalezes, and MAC.
I’m betting on a 2-1-2 configuration. One of the first three is either sent down (Gallagher) or dealt; one Gonzalez makes it (probably Edgar); plus Cahill and Anderson.
okay so if the rotation is eveland, braden, edgar, cahill, and anderson, with gallagher sent down or traded, you totally called it. good luck with that.
the a’s have so much depth they’re trading away starting pitchers now!
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go ahead and say it... you miss
Windytoon, er… OakFelix classics.
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what's a Gonzalez between friends??
i still got 4 of 5— including both Cahill and Anderson, it seems, partic. after Outman’s disaster tonight. A lot better than most…. And of course you don’t trade Gallagher when Gio is hurt, Duke is hurt, Anderson has forearm tightness, and everyone else is blowing up.
Laugh at me if you wish— but I was much closer to the truth than all of you MAC AAA crowd— or even those who ranked Mazzaro ahead of Anderson and cahill.
Dude
Current rotation:
Braden
Eveland
Gallagher
Cahill OR Anderson
Duke (who will be flipped into the #1 spot, I’m sure)
5 slots.
Your proposed rotation:
Braden OR Eveland OR Gallagher
Eveland OR Gallagher OR Gallagher
X Gonzalez
Anderson
Cahill
You said that only 2 of EBG would make it. Wrong. All three will. You can’t claim all three when you specifically said that only two of them would make it, with one being sent down or traded. You said a Gonzalez would make it. You were wrong. And then you said that both Cahill and Anderson would make it, which currently is not what you are saying that SuSlu is claiming. So you got 3 of 5 names (when Eveland and Braden and Gallagher were actually all locks for the rotation), and all of your predictions were wrong, and now you’re claiming that you got 4 of 5 right and that you’ve known all along that this is how it would turn out.
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dude, if you're going to waste your time on this....
then try for accuracy.
If no duke, then it is pretty obvious as of this writing that it will be Braden-Gallagher-Eveland-Cahill-Anderson. OK?? that’s 4— count ’em— out of 5. (I had Edgar and only 2 of the 3 so-called "locks") If Duke is back then there is no comparable because I— and everyone else— was assuming he would not be ready in time for the first week.
“all of your predictions are wrong”??
Wow. I predict both Cahill and Anderson— and maybe are joined by about 10% of this board with the other 90% saying neither of them, or Mazzaro first— and you are ripping me!! Pretty amusing.
Like I said, i was wrong about a Gonzalez. Time will still tell about whether when duke is back Braden-Eveland-Gallagher all stick and one of Anderson-Cahill goes back down. let’s see, OK?? And as for the “E/B/G "were actually all locks for the rotation”— do you know who basically said this was not true? And said it today?? Billy Beane, that’s who. You might have considered them locks all spring— he didn’t.
Yeah, you're right, I am wasting my time.
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Its really a shame went down
I have a good feeling about him and wanted to see him given a shot.
I miss Chad God
According to SluSlu
When we spoke to GM Billy Beane today about Bob Geren’s contract extension, he mentioned that Dallas Braden is the only starter with a spot sewn up. (He’s not counting Justin Duchscherer. Duchscherer has a spot if he’s ready the first week.) Dana Eveland, Sean Gallagher, Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill and Josh Outman are all competing for the other three to four spots, depending on Duchscherer’s health.
We can assume Eveland and Gallagher have the inside track but I’m still surprised they haven’t “sewn up” a spot.
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and this is also....
what i have been saying all spring, contrary to those who thought Eveland and gallagher were locks. Now Edgar and Outman may have pitched us into that reality, but BB has— as I and a few others have been saying— had a very open mind about this whole thing. And I would think he is certainly toying with the notion that Cahill and Anderson are superior to at least one of the holdovers and maybe two.
Do you really think Eveland and Gallagher aren't locks?
I don’t really think either has been in doubt all along.
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Not according to BB, nico
I think he’s very tempted to put cahill and Anderson in for the duration— that if they pass the first tests— he might move Eveland in a trade when Duke comes back. I’ve said that for weeks now— and this Slusser report certainly doesn’t close the door on that possibility. Gallagher seems to be in fine shape, after two strong outings.
And we’re all still guessing as to when Duke is back and how long he stays in the rotation before being shelved again.
Why would he rid his team of the depth it needs, especially when Duke's so injury prone?
Besides, it’s easy for him to keep one of the starters in AAA. What, exactly, would he trade Eveland for? Another outfielder? Another infielder? Another catcher? Relief pitching? I just don’t see Beane giving up on Eveland while his value isn’t great. What would he get in return?
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Can't believe windy is actually arguing this poing...
Gallagher, Braden and Eveland are, indeed, locks for this rotation on opening day (barring an injury, of course). Despite what BB puts out to the public, the only two questions are:
1. Will Duke be ready to pitch in the first week?
2. Who will be #4 or #5? Anderson and Cahill or Cahill or Anderson?
Anyone disagree?
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 25, 2009 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions
hahs
point
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 25, 2009 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions
haha...
past 2 AM… time for bed. :-)
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Mar 25, 2009 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Poing!
:)
It’s time for bed for me. 11:30 and I have to move tomorrow at 6 AM.
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what does 6 am mean?
i’ve never heard of that
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Here are my top 5 pitchers
First pick is a no brainer
Had him for #2 but got sent down to AAA for more seasoning
2 and 3 could go either way- 2 w/ a higher ceiling, 3 more polish
4 is on the Left( one on the right was an non roster invitee that got dropped…)
and this Vet for #5 on Minor League deal
Bobby Crosby = ground-out triple play...
I don't think our staff is ready for this season.
The staff seems to be getting hit pretty good (Maybe it is just tired arms). Looks like the MAC all will be up in July if things do not start turning around.
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