AN Visits with MLB.com's Mychael Urban Part II
Last week Mychael Urban caused a bit of uproar around here with the first part of his interview with AN. This is the second part of my interview with the Oakland Athletics reporter for MLB.com. But before we get to that, Mychael wanted to address the situation from last week:
Before I tackle the rest of your questions, Blez, I want to thank the many people who read and weighed in on the first half of this interview. Obviously I'm something of a polarizing figure with your members, but I really do appreciate the passion and sense of humor with which even those who bash me express themselves. I read the site regularly and often find really thoughtful threads that shine the dim bulb in my head onto a story idea.
And message received: No more jokes. I thought it was pretty damn funny, but I understand why some people thought it was overkill. I would, however, like it known that I really wasn't as hacked off as it seemed to some. I was just rolling with a pretty silly situation. And as for the criticism of my work that appears on this site, I'm well aware that my profession makes me fair game for criticism, and I know what a subjective business I'm in. Some people think I'm good, some people think I'm a hack. That's fine. I just do my best. I know I make mistakes -- as I did in not realizing the market would collapse and bring Jason Giambi into the A's financial wheelhouse -- and when I do, nobody can make me feel worse than I already do.
So bring it. It's just baseball, right?
Thus endeth thy rant ... Mychael Urban
Blez: Was there anything behind moving Carlos Gonzalez? If someone is that talented and that much of a sure thing, why has he already been with three organizations?
Mychael Urban: The A's couldn't have gotten Holliday without giving up Gonzalez, whose talent is undeniable. If he reaches that potential, he's going to be a ridiculously good player. But aside from the fact that he was a must-get for Colorado in the deal, there might have been two reasons the A's were willing to part with him.
One is a straight company-line thing: The team really does have a lot of good young outfielders, so it was truly dealing from an organizational strength. Sweeney is clearly a keeper; my guess is that he'll be able to add home run power to an already impressive skill set with less of an inside-out swing. And at the risk of slapping the poor guy with my Crosby Curse, I think Buck is going to be a heck of a big leaguer, too. I'd love to see him eliminate all that movement in his setup, but even with it he was a heck of a hitter in the Minors, and it wouldn't shock me to see him hit 20 or so homers if he ends up with regular playing time. So that's conceivably two young studs -- Sweeney is still just 23, Buck 25 -- in your starting outfield for the next several years. Who's the third? I'm not sure, but I did like what little I saw out of Aaron Cunningham late last year, and he's 22. Richie Robnett can't seem to stay healthy, but he's still only 25 with a load of potential. And don't forget about Javier Herrera, another young (23!) but injury prone guy with true five-tool upside.
And hey, feel free to dream a little. Say everyone stays healthy this year, all of the team's young pitchers really throw down, and the offense is a beast. Say the A's make the playoffs, maybe win a series or two. Say the market still sucks next winter. Now say it out loud: Holliday re-signs. Sure, it's a reach of Inspector Gadget proportions, but even if it doesn't happen, I do think the A's outfield will be fine moving forward.
Here's the other possible reason Gonzalez has been moved not once, but twice: He's one of those players who makes everything look so easy at times, it almost looks like he's not going all-out. Fair or not, those types of players sometimes get labeled as lazy, selfish or uncoachable.
Remember Carlos Pena? Similar deal. I'm not saying the A's feel that way about Gonzalez, but it is possible.
Blez: Huston Street claimed that he figured out his mechanical issues and his September seemed to prove that as his numbers were pretty damn good again. Will he return to form at Coors Field or has he seen better days?
Urban: I fully expect Huston to have a nice year with the Rockies, and I don't think he gets enough credit for playing with pain while he was in Oakland. Granted, sometimes it's in a team's best interest for a player who isn't at his best physically to shut it down. But trust me, guys who shut it down and say they're doing what's best for the team get accused of being a member of the feline family in a hurry.
A lot of Huston's mechanical issues were health-related; he'd try to pitch through a minor injury by making delivery adjustments that made the injury playable. A lot of pitchers do it, and the problem comes when the injury heals, because by then the muscle memory has often locked in the adjustment, making it difficult to go back to the original delivery.
By September, Huston was 100 percent healthy. He'd gotten his mechanics back to where they were in 2005-06, too, and the results -- 1.74 ERA in nine appearances -- lead me to believe that as long as he stays healthy, he'll win Colorado's closer job and do very well. He's only 25 years old, he's an exceptionally bright young man, and I think his best work is actually ahead of him.
Blez: The A's have quite the mess at 1B, DH and left field now. Does Cust play left field most of the time in 2009? Does Barton perhaps go to Sacramento if he doesn't have a good spring? Or is he even possibly moved? How does this situation shake out?
Urban: Holliday has never played anything BUT left field in the majors, so that's where he'll be with the A's. It's right field that factors into the situation with which Bob Geren will have to wrestle until people play their way into set roles.
Personally, I'm big on having the same lineup every day. So is virtually every player on the planet -- as long as that player is starting. Baseball is a game of routines, and players chafe if part of their daily routine is cruising past the clubhouse corkboard to see if they're in the lineup. But the A's have been juggling situations like this for years, whether it's three guys competing for playing time at first base and DH, five guys thinking they deserve to start in the outfield or some other combination. The A's always say they're OK with it, that versatility and that having "too many good players" isn't a problem. I can think of a couple instances in which I disagreed with the notion that some of the players in question were all that good, but things do generally work out. Guys get hurt. Guys rake. Guys stink. Problem solved.
All things being healthy and equal, I'd go with power, experience and outfield defense to start the season: Jason Giambi at first base, Cust at DH, Travis Buck in right, Barton coming off the bench. I definitely wouldn't send Barton to Sacramento. There's so much he can learn from Jason, and it's not like Jason is going to play 145 games at first -- he'll DH some, Cust will play some outfield, and Buck will sit some.
Four guys for three spots really isn't all that big of a mess, in my opinion. They'll all get enough at-bats.
Blez: Should the A's be concerned about stunting someone like Travis Buck or Aaron Cunningham by having a Cust-Sweeney-Holliday outfield?
Urban: Again, if those are the three guys in the outfield, it'll be Holliday-Sweeney-Cust, left to right And I have no doubt that Travis is going to play a lot no matter what. Cunningham might be better served by opening the season at Triple-A; he only played there for 20 games last year, so I don't think he'd be stunted at all by spending a full year at that level.
And at this point, I'd be more comfortable with Rajai Davis as my fifth outfielder because of his speed and defense.
Blez: Is there any other move the A's might make that might surprise us?
Urban: Good question. Adding another reliever, which the team definitely would like to do for the right price, wouldn't qualify as a surprise. The Orlando Cabrera rumors mildly persist, and that would be a massive surprise, but I don't see him as a dramatic improvement at shortstop, and I don't see the A's giving up the top draft pick -- Cabrera is a Type A free agent -- it would take to get him.
That leaves adding another bat as the only surprise possibility, but adding one of the bats still out there (Abreu and Dunn are probably the best aside from Manny) definitely would stunt someone, so I'd say it's unlikely.
Blez: The A's made a decision to implement a health program last year around this time with the goal of making a difference in the team's health issues yet once again the team was breaking records for using the DL. This has been something like three or four years in a row where the injury issue has gotten progressively worse. People can talk all they want about signing Giambi, trading for Holliday, but this team will wind up having its third straight losing season if they don't get healthy somehow. What is the issue in your opinion and what would you do to rectify things?
Urban: Short of a complete house-cleaning, I'm not sure there's much more the team can do. They made the changes to which you alluded and also re-assigned the head trainer before last year, and they ditched their longtime strength-and-conditioning coach this winter. Maybe that will help.
As helpless a feeling as it must be, they just have to hope their luck changes. Not a very exciting answer, I know, but injuries are part of the game. If the trend continues, though, of course another losing season is a possibility. If Holliday, Giambi and Chavez are hurting for long, so will be the A's in general.
Blez: There has been some speculation on the Web that injuries have been up all over baseball because steroid testing came into play. Do you think there is any truth to that speculation?
Urban: I'd have to see some serious data to address that with any real depth, but based on what we know about the effects of long-term steroid use, the theory is certainly plausible. To be honest, the steroid story kind of glazes me over. I'm just glad there's a testing program with some teeth to it now, and if a test for HGH comes soon, I'll be the first in line asking if I can turn the ceremonial page on this ugly era in the game's history.
Blez: Is the team being foolhardy by chasing older guys like Giambi considering all the issues they're already dealing with?
Urban: I think Jason was close to a perfect signing. Really. They got him relatively cheap, they got him on a short-term deal, and I've seen first-hand what he can do for young, impressionable players and a mostly young team trying to find its way.
If he gets hurt, they have Barton waiting in the wings and the financial loss is minimal by baseball standards. Same thing if he stinks, which I seriously doubt will happen. If he rakes, the benefits are many. I don't see a downside.
Blez: What will the A's lineup and starting pitching wind up being in 2009?
Urban: The lineup depends on who is in right field and at first base. If it's Buck in right and Giambi at first, I see Buck or Sweeney leading off. Until very recently I figured Sweeney would bat second, but something one of your members posted in response to me thinking Cust would bat sixth swayed me a little. Given his on-base percentage, he might be a decent -- albeit highly unconventional in terms of bat control and running ability -- fit at in the two-hole to start setting the table. Plus, you want your big sticks to get as many at-bats in a game as possible, and you'd hate for the game to end with runners in scoring position and Cust on deck in the six-hole. So I'm changing my mind in the middle, because if Cust bats second, I'd assume Geren will want to go left-right-left and put Holliday in the No. 3 spot and Giambi batting cleanup. I'll stick with Chavez in the No. 5 spot, but I don't have a real strong feeling after that. I'd probably go with Crosby or Suzuki batting sixth because they bat from the right side and have decent pop; Sweeney or Buck seventh, Suzuki/Crosby eighth, and the second baseman batting ninth.
I'd love to say Mark Ellis will be ready for Opening Day, but I've been hearing a lot of qualified hedging about him lately, so that's a wait-and-see deal.
The early-season rotation will lead off with Duchscherer, of course. Sean Gallagher is the most talented of the guys coming back with big league experience, so he'll probably be the No. 2 or No. 3 guy, with Dana Eveland getting the other one of those spots. And Geren says Dallas Braden will have to lose a job rather than win one this spring, so pencil him in at No. 4, although I'm not entirely sold on him as a starter. That leaves one opening, and it's got Gio Gonzalez's name on it for now. But if any one or two of those back-end guys struggles early and any of the MACs -- great nickname one of you gave Mazzaro, Anderson and Cahill, by the way -- are carving at Sacramento, changes might come in a hurry.
Blez: Who will be the pitcher who pitched in the minors last year to make the biggest contribution to the big club in 09?
Urban: Sounds like a trick question, so I'll give a trick answer: Joey Devine.
Is that cheating? He did make four appearances for the River Cats last season. Anyway, I absolutely LOVE Devine's game and think he'll be the full-time closer sooner rather than later. Ziggy's game, in my opinion, is better suited for the seventh and eighth innings.
Blez: How would you grade the A's offseason?
Urban: I'll give it a strong B. They addressed their biggest 2008 weakness -- offense -- in a big way. They've gotten what appears to be a really solid setup man in Russ Springer, whose experience will really help the youngsters in the ‘pen -- I spoke with Ziggy today, and he said a friend of his who played with Springer called him the best teammate he'd ever had. What would have made it an A? Well, as much as I believe in Crosby, Furcal has long been one of my favorite players to watch. Furcal in the leadoff spot would have made what I think will be a very strong lineup downright scary.
Blez: Where will the team finish in the AL West in 2009?
Urban: Second place, 84-78, three to five games behind the Scioscias. For one thing, I'm conditioned to expect a big-time injury or two. Second, I just haven't seen enough to think the starting pitching can lead this A's team to a title.
But you know what? Beane's plan is solid, and I'm not being a house organ in any way here. This team is going in the right direction. And they're going to be a million times more fun to watch this year. It should be a pretty fun summer for AN. Cheers ...
Blez: Thank you, Mychael, for everything.
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this segment probably won't fetch 500 comments
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
by Cutthemullet on Feb 2, 2009 7:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Urban-
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to interview with Blez. You provide a unique and thoughtful perspective, and I’m happy we could hear some of it on my go-to A’s site.
(also: you make me feel warm and fuzzy when you admit to adopting AN opinions/nicknames. im glad we are friends again.)
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Feb 2, 2009 7:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
I would have been real, real impressed if he could have kept up the shtick all the way through these questions too.
Thanks for the Q&A.
by SkipT on Feb 2, 2009 7:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Me too, except that it wasn't that amusing in the first place....nor edgy...just kinda lame.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it might have become funny!
there goes my theory, anyway…
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE URBAN N....
oh, wait. Never mind.
"They’re a grubby looking bunch of caterwaulers" -Crazy Old Dude.
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 2, 2009 7:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I have more questions after these."-WaddellCanseco
by Gaijin_Suketto on Feb 2, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the interview to boh Urban and Blez
I pretty much agree with Urban, especially about the outfield and the reasons for trading Gonzalez (all positive, in my opinion).
by OaklandSi on Feb 2, 2009 8:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
good interview
And frankly, so much easier to read minus the shtick. I appreciate his preface letter, it was the appropriate and professional response. I value Urban’s opinions and insider perspective, but I have to say, I’ve never been a fan of his humor – no big deal. I still can’t imagine Cust hitting 2nd, his strikeouts would negate any positive effects of his higher OBP in that spot. I’d sooner put Suzuki in that spot.
by oakballnack on Feb 2, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1 re: Urban
This was so much more pleasant to read than Part I. I hope Mychael Urban understands that though we ANers can be an ornery lot, we do value his analysis…and we value it a lot more than his humor ;-)
by GreenNGoldSooner on Feb 2, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone look this up in The Book?
I don’t want to come out and say that strikeouts are relatively better in the #2 slot than in any other slot (apart from the damage-mitigating effect of players lower in the order getting fewer at-bats), but it sure seems likely to me.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To me, Jack Cust is an ideal #2 hitter.
#1. High OBP. He gets on base more than anyone else not named Holliday in the current lineup.
#2. Good SLG. When the lineup turns over, he’ll be a guy who can legitimately be counted upon to drive in runners.
#3. Low GB%. He’s not going to be hitting into very many double plays…
#4. Decent baserunner. He might be slow, but the metrics so far have shown that he’s not too bad of a baserunner.
#5. More PA’s. He’s the team’s second best hitter right now, and he’ll get more PA’s at #2 than at #5 or 6.
Done. Now can we stop talking about all of the damn strickouts!!?
by Jack Cust is valuable damnit on Feb 2, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i had a dream at the end of last season
that he hit a triple.
this is the year, jack!
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1 career triple
But damnit, it was special
by Jack Cust is valuable damnit on Feb 2, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did i miss that one?
i must have done.
i thought he was still on zero? or have i confused dreams and reality again
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least we're not still having the
“Is Jack Cust valuable?” debates. I hated those. I’d like to think that I personally put an end to those, but I’d be inflating my own ego. I like to think I’m the unnoticed and underrated powerhouse who has a few obvious flaws. Like a less obvious but almost nearly as valuable Adam Dunn.
by Jack Cust is valuable damnit on Feb 2, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
damn.
i agree. is what was attempting to say.
plus, he gives hope to us all! i must be only a few years away from my major league call up.
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey if frank thomas can do it...
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Feb 2, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From The Book, page 131
“That’s right, the #2 hitter’s preferred outs are strikeouts!”
Essentially because he is up w/a runner on 1st a lot, and GDPs are bad.
OTOH, the cleanup hitter is up with more runners in scoring position, so strikeouts are worse than a ball in play out.
by Josh Deletchi on Feb 3, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
I’m good at this. :p
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 4, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's more like it
This was a good interview and a great way to make amends. I completely admit my wrongitudeness in saying he shouldn’t be asked back for further interviews. I overreacted and since we’re in the spirit of apologizing, I offer my regret for that remark. Thank you Mychael for the interview and keep that beating going.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Feb 2, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Several quick thoughts while reading the interview
— I certainly hope, and assume management didn’t, trade Gonzalez because his “make-it-look-easy” style left them convinced he wasn’t or won’t try very hard. The only prized prospect I ever felt that way about was Ben Grieve. He’s the only A’s player I ever booed, because he jogged over to try to catch a foul ball that he had a chance to reach and I was tired of that act. I don’t have that impression about Gonzalez, and Urban didn’t really even argue that it’s true. None of that means he’s going to be a star, but that’s a different issue.
— I forgot that Ryan Sweeney was so young.
— Cust in right field a lot. Shudder.
— He’s probably right about Street, although I didn’t know how he will deal with Coors Field.
— One gets the definite impression the A’s, via management’s own comments and the beat writers’, are setting us up for one of the promising young arms to make an early appearance. Mazzaro seems like the most likely, and most sensible candidate, based on his experience and performance to date.
— The comment about Mark Ellis worries me a bit.
— The trouble with some of Urban’s suggestions (Barton off the bench, one of the young guns appearing early) is that they make a lot more sense for the 2009 team than for the future. But we’ll see.
by bear88 on Feb 2, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I forgot that Javier Herrera was so young!
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 2, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Grieve was just really really really slow
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Feb 2, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have it on good authority that he doesn't like baseball.
:-|
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 2, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Common among A's RoY's, I guess.
"They’re a grubby looking bunch of caterwaulers" -Crazy Old Dude.
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 2, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He smoked about 6 cigarettes a game, too.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Feb 2, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you mean Adam Dunn?
"God made Majnun love Layla so much that just her dog would cause confusion in him."
The Many Wines-Rumi
by mrod on Feb 2, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sans Grieve?
"God made Majnun love Layla so much that just her dog would cause confusion in him."
The Many Wines-Rumi
by mrod on Feb 2, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
street + coors field = poo
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a career high in ERA say, somewhere around 5.00
he will get hammered hard if he stays in Colorado.
by oakballnack on Feb 2, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wtf, 5?? do you want to bet on that?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Feb 3, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree xbh
Street has come back enough that he should only blow about 3-4 saves out of 40 chances, IMO.
I think he gave up enough HRs last year when he wasn’t physically right, to learn from those mistakes.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Urban & Blez
Thanks for Part II.
Mychael, special thanks for the opening statement/clarification. Clearly, you have some of the best access to the A’s front office and players, so your opinions/impressions are read with a bit more scrutiny. Anyways, I appreciate your willingness to partake in our little community.
"RIP: UserID: 553"
by Masaryk on Feb 2, 2009 8:43 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
good interview
actually lots of interesting info there. but a few things.
i dunno about barton not getting everyday playing time. it worries me that he’ll struggle to find his stroke in limited time and lose all confidence.
if giambi is a 1st and cust is in right, tweeners between the two are going to be ugly.
not to knock on urban, but i wonder if he knows the a’s 1st pick is protected and if that would change his view of a cabrera signing.
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Feb 2, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
don't think we'll have a situation where Cust and Giambi both play the field at the same time
i mean, one of will always be DH, no?
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya
i’d guess at some point next year tho there will be a cust/giambi lineup with both in the field. and it will be ugly. /urban seems to think itll happen
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Feb 2, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only way I can see that possibly happening is if Chris Carter hits 45 home runs in AA next year
and gets called up in September for a few games.
I mean, think about it. Who is worse than one of those two in the field?
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bring back frank thomas!
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking something along the lines of
chavvy hitting well, but not feeling well enough to handle third. or maybe an off day for an outfielder, so we plug cust in. im certainly not advocating it. im just guessing that it might happen
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Feb 2, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they'll line up any outfielder off days with days Giambi is resting
you will never see Giambi and Cust in the field at the same time unless there is an emergency….
by scatterbrian on Feb 2, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about interleague play?
There are nine sans DH games this year for the A’s. For those games it’ll be great that our DH’s at least have a fielding position. Could see a Cust/Giambi fielding combo then. Although, looking at the parks for those games (AT&T, Dodger, Petco) it might not be a good idea to skimp on D.
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack
by GoA's on Feb 2, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*in non-interleague games
the point was that there shouldn’t be a third option at DH with Cust/Giambi available.
by scatterbrian on Feb 3, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So much better, I actually read for baseball content...
And good opening paragraph explaining himself. Well done, nice recovery.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Feb 2, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cheers Mate
At least you’re not in Billy’s shoes… that guy knows about getting critiqued! That guy ties his shoes wrong in the morning, leading to a trade rumour about needing a fast leadoff hitter with Juan Pierre as the primary target.
This is turn causes the AN faithful to put their hands to the keyboards for the impending apocalypse… and whoever said that quip about what they would do to his Grandmother was out of line and a CGV smacks them in the forehead.
So enjoy being a couple rungs down the totem pole from AN’s Most Wanted.
The Stockton Ports pitching staff is better than the Orioles.
by gdub171 on Feb 2, 2009 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Thanks Mychael. This interview was much more enjoyable to read and interesting.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Feb 2, 2009 9:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to add my voice of appreciation
to the mix. Interesting read, and a nice opening paragraph to put the first half of the interview behind us.
Thanks for the inside info. The Ellis comment is very scary as our current backup plan at 2B is someone that is not likely considered good enough to replace Crosby at SS — and we know how Billy currently feels about Crosby.
by AsFanInLA on Feb 2, 2009 9:27 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
All the more reason to sign Cabrera
Like it or not, Cabrera/Crosby is a more acceptable stopgap than Crosby/Pennington by a damn sight.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to say Mark Ellis will be ready for Opening Day, but I’ve been hearing a lot of qualified hedging about him lately, so that’s a wait-and-see deal.
AHHHHHHHH!!!
by whiteshoes40 on Feb 2, 2009 9:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!11
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King
by batgirl on Feb 3, 2009 6:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
{{{whimper}}}
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Feb 3, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SOB!
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Feb 3, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
which letters does one use
to make that sound of teeth grinding?
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My first time scrolling past, I read this as "what is the sound of one tooth grinding"
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 4, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Before reading the rest of the Q&A...
…kudos to Urban for the comments at the top. I do think humor can be very hit or miss in text alone and I’m sure he thought the drunk jokes were hilarious. Some were good, some just carried it on too far. It happens.
But with a few extra words here I think he showed he handled the reaction pretty well when he could’ve just blown it off.
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by Flashfire on Feb 2, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, Flashfire
I think Mychael handled the situation well with his leadoff missive to the AN assemblage….
What is this “group” here on the AN board, anyway???
A gaggle, a murder, a herd, a freely-formed association, a collection in the trap of a verbal sewage system…???
Anyway, I enjoyed the baseball Q&A . Solid opinions on a number of (Blez’s) thoughts. Well done.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 2, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yo flash
you offered your T’s over here on AN? best baseball shirt ever!
by oakballnack on Feb 2, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. I had seven dozen of them made.
Turned out to be a pretty cool project and reaction for a simple design.
Thanks.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Feb 2, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly . . .
Urban took the high road here after being pelted with needless and undeserving criticism. He could have gone the other way, told AN to fuck off and never come back. That would have been a bummer because even though I don’t always agree with him, I think it’s pretty cool to have the A’s official beat writer contribute to this site.
"Good or bad, I don't know. This is awesome." ~Nick Swisher after being asked if it was wise to poor beer on Lew Wolfe's head.
by humdinger on Feb 2, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m baffled by much of the criticism of Urban, because the alternative to having him come by is not “a much better analyst,” it’s “nothing.” It makes no pragmatic sense to attempt to drive him away.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
Considering that he was a pitcher in college, he has some insight from a playing perspective, and his USF experience gives him some “cred” inside the A’s clubhouse (relative to many sportswriters, IMO). It would be a large loss for us all if he just disappeared from AN.
But I believe, reading what he wrote, that Mychael understands that the world of blogs and the internet in general is a pretty caustic place. <=My opinion.
One simply has to have good perspective, more than a small measure of self-esteem, or all slingshots and arrows will not bounce off, they’ll remain in one’s back for some time.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 2, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that the playing perspective thing is particularly valuable
I won’t go so far as to say it’s a detriment, but I see no evidence that playing baseball gives any positive insight into player evaluation. As evidence, I present ESPN’s BBTN TV crews.
What is valuable is the fact that Urban takes some of the weird ideas that people posit here and actually bounces them off the A’s execs, sometimes coming up with useful info well in advance of when we could have figured it out (like the A’s generally blase attitude toward signing a veteran starter this offseason).
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The playing perspective thing *is* valuable though.
For exactly the reason that O1L1 gives.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 2, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, I'm not much of a fan of that theory of value
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if it gives him greater access to players,
and makes players more comfortable and candid around him, it is valuable.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 2, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That "value" is entirely based on other people confusedly thinking that it's valuable
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
People aren't confused if THEY see value.
Urban: Hold on. That cougar in the corner is TOTALLY checking me out. Should I send her a mimosa? Do I slip the wedding ring off and hope she doesn't see the tan line, or is she old enough to not care?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Feb 2, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I tell you that my watch emits secret rays that make you a genius,
and you buy my watch for $100, are you seriously suggesting to me that you are not “confused into seeing value?”
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he believes it emits secret rays that make him a genius,
and lives a much happier life due to his enhanced self-esteem, well…who’s to say there wasn’t value?
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by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could say the exact same thing about the stock market.
Ignoring the reality of it won’t make you a better investor.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 3, 2009 2:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if I owned stocks that were valued higher
than the market itself then from my perspective there would be value. That really isn’t the same thing but thought I would mention it anyway. A personal analysis of Urban’s opinions not having value isn’t “factual” just because PaulThomas perceives those opinions as meritless. PaulThomas doesn’t have facts to support his opinion in this case and neither do I.
Urban: Hold on. That cougar in the corner is TOTALLY checking me out. Should I send her a mimosa? Do I slip the wedding ring off and hope she doesn't see the tan line, or is she old enough to not care?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Feb 3, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You must not like Moneyball then
since the whole point of the book was to identify items which were systematically undervalued, and then buy those items and win baseball games.
If value is simply what anyone is willing to pay for an item at a given time, it’s definitionally true that there’s no such thing as an undervalued commodity.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 3, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that is based on setting goals and demonstrating a result
In Moneyball, winning games is defined as the goal and players are valued accordingly.
By what standard are you evaluating sports reporters? If your position is that being a former jock is overrated, then you need to make the case that it really doesn’t make players more likely to talk to them, not just that it only does so because the players are deluded.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 4, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of being the recipient of a FJM-esque flaming
You freely admit that you have never played baseball competitively.
Athletes/jocks tend to gravitate toward other athletes/jocks. Even ones who aren’t really athletes/jocks any longer.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 2, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're right
It certainly gives someone an advantage in uncovering information. What I was getting at is that it doesn’t particularly give that someone an advantage in processing that information.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah that I agree with.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 3, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta agree with you there mike v.
Like it or not it does indeed happen.
"God made Majnun love Layla so much that just her dog would cause confusion in him."
The Many Wines-Rumi
by mrod on Feb 2, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're certainly right about the BBTN crew
but if the playing perspective isn’t particularly valuable, baseball has to be one of a very few things in the world where doing it doesn’t make you better informed than someone who doesn’t.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 2, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with that statement,
although I suspect that the number of activities that fit into that category is a lot larger than you might think. (“Gambling” and “management” spring to mind…)
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
better informed compared to...?
the average person, who probably doesn’t even follow baseball? sure.
the average casual baseball fan? sure.
but i’ll take the baseball-related opinions of someone who has spend a lot of time analyzing baseball over someone who has spent a lot of time playing baseball any day.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Feb 3, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what i mean is
john kruk the former professional baseball player certainly knows a lot ore about baseball than alternative universe john kruk, who is a truck driver or construction worker and watches the occasional game at his local bar.
but that doesn’t mean he knows more than rob neyer.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Feb 3, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"a lot More"
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Feb 3, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
alternate universe....hmmmm
this is a bit late at night for a “second universe” donchathink??!!
I see you are having trouble, stuck halfway between two universes now…
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
The only parallel I can think of in business is outside “consultants” brought in to analyze businesses and make recommendations. My experiences with them is that they invariably f^&* things up.
That said, a stupid baseball player is going to have a harder time relating meaningful information than a smart desk jockey, a la Kruk and Neyer.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 3, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Baseball Tonight" is the same as any other television show
Scripted, dumbed down for a median 12-yr-old mind, with more commercials than content. So don’t present BBTN when you talk about sportswriters. I usually watch BBTN only to see how wrong that ex-GM for the Mets can be.
When I say “insight from a playing perspective” it’s more than “I, a sportwriter, am an expert on baseball, because I was a baseball player.” It might be as simple as saying to a pitcher, “I had a line-drive like that in college, through the box, too, but it took my cap off!” Knowing that a guy has been out there on the mound, that player might say the next time around, “You know how it is when…” and the player gives the writer a lot more than “They put their pants on one leg at a time, just like us..”
I mean, with Susan Slusser, if she writes that “one leg at a time” business ONE MORE TIME I’m gonna…..:^) …..jk.
A player might discuss in depth the grip on the ball, a blister, anything, if he feels the writer has a certain empathy that players have for other players. It may not be every conversation, but snippets over time accumulate, and IMO it is an edge to be a player/former player above the HS-level, as a writer. I don’t believe Mychael Urban would have gotten the depth he gave to the Three Stooges Aces in his book, if he had not been known to Mulder, Zito, and Haren Harden Tim Hudson as a college-level pitcher.
I know, let’s have Ziggy write about it!
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice finish Mychael, and thanks as usual Blez
This raises two questions for me
1. If Ellis starts the season on the… er I mean if we need another option for a few games at 2b, will Patterson make and appearance? Would he be a suitable sub?
2. If Barton and Buck both mash this spring can Buck play a serviceable CF?
The A’s do seem to be in a tough position of not having much flexibilty at the crucial defensive positions to add pop to the lineup if Ellis or Sweeney are ineffective. Though I guess if Sweeney sucks we could see Raj Davis in CF and a lot of Cust in Left.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 2, 2009 10:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
or Cust in RF
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 2, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why doe severybody want to get rid of Sweeney in center? I like him over Buck
by BIGa's on Feb 2, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All things being equal the choice between Sweeney's bat and Buck's bat in the lineup is a no brainer
Maybe Sweeney will develop more power but right now Buck is just an all around better hitter. IMHO
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 2, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm brain dead because I think Sweeney is a better hitter :-)
Urban: Hold on. That cougar in the corner is TOTALLY checking me out. Should I send her a mimosa? Do I slip the wedding ring off and hope she doesn't see the tan line, or is she old enough to not care?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Feb 2, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not "brain dead"
but you’re definitely not forming your opinion based on reality.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's early for both players but what huge variance do you see?
I know that Sweeney doesn’t have a lot of power but he could be a great leadoff hitter.
Urban: Hold on. That cougar in the corner is TOTALLY checking me out. Should I send her a mimosa? Do I slip the wedding ring off and hope she doesn't see the tan line, or is she old enough to not care?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Feb 2, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 37 points of career wOBA seems pretty huge to me
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree that past results are an indicator of future
performance but power numbers could improve at age 25. I guess that could translate that Buck’s numbers could also improve at a higher rate but his O-fer last year scared the crap out of me.
Urban: Hold on. That cougar in the corner is TOTALLY checking me out. Should I send her a mimosa? Do I slip the wedding ring off and hope she doesn't see the tan line, or is she old enough to not care?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Feb 3, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SNTS
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 3, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, if the shoe fits
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 2, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not everybody does
want to get rid of Sweeney in centerfield. He’s the better fielder in center and he’s a better all-around hitter than Buck right now . There’s room for both of these guys. They’re both young with high ceilings.
by jdub69 on Feb 2, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, does "better all-around hitter" now mean something other than
“hitter who makes your team score more runs”?
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Concession of substantive position followed by ad hominem attack?
I win.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 3, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Random thoughts through this
- agreed on the way Gonzalez made it look so easy out there
- “member of the feline family” – love it
- also, agreed on his thoughts about Street
- agreed on Barton learning from Giambi being better than Barton being in Sacramento
- I also like the Cust-Holliday-Giambi-Chavez sequence for 2-5
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by Flashfire on Feb 2, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or...
The Buck/Sweeney duo leading off, possibly Suzuki 2nd like it was suggested, and the Cust through Chavez order from 3-6. Hmmm.
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by Flashfire on Feb 2, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
another great 1/2 interview
I agree with almost everything said, except the part about Buck hitting lead-off. He’ll have to show some great improvement at the bottom of the order before getting that promotion. Sweeney, if he continues off what he did last year, has the tools to hit lead-off, as does Kurt Suzuki once in awhile.
by charm3x on Feb 2, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also remember that Sweeney was batting over 300 until he had the two injuries and he still played good ball.
I can see him putting up over 300 ba and if he talks to Holliday and Giambi he may change his swing and find his power.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Feb 2, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1, I need to see more good stuff from Buck before I get excited about his play again
Good interview and I think Sweeney and Suzuki are probably our best lead-off candidates right now. Suzuki is our best right-handed hitter after Holliday unless Ellis or Crosby turn themselves around (Ellis physically and Crosby mentally).
by worldblee on Feb 2, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job all the way 'round, Mychael
I for one am very interested in hearing more detail about Ellis — and I’m also struck by the near-complete absence of info/opinion on the health of Chavez in both interviews.
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
by monkeyball on Feb 2, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
chavy says he's never felt better...
but that’s what a guy coming off major sugery is supposed to say. maybe he stayed away from commenting because he is still a question mark. or maybe he got wasted and forgot.
i was wong to do that stuff
by jaylikewise on Feb 2, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chavvy is relatively candid
It’s not like him to give those “one-game-at-a-time” responses that one is “supposed to say”.
I am taking the optimistic view: I am looking for an above .380 OBP year, with above 20HRs, above 80 RBIs, just as a distillation and application of what he says to be quite honest. During gameday postings, I sometimes called him “Shabby” inside of “Chavvy”, so I’m not just saying this because of my preternatural sunny disposition.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 2, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A good comparison?
Joe Crede had similar back surgery during the 2006 season. Consequently, he has only played in only 47 and 97 games the next two seasons, while bouncing around the disabled list due to recovering back ailments.
Considering the other procedures that Chavez underwent, could we expect a similar amount of playing time from him?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Feb 2, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone say "member of the feline family"?
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Feb 2, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Chavvy's 2008 surgery like Crede's back surgery?
Not so sure on that. I mean, this last, 2008 surgery? I thought it was the shoulder, as in, “Let’s move him to first, if he can’t throw”.
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez had back surgery late 2007
which subsequently became compounded by this new surgery done on his shoulder and arm (Aug. 2008).
I have a hard time imagining him playing over 100 games this year
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Feb 3, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Robnett's out of the picture now
RotoTimes reports:
"Richie Robnett has been traded from the Athletics to the Cubs in exchange for veteran reliever Michael Wuertz, according to MLBTradeRumors.com. The Cubs acquired infielder Justin Sellers in the swap as well. "
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by Flashfire on Feb 2, 2009 11:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's the Wuertz news i've had today
see, i can do lowbrow, too
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like a good deal
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's more fun
when Urban pisses us all off.
…when do pitchers and catcher report?
"They’re a grubby looking bunch of caterwaulers" -Crazy Old Dude.
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 2, 2009 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ziggy's going to be on his way tomorrow (or maybe tonight, now)
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by Flashfire on Feb 2, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
REALLY?!
Yay!
Now if only March Madness would come and go, we’d be in business.
"They’re a grubby looking bunch of caterwaulers" -Crazy Old Dude.
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 2, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your subtle (and probably unintentional) dig
at the A’s use of their backup catcher, Leopold Bloom, when you ask, “When do pitchers and catcher report?”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It takes a teacher who's been grading papers
to see something like that..
signed,
A catcher from Texas you’ve prolly never heard of
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Holliday have to play left?
I mean, sure, he’s played it his whole career.. but is it really that different from RF?
by Jack Cust is valuable damnit on Feb 2, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Need to have a better arm to play right
in theory.
"They’re a grubby looking bunch of caterwaulers" -Crazy Old Dude.
by Leopold Bloom on Feb 2, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This I know..
but is Cust’s arm really better than Holliday’s? Is Buck’s?
"To this day and dating back 25 years, before every game he plays, Henderson stands completely naked in front of a full length locker room mirror and says, "Ricky’s the best," for several minutes."
by VORP is too nerdy on Feb 2, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it probably is
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cust's arm is actually not bad
(while Buck’s and Holliday’s are very average) – everything else about Cust is not great, but his arm may be the best of the three.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it is
For one, the throw to third. Routes are also basically reversed, too.
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by Flashfire on Feb 2, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday can only play RF in the Southern Hemisphere
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
by monkeyball on Feb 2, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Thanks for the interview fellas
I’m glad it looks like we have injury issues heading into the season. For a minute I thought I was on the wrong teams blog.
"You Went Full Retard, Man - Never Go Full Retard." --Kirk Lazarus
by Ovale Fan on Feb 2, 2009 12:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Crosby curse"
Awesome, MU!
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Feb 2, 2009 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rajai Davis
was originally drafted as a 2B. If Ellis is not ready on opening day, Davis could fill in for a few games.
Birds of a feather flock together....and crap on your car!
by RJ2549 on Feb 2, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not if you want a 2B who can hit or field
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but he's real fast!
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
by travdog6 on Feb 2, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Mays Hayes
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Feb 2, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rajai is a power hitter now?
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 2, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap did i missed his action movie ove rthe summer?
The nuts and bolts of gameplay are apocalyptic failures, but the awfulness doesn’t stop there. Managing games is utterly pointless. [Feb 2009, p.85]
by A'sfaninNC on Feb 3, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You may run like Hayes,
but you hit like shit.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Feb 2, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rajai's also hoping not to be cut immediately
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Feb 2, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post. Don't ever fucking do it again!
Urban: Hold on. That cougar in the corner is TOTALLY checking me out. Should I send her a mimosa? Do I slip the wedding ring off and hope she doesn't see the tan line, or is she old enough to not care?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Feb 2, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
didnt he play a few innings last season?
The nuts and bolts of gameplay are apocalyptic failures, but the awfulness doesn’t stop there. Managing games is utterly pointless. [Feb 2009, p.85]
by A'sfaninNC on Feb 2, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just one inning
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by travdog6 on Feb 2, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he hummed a few bars
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by Flashfire on Feb 2, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not mine, that's for sure
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Feb 2, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.instantrimshot.com
Are you here all week???
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with most of the above
There’s absolutely no reason to drive Mychael away (as some seemed to be trying to do) and he took the high road and stayed. Thanks for that Mychael and thanks for the great interview.
And again, I think the biggest news of the interview is definitely the Ellis news. If we’re already getting murmurs of Ellis not opening the season, I would not be surprised to hear him miss the first couple months. And of course, a Cabrera signing would then become even more important. Cabrera may not be much of an improvement over BoCro (arguable) but he is definitely a HUGE improvement over Patterson. As for Chavez, it is interesting Urban said little, though Blez never specifically asked. I’m still treating Chavvy as a non-entity but I’m hoping for a 2007-like season. That’s about 370 PAs.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Feb 2, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Orlando Hudson is still available!
You think he’d insist on being paid?
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by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please no, Ellis!
So much for wanting the season to start today.
I miss Chad God
by ChadGod on Feb 2, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Snort...he said "house organ"
Not much inclined to heap “high road "praises on someone for not staying on the low road he set himself to last week. And I think he heard the wrong message: it wasn’t "no jokes,” it was “no unfunny jokes beaten like a rented mule until your readers’ eyes bleed and we beg for the quiet of the grave.”
That said, he provides a much, much more useful set of answers than last week’s. Though I get worried in the parts (which he IDs as such, as with the everyday lineup bit) where his reporting of the team’s opinions gives way to his own.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Feb 2, 2009 3:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with a lot of what he says
I also like Cust batting second, and want Holliday behind him no matter where he hits. I think his prediction about where the A’s finish next year is right on the money, too.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Feb 2, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Feb 2, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers indeed, sir.
Both segments were great.
And second place? I’ll take it. Let’s go wild card.
by Trotter on Feb 2, 2009 4:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the second place thing
(there will not be enough wins for a chance at the WC) unless one or two of the youngsters come up and have great seasons because the current SP is not good enough to win the division. Not anywhere near it.
I think we see one of the youngsters make the team right from ST. It appears to me that Beane is counting on at least one of them making it coming out of ST. The current back end of the rotation is not inspiring whatsoever IMO.
by Trainman on Feb 2, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is favoring the AL East for a wildcard but I believe
that it’s so competitive that it might drive down the win totals in that division. Obviously we would need more wins in the AL West but if we dominate Seattle and Texas… there could be a nice, shiny WC sitting there for the taking.
Urban: Hold on. That cougar in the corner is TOTALLY checking me out. Should I send her a mimosa? Do I slip the wedding ring off and hope she doesn't see the tan line, or is she old enough to not care?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Feb 2, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Question for Mychael Urban and Susan Slusser re Options Status:
If either of you happen to read this far into the thread, we’d be grateful if you could ask team officials for clarification about which players on the team’s 40-man roster are out of options for the ’09 season.
(I realize that all of us can estimate, but if Mychael or Susan can get confirmation from Farhan, Forst, or Beane, that would be more valuable).
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 2, 2009 5:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and thanks to Mychael and to Blez.
We are lucky to have great free content and access here.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 2, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Classy post by Mychael Urban. I said that I would reserve judgment
re: the humor on Part I and I’m glad he rectified the situation. Thanks for the interview and I hope you don’t mind that I borrowed part of your act.
Urban: Hold on. That cougar in the corner is TOTALLY checking me out. Should I send her a mimosa? Do I slip the wedding ring off and hope she doesn't see the tan line, or is she old enough to not care?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Feb 2, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
omg
after superbowl till opening day is the dead sports season for me…
*the withdrawals are starting
Plus why did we trade for another righty reliever in Wuertz? Don’t we kinda need a lefty or is it gonna be blevins?
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
by 9Custs on Feb 2, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Probably Blevins + the loser of the Outman/Gio sweepstakes
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great interview - thanks, Mychael.
I too would love to see Cust bat 2nd, and I think your point about Barton learning from Giambi instead of going to AAA is well taken – something I hadn’t really considered. I could see Buck starting, Giambi at 1B and Cust at DH, Barton starting out on the bench and then easing into 1B as Giambi DHs to take occasional days off from playing in the field – and by then injury/performance issues will have clarified the longer-term plan.
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by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think the idea of barton being better off
“learning from giambi” instead of getting at bats in AAA is absolutely ridiculous.
barton should make the team, but because he will get plenty of playing time anyway, not because he would benefit more from watching giambi than from actually playing.
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by xbhaskarx on Feb 3, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Feb 3, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’m not sure we want anything “rubbing off on Barton” from a guy who wears a golden thong to work.
(Not that there’s anything wrong with that).
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 3, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Mychael.
I appreciate your insight. A couple of people have asked if you could come to our fANfest. You’re one of the family, so if you’re free…
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Feb 2, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That'd be awesome - we'd love to see you if you're available and interested.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for that Nico
Then at least we would be able to have that beer, finally.
But is this a “Bring Your Own Goat” party?
"God made Majnun love Layla so much that just her dog would cause confusion in him."
The Many Wines-Rumi
by mrod on Feb 2, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No. It's a "Bring me a goat" party.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone should.
Goat is delicious!
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Feb 2, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Skigurl's bringing a few people
Maybe she could be convinced to bring goat instead, same marinade.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also thought this piece was very informative.
I’m interested to see if anything changes between the next interview and more A’s moves like the one we saw today.
I still think the A’s are not done……and as a side note: A friend of mine with whom I work, who is a Giants fan, said that “Adam Dunn totally fucking sucks! Why would we want him? He strikes out waaaaaaayyyyyyyy tooooooo much!”
_ I chuckled to myself in the corner…..and then asked him how he would feel if the A’s were to sign him and not the Giants….
And his response was, “Whatever dude! The Giants are totally gonna win their division anyway with their pitching alone!”
_oye!
"God made Majnun love Layla so much that just her dog would cause confusion in him."
The Many Wines-Rumi
by mrod on Feb 2, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
a well crafted opening statement that I appreciate
And, a very informative q and a. Good stuff.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Feb 2, 2009 8:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Buy a verb!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 2, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
jeebus, you can't fart on AN without somebody making a comment.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Feb 2, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
stop the fart jokes already
that’s my comment
Stewart 7, Clemens / McNamee 1
by eastcoasta'sfan on Feb 2, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is Colorado?
We can’t really call you Alaska, anymore, can we?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Feb 2, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
user name still ak_A aka Alaska A just residing in Colorado for now.
Nice change of pace here. And looking forward to seeing Street and company at Coors Field this season.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Feb 3, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice interview.
Thanks, Mychael, for bringing it to AN.
by oblique on Feb 2, 2009 10:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like I wasn't the only one persuaded by the AN faithful that...
Cust would make a good number two hitter.
As for Monsieur Urban I liked his opening statement. it seemed genuine unlike the fakey mock drunken routine. Good interview and interesting read.
by IM4Oakgal on Feb 2, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Joining the consensus
praising Mychael’s introductory mini-letter. Very classy. Just the right combination of humility and sticking up for himself, taking it lightly while still being serious. And in the end, in the solid A’s tradition of “wear it”. Bravo, sir.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
by iglew on Feb 3, 2009 2:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the interviews Mr. Urban.
I enjoy your insight into the A’s, especially the F/O. Too bad about the reaction the first part provoked, although on the upside, at least you know that we at AN are following your material.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Feb 3, 2009 7:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Urban gave AN a plug on Gary Radnich
SBN’s advertisers (weight loss, play Duck Hunt Online, etc.) rejoice!
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by franks a lot on Feb 3, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I always thought Radnich might have a little issue with the sauce
man that dude is redder than Mao
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 3, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yikes
didn’t we just get out of one of these messes?
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 3, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I happen to have it on good authority
that I’d rather not go there.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Feb 3, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
look, I was only speculating
You gonna defend Radnich? Have fun with that.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Feb 3, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be a volitile year defensively
With Chavez and Ellis coming off surgery it’s obvious that Crosby needs to rise to his potential and Giambi needs to stretch a bit too. Put in Cust in the outfield on top of that and things could get painful. Of all the things that were discussed in the off season I think it’s the A’s uncertain defense that I fear the most.
by Ran on Feb 3, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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