Who Were Our PED Users in 2003??
by windyfelix on Feb 9, 2009 11:14 AM PST
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PrintOK-- let's assume an even distribution of the 104 positive tests-- that's 3.47 per each MLB 40 man roster. Of course the A's would be one of the leading candidates for being disproportionately high on that list, given BALCO, McGwire, Canseco, Giambi and their shared legacy. And if I'm anywhere near right about the testing missing an equal number, the actual number would be more like 7-8.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Adam Piatt fess up already? There's 1.
Tejada
Menechino (I would be very surprised if neither he nor Miggy weren't juicing back then)
Other leading candidates among hitters: Chavez, Hernandez, Durazo, Guillen (who didn't start with the club)
Other potential pitching candidates-- and this becomes a guessing game of the highest sort:
Mulder (given all the injuries)
Harang
Mecir (older reliever trying to preserve career)
Rincon (ditto)
Now if you truly believe that the vast majority of players were juicing then, well you can add Chris Singleton (just joking, I think), Scott Hatteberg (the juicin' machine??), Mark Ellis, Eric Byrnes (and come to think of it, I'd say Byrnsie is probably a pretty strong suspect), Jermaine Dye, Ted Lilly, Tim Hudson and a few more relievers. Zito is one of the only people I'd remove from suspicion, and I'm probably wrong about him.
But none of the dozen or so guys I listed first (including Byrnes and Dye) would surprise me very much. Not saying all of them were juicing, but I'd bet most were.
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I got the results emailed; just 3
Long
Crosby
Sparks
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
So that's how Crosby had his career year!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 9, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
He could've been an MVP...
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Feb 9, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Personally, I don't like playing a guessing game with something like this
I don’t feel it’s very fair to accuse players of drug use because of injury history, or for anything other than conclusive evidence for that matter. Sure, they could all have been using but come on man, give guys the benefit of the doubt a bit.
MLB isn’t entirely made up of cheaters and liars.
There are more than a handful of guys who have strict morals who want nothing more than to prove that they can make it without the help of a shot in the ass or some cream on the thighs…
I think the history of PEDs and the Union's apparently unwillingness to get them out of the sport makes it 100% ok to do what windyfelix is doing
The speculation is completely warranted.
by thejd44 on Feb 9, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
If Chavy juiced...
… it’s going to take a while for me to get back to full 100% fan mode.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
you better hope those other 103 names don’t come out anytime soon.
i’d say there’s a greater than 103 / total mlb players chance.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Yeah, I mean...
I’m not accusing him or anything, but I’d be somewhat surprised if he didn’t use at some point.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Um, that basically goes for every player in MLB.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
Yes, and I'd also be awfully surprised if he didn't stop at some point ...
… that point coinciding with both Beane’s decision to not re-sign Tejada and Chavez’ declining durability.
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
Pointed out elsewhere...
…that this was random testing. It’s possible that people who weren’t tested were also using PEDs, and we don’t have a list of anyone who WAS tested and came up clean.
Not only that, but you could well have guys who used steroids before 2003 and cleaned up because their health was endangered or for legal issues. They’d test clean in 2003 but might have been using for the previous decade. I guess you could have guys who were clean for the previous decade, then used steroids in 2003 to recover faster from injury or who decided, knowing that steroid testing would probably be mandatory in a year or two, decided to switch to steroid use to prolong their fading careers (meaning their ability to earn millions of dollars).
We decry all this “cheating,” but for the majority of baseball players, the show may be the only chance in their lifetimes to earn six or seven figures a year, and when you know you won’t get caught, what’s the risk?
The risk is you might hafta call these guys.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 9, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
What’s all this fuss 
about KEDS?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 9, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I heard Nico asking that same thing.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 9, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
mcgwire is still innocent dude, don't lose faith!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
I'm in the everyone did it, don't scapegoat Mac camp ...
not the Mac is innocent camp ….
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
I really don't want to know what you did with the tuba ...
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
is that your position now?
i can’t keep up with your shifting views on the subject.
all i know is “”http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/2/7/143530/6558#78010" >Everyone actually involved said it flat out wasn’t true – Mac, LaRussa, McKay"…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
all i know is “Everyone actually involved said it flat out wasn’t true – Mac, LaRussa, McKay”…
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Wow ... that was four years ago ...
Wasn’t A-Rod still using steroids back then …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
Only if this is 2007
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 10, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, because he TOTALLY stopped when he was traded to New York ...
he’s such a good person …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
I was doing Blez for a long time
Hey, how do you think one gets a frontpage slot?
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
They didn't make me do that.
Or is that how I keep my frontpage slot?
I'm here to talk about the past.
Silly game
Here are the players who have tested positive since 2004:
Alex Sanchez
Jorge Piedra
Agustin Montero
Jamal Strong
Juan Rincon
Rafael Betancourt
Rafael Palmeiro
Ryan Franklin
Mike Morse
Carlos Almanzar
Felix Heredia
Matt Lawton
Yusaku Iriki
Guillermo Mota
Juan Salas
Dan Sefarini
Eliezer Alfonzo
Humberto Cota
Henry Owens
JC Romero
Sergio Mitre
Quick, find the pattern that will allow us to guess which A’s from 2003 were juicing.
Hispanic?
It’s also the list of those caught, as opposed to those guilty.
didnt he have a medical reason for using it?
or am i making that up
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
Jamal Strong...HA!
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Feb 10, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Based on this list....
I’m wondering about the Performance Enhancing label.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Who the hell is Yusaku Iriki?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
Why stop at '03? If we're playing the guessing game why not guess who was taking PEDs in 1973?
And who really cares. Technically they weren’t breaking any MLB rules in 2003, and before, so what does it matter? You can’t fault someone for trying to improve their performance on the job when it’s at no ones detriment, less possibly their own, and everybody was free to do it.
Maybe we should...
Tie a stone to them and throw them in the lake… if they float, we kill them for being witches. If they drown, they get to go to Heaven… it’s win-win
"zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
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