DLD 020609: Warm Springs Infernal
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 6, 2009 10:34 AM PST
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There’s an axiom in political event planning: never book a room you can’t fill. Nothing looks worse on camera than a bunch of empty seats, but by contrast, a standing-room-only crowd makes your (candidate/cause/publicity stunt) look vibrant and in high demand.
The A’s apparently took this thought to heart, as the intimate event they’d planned for 25 or so Fremont residents became a throng of 700 protestors who turned out in opposition to what’s become the A’s new preferred Fremont ballpark site, near the future Warm Springs BART station. Also near the New United Motors (NUMMI) plant, and a bunch of current residents just across the 680 freeway.
As usual, the Newballpark Blog is a fine place to find information. The A’s plan for the Warm Springs site appears to be "decoupled" from the housing component which ostensibly will pay for the park…in other words, no more "ballpark village," just a village at Site A to pay for the ballpark somewhere at Site B. That presumably would be the same plan to be used for a San Jose ballpark. Or an Oakland one.More than 700 protesters, according to police estimates, lined the street outside Weibel Elementary School at 6:30 p.m. holding up anti-A's signs and chanting "No Stadium."
…The rally was organized to demonstrate the opposition in Fremont's Warm Springs district to the team's proposal to build a ballpark near the planned Warm Springs BART station, and across Interstate 680 from a residential neighborhood. Residents fear the ballpark would lead to added traffic problems and result in fans parking on their streets and walking through their neighborhood.
…With such a large turnout for the rally, A's officials cancelled the planned information session and invited 500 of the protestors into the school's multi-purpose room to field their questions.
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Oh, geez
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 10:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I read that and though it said "Lex Luthor is dead"
Lex was “blown up by a toy monkey bomb” last night on smallville. That show needs to end, have Clark learn to fly, put the suit on him and be done with it.
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by micdog2001 on Feb 6, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a dark day in our house...
I’m horribly saddened by Lux’s death, as I have every single Cramps record. Not much to add to the link above, except that Lux was one of only a handful of true rebels, always sticking with his creative vision and not backing down from his attitude. One of the best live rock bands, ever.
A few choice clips:
Live on Conan O’Brien doing “Ultra Twist” c. 1996:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJAw7SVyL60
“Tear it Up” from Urgh: A Music War, c. 1981:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQ4QLFl01g
And maybe their most notorious, playing to the mentally ill at Napa State Hospital, complete with full involvement from the patients/audience:
by Mark H on Feb 6, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you, perchance, a Pine Box Boys fan as well?
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
weird, i thought i posted that news here a few days ago, but apparently i forgot because i have way too many tabs open.
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by xbhaskarx on Feb 6, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of seeing Bob Goldthwaite
a long time ago, drinking multiple Tabs on stage and reading the list of chemicals in the ingredients, and when you get to the end it says “continued next can”.
by sslinger on Feb 6, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
My grandmother's birthday as well, actually the same day
Man, she hated that guy
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by Buck Turgidson on Feb 6, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It could have been worse
She could have named her daughter “Berman.”
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Olbermann
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Palin said she named Bristol in part for Bristol, Conn. — home of the sports network ESPN.
“When I was in high school, my desire was to be a sportscaster,” she said. “Until I learned that you’d have to move to Bristol, Connecticut. It was far away. So instead, I had a daughter and named her Bristol.”
So instead of moving to Connecticut, she moved to Alaska?
Dogfood Gangstas
Canned or Dry,
We Neva Die.
by Zonis on Feb 6, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just where exactly do you think she went to high school?
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This part should have been left out
grew up playing flute and trombone
The nuts and bolts of gameplay are apocalyptic failures, but the awfulness doesn’t stop there. Managing games is utterly pointless. [Feb 2009, p.85]
by A'sfaninNC on Feb 6, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This one time, at band camp ...
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This explains a lot
… and says sports taught her everything she knows.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Feb 6, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, lady! This isn't a library!
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Feb 6, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I applaud the ap's decision to start allowing sarcastic articles.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Feb 6, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for the sigline file
From the Fremont protest article:
It’s really refreshing to see so much community spirit
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
also from that article
the last line:
He also said the A’s would reduce the number of weekday afternoon games to prevent traffic jams when parents are picking up their children from the local elementary school.
…pardon my ignorance, but I had no idear that the A’s had any control over when their games were scheduled. How would that work? Day off before travel? Only play 1st-game-of-road-series at night? I dont understand how that is logistically possible, maybe it was just an empty promise. ..?
Maybe it’s almost 5pm on a Friday.
Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"
by popcornjames on Feb 6, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard the explanation
There are several paragraphs of rules about scheduling in the CBA. Limitations include scheduling of getaway day games based on travel time, especially coast-to-coast. Teams in the Central and Eastern time zones aren’t hit hard, West Coast teams obviously are. Each team gets 6 or so exceptions per season to these rules.
by vertig0 on Feb 6, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've read that MLB makes the daily schedule
and the teams choose the time of first pitch.. The A’s have been generaly accomodating to the visting team by making the last game a series a day game.
Which is what lead the confusion last year during the first Oakland series vs Boston. The Sox just assumed that the second and last game would be a day game, and then leaned on the A’s to reschedule when they found out it was, in fact, a night game…
Ellis for President
by tosk on Feb 8, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Normally I don't care about the Fremont stuff since I'm a NRAF
But this part bothered me:
Residents fear the ballpark would lead to added traffic problems and result in fans parking on their streets and walking through their neighborhood.
Comiskey Park is in a neighborhood. So is Wrigley Field. Generally speaking, you can’t park on the residential streets during games. Some of the areas around those neighborhoods are permit parking. It’s actually a very simple solution. And if people aren’t parking in the neighborhood, they probably won’t be walking around there either.
by thejd44 on Feb 6, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
For most of the Chicagoans who live near stadiums, the facility was there when they moved in
I’m agnostic on the particulars of the WS site, but the residents of the nabe surely have the right to object to a massive intrusion like this.
Also: OK, so where exactly are A’s fans going to park?
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They certainly have a right to complain
It’s just that the complaint of people parking is one that’s easily resolved.
I assume they would build a parking lot or two along with the stadium. Is this not the case?
by thejd44 on Feb 6, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess "that'll be in the EIR"
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s so aggravating that anyone near a stadium site will dismiss the possibility of building it there out of hand.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oaklanders would not object
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 6, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They would, though.
Unless it was built anywhere other than the current site. I only once saw a poll in favor of building a new park in Oakland, and it was barely in favor (53%). That, of course, was on the stipulation that no public funding be involved.
I’m pretty convinced at this point that it needs to be within an urban core, because the burbs aren’t going to get behind it. Wolff has already dismissed Oakland, so that leaves San Jose (what he’s really wanted all along), Sacramento (which he has also already dismissed, for reasons that are unclear to me), or another place entirely. I don’t think that place could be Portland, because they’re probably just as difficult to work with as California. It will probably be Vegas or the Carolinas, unless San Jose can be made to work.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
after a long time thinking that it couldn't happen, my money would now be on Vegas
I think the combination of MLB’s quasi-surreptitious embrace of Indian gaming and the state of the economy may make Vegas possible.
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No way
Relocation will not happen for any MLB franchise any time soon, within the next 15-20 years, I’m thinking.
"There is a sense of tragic destiny associated with people who have large noses." --Bucky Wunderlick
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 6, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't argue with that
15-20 years from now, Vegas will be even more likely.
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you're not counting Fremont/SJ as relocation
and I still wouldn’t go quite so far out on that limb, but, yeah, Vegas isn’t happening any time in the foreseeable future.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Feb 6, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fremnt and San Jose are not Relocation
They are within the same metro area.
by jeffro on Feb 6, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
2+2=5
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by Buck Turgidson on Feb 6, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if contraction will come up again
But this time, maybe in an involuntary form. As in, some club’s ownership group had too much money invested with Madoff. Or in some other way the house of cards collapses. The other MLB owners would probably provide corporate welfare for one club, but if this happened to three or four clubs at a time, no way. Bankruptcies would be filed and teams would fold.
And if this happened to a team that was in an otherwise good situation with respect to their ballpark, could the Oakland Athletics franchise be seen as a replacement? Say it were the Rockies ownership that collapsed. Wolff and Fisher could move into Coors Field. You could phrase it any way you want, maybe a “merger” of the Rockies and the Athletics.
Of course there would be other issues, such as needing an even number of teams in MLB. I’m just saying that in the current economy, notions that were unthinkable a few years ago are not just conceivable but realities. Who’d have thought we’d be talking about Citigroup and Bank of America the way we are now?
by Soaker on Feb 6, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they'll tarp off some houses, we can park there.
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Feb 6, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm amused by that
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by alea iacta est on Feb 6, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QOTM
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Feb 6, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wahoo!!!
Wow, does QOTM even happen anymore? Because I’m only funny when it doesn’t count.
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Feb 6, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as there are ANers being funny, there will be QsOTM.
They just won’t be gathered into a list, except maybe in June and July.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Feb 6, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Note to self--try to be funny in May.
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King
by batgirl on Feb 7, 2009 7:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With my luck, I'll be funny in August.
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Feb 7, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Fremont's a dead duck.
It’s either San Jose or out of state, it seems. That’s really too bad.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 11:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't write off Oakland
As the timeline gets pushed further and further out—now new park by 2014 at the most optimistic, more likely years later—Oakland could re-emerge, with a new City administration, changed macro-economic circumstances, and previously written-off sites (Army Base, Broadway Auto Row, Estuary) suddenly coming back into the mix.
As to Wolff’s previous insistence that Oakland is gone, here’s a prediction: Oakland’s ballpark chances will outlast Lew’s tenure with the A’s ownership group.
"There is a sense of tragic destiny associated with people who have large noses." --Bucky Wunderlick
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 6, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be my first choice, and I hope it happens.
The problem I see with it is that Oakland’s leadership hasn’t once shown any vision for or interest in getting this done. I can also see a scenario where Wolff throws up his hands and sells the team, and someone else gets it done in Oakland. I have no idea what rich Oaklander would want to get it done, but I can’t see it happening under Wolff’s watch.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think Crywolffisher have been in sell mode for at least 6 months
But that’s sheer uninformed speculation.
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can only imagine
The small amount of glee you get when you post speculation like this. Like the whole Madoff implication.
Don’t worry, I laugh too.
by vertig0 on Feb 6, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't begrudge a Monkey's need for the occasional adult beverage in an Urban bar.
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by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about decapitating the existing Coliseum?
Ugly as it is, perhaps leaving the “Mt Davis” edifice, but tearing down the surrounding “bowl” and putting something up that is not so “multi-purpose”. The “rehab” part could be built in sections offsight, like the new Bay Bridge is being built, and once the 2009 (2010? 2011?) season is over, they demo the “semi-bowl” and start putting in new pieces…
…
okay, the Raiders…their average attendance only fills Mt Davis anyway, so if they simply restricted seating to Mt Davis, football fans could watch destruction across the field, as well as on the field!
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 6, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Broadway Auto Row would be awesome
but I think a waterfront park would be IDEAL. I just wish the “City Of” was even capable of thinking so grandly.
Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"
by popcornjames on Feb 6, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Raiders moving out of colliseum?
at the end of this article, there’s a tossaway line:
Davis hemmed and hawed about ever sitting down with 49ers president Jed York and did everything but announce he will not renew the franchise’s lease at the Oakland Coliseum when it expires after the 2010 season.
does this open the way for the A’s to renovate it for themselves and turn it back into a baseball stadium? this is just vague thinking on my part, not the reporting of anything like fact.
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by alea iacta est on Feb 6, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure the current ballpark could be renovated
It could be torn down, I suppose, but the problem with either of those plans is finding a place for the A’s to play while this occurs.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Memorial?
Wonder what that would look like in a baseball configuration. Obviously it would have to be a short-term (2 years or so) thing since it’s not a modern facility.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been
but if it’s located where I think it is, I would think transportation would be prohibitive.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if you ride a bike
…otherwise, driving a car to the game is a very bad idea. Parking??? Please… If there were no buildings, and it snowed, the area would be rated “black diamond” for skiing. Amazing that they chose the spot for a football field, knowing full well that the Hayward Fault lies =directly= beneath the stadium!!
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 6, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't work, then.
It couldn’t possibly be easier to get to the A’s current location via public transit, and most people still drive anyway.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly right. But Berkeley and Oakland are different in that
if you rode BART to downtown Berkeley, you could hike through campus to the stadium, and though it is a mile, if you chose your route well, it can be a very nice, scenic walk. Danger level is low. Cannot say that about the Coli environs, for about two miles in any direction…..or more.
Even going from Berkeley to the Oakland stadium, traveling by auto is 3x faster than BART, and the gas two ways is about one-third of the total RT BART fare. Basically a no brainer, though I take BART about one in five game events. I don’t pay for parking, I park near the water, west of 880 and get my exercise in.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 8, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as in Memorial Stadium?
Aren’t they shutting it down soon for two years to do the retrofit project? Cal will be playing at Candlestick i think…..
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Feb 6, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be impossible for baseball
The LA Coliseum had ridiculously short LF and RF lines (260 ft IIRC), back before Dodger Stadium was built, and it has a much bigger playing surface because of the track around the football field. I doubt that Memorial is more than 420 feet from end to end (360 feet from goalpost to goalpost, plus 10 extra yards beyond on each side) if that, and the foul poles would be a few yards beyond the infield cutout!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Feb 6, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
las vegas
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Feb 6, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May as well do Sacramento instead, if you're going to do that.
Raley Field is nicer than Cashman, and you’re at least displacing your own tenant.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the 'stick
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Feb 6, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
{shudders, then shivers}
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dolores park!
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 6, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohlone!
Or how about Codornices?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Feb 6, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who needs a giant coke bottle
when you have a concrete slide?
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Feb 6, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"This Saturday is Piece of Waxpaper Day for the first 15 fans to come to Codornices!"
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Feb 6, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't you just...
build one first, then tear it down?
Has there ever been a serious discussion of putting a Stadium on the other side of the Oakland Hills? Concord/Walnut Creek/Dublin/San Ramon/Pleasanton/Livermore? The East Bay A’s?
Sorry, I’ve been in Denver, Colorado for 12 years.
by Colorado Fan on Feb 6, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OMFG PLEASE YES.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 6, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if you displace a majority of the parking.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 6, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There were rumors of it
when Schott & Hoffman owned the team, as one of them (Hoffman I believe) owned huge acreage out in the Tri-Valley area. Obviously nothing ever came of it.
by sslinger on Feb 6, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably no chance in Dublin.
The city rejected a Raiders stadium and a Sharks practice facility…I think.
Say something funny.
by muffinpryde on Feb 6, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well that's good
they were clearly holding out for the big prize – the A’s of Dublin (East Bay, not Ireland)
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 6, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In a few years they might develop some power
and be the A’s of Homerin.
by oblique on Feb 6, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Build it in the parking lot and recoup the lost parking after it's built.
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by DMOAS on Feb 6, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I should have read down the thread before posting...
I think it is an excellent idea to partially rehab the existing stadium….like I said up above …
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 6, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
49ers and Raiders could have a perfect joint solution
with a floating field. Float it over to Candlestick Point for 49er games, and over to the San Leandro Channel (or whatever it’s called) for Raider games.
As they say at the GM/Ford/Dodge/Hyundai/Honda…etc/. dealerships..
__________ ! ! Now is the time to Buy!!!
Shipyards in China are virtually dormant. Maybe in Korea too…don’t know. Anyway, now is the time to get “dealer financing” on a floating structure from over across the Pacific.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 6, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It its never to late to have children
Just ask this lady
The nuts and bolts of gameplay are apocalyptic failures, but the awfulness doesn’t stop there. Managing games is utterly pointless. [Feb 2009, p.85]
by A'sfaninNC on Feb 6, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And another...
this story speaks for itself
The nuts and bolts of gameplay are apocalyptic failures, but the awfulness doesn’t stop there. Managing games is utterly pointless. [Feb 2009, p.85]
by A'sfaninNC on Feb 6, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's never too late to halve children
Just ask this guy.
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
… or Dr. Stuart Lacey.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 6, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
relatively fortunate that it was the liver they shared
It is one amazing organ (I know, I know, twss).
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by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, the ol' organ stands up to alot of abuse, all right.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 6, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that an upright or a grand?
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by iglew on Feb 6, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think maybe it's one when it's the other.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 6, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there such a thing as a grand organ?
I mean, in a musical sense.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Feb 6, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So I've been told. ALITTWSS.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 6, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite video of the moment
right here. little kid+drugs+camera=youtube
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by travdog6 on Feb 6, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that is funny
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
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by micdog2001 on Feb 6, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The first post-presidency job offer for GW
by green star oakland on Feb 6, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Speaking and publishing agents have been less than enthusiastic about booking the former president.
Huh. Go figure.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Feb 6, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This might have been brought up previously but . . .
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090206&content_id=3804120&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
I would be really mad if I were a Brewers fan. The Angels get the Yankees 1st round comp pick instead of the Brewers because Mark Texwhatever was ranked slighty above CC Sabathia. And now they probably won’t see any picks from Sheets because he is injured and might not sign until June.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
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by micdog2001 on Feb 6, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Silver lining (sort of):
How’s this for bad luck: Teixeira was the only free agent with a higher numerical ranking than Sabathia. In fact, only one other non-free agent owned a higher number, outfielder Matt Holliday, at 98.125.
Unless Boston, New York, or the Angels seriously go into the tank, the A’s will get an actual first-round pick for Holliday. (I don’t see any chance he signs with anyone other than one of those three teams.)
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere on a Yankees forum or blog, fans had him and Tim Lincecum photoshopped into Yank unis. They’ve got another huge chunk of payroll coming off next year. I wonder if they’ll use the same strategy and sign multiple type As to preserve draft choices.
by Lovejoy on Feb 6, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks but...
whatya do? So it goes. At least he’s not getting a fat salary. What do type B FAs bring? Whatever it is, they’ll get that for losing Brian Shouse which seems a bit crazy.
by Lovejoy on Feb 6, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Shouse = Compensation
Ben Sheets = No Compensation
This system makes utterly no sense.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 6, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't know the middle statement is true
The other two certainly are.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Feb 7, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
{snerk}
(Here’s hoping the “object” wasn’t what I suspect it might have been.)
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
by monkeyball on Feb 6, 2009 1:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The object was unarmed and face-down in the tube.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 6, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The nerve of some people -- despoiling this magnificent panorama for a tawdry ballpark.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 6, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ahh yes glorious Fremont. Living by the freeway used to be sooo awesome, then came the A's.
"Whom the Gods wish to destroy they first call promising."--Cyril Connolly Enemies of Promise
by WhiteElephant on Feb 6, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Where's the mayor?
The horse jumped over the f---ing fence.
by JLaff on Feb 6, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the parking lot
obviously.
by green star oakland on Feb 6, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
QsOTM all around for this thread
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
by monkeyball on Feb 7, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NIMNUMMIBY
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
by monkeyball on Feb 7, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in my
(nor under my mother inlaw’s) back yard?
???
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 7, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NUMMI = New United Motors Manufacturing, Inc.
A GM-Toyota joint venture which mostly makes Toyota Corollas and pickups now. My very own Toyota pickup was a NUMMI product 20 years ago.
Its plant and large parking lot are the central features of the photo posted above. And they aren’t going anywhere, with or without an A’s ballpark (hence the disingenuity of the implied visual blight diss above).
"There is a sense of tragic destiny associated with people who have large noses." --Bucky Wunderlick
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 7, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why bring common sense into this
thread of wonderful sarcasm?
by somebodyelse on Feb 7, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"(hence the disingenuity of the implied visual blight diss above)" Whew. Translation please?
I’m satisfied that it’s a critique, but I just can’t penetrate the language.
And Lawd knows, I do not want to misinterpret a comment that might represent a mild gesture in the general direction of detente.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Feb 8, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your comment was facetious
therefore I don’t see why it should be considered disingenuous…or perhaps more accruately, why it should be criticized for being disingenuous.
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
by Cutthemullet on Feb 9, 2009 4:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shortstops
This was mentioned in one of the trade threads by way of discussing Orlando Cabrera’s Type A status, but I found it more interesting for the general discussion of how NL shortstops are so much better than AL shortstops right now. It wasn’t so long ago when it was the other way around. I remember Miguel Tejada getting bumped out of the All-Star game because A-Rod, Jeter and Nomar will all in there in front of him.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 6, 2009 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
I read the first half of the Torre book today at the bookstore. It makes me feel even more certain about not making examples of any specific players who used steroids. It seems that the blind eye approach was confirmed in the book.
The book is very well written and details steroid use and the rise of the intellectual front offices and their role in baseball. Very worth reading. I am going to go back tomorrow and finish the book.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 6, 2009 5:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I haven't read it, but my instinct says that
Torre should have waited until he retired to “write” / publish this book.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 6, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's so well done.
It’s not a Juiced. I really don’t think the book will harm his reputation much for the people that read the book.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 6, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but probably the stuff in it that makes you say that is the same stuff that will make the book sell
so it depends what his priorities are…
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Feb 6, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am only half the way through the book...
and there is some criticism of David Wells and an admission that he didn’t want to sign Giambi because of his poor defensive skills but it’s not much of a tell all but more of a rembrance of the time.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 6, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the notion of teammates referring to him as "A-Fraud" addressed?
I got that impression from the Yankees players’ vocal denial of such the other day.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am only on page 238.
I have to go back to the store to read the second half of the book. I stopped on the chapter right before they address the Afraud thing. I did see the Torre Interview on MLBN and Torre and Verducci said that it was what the other players called ARod when he first started with the team because he " tried too hard and wasn’t his true self" whatever that means.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 6, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very worth reading
but not very worth buying?
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 6, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I am cheap like that.
But I do own Moneyball… and buy plenty of books. That one just doesn’t seem like one I’d read again and want to pay 27 bucks for.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 6, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I have $27 ?
/Joe Torre
by green star oakland on Feb 6, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give it to you or...
mikeA before I’d give t to Torre.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 7, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy books either,
but I borrow them from the library, not the book store.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 7, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't borrow the book.
I read it in a comfy chair that the store provides for people who want to sit around and read. But I buy plenty of books. My credit card shows me that I spent $189 last month at the bookstore. I just didn’t want to buy that book. I finished that book today and also bought a nice copy of a book that has all of Jane Austen’s works in it for my daughter. I also bought an assortment of clearance Christmas books for Kids. But good for you that you use the library. My school is located right across the street from our town library so I too enjoy owning a library card.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 7, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to sound critical
just seems weird to me that book stores would not only tolerate but even encourage people to sit and read a book without buying. But the comfy chair shows that they do, and your credit card bill shows why.
I’m a library junkie. The library up here is excellent with a good collection and even better service, but even so I miss the Oakland Library because it has so much old stuff from the early 20th century. Great for research.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 8, 2009 2:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Flint has actually given away like 5 of his books online as loss leaders
and, by all reports, it’s a good strategy. Assuming you’re actually a good writer, of course.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 8, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Research! You use the library your way...
and I’ll use it mine. What I use it for is reading all of the latest periodicals like TIME, People etc and for checking out trashy romance novels that I don’t want to pay actual money for. I also read JUICED from a library checkout…but now I wish that I had bought it instead.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 8, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know where to begin.
First of all, I live in Fremont. More importantly, I live in Warm Springs. The people who were protesting were from the “Weibel/Mission” district. Why they held the meeting there in the first place blows my mind, but that is another issue.
For one thing, I have been saying for YEARS this new spot would be the best place for the A’s, way before they were even talking about moving. When they wanted to move to Pacific Commons, I was really confused because the Warm Springs location made so much more sense.
I am completely perplexed as to why these people are getting so bent out of shape when it really has ZERO effect on them. There is NOTHING around that location. There is the Numi plant, a bunch of other warehouses and businesses. I can understand their concerns about people parking near their homes, but they really aren’t that close. I don’t think it will be that big of an issue. The “Traffic during school hours” argument is ridiculous! Kids get out of school at 3pm, that is in the MIDDLE of the games! And traffic leaving the games would never naturally flow in that direction anyway!
I am so tired of the arguing, just build the damn thing already!
"He's day-to-day," Geren said. "But aren't we all?" - 5/29/08
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Feb 7, 2009 1:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of that
Read the resident comments in this article. There’s no way the Warm Springs site is going to fly.
Fremont is dead. It’s San Jose or out of the Bay for the A’s.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 7, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Oakland
Just filling in this spot for FSU ;-).
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 7, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Wolff et al
can pull off a stadium build anywhere in this climate without public financing it will be a big big deal and a serious (if temporary) benefit to whatever community it happens in. Jobs are jobs right now.
Are these protesters just a vocal minority and how committed are they to stopping this? What or who got them out this event? I am interested that some of these folks may see this as the bigcitification of their little cookie cutter burb.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 7, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They're certainly vocal
Not sure whether or not they’re a minority. A pro-ballpark mayor did get elected, but that was before the new site was proposed.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 7, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the new site makes about a million times more sense
I’m no fan of this move. I just don’t believe there is a real imperative to leave Oakland. I think it is largely manufactured by ownership. However, at least they are proposing a location that may be close to public transportation that serves (might serve) most of the bay area.
I don’t think there is enough to support what you are saying. If another event is held and a larger more organized opposition is present I might start counting Fremont out. Failing that, my guess is it will move forward for the time being. Crywolffisher has little other option at the moment. I’m basing this on the past behavior of the group.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 7, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jobs
Obviously, a new stadium for the A’s needs to be part of the federal stimulus package!
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 7, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<reports self for CGV>
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 7, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks jeepers
Remember, the easiest new ballpark plan, logistically, has always been to build it next to the existing Coliseum. The land’s secured, the JPA already exists, public transit is easy, and the hurdle of interim parking is manageable (even moreso if the Raiders skip town).
Obviously questions of financing and political backing loom large…but those are huge questions for any ballpark plan at any site. And the team’s new willingness to have the housing/retail which would finance the deal located somewhere other than the ballpark site itself opens up the Parking Lot A site quite nicely.
"There is a sense of tragic destiny associated with people who have large noses." --Bucky Wunderlick
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 7, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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