On the DL (and I don't mean the Down Low), plus a big trade
by Flashfire on Dec 8, 2009 12:58 PM PST
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PrintWhile skimming through posts on the Hot Stove Blog for more winter meeting rumblings I came across an interesting post by an A's fan from back in August, talking about the Disabled List. Around that time was when Crosby and Giambi went on the DL (and Crosby's father whined about it), but while I think we generally know how the DL works in most cases there were still a few tidbits in the post that provided a little extra info the average fan might not know about. There's also a copy of the "Standard Form of Diagnosis" (SFD) that has to be filed with the Commissioner's Office.
Read about it here.
Among the stories swirling today that involve one-time A's (in the Majors or the farm system):
* The Milwaukee Brewers may be interested in Mark Mulder
* Mark Teahen signs a 3-year contract with the Chicago White Sox
* Rumors indicate the Pittsburgh Pirates are still very serious about Bobby Crosby. If so, good luck!
The big story is the New York Yankees getting Curtis Granderson in a three-team deal (pending medical clearance). The way it breaks down:
- DET gets OF Austin Jackson & RP Phil Coke from NYY, plus SP Max Scherzer & RP Daniel Schlereth from ARI
- ARI gets SP Ian Kennedy from NYY & SP Edwin Jackson from DET
- NYY gets OF Curtis Granderson from DET
Clearly, the Yankees get stronger again right away as Granderson is easily the best player of the seven involved and all they gave up was a reliever, a young starter and a minor leaguer who may or may not ever reach Granderson's level.
The Tigers also come out pretty well in this one, especially if Austin Jackson even comes close to Granderson eventually. Scherzer likely projects better than Edwin Jackson and they get some relief help as well. Of course, they don't have to pay Granderson's contract either and Scherzer is cost-controlled for a while, I believe.
The Diamondbacks have to hope Kennedy and Edwin Jackson benefit from playing in the NL West (and that Kennedy has no further arm problems). Of the three teams they come out the worst in the deal as far as I can tell.
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crosby
while it is too bad that he won’t land on an AL team, he should fit in well in pittsburg. they now have a black hole of despair to go along with the black alt tops.
The only thing I'll miss about Crosby is everyone calling him "Booby".
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You could always go hang out at Bucs' Dugout.
They seem a few strokes of ink from calling him Booby.
Evidently the Giants were considering him on a minor league contract
Instead he gets to sign a major league contract and play for a minor league team if he goes to Pittsburgh.
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I have a friend
who performs the blue-footed booby mating dance when he gets drunk at parties. It’s awesome.
well, if he's a man for all the ladies, it'd be "ladies' man", no?
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
Curits Granderson is on the down low?
Now that’s some breaking news! Billy Beane didn’t get him, but now maybe Billy Bean (the other one) will have a chance.
(Yes, I deliberately twisted everything that was intended with this post. Just getting back in the groove of things.)
by thejd44 on Dec 8, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions
Curtis Granderson
would be a Jackie Robinson-esque figure if he were the first active player to come out…
Too bad he’s not gay.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 8, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Wish it didn't have to be an all star
Wish it could have been Billy Bean.
DIdn’t Glenn Burke come out? or was that just to teammates?
Burke came out publicly in 1982,
two years after he had retired. He was out to his teammates while still playing, unlike Bean.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
for my money, the player that would have the biggest impact if he came out:
Albert Pujols.
….I’ll just show myself out now….
And Mariotti wondering WTF?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
As much as Crosby sucked while he was with Oakland
I wouldn’t be shocked if he turned into an league average or slightly above after a move to the NL, out of the Coli, and a change of scenery.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
Well that and he sucked
and was whiny and his Dad was a blowhard and….oh who am I kidding I can’t stand “The Cros” and I’m glad he’s gone.
He's "Bones" not "The Cros"
Maybe you’re thinking of “Der Bingle”?
I never liked the idea of giving yourself a nickname. Many points off.
He made it to the majors, I never came closer than buying a ticket. So I don’t really dislike ballplayers who play MLB.
Ed Crosby’s theatrics in August were simply just that. A story because a reporter egged EC into it, IMO.
Some players do well with a change of scenery, others do a “Damon-in-Oakland”. Either way, Bobby Crosby will occasionally get on my radar screen next year, just to see “the rest of the story”.
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."-Plutarch
by One won lost won on Dec 8, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
I called him CrosBob Errorpants
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 8, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I call him "The Cros"
and plenty of crappy players make it to majors so I don’t see your point. I mean am I not allowed to dislike a player just because he made it to the show?
I’m happy for you that you care about his future and you think the media put words into his Dad’s mouth but I can’t stand him or his a**hole Dad and I don’t care about “the rest of the story”.
I gave you my opinion
Read carefully. I never implied, or suggested, that anyone should think as I think.
If I have a thought or suggestion, I write it out.
No interpretation by the reader is necessary.
I don’t tell anyone to change their thinking. Note the use of “IMO” and “my” and, if I don’t know what you’re thinking …. the “?”
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by One won lost won on Dec 12, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Since I live alone with a cat and I I had
tapes or rather digital voice activated recordings the past few years, I would bet one could find many bytes in raised-sarcastic-voice “Oh please, get the hell out of here Bobby and no doubt as I swear to high heavens you will turn into one helluva hitter with X team” (cat bends ears back and hisses)
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It's official
Chone Figgins signs with Seattle! 4 years foe 36 million….wow!
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Chone Figgins
I’d rather the Mariners sign him instead of Jason Bay.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 8, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
He’s better and costs less.
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Disagree
He costs less, yeah, but Jason Bay would give them a power threat in the middle of the order. They already have a great hitter at the top of the lineup in Ichiro. I think Bay would help them more than Figgins would.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 8, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Because Figgins actually takes a glove with him to the field
whereas Jason Bay, as far as I can tell, starts most plays with his back to the mound. Or at least that’s the only way I can account for how bad his defense is.
Having a “power threat” or a “middle of the order” hitter is completely irrelevant to how good your team is. Production counts— how you get it doesn’t.
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Disagree
Having a "power threat" or a "middle of the order" hitter is completely irrelevant to how good your team is.
How is that irrelevant? I think Seattle is a better team with Jason Bay rather than Chone Figgins. Figgins has a better glove so he’s better? I don’t think so. They need a power hitter more so than Figgins.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 8, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Bay's defense sucks so bad that he gives back most of his offensive output.
Not that hard to understand.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Jason Bay
His defense sucks so bad that he gives up his 36 home runs and .921 OPS?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 8, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Not quite all of it, but that's the gist of it, yes.
Over the last three years he’s averaged a horrible 15 runs below average. He was 33 runs above average with the bat last year, which adds up to only 18 runs above average. Decent, but not nearly as good as his OPS and HR numbers tell you.
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You find that all her words of kindness linger on
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Quite a lot of them, yes.
Jason Bay is an above average player who wants all-star money. Chone Figgins is an above average player who got paid a little bit less than he’s worth.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 8, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Not all of it, but a whole lot, yeah.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Okay
If all of you guys say so, okay.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 8, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Also, in terms of replacement
Figgins is taking a position away from Hannahan. That’s a HUGE upgrade.
Rated-R
I’m with you… Defensive is ve overrated by the AN very over-rated by the AN Stats crew, it’s ridiculous. Offense and Defense are 2 different things. Offense should be weighed much more heavily, and I think you are starting to see this shift within the A’s organization.
Give me a defense of Matt Stairs, Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, T-Long, Johnny Damon, and Olmaedo Sainz, and I’ll show you 205 wins in 2 seasons.
Not taking sides on this, but just pointing out that
the Angels fielded an OF of Juan Rivera and Bobby Abreu at the corners and came out of it pretty good.
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And Apparantly...
Torii Hunter is the 3rd best CF on the team (behind Willits and GMJ) or something like that.
If anything, the reason it doesn't hurt as much is because...
…it’s not usually a case of one Bay RBI being countered by one Bay error or miscue leading to a run for the other team.
On average, more runs are going to be scored because of good hitting than bad fielding so I’d also put more weight in what someone brings offensively compared to what they give back defensively.
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What's your point?
Their defense sucked (other than Figgins himself, who had an unusually good year with the glove last season). They made up for it by scoring a lot of runs.
No one is saying that Jason Bay’s bad defense cannot be overcome, or that it makes him a terrible player. Nonetheless, he is NOT better than Figgins— but he thinks, and GMs think, that he is, so he costs more to sign.
This is why the smart GMs sign players like Chone Figgins and the dumb GMs sign players like Garret Anderson.
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So does that mean we A's fans should jump for joy
when the Sox, Yanks, or Giants overpay for him in the coming days? Myself, I like Jason Bay as a player regardless of defensive stats.. I would not be signing him for his glove. Hell, we all have had to endure the horror that is Jack Cust over the course of an entire season so I think I could live with Bay manning LF! Needless to say, signing Bay would be about his bat, pure and simple.
No way Bay gets less than 12 million a year from anyone, and that’s a lowpark figure. So, whether or not you think Figgins is a better player than Bay, the man will get paid and I guarantee the team/GM that signs Jason Bay will be nothing but smiles when the inks dries. And good for Figgins by the way….it shows that you don’t have to be a big, sexy power hitter to get paid in MLB. Versatility goes a long way I suppose.
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I think you made PT's point for him
Jason Bay is pretty much a better version of Jack Cust. Maybe this seems weird, since most of the stats crew is very pro-Cust, and it all comes down to this:
Jack Cust is due an arbitration raise to something like $4M, and many people are on the fence about whether to keep him.
Jason Bay, who is better than Jack Cust, but is fundamentally similar, will get a multi-year deal this offseason for like $12-15M per year… and he won’t be worth it.
This is somewhere in the middle
It could also be that Cust is somewhat undervalued from a purely market-driven perspective. On another team, Cust would get paid more — probably closer to $7M, whether he is “worth it” or not. Because Bay played for the Sux, he’ll get paid the $12-15M, but he’s being overvalued by most accounts.
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by cuppingmaster on Dec 9, 2009 7:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He's not really even that much better
His big WAR seasons were from when he was still a competent outfielder.
In fact, if you arrange the goalposts right, Cust actually looks like a better player over the last three years.
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Show me a defence that adds Gutierrez and Endy Chavez and I'll show you a 24 game improvement in 1 year
by Graham MacAree on Dec 9, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Getting a career year out of Branyan and Washburn selling his soul for a sinker didn’t hurt. Nor Felix going from a 3.9 WAR to 6.9, Aardsma’s 1.9 WAR (giving him a career WAR = 2.0) plus Lopez’s best year to date.
Gutierrez was a great pick up, don’t get me wrong, but 2009 was his first extended look at CF. Is his level of defensive performance sustainable? I don’t know, the folks who love to make projections prefer 3 years of data when they do their calculations. And while I have no doubt you know more about the Mariners and the reasons behind their 2009 success than I… one liners like yours above don’t come close to explaining how Seattle imrpoved or the value of defensive metrics in general.
The monster at the end of this blog.
It explains it as well as
the post it was responding to.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I disagree
If nothing else, C-Fan offered up multiple examples of players who helped the A’s score 1831 runs over two seasons, vs. Franklin Gutierrez helping the Mariners win 24 more games in 2009.
The A’s of 2000 and 2001 were not great defensive teams.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Washburn was below average with the Mariners, Beltre didn't exist, our shortstop imploded, and our DH hit .214
If you don’t think the defence was a huge part of the Mariner’s record last year, then you’re on a crazy train.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 9, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Washburn was worth 2.7 WAR in 133 IP for the Mariners in 2009
You are the first I’ve heard to suggest that a 2.7 WAR over (essentially) 2/3 of a baseball season is below average production out of a SP. I’m not saying the 2009 Mariners didn’t have their problems, I’m saying your previous comment was way too glib.
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Washburn has a particularly bad batted ball profile,
so he scores significantly better on FIP than on other metrics like tRA. If your WAR figure is based on FIP and Graham is thinking of tRA (both of which seem likely), that could explain your differing perceptions.
Good discussion of Washburn here.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I'll let those that enjoy the math
battle it out over FIP vs. tRA.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Or look at what the Rangers did with Andrus at SS
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 9, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't call defense over-rated
But I agree with you that the accuracy inherent with years and years of refining the offensive metrics should weigh the numbers more towards the offensive side. As WAR stands now, 1 defensive run saved is equal to 1 offensive run scored. My comfort level with that fact varies depending on my mood.
Even if you take defensive metrics with a grain of salt, there is enough data out there to suggest that (based on positional values) Bay’s glove work was bad enough over the past few years that it’s probably best if his new team plans on making him their DH from Day 1.
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by grover on Dec 9, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That would not be a bad idea by any means
So at this point if you had your pick, would you try to sign Matsui or Bay to be your potential DH? Economically speaking, one would think Matsui would be the better option as he would be cheaper and probably be able to negotiate a two year deal as opposed to Bay, who will command multiple years and much more money.
What say you my fuzzy friend?
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And you have absolutely no reason to back up that belief other than baseless assertion.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 9, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Thankfully, AN is not a debate club,
and fans are allowed to have player preferences without backing them up with statistical arguments.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
+ infinity to the infinityth power
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And other people are allowed to tell them that those preferences are counterproductive and, ultimately, dumb
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Sure. And those people are often wrong, too.
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Here's a link to the video
will crosby spread his legs so far apart at bat that the games will have to be rated nc-17 -- emperor nobody
that sent me to the Geren interview. try this one
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7143959&c_id=oak
thanks for pointing me in the right direction though, I was looking for that interview.
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I would think that Scherzer was the best player in that deal, not Granderson
and no clue why the dbacks did the trade.
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Believe in Me who believes in You.
The D-backs, though, have their reasons for making the deal.
First and foremost, they view Scherzer as a reliever, not a starter; Scherzer’s mechanics remain a concern for many scouts.
Schlereth already is a reliever, so the Diamondbacks — in their view — are effectively trading two relievers for two starters.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 8, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
The problem with that argument
(And I’m only saying this because I’m certain others will bring this up)
Last year Scherzer earned a 3.2 WAR as a SP. Folks are going to rail that there’s no numbers to support the D’back’s claim.
Now, the guy’s mechanics have always been an issue and I wouldn’t be surprised if a year or two down the road he ends up having injury problems that push him into the bullpen. But it really does feel like the D’backs sold him like the RP they expect him to become and not as the successful SP he was in 2009.
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by grover on Dec 8, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We should offer them Dana Eveland AND Edgardo Gonzalez for Dan Haren
TWO starters, and they’d only give up ONE in return!!!
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Scherzer pitched like a number 2 starter last year in his first full year.
If the Dbacks considered him a reliever after that performance and consequently sold him as such (like you said), then they’re even stupider than I thought.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Oh, I don't agree with it by any means
The Diamondbacks believed Scherzer’s perceived value was higher than his actual value. That’s fine, but then they went and sold him at the price he’d fetch if their definition of actual value was accepted by the rest of the league. Bad move.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 8, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Byrnes is a f'n idiot!
Josh Byrnes ain’t real bright, either!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 8, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
How many DHs is that?
Cust better sign if the A’s offer him a contract because with how many DHs on the market his value will only go down if he is a free agent. Just added is Ryan Church.
Quick!
Somebody sign Reggie Jackson!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 8, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie is a pretty crazy straw
U SEE WUT I DID THER!!??!
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 8, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Sherzer Started 30 games for Arizona last season
I am under the impression he is a starter.
But am i the only one that thinks Arizona got a pretty darn good deal here!!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 8, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply actions
Aside from Josh Byrnes?
yes, probably.
Trading a 3.2 WAR starter who is 24 years old and making league minimum, plus a 23 year old lefty who was a 1st round draft pick in 2008, and receiving a 3.5 WAR starter who is 25 and about to hit arbitration, plus another 24 year old starter who is going to be a back of the rotation guy — that’s not really the type of deal you’d hope to make every day. Especially when the 3.5 WAR starter had never been CLOSE to that good before in his career.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Jackson already hit arbitration
The D-backs are only getting 2 years of control over him while giving up 5 of Scherzer.
Even if you stipulate that Scherzer is contractually obligated to move to the bullpen immediately, it’s still an idiotic deal…
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Yeah I realized that when I posted
I should have said about to get way more expensive through arbitration.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Kevin Kouzmanoff
Very good defensively and on the trading block. The giants offered Freddie Lewis and Kevin Fraden and was turned down like they should have been. Can the A’s get him for a Dana Eveland??
What can't you get for Dana Eveland?
oh right anything of value.
by sirbed on Dec 8, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Starting pitching always of value
Eveland and Buck are the A’s best trading chips. Maybe the 2 of them for Kouz and Corriea.
Um, wow.
Eveland and Buck are the A’s best trading chips
I’m not sure a more inaccurate statement has ever been made.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Revise that statement
My bad. Buck and Eveland are the non-important parts of the A’s that could be traded without giving up anything long term.
No
They can’t. The Twins offered Glen Perkins, and the Padres wanted more. While I don’t think Perkins is great by any means, he’s at worst the same as Dana Eveland. Why the crap would we want Kouzmanoff anyway? See career stats for reasons why getting him would be a BAD idea.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 8, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Great defense
And he kills lefties. Just stop gap but his defense would help the starting pitching.
Stats are in San Diego, which is a hitters' graveyard
Dude has some power.
If we want a good D, horrific O 3B,
we’ll just sign Pedro Feliz and not give up any players. Feliz pretty much = Kouzmanoff.
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My point was that we wouldn't be interested in either
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 8, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Cheaper version of Beltre
Look at their stats are close since both are only good against lefties and have good defense. Beltre is over rated as a hitter.
Some other stuff...
The O’s met with the Marlins about Dan Uggla, but the Marlins want two pitching prospects in return and the Orioles are reluctant to hand that kind of package over.
Two pitching prospects…Rodriguez and Capra? Rodriguez and Simmons? Rodriguez and anyone?
If that’s the price, I’m not sure we have the pieces to meet it, but it depends on how badly they want to move Uggla. The Orioles not being willing to give up a pair of pitching prospects (Hernandez/Erbe?) for Uggla drops his price. What is our version of Hernandez/Erbe?
8:35pm: Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times reports that Angels GM Tony Reagins would consider moving Erick Aybar for a substantial return.
Wonder what a “substantial return” is? Any interest?
The Rangers must be confident in their chances next year. Both T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com and Richard Durrett of ESPNDallas.com are reporting that the team offered Justin Smoak and Neftali Feliz to the Marlins for Josh Johnson.
WOW. Take it, Marlins! Take it now!!!!
5:12pm: Wittenmyer reports that the deal is “three quarters done.” Three teams are involved, but the Rangers and Rays aren’t among them.
4:12pm: The Cubs are close on trade with a “surprise AL team” for Milton Bradley, tweets Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times. He says the deal could happen tonight. We know the Royals aren’t in on Bradley, and the Rangers or Rays wouldn’t be a surprise. So let’s hear your guesses.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM…
Most of this stuff is from mlbtraderumors.com. Great website.
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Yeah, that is good stuff!
The Marlins-Texas trade would be a doozy….
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A's version of Hernandez/Erbe would be something like Cahill/Ross
Doesn’t sound quite so hot now, does it.
Rodriguez is garbage; I’m really not sure why people keep thinking they can foist him off on competent teams and get an actual return. Larry Beinfest wasn’t born yesterday.
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I would actually prefer Beinfest to Beane if I got first pick in the GM expansion draft.
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by designatedforassignment on Dec 9, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Surprise AL team for Milton, huh?
Well I think that rules out Rangers, Mariners, and Rays (no surprise). I think we can rule out Cleveland and Oakland because MB ended tenure on a bad note. We can rule out Detroit because they’re not going to take on money. That leaves BOS, NYY, LAA, CWS, MIN, BAL, TOR and KC.
My best guess would be TOR, CWS, or LAA.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Anyone think the A's will DFA someone to clear a spot for the Rule V draft?
I can’t remember the last time we didn’t participate. I like some of the guys this year:
Kevin Whelan, RHP, NYY
Aneury Rodriguez, RHP, TB
Yohan Pino, RHP, CLE
Steve Johnson, RHP, BAL
etc. Whelan seems like he’d be a stud reliever if he could control his stuff. Why not give it a shot? What are the chances of someone grabbing Justin Souza or Tommy Everidge?
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
Souza: Little to none
he was added to the 40 man roster.
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I meant if we were to DFA them to clear a spot for a Rule V pick
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option." Now THAT'S the way to evaluate your players!
by CaliforniaJag on Dec 9, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Then there wouldn't have been a point in adding him to the 40 man roster like 2 weeks ago
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I look at what teams gave up to get JJ Hardy and Curtis Granderson,
and wonder “The A’s couldn’t match/beat that and come out ahead???” I mean I realize Hardy’s bat is now a question mark and Granderson can’t hit lefties, but…ponder…
vs. RHP
Sweeney – RF
Barton – 1B
Suzuki – C
Granderson – CF
Cust – DH
Hardy – SS
McPhoxez – 3B
Hairston – LF
Ellis – 2B
vs. LHP
Davis – CF
Barton – 1B
Hardy – SS
Hairston – LF
Cust – DH
Suzuki – C
Ellis – 2B
McPhoxez – 3B
Sweeney – RF
But more importantly, what would have been the sum total of talent the A’s would have had to part with in order to match the offers for Hardy and Granderson? Grrr….
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Yeah, I wish the A's somehow inserted themselves in that Granderson trade.
I mean, with the way Josh Byrnes was bending over for everyone, Beane could’ve gotten Haren back for Cunningham and Eveland.
(no, I’m not serious)
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
I suppose given that the D-Backs were dumb enough to make the trade they did,
it’s possible Beane offered a clearly better deal and they said “No!!!111” That would only be as dumb as…making the trade they made, so…who knows?
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Closest I can get:
Hardy was traded for Carlos Gomez. What’s the closest player we have to him? Rajai Davis? Aaron Cunningham maybe, if Milwaukee wants young/cheap.
Granderson was aquired for Jackson, Kennedy, and Coke, but also Edwin Jackson and the guys from Arizona were in the mix. Just going by the 3 guys NYY dealt, I’d have to call the “equivalent” of that Cunningham, probably Gio or Mazzarro, and Jeff Gray pre-trade for Jake Fox. On the off chance that Detroit would have taken the deal, maybe Cunningham and Weurtz?
Rajai Davis, Aaron Cunningham, and Weurtz for a return of Granderson and JJ Hardy. Seems like a no brainer?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
The trouble is that Rajai doesn't have near the trade value of Carlos Gomez or Austin Jackson
I actually think he’s pretty close to the same value as Gomez and I don’t believe in Jackson at all, but obviously the Twins and Tigers disagree.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Well, wh oknows if the offers were ever made.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Trouble is the A's don't have anyone comparable to Carlos Gomez or Austin Jackson.
Sweeney would be too much from their perspective, and Rajai, Brown or Desme aren’t enough. I would have traded Sweeney for Granderson, but that’s because I don’t really believe in Sweeney and I love Granderson. I wouldn’t have traded Sweeney for Hardy though.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Cunningham
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
The one thing Gomez has over Cunningham, though,
is that Gomez plays a really good defensive CF and Cunningham is a corner OFer.
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Yeah, that's why I likened him a bit more to Davis.
aside from age, they’re pretty similar.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I'd take Brown or Desme over Jackson as prospects every day of the week and twice on Sunday
They have the high Ks/high BABIP thing going too, but they have actual power.
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A's could also strengthen that deal in other areas
Offering pitchers better than Coke and Kennedy.
Yankees acquire swisher cheap last offseason, now do the same with Granderson.
You'd be in the minority
I don’t think much of Jackson either, but the Tigers apparently do, and most people would take him over Desme or Brown. I personally wouldn’t take any of them for Granderson.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 9, 2009 5:33 AM PST up reply actions
Rich Harden
According to Jon Paul Morosi of Fox Sports, the Mariners are “keeping in touch” with the agents for Rich Harden.
He’s (also) drawn interest this winter from the Rangers, Mets and Red Sox, among others, after a 2009 season in which he posted a 4.06 ERA, a 1.32 WHIP and a 10.9 K/9 in 26 starts (141 innings).
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 8, 2009 9:16 PM PST reply actions
That would be another close-to-home signing.
Rich is from Victoria, B.C. The ferry ride is almost three hours, but it’s direct and it’s a lot more pleasant than being on a plane.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Great, just what we need...
Facing Rich Harden 6 2 times a year!
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by mrod on Dec 8, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ouch
Having him on a team where they don’t seem to like thinking about pitch counts could be scary.
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That's the rumor now
Fangraphs is reporting it too. 1 year, 7.5M plus an 11.5M option for 2011
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Interesting
With the Rangers about to flip Millwood to Baltimore for RP Chris Ray, they’re betting that on the upside of Harden/Ray vs. the stability of Millwood at the same basic price.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Why the devil is Baltimore trading for Kevin Millwood?
They’re nowhere near a competitive team at this point. It’s just a waste of money.
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For the same reason you want the A's to sign a vet
They want Millwood to “mentor” their young arms and provide a stabilizing influence. The trade price (Chris Ray and a PTBNL) is cheap and the rumor is Texas is paying $3 million of Millwood’s $15 million salary. As long as the $12 million the Orioles are spending on Millwood in no way cuts into their spending on the draft or the international front then they might be overpaying a bit for the production but the extra dollars goes towards “buying” peace of mind.
Plus… possible trade chip come July.
The monster at the end of this blog.
CORRECTION
Millwood is owed $12 million next year, so the Orioles are on the hook for $9 million. That’s about 2 WAR… Millwood should be good for that in 2010.
The monster at the end of this blog.
OK
but paying market rate for wins when you’re currently in the mid-60s is a fool’s errand.
I don’t want the A’s to sign a vet because of some “stabilizing influence” bullshit, I want them to sign one because they only have two actual competent starting pitchers right now, and hoping for more than one or two of the prospects to step forward right away is dumb… come on, you know I don’t give a damn about this psycho-babble stuff.
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It's for 1 year
The Orioles will slot Millwood as the #1 SP, Guthrie as the #2 (temporarily) then the kids behind them in the less visible/pressure back end. Unless Millwood totally tanks he’s going to produce excess value to the $9 million owed ($8 million if you feel like counting the round numbers $1 million Ray was going to get) and if they’re even moderately lucky they’ll have a trade chip in July.
This is a low risk deal with an easily achieved break even point and a fair amount of room for upside. Simple fact is they can be expected to be a better team with Millwood than they would have been with Ray and the cash is not excessive vs. the projected performance. And I realize you’d rather ignore that which can’t be statistically quantified but just because you choose to ignore the mental and emotional facets of life doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Says someone known to hang out with Snuffleupagas
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Snuffelupaguscan be see b all the muppets now
it freaks me the f$%k out.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
Interesting story behind that decision.
You can read it on Wikipedia.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Big Bird touched me inappropriately when I was 7
It actually explains a lot.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
This would be a stronger point
if there weren’t umpteen billion properly conducted baseball studies saying that the “mental and emotional facets” of baseball don’t exist.
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you're so full of shit
UMPTEEN BILLION IS NOT A NUMBER PAUL. GOSH.
ok I’ve been drinking Racer 5 IPA all night. so what.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Let's test this
Do human beings play baseball?
If the answer is yes, then there is a mental and emotional component to the game. And if you need statistical proof, check out Duke’s numbers for the A’s in 2009.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Whatever the mental and emotional component is,
the one thing we know— for a fact— is that it is unrelated to anything anyone ever talks about when they talk about there “being a mental and emotional component.”
Because all of those hypotheses have been tested, and they’re 100% bullshit.
The “mental component” is just part of what goes into making a player good or not good— a process which is essentially a black box. Something goes in, something comes out, and no one has a clue about what happens along the way.
Trying to justify a trade by making reference to something that happens in that black box is a. silly, b. bad strategy, and c. deeply hubristic.
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Trying to claim that people don't have feelings
and that performance is not affected by an individual’s state of mind and or their environment is ignorant.
Put even more bluntly, just because you don’t understand how it works doesn’t mean that its irrelevant.
The Millwood trade is a solid deal for the Orioles, barring a complete and unexpected collapse by the pitcher. Because that is a possibility and shit happens. However, if Millwood performs as projected he will improve the Orioles. He will provide 30+ GS and 200 IP. He will provide surplus value in relation to the moneys paid to him by Baltimore. (Even if he collapses the Orioles are only stuck with him for 1 season.) And if the Orioles get even a little lucky they’ll have a decent trade chip in July.
As long as Millwood’s acquisition in no way cuts into Baltimore’s ability to spend on the international market or the draft there is no reason for you to be so aghast by this deal.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Wait, no one's arguing that people don't have feelings.
That’s absurd.
What Paul’s saying is that there has been study after study confirming that baseball players perform the same in high-pressure situations as in normal situations. Nothing in that argument says anything about people not having feelings or emotions.
Your day breaks, your mind aches.
You find that all her words of kindness linger on
when she no longer needs you.
We're not talking clutch vs. non-clutch
The studies you’re referencing talk about how a player performs over the course of the season (his baseline, if you will) vs. how he performs with 2 outs in the 9th or some other such high stress situation.
What I’m talking about is the Orioles’ attempt to create an environment that affects the baseline performance in a positive manner. Millwood offers the tangible benefit of 30+ projected GS and 200+ IP and what will almost certainly be projected as above average run prevention. (Basically, he’ll be worth more than 2 WAR.)
But he also offers the intangible bonus of being a mentor to the Orioles’ young arms, he’ll be the anchor who’ll (most likely) be the Opening Day SP and he’ll be expected to be “the guy” when facing Baltimore’s tough AL East foes.
Rather than placing all that expectation on young pitchers who are still trying to figure there way around the tunnels at the ballpark, the Orioles have tagged a vet one a 1 year contract to handle all that other stuff. In other words… the Orioles are striving to create a less stressful environment for their green arms while adding a player who will project as an above average performer.
The monster at the end of this blog.
just because you don’t understand how it works doesn’t mean that its irrelevant.
Dude. The Orioles do not understand how “it” works, either. They might be conceited enough to THINK they do, but they don’t. I really don’t think one particular baseball team has—unbeknownst to anyone— suddenly made a quantum leap forward in understanding of human psychology.
Making decisions based on that conceit is foolhardy.
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What the Orioles know
is that in baseball, like in most professions, mixing quality, experienced personnel with young, inexperienced personnel tends to have a positive effect on the development of said inexperienced personnel.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Bully for them
That “knowledge” (I would call it an “assumption,” since it’s not based on facts) will put them out about $5M next year, give or take a few Millwood jerseys here and there.
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So if nothing else...
You’re bitching about the Orioles dropping $5 million on a SP that’s probably going to be good for 2+ WAR next season.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Yes, Paul, we get it
You think there’s no basis whatsoever in the field of thought that an experienced player can provide a benefit to younger ones who are relatively new to the Majors such as what grover is talking about.
To that I say “Whatever.”
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Are you denying that this is true
outside of baseball as well?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
"doesn't exist" =
has no predictive value in any model we’ve tried.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Rangers have been busy
Flipping Millwood for Ray, signing Harden, now apparently sending catcher prospect Max Ramirez to Boston for Mike Lowell, according to Ken Rosenthal
Wow....I guess they're not waiting around for things to happen, eh?
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Adrian Beltre
I guess he’s going to Boston, then.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Or do they find somebody to plug in at 1st base in house or on the cheap via FA
and move Youkillis to 3rd?
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
That's my guess
Maybe Nick Johnson or Adam LaRoche?
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Not big enough names.
They’ll go with beltre
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Congrats to Crosby
Signs a 1yr/$1,5million deal with Pirates.
Thats $1.5 mill and an mlb roster spot more than I expected him to get, welcome to baseball purgatory in pittsburgh.
All quiet on the A’s front. Maybe Beane is waiting out the Royals desperation for a catcher and ready to punce on some Callaspo trade. Or they’ll wait to analyze the non tender deadline on Saturday to make some moves
Bad team is good for Crosby.
Means he has a chance to be an everyday player rather than backup. If he’s ever going to re-establish his value, that’s the first step.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Interesting
Apparently the PTBNL that Washington traded to NYY for Brian Bruney is the #1 pick in the Rule 5 draft.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Two to the List of possible Free Agent signings.
This has probably been mentioned a thousand times, but Troy Glaus as a possible FA signing sticks out like a sore thumb. He fits the profile of a mid-level free agent not offered arbitration & a 3rd baseman who can “bridge the gap” / Beane’s own words, until Wallace is ready.
I do not know what his salary demands are, or what his projections, are etc, but perhaps he can hit in the .270 range & hit around 17 HR’s. If the A’s sign him to a one year-incentive filled contract, & it doesn’t pan out, it wouldn’t be the first time.
I also wouldn’t mind seeing the A’s take a chance on Pitcher Eric Bedard. It’s hard to believe the amount of talent the Mariners gave up to obtain him. If he’s healthy, & can be signed for a reasonable mount, why not give him a chance. He might be available after rehabbing from his Labrum surgery around June. The probability of signing Bedard is most likely nil. He could sign a one year, incentive filled contract, tighten his stats pitching 1/2 his games in the Coliseum & be a free agent when hopefully the economy has improved in 2011.
The A’s always seem to have a pile of “take a chance” money for veteran, mid-level value or lower free agents. Pool together the $ they spent last year on Nomar / Giambi, etc & there might be enough available to sign a player the caliber of Glaus & possibly Bedard.
Paddle Faster! I hear banjo music.
I for one would find it quite amusing if the A's and Mariners effectively swapped injury-prone aces
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Not just injury-prone aces, but
Canadian injury-prone aces! Even better.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
3 years and $28M for Randy Wolf?
Yo no comprendo
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Amount per year seems decent-- he's a quality pitcher
Length, maybe not so much. Then again, most pitchers of his species don’t suddenly fall off a cliff.
Doesn’t seem utterly horrible, at least.
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RANDY FUCKING WOLF.
Just thought I’d throw that in for you.
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I guess he's better than Blanton
and he’s likely to get far less than that. Meh.
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by cuppingmaster on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to be depressed if the slegnA sign Halladay
He might not kill us as bad as Slingblade does, but double crap if he ends up there.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
er, yes, trade
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Dec 9, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Roy Halladay
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim have made an offer to the Toronto Blue Jays for Roy Halladay.
The Angels have offered SP Joe Saunders, SS Erick Aybar and CF Peter Bourjos to the Blue Jays for ace Roy Halladay, according to the Toronto Sun.
The offer could put the Angels in the driver’s seat for Toronto’s ace; they have been the most aggressive in negotiations and possess the requisite ammunition to get a deal done. Saunders, 28, was 16-7 with a 4.60 earned run average in 31 starts in 2009. Aybar, who will turn 26 next month, hit .312 with five homers and 58 RBIs in 137 games. Bourjos, 22, is a highly-regarded speedster. Saunders and Aybar are both three years away from free agency. The story notes that the Blue Jays would likely trade recently-signed shortstop Alex Gonzalez if they acquired Aybar.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 9, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions
I guess the good news would be that Halladay is only under contract for one more season
and 2010 probably isn’t the year the A’s will be riding the glory train.
I also wonder if Toronto might keep Gonzalez and flip Aybar to Oakland…?
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Wait, I thought Halladay wanted to be traded before ST started
with the idea in mind of signing an extension with his new team? Would the Angels be trying to lock him up with the trade, especially since they are more than likely to lose Lackey to FA?
I know the Halos have expressed interest in trying to re-sign Mouthbreather so if they end up pulling the trigger on the trade for Hallady, I don’t see how it could be without wanting to try and get a long term extension worked out.
Otherwiswe, seems kind of odd to trade two pretty good pieces plus a nice looking prospect for one year max of Halladay. But hey, that’s just me…..
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Boy, that's a quick "NYET" if I'm Toronto's GM
Saunders kinda/sorta sucks.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Aybar's not that great either.
Really that’s not a very good deal.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
really? I guess I need to check his peripherals
but he’s not terrible either. I’m wondering what exactly is worth one year of Halladay, with the idea that he does not sign an extension?
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
Aybar, while not great,
would be a good fit in Oakland, IMO, due to his ability to handle SS defensively with better offensive potential than Pennington offers.
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Ironically, this is probably about what Holliday is worth
It’s not what the media THINKS he’s worth, though, which is why I would sort of hope the Jays could extort more out of the Angels.
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Or maybe it's just Halladay not wanting the trade distraction during the year.
Does he have the no trade clause in his contract?
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Brandon Lyon
According to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, the Houston Astros have signed relief pitcher Brandon Lyon to a three-year deal worth $15 million.
It’s absolutely shocking that Houston management is willing to give three years to Lyon, when just hours ago they told LaTroy Hawkins he couldn’t have a two-year deal. Lyon is solid, and should do well throughout his tenure in Houston, but the Astros’ game plan does seem a bit odd.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 9, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions
Rafael Soriano
Jon Heyman is reporting that arbitration-eligible reliever Rafael Soriano has been traded from the Atlanta Braves to the Tampa Bay Rays.
The deal is pending a physical, which probably won’t go down until Thursday or morning or afternoon. It’s not yet clear who the Braves are getting in return, though right-hander Jesse Chavez’s name has been thrown around. Soriano should get a shot to contend for the ninth-inning job in Tampa Bay this spring. He had a 2.97 ERA, a 1.06 WHIP and a 102/27 K/BB ratio in 75 2/3 innings this past year.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 9, 2009 11:00 PM PST reply actions
So much for trading them Weurtz for an infielder.
It’s really disheartening to see all the potential deals that we’re missing out on.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Bye Bye Jairo Santiago Garcia Casilla
The A’s picked up an Angels reliever in the Rule V draft. The guy apparently has a great sinkerball but can’t throw strikes. Why does Oakland keep picking up these relievers (Neu, Marshall) who can’t make it but clog up the 25-man roster during the season?
Good news: We say goodbye to Mr. Whatever his name is.
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