Suckfest Trifecta: A's Pitching, Offense, Defense Falter In 9-7 Loss To D-Backs
You can only blame the wind for so much.
Offensively, the A's would have been in much better shape had there been only three bases, but that pesky five-pointed one proved to be quite elusive from the git-go. With runners and second and third and nobody out in the 1st inning, the A's failed when Giambi popped up, Cust struck out, and Suzuki bounced out. Then with runners at the corners and nobody out in the 2nd inning, somehow the imposing duo of Hannahan and Patterson couldn't make even a productive out before Buck ended another inning of frustration. Next thing you know, it was 9-2 before the A's scrubs rallied against the Diamondbacks' scrubs for 5 runs in the 7th to make it interesting.
Defensively, the A's had three problems. One was the wind, which turned playable fly balls into two gift RBI hits off Edgar Gonzalez in the 1st inning. Another was Jack Hannahan, who made a pair of costly errors in the middle innings as the Diamondbacks broke open a close game. Another was Javier Herrera, who took over CF in the 6th, just in time to misjudge one fly ball into a triple and then "mine, mine, mine...yours!" one into a double.
The pitching? One positive: Despite a line that looks so-so (3IP, 4 hits, 2 ER), Edgar Gonzalez actually pitched very well, striking out 4, walking none, and generally pitching out of trouble that he hadn't even pitched into. From there, however, the pitchers seemed inspired by the performances of their position player pals.
In the 4th, Josh Outman walked the first two batters he faced and wound up charged with 4 runs on 4 hits in his 2 innings of sub-par work. I do not believe that jobs are won or lost on March 1st, but Outman becomes the first applicant for the #5 spot to turn in a stinker of a stint. In the 6th, Mike Wuertz turned in 0.2 IP that began as a Herrera-induced fit of suckitude but ended with Wuertz unable to finish the inning due to his own shortcomings.
One thing I have loved about recent A's teams is the "never give up" mentality even the most mediocre A's groups have had. Today was no exception, as at least Oakland got up off the deck from a woeful first six innings of futility and actually brought the go-ahead run to the plate as early as the 7th inning.
A final, random note. I want to give kudos to Vince Cotroneo, who in my opinion sounds so much better this Spring than before. I thought Vince sounded a little better last season, but only now would I say he sounds significantly improved from before. The difference, I think, is that his pacing is a lot more professional and he isn't "trying to do too much," the problem I felt plagued him as much as anything his first three seasons with the A's. I don't know if Vince has been coached, or whether he has just finally relaxed, but the difference is noticeable to me and as a play-by-play afficianado I am keenly aware of, and concerned with, the quality of a radio broadcast. Good work, partner - may the young pitchers come along so well!
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were you writing this while the game was still going on????
One thing I have loved about recent A’s teams is the “never give up” mentality
{shakes head}
Awww… Unicorn's optimistic. And a cheeseball. That’s cute. ~Whiteshoes40
I started writing when it was 9-2 and updated it along the way.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Call me when the season starts.
Or at least towards the end of March when the good players play more and the bad players are on a small boat out in the Pacific.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
Other positive
Crosby was only 1 for 3, but that 1 was an opposite field single, even when he knew the wind was blowing out hard to left.
Do you mean our new SS McRosby?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Cotroneo
Hits .380 in March, but then the regular season arrives. Nico, may I remind you of your comments in this post from March 2007. I’m not one of the Vince-haters, but may I amend my comment in that thread:
I think he is asolidmediocre #2 guy on the broadcast team.
The A’s job is Vince’s third in MLB (Astros and Rangers). WYHIWYG.
Good point. I'm also not suggesting that what you hear now
is in the same league as what we’re accustomed to with Ken, Bill, Jon Miller, even Dave Flemming (who I think is quite solid). Just that it’s better than what I’ve heard from him before. But yes, could be a Cactus League mirage. Hope springs eternal in March.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Flemming is an ideal #2
As a Saint Mary’s basketball season ticket holder, I receive e-mails every week: “Come out to the Stadium Pub in Walnut Creek for the live broadcast of the Randy Bennett Show, hosted by Roxy Bernstein.” I just have never been able to figure out how to ask Roxy, “If the A’s canned Cotroneo, would you be interested in that job?” I think Flemming and Bernstein are equals, I enjoy Flemming, and I wish the A’s would come to see it the way I do.
I am increasingly sick of VC....
his announcing is competent enough, but I just don’t like listening to him. His commentary tends to be dubious or banal, and I wish Ken had someone more interesting to talk to…
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
exactly
and what you said about wishing Ken had someone more interesting to talk to really states well, what I have felt about VC.
alaska A residing in colorado.
No argument on any of that
To say that I’m pleased to note an improvement is not to say the A’s couldn’t have done better. (Sorry, Vince.)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
VC confessional
this got me thinking on blurting out some other thoughts/feelings about VC after months of baseball downtime with new season approaching….
dull ( I like the banal description….the bah-nal pronounciation form…like an eastern snob)
i would find myself cringing a bit if listening to the game and it was Vince’s turn coming up.
The effor it takes me to try and like the guy… Listening to a ball game should not be chore.
alaska A residing in colorado.
I'm less aware of Vince right now - in a good way
The difference between that and “actually good” is that with Ken is that I’m always aware of him – in a good way.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Recommendation for future Spring writeups
The following recs are based on the premise that a lot of fans don’t follow spring training very closely:
1) Final Score posted always – please don’t make me go to mlb.com, ah!
2) More game recap – As mentioned above, there were some positives here that I only found out about upon going to…ahhh…mlb.com. Sweeney continues to show possible strides of improvement with his first HR and another solid line. Mazzaro DOMINATED, albeit against backups probably, but I think as mentioned before Mazzaro is probably the most likely of MAC to get the 5 spot while the other two are allowed to develop a little further. (Sorry Nico, I know its difficult to cover everything especially in this year’s camp. These suggestions would just be the icing on the cake.)
Also, Im curious to know more about Edgar Gonzalez, I know he is a possible #5 guy, but why do I know nothing about him? If someone could give me the 411 Id appreciate it.
I miss Chad God
Add-on
So more about player development – I can look at Sweeney’s box-score but Id also be curious to know if he hit a homer off a hanging curve against an AAAA pitcher or was it an “earned” HR, that sort of thing is most interesting to me in ST.
I miss Chad God
Points well taken - one limitation for me in spring training
is that I can’t see the game. For example, I have no idea what pitch Sweeney hit or how good Mazzaro really looked. The score I can do, obviously, no problem. I had the Sweeney HR mentioned, but in the final draft ended up deleting it in favor of mentioning the 5-run 7th. Oops.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Again, I always love your writeups and usually the score is mentioned, but thanks!
Simply a couple of suggestions. The add-on about how good people were looking was more of a general statement SHOULD anyone be in AZ or able to watch somehow. I think as an A’s fan, and maybe Im mistaken, but most of us just care primarily about the development of our bubble players right now, and then ofc any bad news about people we thought we could rely on.
I miss Chad God
Well I totally messed up not listing the score!
I fixed that after I saw your comment.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I mean it was always there, you blind moron.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The radio made it seem like a blast
But I guess most homeruns probably sound like that on the radio.
Did I mention that Hannahan should be released
The minor leagues are too good for this guy.
That is 2,134,256 (Number of times I have asked for Hannahan to be gone off this team)
Apart from him, nothing to complain about.
Yup.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Not so fast...Hannahan is a lot like Pennington and Petit,
in that he gives you “real plus” defense without much hitting. On a team that wanted to sacrifice some hitting to get the best defense possible, he’d be a lot more useful.
Of course it would help if he played middle infield, but on the flip side it would be nice if Pennington had any power whatsoever or if Petit had ever been introduced to a walk.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Pettit hasn't had much more than a cup of coffee in the majors
and Pennington had a bit more than that, but not alot more. Hannahan basically has played a year and a half as the A’s starting third baseman.
Yes, but he also hit well in 2007
I’m just saying that he’s recognized as an excellent defensive 3Bman, while Pennington and Petit are widely believed (internally and outside) to lack the ability to hit for power, or OBP, respectively.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It's weird though. Hannahan comes with this "excellent defense" reputation
but he sure seems to have a horribly inaccurate arm. It seems like he’s constantly throwing balls in the dirt or into the outfield, and a lot of the balls that Barton dug out last year are going to skip by Giambi this year.
I’m just pessimistic about him, I guess.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
He obviously wasn't good defensively today
He didn’t make a lot of throwing errors last season, but then again Barton saved both Hannahan and Crosby quite a few errors that they otherwise might have had.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'm not sure Barton is better at scoops than Giambi
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Giambi is also very solid at fielding the balls he can get to
His range sucks, but he had a .990 fielding pct last season and he scoops throws well, so he’s not a disaster in every way.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Giambi in his prime? Who knows.
Giambi right now, at age 38, when he’s basically a statue with a glove on?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Could be - something was sure different
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd rather have Pennington or Petit than Hannahan if they're that similar...
…because at least Pennington and Petit can steal a few bags.
Say something funny.
I don't think it's either or, because
“back up 3B” and “back up middle INF” are going to be two distinct needs – unless the A’s want to go with Pennington as the backup 3Bman even though he can’t slug over .350.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
lol
mine…mine…mine…YOURS!
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
As a verb, no less
:-)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I don't care
about not getting in a guy from 3rd. I don’t want anyone to change there approach at the plate. Sure as a fan its frustrating, but in the long run it will pay off.
and if that doesn’t satisfy, think, its only march 1.
Its funny
Comparing the roto world recap to Nico’s. There is none of the analysisof how, for example, the two runs were earned in the first. to read roto world, it Gonzales had a less than good outing. reading nico’s recap, it wasn’t so bad.
Goes to show you the luck of the game, and how people use shortcuts to evaluate a talent.
No kidding - consider that the two RBI hits in the first inning off Gonzalez
were a misplayed wind-blown double over Buck’s head (described as a somewhat tough play given the conditions, but a catchable ball) and a pop fly that twisted in the wind and fell in among three fielders.
Turn those into the fly ball outs Gonzalez actually earned, and the line looks like this:
3 IP, 2 hits, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K.
That’s how he pitched.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
So he couldn't strike out all 9 that he faced?
You are right in that those should have been outs. I know there has been a lot of “Should have been outs” the last two years but then again it is only spring.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Going further
Even if you don’t look at the bad defense you can still look at the fact that he didn’t walk anybody whereas Outman got himself into trouble with those leadoff walks.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
Outman was terrible
He’s changed something in his mechanics and Ken was saying, “maybe the A’s coaches will be changing it back..”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He should
Today certainly didn’t help his chances at being chosen for the 5th starter spot. Seems like the A’s brass had a thing for E. Gonzalez coming into camp and he hasn’t disappointed so far.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
I'd think J. Williams is still ahead of E. Gonzalez on the depth chart coming in
Williams had a very good major league season, while Gonzalez has consistently struggled. But basically I think the #5 spot is two separate races: Williams vs. Gonzalez and Gio vs. Outman. I see one lefty and one righty making the team, and one of each starting the season in AAA.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Good way of looking at it
Williams is certainly intriguing and if he can recapture the form he had when he came into the league we may have solved our #2 starter problem in a very unexpected way.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
If I were handicapping it right now, I'd say
it’s Williams’ to lose, not Gonzalez’, in that if Williams pitches great he should have a spot, period. And I’d say Outman is headed into “needs AAA time to get his mechanics straightened out territory” while Gio may show added maturity to go with his added ass-weight.
Given Geren’s hint that he likes the idea of putting Gio in a position where he had some success last year – which was the bullpen – I’m wondering if the season will begin with:
Duchscherer, Gallagher, Eveland, Braden, Williams
RHP relievers: Devine, Ziggy, Springer, Wuertz, Casilla
LHP relievers: Blevins, Gio
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That's with Outman and Gonzalez starting the year in AAA,
and Casilla traded if the A’s sign D. Reyes.
Why aren’t teams signing Reyes, by the way? The guy is a very good reliever. Is he asking for too much money?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I thought it was "denis"
I’ll have to read my spam more carefully.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'm confused
Which Gonzalez are we talking about that’s in AAA? I’m presuming Gio. It’s a good thing we traded C-Gon since three Gonzalez’s would be waaaaaaaaaay too many.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
Oh - from my post it would be Edgar
(if he loses the battle with Jerome Williams and Gio is put in the bullpen as a second lefty).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Thank you for clarifying
I’m rooting for Williams and/or Gio. It’d be so nice for Williams to recapture some of that success he had at the beginning of his career and he’s certainly young enough for that to happen.
And Gio is a big part of our future and to be able to pencil him (and hopefully Gallagher) as a certainty into the rotation along side question marks (for now) in Cahill, Anderson, and Mazzaro would be super sweet.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 1, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Relax, everybody!
Nobody got hurt, it’s spring training, Vin Mazarro looked sharp, it’s spring freaking training, Chavy was cleared for fielding! Oh, did I mention it’s Spring Freaking Training! Chill!
by A'sfansince1970 on Mar 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions
Just shows the expectations already set for this season
And rightfully so, IMO. I like how things are getting in crisis mode already; shows the offseason is officially over.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Mar 1, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
I know, it just gets old
and we are in or the A’s are still in preseason mode. I look at Spring Training as extended offseason. I just feel the need to pace myself and not take it too seriously.
by A'sfansince1970 on Mar 2, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions





























