Community Prospect List - #20
by Zonis on Dec 2, 2009 5:57 PM PST
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NOTE: I am promoting this to the front page because these CPL's are always highly rec'd, great for discussion, and have nothing to do with the past. Plus anyone with a "Z" in their name is alright by me. - 67M
For Reference:
Prospects up for Vote:
Rashun Dixon, OF, Age 18
Year Team Lg Age Org. Level Pos Ln G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP AVG OBP SLG OPS 2008 Azl Athletics Ariz 17 OAK Rk of 45 179 32 47 3 10 8 42 5 2 18 68 1 0 0 3 5 .263 .328 .525 853 2009 Vancouver Nwst 18 OAK A- 57 196 25 42 7 0 2 16 6 4 23 73 2 0 0 2 2 .214 .300 .281 581 Minor League Totals - 2 Season(s) 102 375 57 89 10 10 10 58 11 6 41 141 3 0 0 5 7 .237 .314 .397 711
Pedro Figueroa, SP, Age 23
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP KAN (oak) A- 18 10-2 3.23 86.1 89 31 76 0 1.39 STO (oak) A+ 11 3-4 3.56 56.2 62 35 67 0 1.48
Ian Krol, SP, Age 18 - Video - Draft Scouting Report
Motion
Fastball
Curveball
Change-up
Command 50
45
50/55
45
45/50
Mickey Storey, RP, Age 23
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP KAN (oak) A- 13 0-0 0.52 17.1 5 1 23 9 0.35 STO (oak) A+ 22 1-1 2.28 23.2 19 6 35 9 1.06
Shane Peterson, OF, Age 21
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B SFD (stl) AA 18 .284 .338 .405 1 7 2 10 4 MID (oak) AA 57 .276 .335 .399 4 24 6 26 14
Sam Demel, RP, Age - 23 - Video
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP MID (oak) AA 27 0-2 0.61 29.1 23 9 26 11 1.09 SAC (oak) AAA 28 2-3 3.62 32.1 27 21 33 3 1.48
Matt Spencer, OF, Age 23
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B STO (oak) A+ 30 .274 .338 .573 10 29 3 20 5 MID (oak) AA 93 .294 .347 .461 9 62 2 59 29
Henry Rodriguez, RP, Age 22 - Video
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP SAC (oak) AAA 37 2-1 5.77 43.2 38 38 71 4 1.74 STO (oak) A+ 3 0-0 0.00 5 3 1 11 0 0.80
A's Community Prospect List
1. Chris Carter, 1B, Age 22 - 76% (of 5) - Video
2. Brett Wallace, 3B, Age 22 - 79% (of 5) - Offense Video / Defense Video
3. Adrian Cardenas, IF, Age 21 - 75% (of 5) - Video
4. Jemile Weeks, 2B, Age 22 - 36% (of 8) - Video
5. Grant Desme, OF, Age 23 - 29% (of 8) - Video - OmahaHi's case for Grant Desme
6. Grant Green, SS, Age 21 - 32% (of 7) - Video
7. Josh Donaldson, C, Age 23 - 31% (of 7) - Video - DesignatedForAssignment's case for Josh Donaldson
8. Corey Brown, CF, Age 23 - 37% (of 8) - Video
9. Michael Ynoa, SP, Age 17 - 40% (of 8) - Video
10. Sean Doolittle, 1B/OF, Age 22 - 41% (of 8) - Video
11. Arnold Leon, SP, Age 20 - 46% (of 8)
12. Tyson Ross, SP, Age 22 - 23% (of 8) / 42% (Runoff) - Cal Sports Profile Video
13. Fautino De Los Santos, SP, Age 23 - 34% (of 8)
14. Max Stassi, C, Age 18 - 45% (of 8)
15. Anthony Capra, SP, Age 22 - 41% (of 8)
16. Dustin Coleman, SS, Age 22 - 21% (of 8)
17. Brad Kilby, RP, Age 26 - 25% (of 8) - Video
18. James Simmons, SP, Age 22 - 21% (of 8) / 50% (Runoff) - Video
19. Ben Hornbeck, SP, Age 21 - 41% (of 8)
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I'm still on the fence for this one
My initial instinct is to go for Figueroa because of the scouting opinion and the nice K-rate, but I’m concerned that at his age he still hasn’t quite figured out his control issues.
Although, nobody else on the list really inspires me. Maybe Dixon or Spencer but both have plenty of red flags. I’ll have to think this one over for a while.
Henry again.
Leyja as my next nomination.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
I went with Figueroa because a ouija board told me to.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I went with Mickey Storey
based on the post in the last thread about the A’s seriously considering turning him into a starter.
Figueroa would be a fine choice too, IMO.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
My gut feeling says Storey will make the bigs eventually...
at least for a cup of coffee
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 3, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Short storey?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Dixon
I love the athleticism.
Henry can’t/won’t find the strike zone and Figueroa has age working against him. I like Storey but his fastball is average as a RP and I want to see how he holds up as a minor league SP before considering him for the big league rotation.
The monster at the end of this blog.
"Average" is actually being kinda generous
He’s clearly not a “stuff” guy…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I thought he threw 88-89?
That’s by no means awesome, but it’s definitely “average”, IMO
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 2, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I thought we were thinking of him as Duchscherer 2.0?
From starter to reliever back to starter?
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 2, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless, there aren't a whole lot of good right handed relievers
throwing under 90 most of the time.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
Average for a righthander is around 91
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Wasn't aware of that
Average would definitely be generous then. In very SSS he dominated AA and AAA; we’ll have to see how he does this year. Still, I selected him over a bunch of guys that can’t get the ball over the plate or can’t make contact with a baseball. It was him or Spencer for me.
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 2, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
After excluding knuckleballers, lefties, and known submariners,
I only came up with 13 relief pitchers in the whole majors last season who threw under 89 MPH. 3 of those were so bad they were below replacement level. The only ones who cracked 1 WAR were Trevor Hoffman, Burke Badenhop (barely) and, of all people, Kiko Calero.
If we assume he loses the typical 2 MPH or so as a starter, there was exactly uno right-handed SP who qualified in terms of IP and threw at less than 88 MPH: Livan Hernandez. Even raising the MPH limit to 88 and cutting the IP requirement to 80 gives only seven pitchers (excluding Tim Wakefield obviously), not a single one of whom posted an ERA under 5 this season.
He’s fighting a seriously uphill battle here. Justin Duchscherer is about the ONLY good pitcher with an 86 MPH righthanded fastball.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
k that doesn't actually make any sense
We know what average velocity in MLB is… maybe the scouts haven’t updated their scale to reflect pitch f/x?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
K. Goldstein used Pitch f/x to look at velocity
The basics…
Grade MPH
80 96+
70 94-95
60 92-93
50 89-91
40 86-88
30 83-85
But when you you split it into half scores…
60 92
55 90.5
50 89
45 87.5
That’s average velocity of a fastball, with no (apparent) differential made between a 2-seam and 4-seam fastball. And that’s looking at 230 RHP who had thrown 300 or more fastballs this season.
Final score: 92% of those RHP threw at least 89 MPH.
If I say anymore I’d probably have to link the blocked article.
The monster at the end of this blog.
This confounds me
I looked at every hitter with 250 PA this season, sorted by average velocity of fastballs seen, and found the median hitter. (As it happens, it was Franklin Gutierrez.) The average velocity of a fastball thrown to Gutierrez was 91.2 MPH.
And that’s ALL fastballs, not just right-handed fastballs. Surely the average RHP fastball is higher velocity than that.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I think I see the problem
55.7% of all RHP throw fastballs at an average velocity of 92 MPH or greater.
80% of all RHP in the survey throw at least 90.5 MPH.
Therefore the mean fastball speed in MLB is higher than “average” fastball velocity from a RHP.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Can anyone explain why lefties traditionally throw softer?
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Dec 5, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
It's just a statistical effect
I don’t think there’s any evidence at all that left-handed people in general have weaker arms than righties. But the structure of baseball is such that it has a permanent demand for a higher percentage of pitchers to be left-handed than the percentage of lefties in the general population. If lefties are 10% of the population but you want 30% of your pitchers to be lefties (and I just pulled those numbers out of my rear end, for the sake of argument), then you have to be willing to expand your selection criteria beyond the hardest throwers in a way that’s unnecessary for righties.
Right
There’s less selective pressure on lefties than on righties.
It’s the exact same reason why the boys in high school musicals are invariably much worse singers than the girls. You need just as many of them but have a much smaller population to choose from…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Marks needs to be on this list
I may have voted for him if he was on the poll.
As is, I’ll support Krol.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I'm finally ready for Henry.
I’m, frankly, surprised I got to vote for him.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Demel
Why not?
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
Voted Demel too
Dominated at AA and pitched pretty well at AAA. Good stuff. Will probably be in our pen at some point in 2010 as well.
Figueroa question
Does anyone know anything about his batted ball profile? A career HR/9 of 0.5 is pretty tasty, and it makes me think that he gets a lot of ground balls. It’s pretty likely that I will vote for him regardless of the answer to this question, but it would be nice to know.
Also, for the record, his low HR rate is not being driven by his stint in the Midwest League. He allowed only 3 HR in 65.2 innings at Stockton this year. Back in 2006, he managed to keep his HR/9 below 1 while pitching in Arizona. If the rookie league is anything like the fall league, then it’s hard to keep the ball in those parks (but it’s also short season rookie league from four seasons ago, so I probably shouldn’t spend too much time worrying about those numbers).
Lots of IF flies, both in Stockton and KC
GB – 46%, FB – 32%, LD – 15%, IF – 17%.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 2, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
That's a really low LD% which is nice.
That infield fly percentage is Barry Zito-like. That said, I’ll bet it will regress a bit.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
LD rate in the minors is uber-meaningless
because it’s uber-unreliable.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Good to know.
Are classifications of balls in play in the minors done from a computer or a human?
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Dec 2, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Human
That’s true in the majors too, but I think they vet/train their people a bit more thoroughly at the MLB level. Still, there are massive park effects for LD rate at the MLB level (example: the Angels always seem to trail the league) which can basically only be explained as human error.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Interesting.
I would bet that HitFX will render that obsolete, if it ever gets released to the public…
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
No one hits home runs in rookie leagues
There was one player— one!— with double-digit HR in the AZL this season. Those guys aren’t well-developed enough to hit HRs without metal bats.
That said I don’t really think ancient AZL stats are really relevant any which way you look at it…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
There's no obvious choice here
I’m going to have to go process of elimination. I already know Rodriguez and Peterson are out, because of being not very good.
Krol vs. Figueroa is precisely that age-vs.-stuff debate that I referenced on some other thread earlier today. Stuff wins, so Krol is out.
Storey hasn’t dominated above A-ball and doesn’t have great scouting reports to make up for it. Demel sort of has. Storey is out.
I’m not a huge fan of Spencer’s— too much of a “poor man’s Kendry Morales” vibe to me. Dixon has gaping flaws but after considering the reports from instructs, I’m willing to give him a mulligan on the season and say he just wasn’t ready for the league he was playing at. He’s a project, but the tools are there. Still, I’m unenthusiastic enough about both that they’re both out.
So it’s Demel vs. Figueroa. Figueroa is a starter with similar-ish K and BB numbers, albeit at a lower league. Figueroa it is.
I prefer Ryan Ortiz to any of these position players… though I wouldn’t favor him over Figueroa so it’s not a crime that he’s not on yet. He should be on there soon though.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
You could saved SO much time
if you had just consulted the ouija board.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
how have I only just noticed that ouija is "yes" in French then German?
Christ, my life is boring
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
So you are the ouija bored?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Dude!
I never noticed that either. Totally cool.
Similar but more esoteric observation that I did notice years ago: Pepsi is a Hebrew letter followed by a Greek letter. If there’s another word that meets that description, I never found it.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
What's wrong with a poor man's Kendry Morales?
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 2, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
because what it really means
is a player with similar skills to Kendry Morales, except who’s less good at them.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
I went with Demel,
but it’s not an obvious call. My reasoning is a lot like Paul’s above, but at the final decision node I go with AA-over-A instead of SP-over-RP. I’m highly skeptical of anyone who hasn’t been tested in AA yet.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Went with Henry again
Demel will most likely be next. I like his success at Triple A which is something he has over the rest of the candidates.
My next 3 are Marks, Krol, and Figueroa
But I’m not sure how to order them.
With the salad is my advice.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I went with Figueroa
Scouting reports win this round for me.
we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.
Are his better than Marks or Krol?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
How?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Hold up, lemme find the scouting reports.
Off the top of my head, Marks has average velocity and four average-ish pitches with good pitchability, Krol has a good breaking ball, and has recently been clocked at around 86-88, whereas Figueroa throws in the 94 range. I can’t recall what Figueroa’s offspeed pitches are like, I’ll see if I can find something official.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
BA liked his slider and change, so I guess his reports are a lot better than the others
Command is a problem, with him. So it sounds like Figueroa/Krol are better than Marks for scouts.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Promoted to front page
Guess I’ll have to tidy it up from now on.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
Voted Spencer
At this point all the players have warts so I went with the guy who did pretty well at AA and may have some value down the road as a bat off the bench or something.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
me too
love that guys upside.
BA+SI just listed their farm system rankings, and it appears they made a giant, stinking, disrespectful oversight in not ranking us at least in the top 10, gross.
I can see not having the A's in the top 5
but saying they’re below average is completely insane.
Ignore that list.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
How could they possibly put the A's below the Angels?
That list is completely nonsensical.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
Angels have a pretty deep system.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I was gonna reference you to the minorleagueball thread about their system,
but I see you’ve already posted on it. They’ve got 11 B- or better prospects, yes, but only 4 B or better prospects, and I think Sickels is a little too high on Trout. The A’s should come in much better than that.
Carter, Wallace, Cardenas, Weeks, Desme, and Green should probably all be B or better. Green is questionable I guess.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
Also I see that Manuel had them just one spot ahead of Oakland
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
He wasn't ranking the middle systems
He just put them in groups of 10 in alphabetical order.
The list is retarded no matter how you look at it.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
The seem to put a lot of emphasis on premium talent. A's top prospects -- Green,
Carter, Wallace, Cardenas, Weeks — aren’t Top 10 or even probably Top 25 types. Ynoa could have been, but it doesn’t sound like they’re ranking him up there.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Typical BA approach, really
If people were as good at recognizing “premium talent” as they seem to think they are, we wouldn’t need BA in the first place…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Are you saying depth is more important than Top 10 guys because the Top 10 guys might miss and the 100th best prospect might end up with the 5th best career?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Basically.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I voted H-Rod
Even though myself, and fellow season ticket holder’s cringed when seeing his debut at the Coliseum, I have to go with Henry.
I always observed Landon adept at handling wild pitches with grace. When H-Rod came in Powell was visibly aggravated at H-Rod’s lack of control. I think the back-top also was permanently marked by one of his wild-pitches. I was spying to see if Curt Young performed a face-palm during his debut, none were visible.
Call me crazy, I still think his ability to throw the the Sh** out of the ball and his high K ratio in the minors deserves a vote.
If you're going to vote for someone who does not actually know how to play the game of "baseball" competently,
why not vote for Dixon? At least he has real upside… far, far, faaaaaaar away upside, but…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Citius altius fortius
Paul, I concede that Dixon might be the more appropriate selection
My only counter argument is that being a true fan sometimes requires the irrational vote for a player based on observing a player up close and in person.
When I watched H-Rod’s debut he sparked with a blue ethereal flame of fast-ball charisma. I know you have waxed poetic about Kilby’s value in previous posts, but to use him as an example: he really doesn’t excite in person. Especially last September when H-Rod and Brad Kilby made pitching appearances next to one another. The ball disappearing parlour trick didn’t excite, while H-Rod throwing 100 on the Oakland scoreboard did, as I naively dream the organization has another prospect who in theory might blossom into a Nolan Ryan type.
I vote H-Rod as a self admitted irrational fan, one that continues to place his marriage in danger by renewing his A’s season tickets year after year.
Well, OK
If you’re going to pull the prospect-list equivalent of jury nullification, I guess there’s nothing anyone can do to stop you…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Has H-rod actually ever been, you know, good?
"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond
Oh great --
you’re gonna throw out the “has he ever pitched well?” card. Typical. Just typical.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He was sort of decent in low-A ball three years ago?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Plus in Stockton at the beginning of 2008 till his promotion to AA.
After that it’s been lotsa strikeouts and inconsistency.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
true.
I still think they should just move him back to starting, maximize his potential, and pray he learns how to throw strikes.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
Me too. I think it's the one remaining option that has him in the pen.
Unless he has two remaining, in which case it makes no sense.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
I guess my vote for Spencer was the kiss of death
Shall we vote him on postrosterly?
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
I googled "postrosterly", and it's not a word but it should be.
Now what does it mean?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
"even after the roster has changed"
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I was going for posthumously
But in baseball terms.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
I like it. I'll be sure to use it.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2009 4:33 AM PST up reply actions
"rosthumously"?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Humorosterly?
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 5, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
POST-humorosterly.
My bad, y’all.
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 5, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Went with Peterson, could have gone with some of the pitchers
Peterson put up excellent numbers for his age.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
I like him too.
How’s his defense, compared to Sulentic or Desme?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 3, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Probably about the same as Sulentic maybe a tad better; probably worse than Desme
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Quick! Everybody vote Spencer!
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Well, front-paging this had the predictable effect
of biasing the vote heavily in favor of guys with heavy name recognition. Either that, or someone is ballot-stuffing, which is an even worse notion. Although I doubt it. Not really the right vote patterns for it.
Either way, not liking the effect on the vote.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Ehh, at this point I'm almost relieved to see Rodriguez make the list
Now when I read these posts I won’t be tempted to get into another unrewarding argument about how fastball velocity does not equal potential. I still think it’s way to early for Rodriguez but I am looking forward to not having to waste time thinking about him anymore.
In that case we should have done this 10 votes ago.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2009 4:34 AM PST up reply actions
Have you ever met a voter?
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Dec 5, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
If you're asking if I have a mirror in my house, the answer is yes
The monster at the end of this blog.
You vote? Shit... no wonder were all doomed.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Dec 6, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, in Berkeley people have tie-dyed for the right to vote.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Rodriguez has had twice as many votes as the next person the whole way through.
I didn’t vote for him but I don’t have too many prospects above him at the moment.
This is not correct
Early on Figueroa had more votes; even after it had a chance to settle down it was like 60-52 for Rodriguez when the thread was front-paged.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I watch poll trends to see if anything suspicious is going on (a habit I will never lose on the internet-- way too useful)
Take my word for it. This was not normal. A close poll does not suddenly turn into a blowout without some kind of outside intervention.
In this case, the culprit is quite easy to spot…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Let's do a regression model!
Damn, I already did my project.
"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes
by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 5, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I saw it too.
Henry had a slight lead when I voted, and I think it’s a better than 50% chance he would have won, but it was going to be pretty close. Whereas now it’s a blowout where he has almost twice as many votes as the next guy.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I think H-Rod had a decent chance of winning this one anyway.
But I agree that putting these posts on the front page is bad for the poll (and I would therefore request to mods that they refrain from doing so again).
This poll is delicately balanced between populism and elitism. We do want to keep the vote open to everyone, but at the same time we’d like to at least restrict it to those who care enough to pay attention to all the candidates.
(I say this as one who is ready to vote for Gregorio Petit now. I’d like to see him get his fair shake and I’d even put forth an argument in his favor. But I want him voted in when the thoughtful electorate is ready to vote him in. If he were on the list and it was promoted to the front page, he’d win in a landslide — as would Tommy Everidge, if he were listed — and even though I’m a Petit backer, that’s not how I’d want it.)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I doubt this will hold a lot of water with AN but...
One thing to mention is the shot callers within the organization looked at HRod while the others were noticeably absent. As much as I love arm chair GMing discussions (I really do…no sarcasm) there seems to be a lack of perfect choices at this point. And although call ups happen for reasons other then who is “ready” some of these arguments seem a lot flimsier then where the A’s rank their prospects internally.
I admit at this point I am losing touch with any familiarity of the names. All I can do is make the best decision I can using the content provided so all of my votes at this point are ‘influenced’. The other option for me is to stop voting which I will give some considerable thought; since I hate when people vote along popular lines without knowledge of wtf they are even voting for.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
There are no remaining "prospects" on the list who were on the 40-man roster in September...
other than guys who had already been called up earlier in the season (Mortensen, Everidge).
Calling up someone else would have necessitated releasing or outrighting an extra player.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I think most people are in this situation.
In fact if Henry wins, next time I’ll be voting for someone I’ve never seen, even on film. The odds of any of the remaining players making a real contribution in the majors is pretty slim. It’s all fun anyway. This poll has no real world impact.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 4, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
There does come a point where you have to say
“I really don’t have an informed opinion”, and decide to stop voting.
I remember last year, some time around the mid 20s I started to think about that. I looked at the smart people commenting in the thread and I thought, “Those guys know way more than I do.” But then I looked at the poll and saw that it stillgot 200 votes, and I thought, “OK, I may not know all that much, but I do have some clue, and I don’t think I’m more uninformed than all 200 of the other voters,” so I kept voting a little longer.
Then some time in the 30s I really did have no clue whatsoever, so then I stopped voting than.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
This.
If you don’t know all of the candidates either A) do some research or B) don’t vote. Last year it was in the early 30s for me.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Dec 5, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
If guys like you were dropping out at that point
Then who the heck chose the 35-50 guys?
Um...sorry!!!!!!
-Cindi
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well IIRC i stopped about ten rounds before the end
Also I knew a lot less about the A’s system last year. I had just got done working on a US Senate campaign and hadn’t had the time to follow it as closely. That being said there were several rounds where I waited, evaluated the arguments of others for and against their prospects and made decisions mostly based on what arguments I found to be persuasive. When it became solely base on that is when I stopped.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Dec 5, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
"I never said half the things I said "
Thanks for the correction, my bad.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
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