Oakland A's Top 31 BA
by Bud Light on Feb 6, 2009 5:58 PM PST
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Well my handbook arrived so we now have another list to compare.
1. Brett Anderson
2. Trevor Cahill
3. Michael Inao
4. Aaron Cunningham
5. Adrian Cardenas
6. Chris Carter
7. Gio gonzalez
8. Vin Mazzaro
9. Jemile Weeks
10. James Simmons
11. Sean Doolittle
12. Josh Outman
13. Josh Donaldson
14. Henry Rodriquez
15. Tyson Ross
16. Corey Brown
17. Cliff Pennington
18. Fautino De Los Santos
19. Brett Hunter
20. Jerry Blevins
21. Rashun Dixon
22. Dusty Coleman
23. Andrew Bailey
24. Craig Italiano
25. Andrew Carnigan
26. Sam Demel
27. Jared Lansford
28. Matt Sulentic
29. Arnold Leon
30. Grant Desme
31. Pedro Figueroa
Some intersting slots that but overall agree with it and the placements. BA always goes heavy on recent draft picks and upside.
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Speaking of which,
has anyone received their Sickels book yet? “Ships on 1/31,” eh? Me still waiting. Me want bookie!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 6, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I haven't gotten my sickels book yet
But I think he said it was delayed and is shipping this weekend so probably mid to late next week.
by Bud Light on Feb 6, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, thanks
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 6, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
quite a difference from the Community List
Dogfood Gangstas
Canned or Dry,
We Neva Die.
by Zonis on Feb 6, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Especially Inao being #3 - he wasn't even on our list at all!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 6, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Inao! Iwasjustassurpraized!
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Feb 6, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"laugh ny ass off"?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 6, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Laugh Nico's Ass Off
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by Rebuilding Season on Feb 6, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Blevins? ' the hell?
So it’s really more like a top 30 list…
I’d be interested to know what’s causing Pedro Figueroa to get these back-end-of-top-30 nods, since I can’t see anything in his performance that would suggest he has the slightest chance of making the majors.
I think the most interesting thing on here, apart perhaps from Pennington being inexplicably treated as a decent player, is that they have Tyson Ross ahead of Brett Hunter.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2009 6:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agree, I was surprised, too.
He’s got oodles of potential but those mechanics are just plain ’orrible.
by NateHST on Feb 6, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's be fair...
Hunter’s mechanics are nothing to write home about either.
Both of ‘em are ticking time bombs… the A’s are just hoping one of them doesn’t go off until he hits free agency.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter's mechanics are strange, to be sure,
but I think Ross’s are a bit more concerning. The inverted W has shoulder trouble written all over it. Hunter’s ridiculously long stride, on the other hand, probably just makes him a better fit as a max-effort reliever. I can’t remember where, but someone did a nice comparison of Hunter’s delivery to Carlos Marmol’s.
by CapgrasDelusion on Feb 7, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or 1 year prior to free agency
see: Hudson, Tim; and (to a debatable extent): Harden, Richard
by rollierollieOxenfree on Feb 8, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden, James actually
Say something funny.
by muffinpryde on Feb 8, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
never occured to me that Blevins was eligible
Coleman being #22 and Christian being off the list completely is a bit of a surprise, I kind of figured they’d be bunched together like Carignan/Demel. Bailey and Desme are a bit higher than I would have figured too.
by jakarta on Feb 6, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and no Leyja
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Canned or Dry,
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by Zonis on Feb 6, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't surprised by that
He didn’t get onto their AZL Top 20, although they did say he was close.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not eligible for RoY
For reasons known only to them, BA apparently does not limit prospect status based on service time.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then how do they limit it? A full year of service?
Is it an age thing? Could Felix Hernandez still be considered a prospect because even though it seems like he’s been around for a decade he’s still like 16 years old?
by thejd44 on Feb 7, 2009 1:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
130 AB or 50 IP. Sickels does the same thing. Service time is a pain to figure out and you
don’t exclude too many guys by doing it.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 7, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Sickels based it on being ROY eligible
And Blevins isn’t, I don’t think. If he is, he definitely should be somewhere on all these lists.
by thejd44 on Feb 8, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not according to his comment here in the Cardinals Top 20+ for 2009
when discussing Chris Perez
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 8, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re: thejd44
thejd44, Waddell is correct. The qualification for prospect status is anyone who has no more than 50 innings pitched or 130 at-bats in the big leagues. Age is not a consideration for eligibility.
by Ben Badler on Feb 8, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, AN's list of lurking celebrities grows!
Welcome to the site.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 8, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And/or PT's definition of "celebrity" grows!
Welcome to the site’s snark.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Feb 8, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
yeah I’ve never read BA so I didn’t know who “the other other BB” was until a googling just now
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
by Cutthemullet on Feb 9, 2009 2:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have a huge gripe with the age thing
Since, basically by definition of “prospect,” there needs to be some sort of age cut-off.
But it seems odd if they’re going for 50 innings/130 ABs that Sickels wouldn’t have Blevins listed anywhere.
by thejd44 on Feb 9, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it would be pretty telling if you had some 35 yo guys on your prospect list anyway.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 9, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does there need to be a cutoff? Age is already factored into a player's value.
The only thing a strict age cutoff could possibly do is make the lists worse.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 9, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, a guy who is in the middle of proving himself
doing nothing less – and more – than he’s been asked, is #20 behind guys who’ve never set foot in the coliseum. And Blevins behind Cliff “Chad” Pennington? Um, ok…maybe I just don’t get it.
by Mark H on Feb 6, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They seem to disagree with everyone. Good.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 6, 2009 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Really? I thought this list was remarkably close to the Community list...
whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing, I don’t know.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya except for some glaring differences like Blevins, Petit, Leyja and Christian it's the same basic names
But those differences are interesting
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 7, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AthleticsNation Top Prospect List:
1. Trevor Cahill, RHP [A-] [BA2] [Mi8]
2. Brett Anderson, LHP [A-] [BA1] [Mi16]
3. Chris Carter, 3B/1B [B] [BA6] [Mi51]
4. Aaron Cunningham, CF [B] [BA4] [Mi67]
5. Gio Gonzalez, LHP [B] [BA7] [Mi69]
6. Adrian Cardenas, SS/2B [B] [BA5] [Mi57]
7. Sean Doolittle, 1B/RF [B] [BA12] [Mi-??]
8. James Simmons, RHP [B-] [BA10] [Mi83]
9. Vin Mazzaro, RHP [B-] [BA8] [Mi97]
10. Josh Donaldson, C [C+] [BA11]
11. Michel Inoa, RHP [B-] [BA3] [Mi72]
12. Jemile Weeks, 2B [B] [BA9]
13. Henry Rodriguez, RHP [B-] [BA14]
14. Rashun Dixon, CF [C+]
15. Fautino De Los Santos, RHP [C+]
16. Arnold Leon, RHP [C+]
17. Josh Outman, LHP [B-]
18. Corey Brown, CF [C+] [BA13]
19. Brett Hunter, RHP [B-]
20. Sam Demel, RHP [C+]
21. Andrew Carignan, RHP [B-]
22. Tyson Ross, RHP [C+]
23. Nino Leyja, SS
24. Matt Sulentic, OF
25. Craig Italiano, RHP
26. Gregorio Petit, SS
27. Jason Christian, SS [C+]
28. Andrew Bailey, RHP [C+]
29. Jared Lansford, RHP
30. Carlos Hernandez, LHP
31. Dusty Coleman, SS
Thats our top 31.
I might repost the Community Prospect List with BA’s #’s next to the names. But I might also just wait till Baseball Prospectus does their top 11.
Dogfood Gangstas
Canned or Dry,
We Neva Die.
by Zonis on Feb 6, 2009 7:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wait for BP
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Feb 7, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and then when you do,
try to get Blez or someone to make a front-page link to it. (Or lacking that, at least remind me to bookmark it myself….)
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 8, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zonis ??? for you
If you used Sickels grades but made them numbers along w BA, Scout, AN, and whatever other list you had could you get a combined top prospects lists together?
I would be intersted how that shook out.
by Bud Light on Feb 6, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that
Is that while Sickels does rank players numerically, he specifically says not to pay much attention to that and it’s the letter grades that matter. I don’t think he puts nearly as much thought into the order as the individual player grade. IMO, this is the right move because it’s far more beneficial to know a grade – a ranking among all prospects + a sort of meta-prospect standard – than it is to know how they rank within the same system (especially since if they all play different positions, their ranking doesn’t make a difference since they can all succeed at the same time and to the same extent).
by thejd44 on Feb 7, 2009 1:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus one
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
by Cutthemullet on Feb 9, 2009 2:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Blevins is eligible, he should be higher
I’d be happy if Outman, Ross, or Rodriguez are ever as good as Blevins is now.
by Danny on Feb 7, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of a weird statement since I think Outman projects as an average-ish starter
Which is more valuable than a pretty good, but not great, reliever.
by thejd44 on Feb 8, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Outman as an average starter,
given his control and the straighth of his fastball. Out of the bullpen, he can at least throw a little harder and use his breaking stuff better against lefties (by facing a more lefty-heavy portion of the lineup).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 8, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Went to a Baseball Game Yesterday
Every year, TCU has a pre-season game between the Horned Frogs and an alumni team. The alumni team is a mix of fat, old guys and minor-leaguers.
The point being, Sam Demel closed the game. OK, it is really early and Papago Park is a month away, but he was throwing easy at 92 and struck out TCU’s big lefty clean-up slugger with a sharp slider at the knees.
Lance Broadway (competing for the Chicago White Sox rotation) looked good for two innings with nice control.
Jake Arrieta (#4 prospect for the Orioles) also pitched two nice innings. It seemed every single batter popped up against his high four-seam fastball.
Anyway, it was a beautiful 70 degrees under blue skies and a great way to start another baseball season. I am SO glad winter is almost over. Play ball!
by redtopcowboy on Feb 8, 2009 7:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
sounds like winter already is over...
…for you
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
by Cutthemullet on Feb 9, 2009 2:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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