A's Sign O-Cab
by SanJoseA's on Mar 2, 2009 11:38 AM PST
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Print[Editorial Note: this just came across the newswire. San Jose A's does a nice, concise job of summarizing what I'm sure we're all thinking]
1 year deal for 4M, courtesy of Tim Brown.
This move shores up the make-up of the team (at least until the trading deadline), and the price is right (even though some lower numbers were thrown out there for a while, 4M is still pretty solid).
While some may be sentimental about Bobby Crosby and his early potential, there's not much one can say about his recent performance...it's hard to imagine him breaking into games now, and it's hard to think of any other team that wants him.
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DWNG715's post should be the one to stay and go up front ;-)
He was first, after all.
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Lets go post 3 more.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
The one by mr. pickles has the fewest comments
To the cornfield with it!
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Apologies to the one
who posted first but, well, yeah. There is such thing as overkill. Usually when I open my mouth.
I'm here to talk about the past.
This is my bad!
I saw that O-Cab thing on MLB traderumors and I immediately saw SanJoseA’s post and put it up there before the other two. Apologies to both Mr. Pickles and DWNG715…Taj takes the whole blame!
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
And I compounded it
by deleting a recommended post.
Whose idea was it to give me the keys to this thing?
I'm here to talk about the past.
I guess the only downside to that is...
…now everyone won’t get to see catfish hunter push the idea of keeping Crosby because he went 3-for-7 in February.
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I think I'd also said...
…that Cabrera is better than Crosby in the main offensive categories and while I’m not that up on all the defensive stats, someone else could compare if they wanted to but at least Cabrera’s won a couple Gold Gloves, one as recent as 2007.
For $4 million I say it’s worth a look. What, like Crosby’s done something to warrant keeping the job?
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can you undelete?
shame to lose the one with like 30 comments….
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Do you really want
to ask of that of me? Let me try. One sec. Still there, mikeA? mikeA??
I'm here to talk about the past.
Would you pls give him $10, instead?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Mar 2, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Who gives a rat's ass
who’s post is put up front? They were all essentially the same after all.
"Good or bad, I don't know. This is awesome." ~Nick Swisher after being asked if it was wise to poor beer on Lew Wolfe's head.
hmm...
I think that one of the editors/honchos/friends of Blez should have had an ‘O-Cab signs’ story writtten and ready to go, just like newspapers keep obituaries of famous people written and ready to go.
"The magical goblins who live in my shower told me that Bobby Crosby's gonna have a good year this year" - The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Mar 2, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Better than Dick in a Box??????
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
BETTER THAN MORE COWBELL?
I think not.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
woo hoo
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
anyone else notice...
crosby has looked good in first week of spring training… I’m almost positive he juiced… spent whole offseason hitting w/ big mac and holiday.
He might be excited...
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 2, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
i'm almost positive
you have no idea what you’re talking about
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
oh like no A has ever used steroids before
give me a break. Crosby looks bigger, and spent all off season w/ mcgwire….
Oh, right. That's clearly enough to claim Crosby juiced. Excellent deduction skills, counselor.
Holliday’s friends with McGwire. Holliday must be juicing too!
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juice aside....
his hitting has looked good early in spring. Granted its far too early to make anything of it, but orlando cabrera isnt exactly a gigantic upgrade especially if we’re just going to bat him 7-9.
Your attempts to defend Crosby are getting pretty weird
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hahah how so?
on a serious note, we still have to pay crosby’s contract, no? Unless someone wants to trade for him, which hasnt been seemed so far being as BB ha tried all offseason
Maybe defend wasn't the right word
But your suspicion that he’s juicing just because McGwire’s been helping him with his swing is about as ridiculous as it gets.
Cabrera doesn’t have to be a gigantic upgrade to be worth having more than Crosby. He’s better both offensively and defensively and I’d rather have him there than Crosby.
I don’t even really care what the A’s do with Crosby now, but I hope they trade him. They weren’t going to do anything with him unless they brought someone else in. Now they have.
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another juicer, no doubt...
who is actually older than he claims to be, to boot.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
What he really means is
Crosby spent the whole off season at McDonalds eating big macs and drinking orange juice. They also installed a jungle gym with a ball pit at Crosby’s home.
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.
by shooting4life on Mar 2, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
yah! party at Crosby's!
I’ll bring ‘Zippy The Pinhead’ party favors!
"The magical goblins who live in my shower told me that Bobby Crosby's gonna have a good year this year" - The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Mar 2, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
although...
cabrera adds a leadoff hittter… something we lack
he will not lead off
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
+1
nasty career obp
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Orlando Cabrera would be a terrible leadoff hitter ... (.322 career OBP)
He’ll bat at the bottom of the order
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
And Gregorio Petit sheds a tear ...
What did that guy ever do to BB?
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
not hit?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
He has a higher career OPS than Bobby Crosby or Orlando Cabrera's career high ...
albeit in a VERY limited sample size …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
jeremy brown for starting catcher!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Only a 1 year deal? Really? Is there even an optional 2nd year?
Because, IMO, giving up a draft pick isn’t really that big of a deal since Cabrera is only getting 4M. Whatever.
I can’t be the only one who realizes that we’re going to be in the EXACT same situation next year now, right?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
we would have been in this situation next year anyway, correct?
Bobby was on his way out next year. This at least gives us an upgrade for a ‘contending’ year (or so the team on paper says).
"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."
by DyeLongJustice on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Crosby will be a FA after 2009.
Maybe we can get him on a cheap incentive laden deal.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
That was my first reaction when I hear only one year...
…then I realized Crosby would be gone next year anyway, so at least that part is a moot point.
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup
If O'Cab is a type A next year like he is this year then we get two picks for him
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
AHA!!! By by CrosBiatch!!! TY BB!!
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according to who
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Probably some random ass nobody on MLBTR
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Toronto might take Crosby...
… if we offered to pay 60-70% of his salary. They have Scutaro at SS; Scoot’s really better as a utility IF/pinch-hitter. Dount we’d get anything back, but we might be able to save $1.5M – $2.0M of Crosby’s salary.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to expect that amount of exactness which the nature of the particular subject admits." - The Not Big Aristotle
by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
90-97% may be more realistic, but...
Despite the fact that he’s an atrocious hitter, Crosby still does have some value as a SS.
I don’t think it would unreasonable to ask Toronto to take on $1.5M of his salary (approx. 30%) if we are not asking for any prospects in return (i.e., if we say, “Give us that 28-year-old who can’t hit A-ball pitching”). At $1.5M for one season, even Bobby Crosby’s a deal.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to expect that amount of exactness which the nature of the particular subject admits." - The Not Big Aristotle
by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Scoot had a Hell of a year for Toronto in '08
I don’t think they’re in a rush to replace him unless they’re certain the new guy would clearly be better. Not sure that applies to Crosby.
The monster at the end of this blog.
All of a sudden
the A’s have a particularly veteran-y infield, don’t they?
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by alea iacta est on Mar 2, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions
3/4 of which happen to be rather injury prone.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
3/4?
which one isn’t?
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by alea iacta est on Mar 2, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Cabrera, one presumes
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Yup
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
i thought he missed a bunch of games in 2006?
though clearly, could be pulling that out of my arse
what have i got myself into this time... http://damiansthirtyyearchallenge.blogspot.com/
by alea iacta est on Mar 2, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Err, nm. Was thinking about a different SS we all wanted
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+1 beat me to it
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by DyeLongJustice on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Does that mean OLD?
"And sometimes, when it seems like all hope is gone, Life tosses you a special gift of a baseball game" . 7/10/08 BaseBallGirl headline
Well, the A's recent history of developing good infield position players...
…has been rather weak.
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone - the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity.
~George Gallup
so whats the lineup........
1. suzuki R
2. sweeney L
3. Holiday R
4. Giambi L
5. Chavez L
6. Cust L
7. Cabera R
8. Ellis R
9. Buck/barton L
??
My guess...
… more like this:
1. Sweeney
2. Barton/Buck
3. Holliday
4. Cust
5. Giambi
6. Suzuki
7. Chavez
8. Ellis
9. Cabrera
Could be wrong about Barton/Buck at the top, but I can’t picture Suzuki hitting leadoff…
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yes...
27 games and 112 ABs… and he was terrible in the leadoff spot: 205/258/241.
A 499 OPS. It’s not a huge sample size, but it’s enough for me to think someone else deserves a shot in the leadoff spot.
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
no way
and spell people’s names right.
i feel like ideally it would be something like this…
buck rf (better obp potential than sweeney)
cust dh
holliday lf
giambi 1b
chavez 3b
sweeney cf
ellis 2b
suzuki c
cabrera ss
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
that looks about right, but maybe put one of those three rhs at the bottom a little higher just to mix up the handedness
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
agreed
suzuki. i wouldn’t move ellis or cabrera due to concerns about bat/recovery from injury (ellis) and bad obp stats (ocab)
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
yeah, Suzuki will probably be the best of the three
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
so then
buck rf
suzuki c
holliday lf
giambi 1b
cust dh
sweeney cf
chavez 3b
ellis 2b
cabrera ss
still a run on lefties, but that’s just how the lineup is going to have to be. no reason to put guys like ellis and cabrera either 2, 5 or 6 just based on handedness i guess.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
I'd flip Holliday and Giambi
That way you get L/R/L/R/L at the beginning of the order. Plus the best hitter should really be hitting 3rd, not 4th, anyway.
black dirt live again
if chavy gets back to his old form....
(which is a big if) i’d move him to 5th, sweeney 6, ellis 7, cust 8, cabrera 9.
cust 8th?
wow
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
I can't picture us...
… putting three straight righties at the bottom of the lineup and stacking all of our lefties in the top six spots.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to expect that amount of exactness which the nature of the particular subject admits." - The Not Big Aristotle
by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
ellis
coming off an injury and cabrera with a .322 career ops…they shouldn’t be anywhere near the top. i could see kurt in the 2 hole. i agree actually with mikeA’s post
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
I think you mean OBP, not OPS
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by CarGon's Jock on Mar 2, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
i might
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
They have been playing Sweeney at leadoff last year and now in the spring.
I doubt that Cust will bat second even though most here agree he should.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
you're not wrong
i along with others think buck has a better chance at the higher obp though. i don’t think cust will hit second either but i wouldn’t mind it.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Slusser says Thursday
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 2, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
nice to have some stability at SS
i’m assuming nomar may retire
nope
olney reports he is signing too to take hannahan’s spot…and dennys reyes as well to presumably take whoever loses out between blevins and outman/gio
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Well
I don’t think Olney is saying it’s a done deal like you suggest. Ditto on Reyes. Although I do think both will sign so long as the dollars check out.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 2, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
check the link below
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
that doesnt say its a done deal either
it says we are negotiating
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3946501
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
it got old
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by alea iacta est on Mar 2, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
it can wait a year
it god put on hold when the a’s traded for holliday.
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The Youth Movement
…was two years away anyway. The youth movement doesn’t come into its own til Cahill, Anderson, Mazzarro and perhaps Simmons are into their second years. At that point Cunningham, Cardenas and Carter should be ready as well.
The A's don't have a young SS worth a damn that's projected to be ready in '09
The monster at the end of this blog.
Perhaps..
We will get that SS prospect when / if Holiday gets traded at the deadline? Or with the Comp picks we get for the FA’s after this year.
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by rollie_fingers_moustache on Mar 2, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Your trade scenario is a possibility
But I’m thinking the plan to use 2010 draft picks to find a major league SS in 2009 is going to fail.
The monster at the end of this blog.
free agent economy
Free agent salaries are down so far this offseason that we’re getting something close to the player’s actual values.
A's or retirement
Somehow this isn’t how I saw the end of Nomar’s career playing out. I suspect he would say the same.
huh?
Crosby hit a home run in his first spring at bat, a towering drive off Milwaukee’s Manny Parra. He’s hit safely in his first three starts and was batting .429 through Sunday
isn’t he talking about the line drive that barely cleared the fence and fooled Robert Buan into thinking it was a gapper?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Yeah, but it was a 520 foot fence :D
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Wouldn't Nomar replace Crosby
as the infielder sub? This must portend a Crosby/salary dump trade.
Now if there is only another Joey Devine at the end of that rainbow…
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by franks a lot on Mar 2, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Presumably there will be two infielder subs ...
What would have been Hannahan and likely either Pennington or Petit …
And is now Crosby and one of those three …
And could become Crosby and Nomar …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
AWESOME! Love!
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
Any chance we keep Crosby as backup infielder?
I’m sure he can play all the positions well enough. He can probably hit better than Hannahan or Pennington or whoever else. He’s expensive, sure, but unless we can Kotsay him to some team, his salary will pretty much be lost no matter what.
Crosby may move to 2nd until Ellis is ok to play or he could be the backup for 2B and SS
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Okay, so are the A's better off with Cabrera for 1/$4m than they would have been with Furcal at 3/$30 (IIRC)?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Well, yeah, if they're concerned about keeping some options more open
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Yes
If for no other reason than Cabrera’s a bargain at $4M, whereas Furcal would have getting basically exactly what he deserved at $10M per year.
If the question is: Are the A’s better with O-Cab or Furcal, I’d say Furcal.
But, taking the contracts into account, I’d take O-Cab any day of the week.
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Not just $$, though, injuries, as well
With Chavez/Furcal/Ellis/Barton, everyone on the infield is injury-prone — you’d have guys at 3B, SS and 2B who all suffered nearly career-ending injuries.
So to spend so much less for a guy who’s been more durable (though not as good a hitter) seems like an excellent outcome, to me.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
As long as that week is in 2009
Come 2010, your options will have changed.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Maybe true...
… unless Furcal’s back continues to give him problems, in which case Furcal will look like Jason Schmidt Part Deux for the Dodgers: a high-priced flop who never plays.
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
nomar can now wander off into the sunset
WELCOME TO OAKALND, O-CAB!!!
this is gonna be a fun year
i was wrong to do that stuff
nomar fills a very different need from orlando cabrera.
I would not confuse the two.
Save Rajai Davis
Nomar Backs up 3B and 1B, not really SS.
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and we could use the backup at 3rd
if its between us and retirement, he will probably come cheap.
i was wrong to do that stuff
Not a big Cabrera fan at all
but it’s hard to complain too much at one year and four million. He will be a minor upgrade over Crosby.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
My hamster is a minor upgrade over Crosby
And he is cross-eyed!
I dream(t) of Fremont and rainbows
by OptimistPrime on Mar 2, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
O-Cab, NoMar, NoBoCro
Spring hopes eternal, and Hope springs eternal….
Every spring we heard the same things…Chavez will be healthy and have a great year, Harden will be healthy and have a great year, this will be the year Crosby breaks out….Ah, the eternal hope of spring.
I for one am ecstatic that BoCro is no longer our primary shortstop. I don’t care if he spent the winter sitting on Santa’s lap and took batting practice with Roy Hobbs. It ain’t gonna happen. YAY for O-Cab.
NoMar for backup to Chavez works for me! Bring it!
I dream(t) of Fremont and rainbows
So as long as Crosby is still on the team,
and IF he tears it up this spring, and they A’s can’t get rid of him, is there any chance at all he beats out Cabrera for the job?
Ellis for President
Well, he's making more money than Cabrera
On the other hand, I don’t think Cabrera can be traded until mid-year since he was signed as a free agent. If Croz tore it up, the A’s would likely trade him while his value was high (er than a bag of baseballs).
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
it is so funny that Crosby making more money than his replacement
funny in a sad kind of way/
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
More overslot money to be spent post-2nd round?
Or just saved for the following draft when the A’s receive compensation draft picks for Holliday and (healthy FA prayer) Duke?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
If Crosby ends up doing better than Cabrera
AN should be closed for 1 year
Clear its radiance shine...
If Crosby ends up doing better than Cabrera
I will eat a goat
*apology to Nico
I dream(t) of Fremont and rainbows
by OptimistPrime on Mar 2, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
If that's the case, then good for him
If he’d played better here prior to now, we wouldn’t even be having a discussion that included names like Furcal or Cabrera.
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Crosby's numbers will crush NO-cabs
or, No-Cabs as I like to call him.
I just don’t get it – nobody was dying to sign him; why not see what we’ve got in Crosby this go around (which, albeit small sample size, looks pretty good), and if it doesn’t look good, THEN sign Cabrera.
While disappointed in what Crosby’s done lately, I just got a feeling on this – he’s going to have a great year, and Cabrera will look like a really bad move after the Sox nab someone in the draft that ends up being a star. Ugh. I know – Crosby’s not popular, but I’m telling ya – he’s going to be big this year. If he gets traded to Toronto, look out.
No-Cab.No-Cab.No-Cab. no no no no.
"He's pretty nasty," Gardenhire said. "The last pitch to Harris, we went and watched it, it's on the black. It cut the outside corner of the plate, the tip of it, and that's pretty nasty."
(Ron Gardenhire on Brad Ziegler)
by catfish hunter on Mar 2, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Calling "this go round" a small sample size
is like calling a temperature of 1 Kelvin “chilly.”
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Last Year
I had this feeling that Crosby was going to have a big year.. He played 140 games and sucked.
So this year I’ve been thinking “This Year”.. and I was against signing Cabrera, pretty much because I like Bobby Crosby, and I want him to have a big year.
But now I’m fine with it. we have a shortstop who is better than what Crosby has been. I hope he moves on, I hope he has his Big Year. But it’s time for a change, he had his chance and he didn’t perform well enough to keep his job. It will be fun to see who Beane goes after for 2010’s SS.
Ellis for President
goats
Best Goat story ever (not for the faint of heart)
More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 2, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
does it matter?
at least cabrera has shown durabillity unlike crosby
and even if crosby had a better season, he’d bolt for more money after yrs of suckage
by Asfan4ever723 on Mar 2, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
It does matter
Even if Crosby would have had an amazing year with us, he wouldnt have gotten an extension or anything.
Clear its radiance shine...
I'm in the Minority Here ...
… but why?
Yes, one year at $4 million is a great deal, but is Cabrera really an upgrade over Crosby?
Cabrera’s career stats: OBP .322; SLG .399
Crosby’s career stats: OBP .306; SLG .380
Cabrera is 34 and Crosby is 29. Isn’t it reasonable to expect Crosby to improve slightly after his off season work?
Plus, the A’s have to pay Crosby any way, so they are now paying $9.5 million to get average production out of the shortstop position.
I think that $4 million could be better spent elsewhere.
Umm, I will take the yes option
607, 638, 661 number of at bats last three years for OCab
358, 349, 556 number of at bats last three years for BoCro
I dream(t) of Fremont and rainbows
by OptimistPrime on Mar 2, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yes!
I’ve been pullin’ for Bubba Corsby ever since I saw him throw a shot-put like a knuckleball and brained ’lil old Mrs. Cheevers at the Newton County fair!
"The magical goblins who live in my shower told me that Bobby Crosby's gonna have a good year this year" - The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Mar 2, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
That is a small but rather important fact
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paging brian sabean
be h appy they’re not paying cabrera his previous asking price of 9/10mill or renteria money
by Asfan4ever723 on Mar 2, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Crosby's career stats include the period when he wasn't terrible at baseball
which ended in roughly August of 2005.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
most projects
put crosby around a .670 OPS, cabrera with around .700. I think the bigger difference is in their fielding.
Projections overestimate Crosby because they keep assuming a regression in his BABIP
Hitters with chronically low BABIP are consistently overrated by projection systems. (Hello, Dan Johnson…)
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
(Hello, 2009 Jason Giambi?)
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
He might have enough track record to get around that issue
Oliver is the only projection system to project Giambi’s BABIP over .263. So I’d be inclined to disbelieve Oliver’s projection of an 890 OPS, but not Marcel’s projection of an .830, which is roughly league average production for a DH or a bad defensive 1B.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
oliver?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
It's a variant on Marcel that, among other things, includes minor league stats
I’m assuming that the name is, like Marcel, some obscure pun which has to be explained to 99% of the populace.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Everyone watched Friends back in the day ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
no
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Everyone except Bhaskar watched friends back in the day ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
no
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Everyone except Bhaskar and mikeA watched friends back in the day ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
The one time I remember watching was about 5 minutes in October of 2003,
and the female half of the dorm had the tv reserved, and I and some others had a different idea about what should be on…
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
also no...
white yuppies piss me off…
That’s why I’ve never been to a Giants game.
"The magical goblins who live in my shower told me that Bobby Crosby's gonna have a good year this year" - The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Mar 2, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't know it was okay to be racist here.
Oh wait, you said white
nevermind.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
It's okay if it's only directed at people who conform to his sterotypes ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
You should have settled down and watched it
with the female half of the dorm. It’s a win-win situation.
Eh ... it's half an hour ...
at typical playoff pace you’d miss, what? three pitches?
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Friends was OK for a while
It was really OK when it made my girlfriend at the time all giddy. Giddy girlfriend leads to happy boyfriend. She loved the Ross/Rachel angle.
Well, the first time around anyways.
The monster at the end of this blog.
So you were seeing my girlfriend at the same time?
Considering how things ended between her and I, I’m not surprised.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Hmm ... that went pretty well ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
I stopped sleeping with her 9 years ago, why haven't you moved on?
Are you slow or do you just like to share?
The monster at the end of this blog.
addicted to Friends re-runs
the Ross/Rachel angle was so 6 years ago. I’m onto psychoanalyzing the Ross/Marcel angle
Save Rajai Davis
Everyone except Bhaskar, mikeA and Flashfire watched friends back in the day ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Quit padding the site's hit total with such meaningless tripe
Try perch.
The monster at the end of this blog.
+1
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.
by shooting4life on Mar 2, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
No
Also, even if you did, you still have to put the puzzle pieces of the joke together, which is the linguistic equivalent of factoring the products of large prime numbers.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I snickered in very mild amusement when I read the explanation of Marcel's name ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
I watched friends Devo
and still enjoy the ocasional rerun, I think it is a funny show.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
Yeah, he is ...
Crosby’s career stats are buoyed by his relatively strong first two seasons — he has been much worse over the last three.
Crosby has gotten worse, not better, over the course of his career and any minor improvements in offense would most likely be offset by continuing deterioration of his defense with age.
Crosby is the worst player on the team (that they expected regular PT from) and it’s not even close. His salary is a sunk cost … it’s a relatively minor upgrade, but it’s the biggest upgrade the team could make at this point, short of signing Manny or something ridiculous like that …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
taste the happy
i hope the a’s hold on to crosby if no team is willing to take his salary, start o-cab at SS and ellis at 2b, move o-cab to 2b and play crosby at SS when ellis needs a day off.
now beane just needs to sign nomar and dennys reyes and mission accomplished
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Why sign Nomar if you've got Crosby on the bench?
Unless you expect both Ellis and Chavez to spend a lot of time on the bench this year.
The monster at the end of this blog.
i expect they will both need plenty of days off, even if they somehow manage to stay healthy
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
But if you're talking straight days off (non-injury related days, I mean)
Then couldn’t you stagger when you sent Chavez and Ellis to the bench?
The monster at the end of this blog.
i expect they will both miss plenty of games either on the DL or not playing for 3-6 games at a time.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Meh, I'm tired of Crosby
I’d let Pennington or Petit stick around as the back-up back-up infielder.
Not that I’m anywhere close to objective in this case.
The monster at the end of this blog.
well, they will both still be with the organization
i’d rather have some depth than possibly have pennington, petit, or hannahan suddenly starting 40 games after an injury or two.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
i think the bench should be crosby, nomar, rajai, bowen.
pennington, petit, barton and hannahan in AAA.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Because Nomar can hit lefties and Crosby can't hit anything
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
You misunderstand
Go ahead and sign Nomar… why keep Crosby at all?
The monster at the end of this blog.
because he's a better backup SS than pennington or petit?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
And if O-Cab were a major injury risk I could almost see that
Cabrera plays SS, Nomar covers 3B if Chavez misses time, maybe covers some 2B as well. Pennington can also play at 2B if necessary.
Petit gets no love, period.
The monster at the end of this blog.
ellis, chavez, nomar, and giambi are all serious injury risks, see comment above about depth.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
right, but he’s one more player in the mix.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
So what?
He had problems sharing last year, and at 29 he’s got virtually zero projection left in him. If Chavez, Ellis and Giambi all miss huge, gaping chunks of time then I don’t Crosby coming on as our savior. It’ll be another lost year, in which case I’d rather the kids play to see what they’ve got.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Excellent point about the amount of time the IF misses, grover
Although I know that they’ll all need regular time off, I hadn’t really started thinking of that in such specific terms looking forward to this year — what is the breaking point for the A’s WRT those guys’ DL time?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I think the over/under is the 500th time someone says...
WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!
The monster at the end of this blog.
So you'll be ready to pack it in by, say, March 24th or so? ;)
I’ve been thinking of 140 games each as the best case for those 3 — I think if they miss a total of 60 more among the three of them (average 120 each) then we’re in deep, deep do-do.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
It is a longer than normal ST...
Sure, 140 game threshold sounds fine with me.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Is he? Is he really?
He’s an inferior defender and an inferior base runner (which is more of a consideration for backups) and only a marginally better hitter (if that) … I think it would probably make a lot of sense to have an offense oriented backup infielder (Nomar) paired with a more traditional, speedy gloveman (not Crosby) …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
I don't think he's an inferior defender
and he’s pretty clearly a better hitter. And the baserunning would be a tiny tiny difference too as Crosby is a good baserunner.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
I think Crosby's defense is dependent on who's judging it
The defensive metrics are inconclusive. As for being a better hitter… he’s got more power than Pennington or Petit but I’m not sure he’d post a higher OBP than Pennington.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Pennington would probably have a better obp, but he has absolutely no power,
and I have trouble believing he’ll keep walking so much in mlb given that he poses no threat.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Most rating systems say he fell off significantly last season ...
He used to be above average, he was below average last year …
I’m not convinced he’s that much better of a hitter … more power, yes, overall … eh, the difference is likely fairly minimal …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
I don't think P or P figure to be average defenders next year
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
the bench already has rajai davis.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
And the starting lineup has Jason Giambi and Jack Cust ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Is there an advantage to be gained by releasing him?
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Roster spot
Message to the troops that production is expected.
My happiness.
All worthy goals in my book.
The monster at the end of this blog.
so none
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
You're going to need roster spots if you want to see any of the MAC
There’s also very little reason to not see what Pennington or maybe even Petit can offer from the bench. Crosby wasn’t happy with a bench role last year, I doubt he’s in a happy place now.
The monster at the end of this blog.
wtf?
why would the a’s need a roster spot for any of the MAC unless one of the pitchers in the rotation was on the DL, freeing up a roster spot?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Only if said pitcher was placed on the 60-Day DL
Could we NOT be so pessimistic about the A’s medical staff at this point of the year?
The monster at the end of this blog.
The A's still have plenty of waiver bait on the 40-man roster
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Yes, they do
The difference between Gray, Webb and Herrera vs. Crosby is the younger guys have yet to actually fail as big league ballplayers.
The monster at the end of this blog.
or even prove they should be big league ballplayers.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
That's basically irrelevant
I mean, I haven’t failed as a big league ballplayer, either. Would you suggest they release Crosby and sign me?
Also, there’s a not-implausible chance that Crosby could be a Type B free agent next season.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
But a completely implausible chance (grammar be damned)
that the A’s offer him arbitration …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Shrug
Worst case scenario, they’re back in the same situation as this year, except they can cut him in spring training and save 83% of the salary dollars.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Has that ever actually happened?
I know you talk about that possibility all the time, but it seems like it would actually have ever happened if it were actually possible …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Players accept arbitration so rarely that the sample size is close to zero
I’m not aware of it ever happening, but the only three players to take arb the last two seasons are a backup catcher and two relief pitchers, so…
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Players used to accept arbitration far more often ...
to the tune of several dozen a season (though most would then settle before reach hearings start) … and a lot more would, except teams don’t offer arbitration to the kind of marginal players that this would help them with …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
I've seen you in person
I’m pretty sure the scouts already stamped “NP” on your report.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I think PT would infuriate most of the clubhouse (maybe not all his fault but still)
Put a milo on him :)
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Whoa.
This was expected but unexpected…I reloaded the main page after not looking at it for about an hour and blam. O-Cab.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
what does our win total project to now?
"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."
With OCab instead of BC?
More!
I dream(t) of Fremont and rainbows
by OptimistPrime on Mar 2, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
well, if our rotation actually holds up
I’m pretty sure we’d be at least tied as the division favorite. Of course, our rotation and our injuries are always a big if lately.
"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."
by DyeLongJustice on Mar 2, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I love how some people are starting to have doubts
and are actually wondering if getting Cabrera was worth it, I kind of sensed that AN was starting to give Crosby a little chance
Clear its radiance shine...
Dam' Good Thing OCab doesn't read the New York Daily News.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
This stinks:
Crosby has been doing better, is in a contract year, and I picked him for AL MVP… -Gammons
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 2, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions
In all seriousness:
We just cost ourselves a first rounder and 5 million to sign a player that is barely, is at all, better than Crosby.
Bobby must have been hitting on Little Bean this off-season, because this make ZERO sense to me.
Furcal, YES, Cabrera? Give me a break.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 2, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions
Big deal
The A’s will get two if they keep Holliday the whole season, presuming he moves on.
It’s not like the A’s have trouble not having enough draft picks most years.
There is no question Cabrera is better than Crosby, though. I’d also rather take a shot on Cabrera at 1/4 instead of Furcal at 3/30.
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Barely better:
Barely…
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 2, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Second rounder, not first
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Crosby is the 5 million...Only a second rounder? That's better.
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 2, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the A's' record put them high enough in the draft for the pick to be protected
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
next season (if they offer arby)
they’ll probably get picks from giambi, holliday, springer, cabrera, duke
plus the willingness to go over slot now, losing a 2nd rd pick isnt terrible
by Asfan4ever723 on Mar 2, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
NIce take: I agree
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 2, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Springer's retiring
Giambi might be retiring too, if the A’s don’t pick up his option, and even if not, he almost certainly won’t be offered arbitration.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Really?
Over the last 3 years, Cabrera has been worth on average, almost 3 wins more than Crosby.
Its a second round pick (as we draft in the first half of the first round) and a pick that we stand to recoup if Cabrera doesn’t fall off a cliff this year. Thats pretty unlikely considering unlike Crosby (or Furcal) he’s actually been able to stay on the field in years past.
This move has very little downside and is a clear improvement for this year.
Cabrera's not great ...
but he’s a clear upgrade …
It’s $4m, not $5m and its a second round pick (probably in the neighborhood of #60), not a first …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
So Crosby to...
the Blue Jays. A’s pay his salary and get Brad Emaus in return (sickels c level prospect, 2b RH).
myspace music
nah... I want Scutaro back!
"The magical goblins who live in my shower told me that Bobby Crosby's gonna have a good year this year" - The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Mar 2, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
HEY GUESS WHAT
Cabreras numbers at the Coliseum suck
.265 OBP .315 SLG in 137 ABs.
This numbers remind me of a SS that started for us last year
Clear its radiance shine...
Nice sample size
That’s just over a month’s worth of games in Cabrera’s career. Not the same as someone who’d be playing there for half a season.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
Still you need to be concerned
The numbers are terrible, and we are a pitchers friendly park, specially compared to Chicago
Clear its radiance shine...
Why am I the only one worried here
Someone tell me a good reason of why this signing is a significant upgrade
Clear its radiance shine...
What's more significant in that performance is who the pitchers have been
Against the A’s, over his career, there’s a good chance that those ABs were against the Big 3, a pretty good BP, and an assortment of effective 4 and 5 starters.
His performance at the Coliseum isn’t a basis for evaluating this deal, IMHO.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
good point about big 3
would be curious to know the answer to that. though really i dont care, as I agree with your 2nd point
Save Rajai Davis
Don't think the Big 3
He came over to the AL for the first time in the second half of ’04, the last year of the Big 3.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
A significant upgrade?
Probably not, but an upgrade nonetheless. Probably enough of an upgrade to counter the runs that Abreu added to the Angels.
by CapgrasDelusion on Mar 2, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
If we beat the Angels by 1 game
I will buy the Home and Away Cabrera Jersey.
I promise this to myself
Clear its radiance shine...
Probably just a marginal upgrade
But the A’s are in a position vs. the Angels where a marginal upgrade might be enough to put them over the top.
The monster at the end of this blog.
What?
He doesn’t magically become a worse hitter just because of the move to the Coliseum. Sure, his raw numbers will come down but park adjusted numbers are what matter. The Coliseum is going to depress the run scoring environment for opponents as well so Cabrera’s offensive contributions will be the same as they would be anywhere else, even if they result in lower raw numbers.
What I'm saying is
compare his raw numbers with Crosby ones and they’re not that different
Clear its radiance shine...
Why would you want to do that?
Context (park adjustment) is a vital part of evaluating any player fairly.
Neither player is an elite hitter. However, Cabrera value at the plate has been consistently about a win better than Crosby’s.
Furthermore, While Crosby has never shown anything more than league average defense at SS Cabrera 10-15 runs above average.
Thanks
While Crosby has never shown anything more than league average defense at SS Cabrera 10-15 runs above average.
That’s what I wanted to know
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Perfect
so it was 4 million and a 2nd round pick for a projection of 2 more wins, that does make some sense
Now I would like to see what NSJ thinks about this, I remember him saying that Cabrera was a negative presence in the locker room
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other considerations from a commenter at Fangraphs:
1) the A’s have the option of trading Crosby for one or more of cash/roster-spot/younger filler. that in itself could equal the value of the 2nd round pick.
2) the A’s can offer OCab arbitration next year, meaning they will hold onto him longer or (more likely) get picks back.
3) if the A’s keep BoCro as backup infield he is a slight upgrade over the other backup options
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that would be AN's notsellingjeans
him and myself are the two commenters on the deal there so far, I’d expect more to chime in in a bit.
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If the A's can dump $1.5-2M of Crosby's salary with impunity, that would be well worth losing the draft pick
A typical second-round pick is only worth about $1 million in surplus value.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Why do I need to be concerned by numbers that have no meaning?
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Is Cabrera
the guarenteed starter going in? is it possible that there is still an open competition for the job between cabrera and crosby?
The World will explode
when the A’s sign a Free Agent to compete against someone in the roster
Clear its radiance shine...
umm... dude...
the world IS exploding… it’s just happening so slowly that we’re able to convince ourselves it’s not happening.
"The magical goblins who live in my shower told me that Bobby Crosby's gonna have a good year this year" - The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Mar 2, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
do either
crosby or cabrera have experience at 2b? i’m still bearish on ellis’ health.
cabrera does
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Grab some pine Bobby!
#1. At the age of 29 the word “potential” can no longer be given
#2. No longer will I despise a change ups being pulled off and missed over the outside of the plate
#3. Yet another thing to look forward to this year… and yes I hope we sign Nomar too!
- I think Bobby will be able to do really well on another baseball team, he just has too many head issues here in Oakland.
Your 2008 East Bay Athletic Rivercats of the greater Fremont Area!
The only other team Crosby will be good on is a seniors soft ball team.
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.
by shooting4life on Mar 2, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm curious ...
what happens if you plug in Nomar for Hannahan?
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Virtually the same
Hannahan is a strong defender. Of course, Nomar is still probably a better option because of his handedness. Nomar’s projected wOBA, going off CHONE, is .330; I bumped it to .340, assuming a platoon role, and it added about 1/4 of a win.
by CapgrasDelusion on Mar 2, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Suggests I'm close to right when I say he's worth $1 million but not much more than that
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I'll be here laughing
when we’re tired of Cabrera and Crosby is playing a full season with an OPS above .700
I might be the only one in AN that thinks Crosby was a better option this year than Cabrera.
Flame on
Clear its radiance shine...
It's within the realm of possibility
But betting against the significantly more likely outcome is a fool’s game
plz adjust for park
Crosby’s OPS is almost certainly going to go up even if his skills just held constant because he’s getting out of one of if not the most run-depressing park in the league.
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I need to stop thinking
as if Im paying the 4 million.
Cabrera is small upgrade over Crosby and that should help the team a little.
Just think like a fan and be happy we’re a little more competitive
and by little I mean almost nothing
Clear its radiance shine...
No need to flame
It sounds like you’re just trying to be a countering voice to those who are pleased with the move.
Crosby has never shown anything consistently good enough to justify sticking with him as the starting SS.
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you won't be alone
just saying it again – Crosby a better option than No-Cab. Ugh. feeling sick.
"He's pretty nasty," Gardenhire said. "The last pitch to Harris, we went and watched it, it's on the black. It cut the outside corner of the plate, the tip of it, and that's pretty nasty."
(Ron Gardenhire on Brad Ziegler)
by catfish hunter on Mar 2, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Let it hereby be said
I never thought I’d see the day when someone actually said a move that will likely lead to Crosby being gone actually makes someone sick.
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What if the move was to kill and eat Crosby?
I could see myself getting pretty sick over that. Unless I had some chipotle Tabasco or something.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
Tapatio.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Cock sauce
What, you were thinking of something else?
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Bobby can read...
so it’s not like he didn’t know this was about to happen. And I can’t expect Beane et al to keep him posted with negotiation updates.
Why? The A's don't have an obligation to tell him about a signing first.
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Good news
I can’t help but get more excited about this team every day. Crosby has been a bust and I’m glad to see the A’s realize this fact and move on.
From Halo Heavan:
“With or without Cabrera, Joakland is at best a 5 games below .500 team, but go ahead and overachieve, maybe even sell 10,000 extra tickets to a bobblehead game you scrappy Brett-Favre-Colored walk-takers.”
Man they are haters!
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Go easy on them
That is what passes for penetrating analysis over at that toxic waste dump (or should I say, rat hole).
"Warm Springs Infernal" - FSU, 2/6/09 DLD
They can say what the want
But it doesn’t change the fact they the Angels are also a team that is not dramatically above .500 talent wise.
That blog is an embarrassment to SBN
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
For every Lookout Landing and Lone Star Ball
there’s a Halo’s Heaven and Bleed Cubbie Blue :(
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by iamawesomer on Mar 2, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LoL. Rec'd!
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
67MARQUEZ and saint are trying their best to get some adults into that place
It’s going to take time and energy to get people to stop with the “STFU, you phukkin faget” stuff.
"Warm Springs Infernal" - FSU, 2/6/09 DLD
They need to go after
the posters on the AOL message board. Those guys are hard core, and with a little help could make the SBN blog really special. I used to visit a while back, and they’re really knowledgeable, and well spoken.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
Here's the link,
in case that’s a possibility…
Oakland Raider AOL Message Board
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
Fitting that he can't even spell "assassin" right.
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Is it really spelled wrong?
I think perhaps the first three letters of the username are supposed to be a description of the author.
"Some people have asked me whether or not Rickey Henderson belonged in the Hall of Fame. I've replied "if you could somehow split him in two, you'd have two Hall of Famers"" - Author Bill James in The Bill James Handbook (2008)
by rollie_fingers_moustache on Mar 2, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
I see no hate there. Just some good-natured, humorous smack talk by a fan of our rival team. Nothing wrong with that.
In fact, I’m inspired to update my sig line.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers."
I'm actually a bit surprised
I thought at this point they were going to go with Crosby…and I didn’t think they would pay $4 million to Cabrera…
Time for me to concede.
I am one of those who have tried to stay excited about Crosby. I was really hoping he would have a great year, and was chastised (although very humanely) here on AN.(I love you guys.) Crosby is done in Oakland, obviously. Let’s go O-Cab!
NOOOooooooooooo
bad very bad – booooo o-cab
i’m contented to believe that bobby will take over this year, thus proving o-cab to just be an insurance policy (but i know this is probably the end of bobby)
MJP - Go A's - give Bobby one more year
Luckily for all of you
I just don’t have the energy to make a Farewell Bobby Crosby Picspam Fanpost.
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
any idea
what cabrera’s arbitration cost would be for next year? would it be around 4 million again? If so, it’ll be nice to get a draft pick out of him – since he’ll still probably be a type A or B next year.
My take
Cabrera was a definite A’s killer when he as on the Angels. If he can still hit .280 then he is a huge upgrade over Crosby’s .230+ and CLUTCH hitting is a very important stat – hitting with runners on base – something the As haven’t done the past few years. Not just in scoring position but moving runners around the bases.
I think Cros will be kept on and trained to play 3rd for when Glass Eric takes another trip to the dl. But I’d love to see Nomar be that guy. Unfortunately Crosby’s low value is about zero now.
I miss Eric Plunk
YES
on batting average and clutch. also grit. bocro had negative grit. ocab oozes grit.
Save Rajai Davis
He can't be gritty, he's a minority...
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
a very important stat, yes,
but, alas, not a repeatable one.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
And I was just getting sucked it.
I was just selling myself on the Crosby trained with McGuire and Holiday story.
What I suppose can’t be measured is the benefit of having stability at the position. It must be frustrating coming to the park not knowing which infield position you will be playing or even if you are going to be playing. At least with O-Cab there is that intangible improvement. Other than that the offensive numbers aren’t too much to get excited about. The bump in defense is nice though.
"Some people have asked me whether or not Rickey Henderson belonged in the Hall of Fame. I've replied "if you could somehow split him in two, you'd have two Hall of Famers"" - Author Bill James in The Bill James Handbook (2008)
by rollie_fingers_moustache on Mar 2, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions
Here we go
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
McGwire
Holliday
Holliday
Holliday
Holliday
Holliday
Holliday
Holliday
Holliday
Holliday
Holliday
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Some guy actually tried to talk to me about "McQuire" today
I think that’s reason enough to stop speaking to him, right?
A's Strategy 2009: "Whoever is not hurt plays" - Syphon, 11/10/08
Or at least stop inguiring about what he thinks
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wow...
“sucked in” is what I meant of course. That was an embarassing typo.
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by rollie_fingers_moustache on Mar 2, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions
task for somebody motivated and curious:
how good of a base runner is Cabrera? how does he compare to Crosby? 1st to 3rd, CS, etc. i know somebody has these stats
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Baseball Prospectus
Has a stat called Equivalent Base Running Runs, which they say “[m]easures the number of runs contributed by a player’s advancement on the bases, above what would be expected based on the number and quality of the baserunning opportunities with which the player is presented, park-adjusted and based on a multi-year run expectancy table.”
Cabrera’s EqBRR’s over the last three years have been 9.0, 4.7, 2.7.
Crosby’s EqBRR over the last three years have been 0.8, 1.9, 2.9.
Based on that (take it for what it’s worth), O-Cab is probably not any better at baserunning that Croz.
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I would draw a different conclusion from that.....
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
And that would be...
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Cabrera is a better baserunner
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
OK... we can agree to disagree
Crosby’s EqBRR number is probably low in 2006 due to injuries (I assume EqBRR, like VORP, is higher for players with more playing time).
After that, we’re left with Crosby’s 2007 and 2008 numbers, which average out to about 2.4 runs above average. Cabrera may be slightly better than that, but the difference is probably negligible; maybe a run or two a season, or 0.1 or 0.2 wins per season. We could argue about this, but it’s not worth the time.
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
ok, I agree that's it's probably a run or two a season, which is not a big deal at all
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Ahh... closure
Good stuff.
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Umm ... that's an odd conclusion ...
9+4.7+2.7
16.4
.8+1.9+2.9
4.6
11.8 runs over 3 years or 4 runs a year is nearly half a win from base running … that’s a pretty big deal …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Trends more important than averages...
… especially when taking O-Cab’s trend may be directly related to his age (his baserunning seems to be getting worse each year as he ages) and Crosby’s trend may be related to his increased playing time (Crosby’s low 2006 EqBRR number is likely due to the fact that he only played half of the season). I’ll concede that O-Cab may be worth a 1/10th or 2/10ths of a win over Crosby on the bases (see my comment above)… not a very big deal.
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree ...
base running is a SSS kind of stat … a weighted average would probably be best …
Though that would ultimately get to the same general conclusion … maybe 2 runs per year …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
What's SSS?
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Small Sample Size ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
small sample size
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Ah yes...
… the old Sucky Shortstop Stat. Weighted averages are better for those.
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by Uncle Charlie on Mar 2, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Excellent SB/CS ratio for his career, but not particularly good last year
Total baserunning:
2006:9.0
2007:4.7
2008: 2.7
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Bill James Handbook
Crosby was a 7 runner (6 as a Base Runner/+1 SB)
Cabrera was at 2 (-5 BR/7 SB)
Not sure where the problem was
The monster at the end of this blog.
A's SS of the future...
Ivan DeJeus Jr. broke his leg on a play at-the-plate and will probably miss the entire season
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Mar 2, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions
Nah, he's only a True Athletic
if he broke his leg while grounding into a double play, while forgetting to go back and touch the bag AND complaining that interference was not called, and forgetting to slide.
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And then falling down the dugout steps
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
After eating at Appleby's
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Before which he was washing his motorcycle
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
No, thats Giants.
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I know
But I couldn’t think of any more freak A’s injuries
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 2, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
While running into Bobby Crosby
come on. you didn’t even try.
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Damnit
I feel so ashamed.
I predict someone will get a cracked rib from being the recipient of a Heimlich Maneuver after choking on a thin mint Girl Scout cookie.
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by Helloooo 1st on Mar 4, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Well done Billy!
Over the last 3 years, Crosby has been the 42nd, 47th, and 39th best offensive SS according to VORP (Value Over Replacement Player). Cabrera has been the 16th, 10th, and 13th best offensive SS. While Crosby has put up numbers worthy of a mediocre backup SS, Cabrera has been an above average starting SS. Over the last 3 years, he has been the 10th best offensive SS…and his 2-time Gold Glove defense may move him up a notch or 2 in overall value:
Average VORP for SS over 3 years
———————————————-
75.0 Hanley Ramirez
57.1 Derek Jeter
56.0 Jose Reyes
51.6 Jimmy Rollins
45.4 Carlos Guillen
39.0 Miguel Tejada
37.4 Michael Young
32.4 Edgar Renteria
27.7 Rafael Furcal
27.1 Orlando Cabrera
25.3 Jhonny Peralta
…30 other SS…
-3.8 Bobby Crosby
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=314858
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204674
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=101087
Cabrera over Crosby is a huge improvement at SS for us. FWIW, Cabrera was ranked the highest of all of our free agent signings (until we sign Manny :) ):
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-freeagenttracker111008
26) Orlando Cabrera, SS
31) Jason Giambi, DH
49) Russ Springer, RP
63) Dennys Reyes, RP (hopefully)
64) Nomar Garciaparra, UT (hopefully)
…so the A’s could wind up with 5 of the top 64 free agents this year…while the Angels have a net loss of 2 of the top 32 free agents (Teixeira, K-Rod, Garland, Anderson, but they add Abreu and Fuentes). I’m liking our chances more and more in the AL West.
ESPN’s Buster Olney just reported that the A’s are “heavy into negotiations” with infielder Nomar Garciaparra and relief pitcher Dennys Reyes.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 2, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions
Heavy Into Negotiations
Sounds a little too R-rated for this blog.
It means the contractions have started
We must keep watch and see if something comes out of this.
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This could be the birth of something quite interesting
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Wow. Cool!
I posted this on a whim this morning and I come back to THIS on AN! Awesome!
I know that there was some controversy with the multiple posts, and that this is not as substantive a contribution as other Fan Posts, but this is my first time on the big board … it feels great just the same.
Thanks to the Eds., and thanks AN!
The A's owners told the mods to choose yours to promote because of the user name
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
I feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog's day....
when he said at the end of the movie…this is the end of a very long day. So glad we don’t have to sit and hope against hope that this is the year that Crosby stands up to the plate and does his job. Good riddance to worrying about his batting skills.
Ned Ryerson!
Needlenose Ned! Ned the head! C’mon, buddy. Case Western High. I did the whistling belly-button trick at the high school talent show?
Bing!
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