1000 Comments About Jamey Carroll?
by Nico on Dec 18, 2009 8:53 PM PST
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PrintProbably not. But while "The Life and Times of Jamey Carroll" is unlikely to generate mass analysis on AN (or ever to become an ABC 3:30pm TV special), Carroll's free agent signing with the LA Dodgers has some noteworthy elements. And very few goatworthy elephants.
First of all, Carroll's agent -- shockingly, not Scott Boras but rather a guy named Jonathan Maurer who is likely a dentist in the small town where Carroll grew up, a part-time busboy who happens to know Carroll's dad, or the only guy in Carroll's high school class who never beat him up for still going by "Jamey" -- reports that the A's offered more money and playing time than the Dodgers did.
This would be the second time the A's were allegedly "Scutaroed," i.e., rejected despite offering more money than someone else, and the third time in two years they have been "Furcaled," i.e., rejected by a smallish infielder who can play SS because the player evidently did not feel he looked good in green. (I say green, because nobody could look good in pale yellow unless they were married to Jose Lima.)
Now before you panic, there were -- according to the dentist/friend of the family/non bully -- extenuating circumstances. The official reason Carroll chose the Dodgers, Maurer says, is that Carroll wanted to play for Joe Torre and Don Mattingly. Why Bob Geren and Jim Skaalan weren't good enough is unclear, but apparently a 35-year old journeyman with less power than Joe Biden (seriously, is he even still alive? I never hear about him and the last time I saw him on TV I could swear he looked at least 93) is more concerned about the team's manager and hitting coach than he is about hundreds of thousands of dollars. And you say managers don't matter. They not only matter, they bring shgritty difference-makers like Jamey Carroll to your organization.
This brings me to "second of all." The A's offered more than a 2 year, $3.85million contract to Jamey Carroll? The A's, who didn't want to pay Jack Cust the extra million between his 2009 contract and a likely arbitration award or settlement, wanted to pay Jamey Carroll nearly $2million more than Gregorio Petit to man the crucial position of "utility infielder"? Or is it that the A's weren't satisfied paying Aaron Miles $1.7million to be versatile -- which means "equally bad at many things" -- so they wanted to double the amount they were paying to guys who winning teams laugh at the thought of starting? Or is it that at age 36 come Opening Day 2010, the A's feel Carroll is just now approaching his prime and is about to start slugging over .350 -- his career slugging percentage?
If Jamey Carroll is your regular starting 3Bman, your team sucks. If he's your utility infielder, there are better ways of spending a couple million dollars for the next two years than to spend it on Jamey Carroll, v.36-37 years old. Meanwhile, Jack Cust is a free agent and Kurt Suzuki is currently the team's leading power hitter. Do. Not. Get.
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Carroll would have been the best option at 3B....and the team isn't very good. "Sucks"
is a bit strong, since Carroll could easily wind up the Dodgers starting 2B.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
If you are a crappy utility man
and you are deciding between two teams offering you around 4 million dollars…
And one team sucks and plays in a shitty facility, and the other team is good and plays in an average facility…
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
I'd call Dodger Stadium an above average facility.
I also wouldn’t call Carroll a “crappy utility man”. He’s a crappy starter but a pretty good utility man.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Define "Pretty Good"?
Crosby < Carroll (barely)?
by Colorado Fan on Dec 19, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Well when you put it that way...
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Carroll loves Mattingly
He is from the same Indiana town that Mattingly is from so he wanted to play with his childhood hero. LOL Now that all the remaining 3b are off the market the name MT is being heard through the net. A backup ss and thirdbaseman. ??? makes you wonder.
So we need to find a 3B from Holland, Michigan?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Hey!
I’m from about 60 miles south of there. 3 cheers for Michigan…looks outside at a foot of snow, frowns
Not just athletes, Athletics.
Where are you in Michigan?
My parents live in Grand Rapids, and my Dad is a hardcore A’s fan. Just so you don’t feel like you’re the only one there who loves the green and gold…
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
by the_rozeboom on Dec 19, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Grand Rapids?
I’m in the G-Rad right now. Woah. It’s snowing flakes the size of my thumbnail as I type this sentence.
Adenhart #34 - Rest well, Nick. You have a big start ahead of you.
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
I wish the A's could get a young 3rd baseperson
whose childhood hero was Eric Chavez. I bet that guy would stick around a looong time. Maybe even sign an extention beyond the arby years.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury
by Future Ed on Dec 18, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
me too
i hope we find that guy someday. Maybe he will also be able to stick at 3B, play defense like Chavez, and not have the biggest legs on the planet.
His name won’t be Brett Wallace, and he won’t be destined for 1B or DH, and thus force a good player to the bench.
Fuck you Bob Geren
by supermarc589 on Dec 18, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Do the A's have a B.O. problem or something?
Good grief doesn’t anybody want to play in front of hundreds of fans for a manager that wins at least 75 games no matter what?
When people turn down money and playing time to go play for a team with a lame duck manager and an ownership that is headed to divorce court well….it ain’t good.
So when does Adrian Beltre take less money to go play in the Mexican League?
Unfortunately, Bob Geren isn't really a "lame duck manager"
He keeps getting contract extensions. And he has a club option for 2011 that will probably be picked up, since I’m pretty sure he should murder the entire Sacramento team and his punishment would be a three-year deal.
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by thejd44 on Dec 18, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, "should" or "could"?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Could
Sorry. Geren talk gets me all flustered.
I’ll be good this season though. I have no expectations of winning baseball in Oakland in 2010, so him costing the team games won’t bother me too much.
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by thejd44 on Dec 18, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I was talking about Joe Torre being the lame duck manager
since this is his last year with the Dodgers
Oh, my bad
Is this actually his last year?
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by thejd44 on Dec 18, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
The conversation, at least so far as I can imagine it:
BB: Position Player X, come to Oakland. We’ll even pay you more than that other team.
PPX: Well, let’s get these talks started, then. Who’s your best player?
BB: Oh, uh… Mark. Yeah, Mark Ellis.
PPX: Oh.
BB: You know, with that defense, he’s very underrated.
PPX: No, no, you make you a good point. It’s just that… oh, isn’t Jack Cust still there? You know, a guy who can hit some roundtrippers and get me a few runs scored on my résumé?
BB: (whistles through teeth) Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no. We had to let him go. You see, we’ve got Ryan Sweeney and we don’t want anyone else in the outfield setting unrealistically high expectations for him.
PPX: Ah.
BB: Bad for the self esteem.
PPX: Right. Okay, how does the infield look?
BB: Eric Chavez is gonna hold down 3rd for us this year.
PPX: …
BB: Just kidding. Nah, we got Jake Fox, so we’re cool.
PPX: …
BB: Gotcha again!
PPX: Fool me twice, shame on me.
BB: Yeah, no, we have no idea who’s playing 3rd. We’ve asked Beltre to play for a sixer of PBR and a couple of live chickens, so, y’know, fingers crossed.
PPX: That should… go… um… okay, worst case scenario, what happens at 3rd?
BB: All Aaron Miles, all the time.
PPX: Goddammit.
BB: I know.
PPX: Seriously, though.
BB: No, I know, I know. But that’s why we need you, guy! We’ve got some distance to make up now that our offense is about as effective as the Raiders’ and the Mariners suddenly decided to employ people like Cliff Lee and Milton Bradley instead of Carlos Silva and Yuniesky Betancourt.
PPX: Yeah, that’s a bitch, ain’t it?
BB: So whaddaya say, huh? How about you come play for us, and we pay you a little extra for that noticeable drop that’s gonna come as a result of playing in the AL Petco Park?
PPX: Alright, finish this sentence for me: “We are competing for ________.”
BB: Contractual reasons. Bud Selig won’t let us declare this year and next a “mulligan.”
PPX: (dial tone)
by Joey C. on Dec 18, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 17 recs
Dude, this is so funny. And so nauseatingly true.
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
by the_rozeboom on Dec 19, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and
If Jamey Carroll is your regular starting 3Bman, your team sucks.
Amen.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I'm guessing that the A's really want to keep DH open this season
…and not have Jack Cust in the OF. That’s the only thing that would explain non-tendering Cust and offering 2 million to Carroll.
And you're exactly right.
As much as is feasible, each roster spot is to be manned by someone that has a shot at being a cog of the future. Don’t be surprised if Davis and Ellis get traded at the deadline, either.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Then why not also play Petit, instead of Carroll,
save $2mil/year and find out what Petit can do?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Good question.
The only explanation I can offer is that “bench” is not a position that’s particularly important to leave open. In fact, if you want to make sure young players fill every starting position, make sure there’s no bench positions available for them to occupy.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
989 comments of beer on the wall,
989 comments of beer. Make one more, Jamey comments galore, 988 comments of beer on the wall….
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Why anyone would want to play at our current facility unless they
are getting a substantial amount more is beyond me.
I love the A’s but the sooner they leave the Coli the better for the team. Be it San Jose (My 1st choice) or a new park in Oakland (probably not going to happen)
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Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
i'm so excited
i just can’t hide it
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
lets not start blanking each others blanks just yet
"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow
Via MLBTR, the Diamondbacks made Kelly Johnson an offer
The reporter guessed the deal was worth around $2MM for a year. Even after a down year, at that price he seems like an excellent low-risk/medium reward. Very bad last year, but had a .249 BABIP as opposed to his career mark of .313 (which is what James predicts for him next year; ~.750-.800 OPS). I understand that not all inquiries are reported on, but for Oakland not to explore him as a 2B/3B/OF would be foolish.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
He played SS in the minors for Atlanta
Then made a switch to 2B. UZR has him as below average at 2B, but last year he was basically average. He might not win any awards for his defense at 3B, but I’m sure it would be passable and not at all Jake Fox-esque.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
I'm a little worried about it being passable
People don’t tend to do things they’ve never done before very well, but’s it’s hard not to like the bat.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I've always been a Kelly Johnson fan
I think he’s absolutely worth that money, though I don’t know if there’s a real fit for him in Oakland.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Dec 18, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
At 2B, Oakland has quite a bit of depth
I didn’t make it clear in the post, but asking what would it hurt to ask him if he’d be willing to make a switch to 3B. And hell, I’d rather have him on the bench as a backup IF than Aaron Miles. Can’t play SS, but neither can Miles.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
That would be an incredible steal
keeping in mind that he’s still only got 4-odd years of service time, and thus a team would be able to invoke arbitration for 2011 if he actually does anything useful in 2010.
He’s by far the most interesting non-tendered player, IMO (well, other than Cust himself, I suppose).
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
So Kelly Johnson is available for the same amount we offered Carroll,
but we haven’t made an offer to Johnson?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Kelly johnson
Whats this with another ball player with a girl’s name? Besides that I can tell you Kelly Johnson would be a wonderful pick up for the A’s as a DH, 2b, corner outfielder. Last year he was hurt much of the year and when he came back he was used as a backup player for the braves. Since he was the starting 2b for my strato team I can tell you he averages about 270 hitter with a 350 oba with about 20 homerun power. His defense is just average but serviceable. Think of Adam Kennedy type of defense.
Jamey Carroll is a .270/.350 hitter with 2 HR power.
Kelly Johnson is a .270/.350 hitter with 20 HR power? And Johnson is 8 years younger? Tough call on who to offer $2M to.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
But Carroll is supposed to be more than 1 Win better on defense
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Do you know which game?
If it’s one of the late-May weekend games, I might be able to go see it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
7th Game of the World Series
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
You GO, Jamey!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
How would it likely play at 3B?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Too many guys have the name Kelly for it to truly be a girl's name, I think.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Dec 19, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
There's a great site where you can chart it.
Prior to the 1940s, Kelly was almost exclusively a male name, though not a particularly common one. As a boy’s name it peaked in the 1960s but was already eclipsed by Kelly as a girl’s name, which was huge in the 1970s. By 2000, Kelly had almost disappeared as a boy’s name (for new babies, that is), and was very much in decline as girl’s name, too.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Bobby Cox appears a tad daft, imho
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Dec 19, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Well, if we're going to make an offer,
I think you’re going to have to chip in most of it. Law student’s “salary” doesn’t go real far here…
OK, speaking seriously, we don’t know if the A’s have offered him. He’s fairly under-the-radar, and remember that the Scutaro offer wasn’t leaked until after he had already signed with Boston.
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
neither does college baseball player's salary
since i don’t play for USC
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Yes, and the author of the article wrote:
“Not sure on the details, but we’re guessing it’s a one-year deal worth $2 million or so.” which seems to me like wild speculation. It could be more than that, though likely not that much more considering he made $2.8MM last year and wasn’t that good.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
PT, you think he can play 3B?
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Dec 19, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
I won't pretend to know
but even if he’s just a decent-hitting utility guy a la a younger Mark DeRosa, that’s still worth the relatively cheap salary that he’ll be earning.
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
I was gonna say I like Johnson
uh, well, I mean wether he can play 3b or not.
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Dec 19, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
What's this on the sidebar about Cust going to the Giants?
Jack in the National League? They do have tape of him “playing” OF right?
The Royals and Tigers make more sense but it’s hard to imagine those two teams giving him much money.
Of course if the Evil Empire will give Nick “Glass” Johnson over 5 million someone should be able to pony up 4 million for Cust. (how about the A’s?)
Jack Cust playing outfield for the Giants every day
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Sabean will open the bank
Knowing sabean he will offer Cust a 5 year 60 million deal. LOL If Sabean wanted Cust why didn’t he trade for him. Thats right Sabean is afraid to trade with Beane.
Because he guessed the A's would non tender him so he could pay with cash and not prospects?
I mean, I don’t think the Giants want him. But yeah.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
Wanted to say:
“So they wanted to double the amount they were paying to guys who winning teams laugh at the thought of starting?”
Sadly funny, sadly true.
This was expected
When the A’s were winning every year a lot of players were willing to look past the crappy stadium, small fan base, and tiny payroll to play for a winner.
Now that the A’s have lost three years in a row, the A’s are finding out what it’s like to be the Royals. Until the A’s get another 90 win season or a stadium in San Jose, they will fave to massively overpay to get a free agent to come here.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
OK, so I've thought about this
and, um, I got nothing. It’s inexplicable that one would offer guaranteed money to Carroll and not Cust.
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
Especially when you have Aaron Miles on the roster
And while Carroll is probably better than Miles, for the purposes of this A’s team, they’re basically the same guy.
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by thejd44 on Dec 19, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Well... maybe Ned pissed off Billy during the meetings
and to screw with him, he offered a guy he was going after a little more money in the hopes of causing the Dodgers to up their offer and wind up paying more for a guy Billy never really wanted.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
grasping at straws most likely
but stranger things have happened, i guess.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
1000 posts is going to take a lot of filler
and a lot of small paper cranes
(one)
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 19, 2009 12:01 AM PST reply actions
It's going to have to be sort of like a telethon...
with a bunch of foam peanutty filler thrown together to provide the desperate illusion of entertainment.
(two paper cranes)
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 19, 2009 12:02 AM PST reply actions
Here's a short rap about Jamey Carroll
If your utility man is Jamey Carroll
filling gaps in the infield is like shooting fish in a barrel
the cowering bass look overhead at death staring back at a one eyed mass
with a long schlong that echoes shrapel’s song into each scaly ass
(three paper cranes)
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 19, 2009 12:06 AM PST reply actions
How about a limerick?
There once was a man named Carroll
When he started, his team was in peril
On defense, not stout
On offense, an out
And watching him made every fan sterile
brutal
how about first-person…
i’m a free agent named jamey
i could go to the a’s, they will pay me
i looked at their stadium
dug deep in my cranium
and i told ned colletti “L.A. me”.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Dec 19, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Quality work, people!
a little more East Dublin than East LA, but quite alright.
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 19, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
east pleasanton actually
close enough
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Ahem
Jamey once played in the mountains
Couldn’t hit, so he hired an accountant
When the Town offered pay
He snubbed them for L.A.
Now bench-ridden, he sits, millions countin’
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Did you know that Abraham Lincoln
was born in a log cabin that he built with his own two hands?
(four paper cranes)
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 19, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions
Thomas Jefferson invented the pylon
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Dec 19, 2009 6:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, but there really is a fun fact about Garfield.
He was ambidextrous and could write with either hand. Not only that but he could write with both hands at the same time. Not only that but he could write with both hand at the same time writing Latin with one hand and Greek with the other. Now there’s an awesome party trick.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Goshdiggity, it's gonna take forever to get this up to a thousand comments.
Good thing Evil Don said I’m gonna get paid a dollar a comment.
If I comment fast enough, I’ll get paid better than I do for stealing shopping carts from one store and selling them to another.
(five paper cranes)
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 19, 2009 12:10 AM PST reply actions
Good thing Ricky and Julian started AN.
Why they’re interested in a BASEBALL team all the way down in California, fuckifiknow.
(six paper cranes)
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 19, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
somebody get me some pepperoni!
"Sniff some krazy glue, and start a religion!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 20, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Silence Infidel
(seven paper cranes)
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
We're up to 50
(Well, 51 now.) That’s definitely gotta be worth something, considering it’s Jamey Carroll.
will crosby spread his legs so far apart at bat that the games will have to be rated nc-17 -- emperor nobody
Jamie Carroll not worth thinking about
Amazing that this insignifigant garbage player is getting this much attention. Just shows how weak the A’s off-season is so far.
by BlueMoon on Dec 19, 2009 6:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Its not that Jack Cust isn't worth 4.5 million (probably isn't though)...
Its that there are SO MANY option at DH this offseason.
about 20+ names…..VLADDY anyone?
how much do you think
that vlad is going to get?
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
I agree.
Vlad will likely get Matsui money, but even Matsui is not quite as done as Vlad.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Dec 20, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
This.
Way too much poopy pants around her re a fairly crap player
"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King
by Buck Turgidson on Dec 19, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
jamie at 14
looking up at his idol Mattingly from his home town saying to himself one day I will play next to you. The man crush never goes away and when the opportunity comes up he jumps at it. The love blossoms into more than a crush and one day Torre walks into the locker room at the wrong time and opps its another holywood story. Jamie wakes up from his sleep and thinks to himself. Yes I will sign with the dodgers today to be next to my true love donnie.. And the story begins.
We have a winner!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
yes yes yes
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Cust better the Vlad? Yea....ok...good luck with that
Injured or not….Vlad is still a hitting machine who doesn’t strike out 200 times a year. The guy can flat out hit the ball….cust is done in oakland..
Uh..
Cust, 2009: .342 wOBA, 1.0 WAR
Vlad, 2009: .343 wOBA, 0.8 WAR
Also Vlad is broken and more expensive and likely to be even worse this year.
So what were you saying?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
That's not exactly a startling difference there
And if Cust is snatched away by another team, Vlad isn’t a terrible option. I’d rather overpay for Vlad than waste money on Jamey Caroll
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Dec 19, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
.357 OBP vs .334 OBP
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
This is silly --
Vlad clearly was the better offensive force, but is now a shell of himself. How much of a shell answers who is now better.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Dec 19, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No, Nico, he clearly was not -- if you're talking about 2009 alone.
Vlad’s OPS was .794 to Cust’s .773. As it was already pointed out, Cust’s higher OBP counters Vlad’s higher SLG.
Their “basic” stats were close, aside from Vlad’s empty batting average, but pretty much all the advance stuff agrees that they were almost identical, and it’s silly to think that Cust was nontendered and people are talking about Vlad as if he’s a commodity that should be sought after.
Now, if you meant “Vlad clearly was the better offensive force” in the context of the guy once being pretty much the most feared right handed hitter in the league, then yes I agree with that.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Yes, that's what I mean
The issue is whether Vlad has fallen from “better than Cust” to “equal to Cust” to “worse than Cust” — only the last part is a question regarding what each has left in the task; the rest is pretty apparent.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well, sure, Vlad WAS better
But what he did in 2004 really isn’t part of the conversation going on here.
If you had to have one guy as your 2010 DH, Cust is the better guy to have even before you factor in the contract. Cust is a better offensive player right now.
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by thejd44 on Dec 20, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Like mikev said, the difference in OBP makes up for it.
Your day breaks, your mind aches.
You find that all her words of kindness linger on
when she no longer needs you.
CHONE projects Cust to be roughly 9 runs better than Vlad as well.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Dec 19, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
anyone see this?
I’m not sure where else to post this, I never look at the fanposts/fanshots, so I figured it’s better in a thread. The Giants claims A’s moving to San Jose infringes upon their territory. I had heard that the Giants felt this way, but now there are lawyers involved sending letters to the commissioner and such.
Trust me, you can count on us, we're always inconsistent
Tomorrow was like yesterday, today is always different
eh, this isn't unexpected
But to be clear: it’s not the Giants themselves, but the city attorney of SF writing this. Either way, I expect the Giants to express their “grave concern” to the commissioner using lawyers as well. Just a bunch of posturing.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Dec 19, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not sure what SF is thinking on this one. It’s about as absurd as SF trying to block a McDonalds from being built in San Jose because it would potentially take away business from their McDonalds. Especially when Oakland’s old stadium (and any new one they might build there) is quite literally right across the bay from the Giants’ stadium. No foundation.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
So we share the same position, eh?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Giants position = SHUT UP
Signed,
28 other franchises that want more $$$ in the MLB revenue pool
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I've heard that San Jose has been "Giants territory" for a fairly short amount of time
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by thejd44 on Dec 20, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Deleted. Didn't meet fanpost requirements,
and was not verified as true.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What?
“Some guy is my cousin” isn’t credible?
Talk about strict.
Next you’ll tell me that the voices in my head are wrong about the pending Cahill for Pujols deal.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
wow
you all are silly for that one. Not everything needs a link. this is a blog not some serious website. you will feel stupid when it beco,es official anyday second now.
by De'quan Harris on Dec 19, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions
You may have been right, but that wasn't the point.
Besides, can’t a blog aspire to be a “serious website”?
Your day breaks, your mind aches.
You find that all her words of kindness linger on
when she no longer needs you.
link
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/coco-crisp-nearing-agreement-with-athletics.html
why so quiet?
by De'quan Harris on Dec 19, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions
Just a guess
But I’d assume that the post was deleted because A) It didn’t meet the 75 word requirement for a Fanpost, and 2) There was no link or anything involved.
I’d post it again, with the link, and not a bunch of OMG OMG OMG GO A’S GO A’S GO A’S stuff to get it to 75 workds.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Any relation to Dequan "Smallpox" Randolph?
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
Wonderful.
Now I can replace my, “HEYYYY, BOBBY!” chjeer with the ever-loved, “HEYYYY, COCO. SNAP, CRACKLE, AND POP OUT!” I was afraid I’d have nobody left to actively despise at A’s games anymore.
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling there'll be plenty of room for hatred. Start with Pennington and Miles.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, about that.
With all the talk about giving Petit a chance, I think it’s too early to count out Pennington. I’m calling it here. He’s going to surprise the whole entire lot o’ ya.
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
So does Crosby
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Jeez, Wads.
Why’d you have to salt that wound? I miss the glass bastard already. sniff
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
and he can hit pitchers who've never read a scouting report.
That has to count for something.
Usually a good 100 K’s and a DFA, but technically… that’s something.
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
I don't believe you.
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Or Hairston is traded for a SS/3B
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
or Hairston and Davis are traded for a 3B
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I'm hoping for Coco - Rajai - Sweeney for the all-defense OF with Hairston traded.
They can keep Buck as 4th OF, and bring up Cunningham when someone gets hurt. Taylor would have to mash at AAA to force his way to Oakland.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Given that the team is now worse AND more expensive than it would have been by just keeping Jack Cust,
I’m not.
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
There's an outside chance Crisp is a 2 WAR player if he's the full time CF
but I don’t love paying him 5M
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I can see him as a 2 WAR player playing LF
CHONE has him -3 Batting RAA. His UZR projections are somewhere between +4 and +8 for CF, which could translate to +10 for LF. His baserunning has been worth about 4 RAA not including SB/CS. That’s a 2.4 WAR player.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
+5 mil
"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."
by CaliforniaJag on Dec 19, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
So, in other words...
NEW AND IMPROVED! YOUR TWO THOUSAND TEN OAKLAND ATHLETICS!
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sad that Rajai might be traded
A Crisp/Rajai/Sweeney OF would be insanely good defensively. Best in the bigs?
Congrats on the scoop De’quan (thumbs up)
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Bradley/Gutierrez/Ichiro is pretty redonkulous.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
We'd have all three +morethen10s
And Bradley might not be a +10 anymore.
Win: Oakland.
But then where does Taylor play later in the year?
(Gets a woody from our massive OF depth)
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
If I were Wakamatsu, I'd put Saunders in LF and DH Bradley.
Saunders could be a +8 or something
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 19, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure Bradley is ticketed for DH, all things considered
They can’t seriously see Griffey as anything but a stage prop at this point. It means they’d only really need to sign a 1B, and there are plenty of those kicking around.
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
I'd empty the farm for Adrian Gonzalez in their position.
Start with Morrow and Triunfel/Moore and add whatever pieces you have to. I might even include Saunders and go with Langerhans in LF.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 20, 2009 4:00 AM PST up reply actions
Do that and sign Holliday
Might as well go broke or go home.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
There is almost no possible package of Seattle players that I would accept for Adrian Gonzalez
if I was in San Diego’s position. I’m not sure their entire remaining tradable farm system adds up to his surplus value over the next two years.
O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?
3B
Where he played for 26 seasons with the Milwaukee Rockets.
+1,000,000,000 if you get the reference.
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 19, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
If they trade Raj I'd be seriously bummed.
Hairston yes, Raj no.
Didn’t Crisp sit out most of last year?
Both shoulders operated on
He was supposedly going to be OK by October-December.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Yikes.
I’m not sure what I’d rather hear—dual shoulder operation, or just plain sucked.
Your day breaks, your mind aches.
You find that all her words of kindness linger on
when she no longer needs you.
For apathy toward research...
does anybody know what’s going on with Blazi?
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
I don't think we're going to make it to a 1000 posts
because all the heat has switched over to Coco! May this Jamey Carrol post RIP
here's my contribution to the count
there, despite what they say at the office I am a team player.
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
Does everyone forget
Jamey Carroll was part of the atrocity that became the 2007 World Series the same Rockies that ended the season 31 for 33 was anybody else at the same play-in game that should have gone to Adrian Gonzalez’s 8th-inning salami and the Pads where Matt Happy Holliday slid past home before Bob Kielty drove the dagger deep into their hearts has anyone else seen the ridiculous mascot they use in Denver and before you get started I don’t want to hear anything about your 8-inn salami
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
Revival of earlier topics
Last night I was up until three
Couldn’t sleep so ‘twas AN for me
The last post I read
Before going to bed
Was by EN, so Emp, this one’s for thee
HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. C'MON, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. HEYYYY, BOBBY. LET'S GO BOBBAYYYYYYYYYY!
by OaklandNative on Dec 20, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
i like it
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
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