And the final spot on the roster goes to...
If I told you two months ago that the A's were going to sign a certain 6-foot-10, left-handed free agent pitcher this offseason to bolster the young staff, you would've been ecstatic, right?
Well they still can!
It turns out there are actually two men in the world who fit this description, and the A's are showing interest in the other one.
Let's look at two obvious positives here, before delving any deeper:
- Andy Sisco is the second-best 6'10" lefty in baseball.
- He's never assassinated a pigeon on the mound.
In all seriousness, I think that Andy Sisco has a decent chance of being the final player added to the team's roster before spring training. Almost 11 months removed from Tommy John surgery, Sisco will be throwing for scouts (including one from the A's) today. If he has regained his pre-injury velocity - sitting at 92-93, with a high of 95 - he will garner a Major League contract. If he's throwing in the mid-80s, he'll have to settle for a minor-league deal.
A 2005 Rule 5 Draft pick of the Royals, Sisco intrigues me for a variety of reasons. The A's have expressed an interest in adding a second lefty bullpen arm to complement Blevins, and the newly 26-year-old Sisco is the only name available that offers some upside. Here's the rest of the remaining lefty reliever market - the general description is aging LOOGY journeymen with low strikeout ratios.
In contrast to that uninspiring list of players, Sisco might still become something better than what he's been thus far in his career. His development path during the past four years with the Royals and White Sox is grounds for an early-career mulligan in itself.
After being used exclusively as a starter in high-A and appearing in only 26 games as a 21-year-old in '04, he was plucked in the Rule 5 Draft by the Royals out of high-A ball in 2005. And he did a terrific job - 75 innings, 76 K's, a 3.11 ERA and 3.79 FIP. His usage, however, was a bit of a cause for concern - changing roles and leaping from 25 high-A appearances to 67 big-league ones the following year. Might that radical change at age 21/22 have put added stress on his arm? Maybe.
Sisco regressed badly the following year and instead of sending him down to AAA, the Royals inexplicably let him "wear it" to the tune of a 7.10 ERA over the course of the '06 season in 65 more appearances of work.
The Royals then decided he needed to throw more, so they sent him to the Mexican League, where he was sent home after just two weeks for eating tacos during the first inning of a game.
Soon after he was traded to the White Sox for the '07 season, where he quickly found residence in Ozzie Guillen's doghouse (shocking!) and was sent down to AAA...where he should've been the year before. By the start of the '08 season, the injury was starting to nag him and he ended up having surgery before he ever pitched in an '08 game.
I go through all this to point out that maybe Sisco is more than just some ugly numbers and control problems, in hopes that you don't dismiss him out of hand when you see his stats. Extremely tall pitchers like Sisco are notorious for harnessing their mechanics later in their careers than their shorter counterparts do. Perhaps some newfound maturity, patient coaching, and a laid-back clubhouse will provide Sisco with the environment and the situation he needs to reach his potential.
If he demonstrates that his arm is back in today's open tryout, Sisco can stand out from that linked list of journeyman lefties in a several ways:
a.) By my calculations, he still has one usable option left. He spent less than 20 days down on the farm with the Royals in '06, preserving that option year, before the White Sox burned options on him in '07 and '08. That means that the A's would always have the flexibility to send him down to AAA and work out kinks if need be. It also gives them more roster flexibility to build a roster week-by-week that fits their needs (12 pitchers vs. 11 depending on looming off-days, etc. Players who can't be sent down like Casilla and Wuertz make this difficult, so it's crucial for teams to carry a few major-league quality pitchers who can shuttle back and forth between AAA and the bigs as necessary during the year).
b.) If he thrives, and proves to be a long-term asset, the team can offer him arbitration and has contractual control over him for a few years to come. Sisco isn't close to the requisite six years of service to become a free agent. This, in essence, could make him a potential future asset of the club via trade.
c.) His age (26) suggests that he may still have a few peak years in front of him. If Sisco can once again be the pitcher he was in '05, he won't need to be used merely as a LOOGY - he can be an effective reliever against all hitters and work a full inning each time out.
d.) He might give AL hitters a unique look that they simply don't see anywhere else in the league, making him difficult to hit.
e.) He'll come cheaply (less than $1M), due to the health and effectiveness concerns.
Clearly, my realistic vote for the final spot on the A's 40-man roster is Andy Sisco. What's yours, AN? Vote in the poll below.
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I would wait to do anything
No need to use the roster spot now. May as well have some flexibility during Spring when anything can happen.
I like Sisco and would happily sign him
But Sisco is not going to be a huge upgrade unless he succeeds and is put in the rotation. If it becomes a choice of OCab vs. Sisco I choose OCab. But if Sisco can be signed to MiLB contract, great. I still have a sneaking suspicion the A’s will give Mulder a look too. There’s still a few dregs on the 40 man though: Chen, Gray, etc. I’m not worried about lack of space on it.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Except Jeff Gray does fill that need of pitcher-with-options
by thejd44 on Feb 6, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
But not the need of pitcher-with-skills
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
NSJ...
…resident roster management-guru. Great post as always.
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
thank you sir
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 7, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions
Randy Johnson's innocent victim
This is kind of pathetic, but I just went to wikipedia to check to see if the bird he killed was in fact a pigeon (I remembered it as a sea gull)…and on Unit’s wiki page, the sacrificed bird is listed as a…dove. Heh, I think that part could use some editing
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
as for Sisco
even in his strongest year, 2005, his WHIP was 1.46. I don’t know if I’d support this signing. I’d like to see another lefty added, and the class is weak, but I don’t know if Sisco would be the answer.
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
The future home of the A's is dedicated to him
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Nope
That’s Sisqó.
And the guy from Star Trek: Deep Space 9 is Sisko.
And the San Jose tech company that wants to sponsor the new A’s ballpark is Cisco
And the food corporation that supplies restaurants is Sysco.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 6, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sisco does not have good control
I’m not sure how he’d be a better bet than Gio, Outman et al “who need to throw more strikes and they’ll be ok.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Sisco's control makes Gio look like f***ing Glavine
I do not want the A’s wasting a roster spot on jank like Sisco.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Reyes
I’d rather sign Dennys Reyes to a 1-Year Deal.
Devine
Ziegler
Springer
Blevins
Reyes
Wuertz
Casilla
I love Fat Lefty pitchers. I also think Outman could “win” a job in the bullpen as the “Long Man”, which would mean one of the guys listed above will start the year on the DL. My guess is Casilla.
I'd take Reyes too
And I’d go with Outman over Casilla, trying to deal Casilla or pass him through waivers to try to send him to AAA.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Sign him. The A's need help at center and power forward
wait what
The nuts and bolts of gameplay are apocalyptic failures, but the awfulness doesn’t stop there. Managing games is utterly pointless. [Feb 2009, p.85]
And judging by his control, he's not likely good from 3 either
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
eww...
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 7, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno what kind of contract he is looking for
but if he’s coming off of surgery, I’m guessing an MiLB Contract is possible. If we could get him on one of those, then my answer is a resounding YES. If not, I’d wait it out until we see what happens with O Cab and the rest of our players vying for that spot.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
Plus
I know most everyone is into FIP now, and even though I am too, I can’t help but notice that 1.32 career minor league WHIP. For a reliever, that isn’t so hot, especially a reliever in the minor leagues coming off of surgery. As of right now, he’s not slam dunk to actually be effective, he just has upside.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Feb 6, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
Look, if my boss sent me on assignment to Mexico,
you better well believe I’ll be eating tacos first thing in the workday.
(get your mind out of the gutter, monkeyboy)
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
Personally, I'd rather sign an aging LOOGY journeyman with a low strikeout rate
Looking for “upside” from bullpen pitchers is a fool’s errand. Even in the unlikely event that they show it, what’s it gained you— a win? At most? More likely, you end up with… well, with players who pitch like Andy Sisco.
The final roster spot should go to either Dunn or Cabrera, depending on who is willing to sign the most team-friendly contract relative to his talent level.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I'd really like them to sign Dunn, but only if they can un-sign Giambi.
by thejd44 on Feb 6, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Prefer the pitcher unless
we are looking at signing Cabrera. Infield is still in need of help as is the pitching staff. Sorry, but as nice as Dunn would be, we already have enough outfielders.
Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN
by Charlie Brown on Feb 6, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
I know, but signing him means the team can trade Holliday and still have a slugging corner OF
I’d try to interest him in a deal of something like 4 years, $28 million. He is, as you rightly point out, basically a supernumerary for next season, so the contract has to be long-term to be worth anything.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
how about signing dunn AND cabrera
and then trading one of the 1b/of/dh guys for a starting pitcher?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
If I thought that was a realistic possibility, I'd advocate it
but it isn’t.
Actually, I’d prefer to just sign Dunn and then trade Holliday for a starting pitcher, but that’s just not on the table right now. That trade just looks worse and worse the longer the offseason goes on.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Even the A's have to realize how angry the fanbase would become
if they were sold tickets on the notion that Holliday would be a member of the 2009 A’s (and make no mistake, he has been extensively marketed as such) and he was traded before becoming such. People do not like being bait-and-switched.
It’s politically impossible for the A’s to trade Holliday until and unless the 2009 team is clearly out of contention.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
It was politically impossible to deal Harden and Blanton
with the team in contention at the break, but that didn’t stop Beane from doing what he thought was best for the team.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Nonsense
The A’s had been priming the fanbase for those moves for months. They sure as hell weren’t selling “Harden ticket packs.” (Probably because the idea of buying tickets months in advance to see Rich Harden might be seen as a particularly sick joke.)
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Do you really think if a team made a
“too good to pass up” offer for Holliday – a Mulder or Haren level “steal” – that Billy would say no?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yep.
I have little doubt he’d pull the trigger, and even less doubt he’d be able to sell it to the fan base. Beane makes politicians look like awkward, nervous stutterers that couldn’t spin something if it was on a swivel.
Add that to fact that they’re abandoning the current fan base for greener pastures anyway, and I can see no equation in which the impact of trading Holliday again is even considered, much less worried about.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
First off, no one's going to offer that
Beane was able to get those packages by holding a talent auction, in which he could pick and choose from among the best offers available. And they had more trade value than Holliday does, since they were inked to longer, more team-friendly contracts.
Second, I don’t see any evidence that Beane is even fielding trade offers for him. It’s hard to trade for a guy if the team that owns him isn’t dealing.
Third, if these “steals” were out there, why the hell didn’t the Rockies take them? Answer: they aren’t.
Fourth, there’s a difference between the typical optimistic pabulum of rebuilding teams, and actual fraud. Oh, I’m sure the A’s have their legal asses covered thoroughly, but… selling tickets on a premise and then removing that premise before the season starts is fraud. There’s no way around that.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I don't think for a moment that Holliday will be dealt
The question was whether Beane would take the right offer if approached, and my answer is I think he’d consider it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That's a much different argument than the one you posed originally.
And a better one, for that matter, about why a Holliday deal isn’t on the table. The idea that Beane would ever turn down a good offer for any player is what’s nonsense.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
If someone came along and inexplicably offered far too much for him
I’m sure Beane would take it.
But a “fair” offer? A “market price” offer? It won’t be accepted. The reason why it won’t be accepted is that the cost to the A’s (given the inevitable fan anger) outweighs the benefits. In order for that not to be the case, the other team is going to have to substantially overpay.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I agree it would be harder
but if it filled an area of great need, such as shortstop or the rotation, I can’t say I agree with you.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
yeah, i meant holliday for a pitcher
obviously dunn/giambi couldn’t be traded at the moment.
i think the a’s front office is willing to make moves that are best for the team but may be unpopular with fans (hudson, mulder, haren, swisher).
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
nah! sorry jd44.....thees no happen, mang.
;-)
"God made Majnun love Layla so much that just her dog would cause confusion in him."
The Many Wines-Rumi
Totally incongruent place
to ask this, but has anyone heard of any updates on FDLS and when he’s supposed to start throwing again? I think he had TJ surgery last May.
"Good or bad, I don't know. This is awesome." ~Nick Swisher after being asked if it was wise to poor beer on Lew Wolfe's head.
Yes
He’s not on track to return at the start of the season, but they expect he’ll be throwing in a full-season league by June or so.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
he also just had like four kids
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
wow he is tough if nothing else
The nuts and bolts of gameplay are apocalyptic failures, but the awfulness doesn’t stop there. Managing games is utterly pointless. [Feb 2009, p.85]
That's what happens when you take way too much of The Clear
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
QOTM
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.
by shooting4life on Feb 6, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
My vote is for one of the latter two options
This teams needs an upgrade in the rotation. That upgrade could be one of the MACs, a free agent, or a dumb roster move by another team. I think our bullpen is solid, and I don’t think Cabrera is worth it.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
left handed relievers
i think the current bullpen will have plenty of guys who can face left handed batters, even if they’re RHPs.
and outman may also be in there if he doesn’t make the rotation.
the final roster spot should be dunn or, more likely, cabrera.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Poochini's better tonight!
I don’t know how many chances I’ll have to say that so I’m going to say it. He’s doing some of the things he used to do, like grab at offered food, dig at his doggie bad and blankie, not collapse in a heap and try to die, that kind of thing. “Kisses therapy” may be working – either that or it could be the medicine.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Truth be told, I was expecting he may not last the weekend,
and now I’m back to just hoping he lives forever. Likely it will actually be something in between.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Good news Nico.
glad to hear your doggy-dawg is feeling a bit more on the up-and-up. Plus, Poochini is just such a pimp-ass name, yo!
Cheers! -M-Rod
"God made Majnun love Layla so much that just her dog would cause confusion in him."
The Many Wines-Rumi
Today, not so good.
:-(
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Stay positive mate.......and just enjoy every minute. :)
"God made Majnun love Layla so much that just her dog would cause confusion in him."
The Many Wines-Rumi


























