A's Manager Geren Says All The Right Things - And Backs It Up
Over the two seasons Bob Geren has served as A's manager, I have actually come to conclude that by and large he really has the right ideas both on the macro ("general philosophies") and micro ("tactitian") levels.
Fans, of course, will always remember the blunders. I didn't like the anointing of Alan Embree as "the 8th inning guy" early in the 2008 season, because Embree was better against lefties, able to go more than one inning, and not that "lights out" overall - and so I was screaming "FIRE GAREN NOW!!!111" when he let Embree serve up a booming double to Vernon Wells and then a mammoth game-tying HR to Frank Thomas, when pretty much any other reliever would have been a better choice for that particular inning. But you know what? If you manage 162 games, you will make some mistakes. The question is how many do you make, and do you general have the right idea? And overall, I think Geren has a pretty keen sense of how to manage a baseball team.
The biggest weaknesses I have seen in the A's game, Geren has noted and addressed publicly. Two years ago, he said the A's needed to run more to keep teams honest and create a better balance to the offensive attack, and that they needed to be more opportunistic about going first-to-third. Geren backed it up by with 2007-08 teams that chose more spots to add the running game to their toolbox, not a bad idea when your offense lacks a lot of good hitters or much power.
In 2008, Geren focused on the team's two-strike approach and has continued the refrain into the 2009 Cactus League season: He wants to see better two-strike approaches from his hitters. Now a good way to improve your team's two-strike approach is to replace Jack Hannahan and Emil Brown with Eric Chavez and Matt Holliday, and a bad way is to tell Jack Cust he needs to start slapping the ball when he's behind in the count. But Geren is referring to neither phenomenon. He's talking about "being intentional" - taking a look at who the hitter is and what the situation is, and if you're Daric Barton and putting the ball in play is of premium importance in a given at-bat, your style and the situation demand that you be better at protecting the plate than at staring down the umpire. Geren's point, I believe, is, "Know who you are as a hitter and know what the situation is, and make your at-bat reflect both." I couldn't agree more that this is an area the returning players can, and need to, improve upon, and Geren is on it.
As far as pitching is concerned - when to remove a starter and which reliever to go to when - I think pretty every team's fans widely believe their manager uniquely has no clue. In fact, it's generally a good idea to try to get at least 5 innings out of your starter if you possibly can, and the bullpen game is often one of "two good choices" or "two bad choices," i.e., more often than not a pitcher makes a manager look better or worse than he actually is based on how he performs. Geren is open to being flexible, not running a given closer out there "just cuz" and occasionally surprising with a 3-inning stint from Ziegler or playing the "hot hand" for a couple hitters, but he's also wise enough not to draw undue attention to himself by constantly reinventing "The Book."
In summary, when it comes to strategy it's natural to think, and usually pretty easy to "prove," that your team's manager is strategically impaired. In fact, I've seen way more to like about Geren than I've seen to criticize and I expect that if he's given a healthy team for a change, far from being part of the problem he'll be a part of what allows the A's to compete for the AL West crown.
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Better than Macha?!
Sacrilege. Why, Macha was a God! A veritable genius on the diamon…what? He what? He did?
Oh.
Nevermind.
Go Bob. Yay.
"Hot Goat Kraut Pants Day"--Monkeyball
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 24, 2009 7:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff, Nico
I’ve actually floated this as a post-idea around my head. Glad you beat me to it. As I’ve said in past game threads, I like when you come in around the sixth or seventh inning of a close game to guess/suggest what Geren might/should do.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 24, 2009 7:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good call.
Me too.
"Hot Goat Kraut Pants Day"--Monkeyball
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 24, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When I read a Nico post-game wrap,
I feel like I was there. Looking forward to more great work from him and baseballgirl on the game threads again this year. They put a tremendous amount of time into keeping AN great.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 24, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else start reading this and then go
“oh-of course it is good, it was written by the blogfather…” then completely freak out at the very idea?
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Feb 24, 2009 8:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Of course Nico would say this...
…now that he’s management around here! ;-)
by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 24, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me
of the New Yorker cartoon of the business meeting saying, “All those not in favor signify by saying ‘I quit.’”
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Feb 24, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nico
Nico Says All The Right Things – And Backs It Up
by Stew's Crew on Feb 24, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow we'll be screaming...
“FIRE NECO NOW!!!111”
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Feb 24, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And we will be unwafering in that opinion.
by oblique on Feb 24, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm the only Necco Wafer fan left in this world
Everybody I know thinks they’re the grossest candy ever. That’s why I’ve murdered everyone I know.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Feb 24, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remind me to stay away from you, then.
I don’t wanna be murderered…
"Hot Goat Kraut Pants Day"--Monkeyball
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 24, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A kindred spirit!
My wife has to search everywhere to pick me up my Necco’s. She even finds me the chocolate ones…
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Feb 24, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My grandma
Always used to get me those, for what reason I do not know. I hate to say it but if I wanted to eat chalk, I’d eat chalk.
[goes into hiding]
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Feb 24, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I eat them if they are offered
and I will buy them if I see them. I like the “coin concept” as a method of slowing consumption, so you don’t eat the whole purchase in about 15 seconds (typical for me with a “Heath Bar” or “Mounds”. The chalkiness is fine…it buffers the sugar a bit, which I can feel attacking my teeth.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 24, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The nostalgia factor is huge for me.
It’s really the only reason I will buy and eat conversation hearts. There are better candies, but none is more fitting for Valentine’s Day. Candy corn, on the other hand, is a highly concentrated kernel of awesomeness and memories.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Feb 24, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Candy Corn available as "bulk candy" at Safeway
now there’s a real effective tooth-rotter!!
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 24, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I’ll admit I wasn’t too excited when Geren was given the job over Washington or a couple of the other guys (I thought Hilman would’ve been an interesting choice) since I thought Bob would be just another Macha/Howe type. But he’s definitely changed my mind since then through his strategies and implementations. The fact that the past two teams have actually finished with those records is astounding to me. Factor in all the injuries (close to 50 DL trips in 2 years), the godawful players (DFA, Hannahan, etc…), trades, and strength of the AL itself and its incredible that we were in contention up until the ASB this past season. Kudos to Bob for keeping it all together!
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Feb 24, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Time will tell
To me this year is the test of Geren’s ability as a manager. On paper this is the best club he’s had and I’ll hold my judgement on him on how he does with this team. My biggest concern about him is I wonder if he can get tough when the need arises. He seems like a nice guy but sometimes you need to be a jerk to get things done.
by sirbed on Feb 24, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he was a catcher so that shouldnt be a problem
The Not-So-Casual Fan
by rktse on Feb 24, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You make a good case Nico
but he has had two losing seasons… As sirbed said, time will tell…
by demarius12 on Feb 24, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Umm...Agree to Disagree?
Yikes – the guy doesn’t know how to work a bullpen, AT ALL. He got lucky that Ziggy was so good and we traded Street…
But overall the guy deserves a chance to manage a season where all his best players aren’t traded midseason and see what he can do.
Still – why did he anoint Dallas Braden as the 4th starter? That guy hasn’t shown me much yet, and we got some studs coming up…
And why didn’t Gregorio Petit get to play? Every time he played, he got on base and scored runs.
And finally – I hope he’s just lying to us about Barton being in the mix – Unless Buck is atrocious, Buck/Giambi/Cust every day gives us the best chance to win.
I think he has a bad habit of giving guys too long of a leash. Although that might have just been a product of knowing the team wasn’t going anywhere anyways.
by Billy Frijoles on Feb 24, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I won't agree to disagree with that
Street is not a bad pitcher. Street is a good pitcher.
He actually hasn’t come all the way out and said “Dallas Braden is my 4th starter!” He has hinted at it and said he has a better chance than others of that happening and why shouldn’t he have that advantage? He pitched pretty well last year and is now a year older/wiser. I sure as hell wouldn’t proclaim that any of the MAC has a spot nailed down, same with Outman/Gio.
I’m also mystified with Petit, but it might be an organization-wide conspiracy here.
Why shouldn’t Barton be in the mix along with Buck? In case you missed it, Buck had just as bad (if not worse) season than Barton last year. Each of them could play a huge part in the team’s plans over the next few years so whoever outperforms the other should get to play.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Feb 24, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And giving your starters a short leash is a recipe for
long-term disaster when you ask way too much of your bullpen on a daily basis.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 24, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Geren fan
I hope that he eventually enjoys a Scoscia-like tenure, and I think he will.
One of my pet-peeves with managers is when they make the GM’s job more difficult by publicly advocating roster suggestions through the media. Picture Leyland, Pineilla, or Guillen griping to the media about the quality of their roster, the need for a new player to get them over the hump, etc. I personally don’t think those types of discussions should happen between a manager and reporters, and they don’t help the GM’s bargaining power/leverage. They also come across as a manager making excuses, IMO.
Geren wouldn’t ever say things like that publicly. He also wouldn’t ever publicly call out Beane in any way, I doubt.
Managing the A’s under the watchful eye of Beane isn’t for everyone, and Geren does it well. Many managers who are objectively good probably wouldn’t choose to manage in Oakland under Beane, and Billy wouldn’t want them either, because he seems to demand more control than most GMs.
So to have a good one who has a good working relationship with Beane is awesome.
I think Geren’s positive influence will only continue to grow as he becomes more entrenched year after year. In year 1, I’ll bet a few players viewed him as “Beane’s best man”/the nepotism hire – he was a first-year high school teacher who was given some seniors.
The farther away we get from that, and the longer he has the job, the more secure he’ll feel and the more players will respect him, I’d imagine.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 24, 2009 10:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree - and guys like Leyland are so overrated, IMO
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 25, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Bear Geren
It seems to me that Billy would want to manage the roster quite closely, even on a week-to-week basis. Given the former, Geren’s (AL) role is ,a majority of the time, setting the tone of the team and strategic player relations. His personality is perfect for this. I wish he could have told Embree not to throw so many damn fastballs….
by greenpaddedgloves on Feb 25, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs


























