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Johnson > Matsui

Off-the-cuff thoughts, 15 minutes or less...

MLBTR is reporting that the Yankees are very close to completing a one-year, $5.5M deal with Nick Johnson to be their DH. 


Earlier this offseason, the Angels inked Hideki Matsui to a one-year, $6.5M pact.

Clearly, the Yankees made a decision that they prefer Johnson to Matsui, and I have to think it's for a reason other than money, because the one-million dollar difference in the deals they signed wouldn't seem to be enough to dissuade a $200M+ payroll team's decision making.

At one point this offseason, Cashman said that he was considering leaving the DH position open for a "floating" DH, which certainly has some credence since he has tens of millions committed to aging offensive players.  He also mentioned the option of leaving DH open for AAA Cuban defector Juan Miranda

Instead, he ends up signing a player who is more injury prone than Matsui strictly to DH, even though the lack of flexibility was Matsui's greatest knock.  Although Johnson could play first base, Teixiera is an iron man there, and Swisher or Miranda could spell him on off-days. 

The real head-scratcher for me, though, is the marketing aspect.   At one point this offseason I read sportswriter speculation that Hideki Matsui generated as much as $15M in additional revenue for the Yankees, based upon merchandise and television broadcasting of Yankees games back in Japan.  That figure is likely an exaggeration, but undoubtedly Matsui offers more in the way of tertiary revenue than Nick Johnson does.  Signing Nick Johnson doesn't increase the Yankee brand. 

So, what does AN think was the thought process behind the move?  I have respect for the Yankee front office and for Cashman's decision-making...do they simply think Johnson is a better bet to stay healthy?  Is the age difference the ultimate deciding factor?  Or did the landscape for the Yankees change significantly after Lackey and Cameron signed and Halladay and Lee were traded?

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I think that it's because Cashman is down with (Johnson's) OBP.

And, if there’s one team that can afford a 5 million dollar risk attached to a notoriously brittle player, the Yankees can eat the cost a lot easier than most. If Nick-the-Stick is healthy, he’s a bargain at the price.

by LowcountryJoe on Dec 17, 2009 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

Also...

Nick Johnson has a career 3.7 UZR/150 at 1B, whereas Matsui is horrendously awful in the field (and always has been).
Johnson looks like the better bet if healthy IMO. His power could perk up with the LHB wind tunnel as well.

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by Daniel777 on Dec 17, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions  

Johnson, if he's healthy, is an overall better player.

For a million dollars cheaper, that’s a no brainer.

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by mikev on Dec 17, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions  

Foreign revenue is shared
The real head-scratcher for me, though, is the marketing aspect. At one point this offseason I read sportswriter speculation that Hideki Matsui generated as much as $15M in additional revenue for the Yankees, based upon merchandise and television broadcasting of Yankees games back in Japan.

All foreign revenue—including merchandise and broadcasting rights—is shared equally among the 30 MLB teams.

by Danny on Dec 17, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

good info, Danny

Didn’t know that, thank you.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 17, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. That sure pokes a hole in some of the

arguments we saw in favor of the A’s getting Matsui.

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by iglew on Dec 18, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but is that what they really mean in terms of revenue generated by Matsui?

For example, I doubt Japanese companies are beating down the A’s doors to place ads in the Coliseum, but they might have been in Yankee Stadium. I certainly saw such ads there. Further, I imagine that Japanese people living in America generated quite a lot of revenue by buying Yankee gear instead of other gear. That would also help explain why Seattle makes so much money despite not being an enormous market.

This is all speculation, of course.

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by jeepers on Dec 18, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle may not be an enormous market,

but it is well permeated. I see way more Mariners paraphernalia in the Seattle area than I see A’s paraphernalia in the Bay Area (or Giants even).

Also, in Seattle the baseball team is more popular than the football team, which definitely is not the case in the Bay Area.

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by iglew on Dec 18, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

All the odder given the total lack of success of the baseball team by comparison to football

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by PaulThomas on Dec 18, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think 1995 created the fanbase

(or rather it created the larger fanbase on top of the loyal core that was there for the losing teams) and they’ve been riding that ever since. But recent moves, I think, suggest a determination that that wave is finally wearing out and they can’t ride it any more.

From our point of view, Zduriencik is smart and Bavasi was incompetent, but that’s because we tend to see wins as the only goal worth keeping track of. From Nintendo’s point of view, I think they see winning seasons as one possible strategy for success and not the measure of it per se. But they’ve reached a point where they need some again, and that’s why they were ready to let go of Bavasi (who was not good at winning) and replace him with Zduriencik (who is).

You see it in other things, too. For many years, the Mariners put a lot of focus on maintaining the integrity of their brand. That’s why they tended to prefer big name players, were reluctant to let go of players who had solid name recognition, and ran away from troubled players who were hard to fold into their family-friendly story. That’s all changed now. The first two were apparent last year, and now with Milton Bradley they’ve clearly let go of the third as well.

Fans, especially analyst types outside of Seattle, tend to want to paint that as simply getting rid of a bad GM and finally getting a good one who doesn’t have such dumb priorities. But I don’t think it comes from the GM. I think it comes from the top, and Z is more the result of a change in strategy than the cause. I don’t think Occam’s razor supports the assumption that the Nintendo bosses were simply too blind to see what all of us had known for years, that Bavasi just wasn’t good at his job. Corporate bureaucracy may move slow, but it doesn’t move that slow. I think you have to assume that for whatever reason they were content with the team how it was running. When they reached the point where the team needed a new direction, Bavasi was let go and they went looking for a new GM whose skills were more along the lines of building a winning team, and by luck or by skill, they got one in Zduriencik. Of course, we tend to assume that whenever a club hires a GM they’re looking for one who will build a winning team, but again I don’t think that’s quite true. Sure, no one is against wins, but it’s not the only consideration for a GM, and depending on the club’s needs they might emphasize it more or less.

None of this is to take away from Z’s awesomeness. I have surely praised him here on AN far more than is seemly for an A’s fan. That said, I think he’s not quite what many imagine him to be. His success, and M’s fans’ glee at suddenly jumping from arguably the worst GM in baseball to arguably the best, has led to a lot of people projecting their own ideals onto Z.

For one thing, Z is very much an old-school guy. We forget this now, but he was the least sabermetrically inclined of the candidates. The “moneyball” types all wanted Chris Antonetti or maybe Tony LaCava. Like any smart leader, Z is open to whatever resources are available to him, so he doesn’t stupidly ignore stats, but his background and his manner are from the old scout network.

Z was one of the oldest candidates for the job but also the one with the weakest resume. If it were just about ass-covering and not looking foolish, it would have been much “safer” for the club to choose one of the many candidates who had had success as assistant GM. This suggests to me they really were looking for the guy who could best assemble a winning team.

Another thing often overlooked is that, like Beane, Zduriencik is a master schmoozer. I think that has been absolutely crucial to his success. Here on the blogs we sometimes act as if the measure of a GM is just to know that player A is better than player B, or that player C is worth $x million but not worth $y million, etc. But it’s not just about knowledge and evaluation. You still have to cultivate relationships with the other GMs and get the deals done. You still have to work with the agents and players and get the contracts signed. Personal and business skills matter, and Z has them.

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by iglew on Dec 19, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm aware of Z-man's background

but the thing is, as soon as he “took office,” as it were, he immediately went out and hired a bunch of top-notch stats people. It took all of, I dunno, a week or so to dispel the notion that he was another Sabean type. He did what smart executives do: hire people in the areas where he was himself weak, instead of pretending that those areas are unimportant or useless.

In many ways, he’s just tracing the same path that Beane himself did. Beane (rather obviously, from looking at his statline) was no SABR-geek during his playing days.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 19, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree that he's following the Beane path.

Hence this.

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by iglew on Dec 19, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

The baseball team wasn't more popular when I was growing up.

Griffey, Edgar, and Safeco put them ahead of the Seahawks, and Ichiro has kept them there.

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by jeepers on Dec 18, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

dan johnson?

dan johnson.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 17, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know what this means.

But I wish you’d just post an image of Knight Rider’s car jumping off a ramp and flying through a window.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 17, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Close enough?

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by mikev on Dec 17, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

google

“f—- the fremont a’s, i’m ghostriding my volvo” or something of the like.

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by flipgatey3 on Dec 17, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The A's should offer Nick Johnson $6million to be their DH

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by Nico on Dec 17, 2009 9:07 PM PST reply actions  

Wouldn't it be so awesome...

…watching Chavez and Johnson rack up incredible stats, in the middle of the order, for just $21 million between them? “Yes!” Okay, then what if I told you that those stats were accumulated while the two were sitting around in the clubhouse playing an Xbox game together while nursing back and leg injuries?

by LowcountryJoe on Dec 18, 2009 2:28 AM PST up reply actions   5 recs

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by Daniel777 on Dec 18, 2009 5:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Well...

it would give Fosse & Kuiper something to watch & talk about other than dibs while the A’s struggle in ’10. Might be worth it just for that.

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by DMOAS on Dec 18, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

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by cuppingmaster on Dec 18, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Dec 18, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You're assuming that Johnson, at DH, could not stay healthy

I think he’s good enough (career .402 OBPs not growing on trees and all) that at $6mil it’s well worth the risk.

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by Nico on Dec 18, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

What I am assuming is that Chavez is a 13 million dollar paper weight.

And that it’s going to economically hurt again. So why roll the dice with $6 mi more when there’s internal options that should be tried/given additional chances.

I’m not arguing Johnson’s potential bargain price [in fact, I stated Johnson’s upside up-thread] but it’s not a good risk for the Athletics, IMO. Once the $13 million paper weight at third becomes a 3 mil dollar payoff, the flexibility to make this kind of deal becomes much more reasonable. That’s my assumptions…even though I do not know what the front office can or cannot afford to do.

by LowcountryJoe on Dec 18, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The notion that they can't spend $6M on a player is preposterous

Partly because they’ve already made inquiries which make it clear that they have the money to spend (Scutaro, Beltre) and partly because the current payroll is at barely over 50% what it was last season, which wasn’t anything like a “max effort” dollar commitment.

The A’s can easily spend another $15M without breaking a sweat. If they opt not to, well, people are going to get cranky over things like this.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 18, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

If they can find someone worth paying for great

But if not, I’d hope they’d hold back, critics be damned, so that they’re able to spend it next year on someone who’s worth it.

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by DMOAS on Dec 18, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Never wrote that the team couldn't afford it. Preposterous for you to conclude that I did.

What I did write, however, is that why should they spend the money? In context, what we’re specifcally discussing is if Nick Johnson — oft injured 1B/DH-type with plenty already in the organization that could be given shots for much less cost — would be worth the risk for the Athletics at this given time.

Pardon me for not be as aware of the Athletics finances’ — and what the owners are willing to spend — as you seem to be.

If they opt not to, well, people are going to get cranky over things like this.

Oh, damn! Maybe the cranky people will stop coming to games…and then what would the attendance look like?

by LowcountryJoe on Dec 18, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's how I read your comment too.

So not so preposterous.

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by DMOAS on Dec 18, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If they are not near their hypothetical payroll ceiling,

what difference does Eric Chavez make? Either signing Nick Johnson is a good idea, or it isn’t. (I’d lean toward “isn’t,” I’ll admit.) The fact that there’s some other sunk cost on the roster is irrelevant.

I assumed you were implying a lid on team spending because otherwise your prior post contains extraneous information.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 18, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't claim to know this hypothetical payroll ceiling or if the FO is near it

But I am having trouble understanding how a sunk cost is irrelevant. I understand that businesses must forget about sunk costs and move on from them and not waste time thinking about them until the sunk obligation has run its course. But in a game where paying for talent to compete is costly [unless a team gets very lucky with its cost-controlled players] having $13 million less to spend than a team otherwise could have spent is going to move that team closer to the hypothetical payroll ceiling. Being closer to the ceiling means not having the ability to spend as much. Not being able to spend as much should mean [unless circumstances break correctly] being less competitive.

For a team like Oakland, it seems to me a $13 million sunk cost causes some hardship. Tacking on a potential good deal in the form of an often injured 1B/DH could very well lead to another sunk cost, moving the team closer to the ceiling without anything to add to the level the team competes at.

I maintain that the financial resources that Chavez takes up is very relevant to what the FO does while it builds this team. Now, as to me implying a lid on spending: if by lid you mean that it’s my position that the Athletics cannot spend any more, then, no, that’s not my position. I do not know what the team can afford to do. I just have to believe that Chavez’s status has to be limiting to the team in this regard and that it is relevant that he’s a sunk cost. And adding more players that could find themselves in a ‘Chavez status’ is probably not the wise thing to do.

That’s it, really! Now being the good JD that you are, I’m sure you’ll attempt to reconstruct the discussion because now that you’re invested in this discussion you’ll want to see a payout [to win or show me up] and chase your sunk costs with even more of them. By all means, PT, if you’re not close to your ceiling on this one, then spend away.

by LowcountryJoe on Dec 19, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we can agree that there is a level of suck

beyond which there’s not much point in making short-term investments in a team— you might just as well “play the kids” and try to improve the team for the long haul.

The A’s are not that bad, however. Given that, they ought to work within their budget to maximize the chances of contending next season. The budget is smaller than it “should” be because Chavez is eating 12 (not 13) million dollars of it next year, but that doesn’t make the task impossible, just difficult.

The rest of this, well, frankly, I just don’t understand. It’s far better to have players who will be “either good or injured” (so that you’re either winning or getting playing time for rookies) than to fill up a roster with aging mediocrities. A player’s deal is either good or bad. Good deals are good whether or not the player is durable. Durability influences the value a player is projected to provide, but what you’re doing is essentially double-counting it.

Taking risky plays is a smart strategy when you are not favored to win. There’s a reason why those 13 seeds in the NCAA tournament jack up 3-pointers all over the place.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 19, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm really interested

How would you spend money in this market? Go after Beltre? A veteran SP? How do you feel about the remaining DH-types on the market (not including Cust, since I know you would take him back ASAP)? Do you think any of them are worth an attempt to catch a lightning in a bottle?

by Manstein on Dec 19, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally I think Delgado is

First off, the guy was an amazing hitter for many years. So you have the Thomas 2006-like potential there.

Second of all, he’s 37, not 39-40, and DHing would give him better odds of staying healthy.

Third of all, he’s coming off a season where he put up a line of .298/.393/.521 (in 106 PAs). Methinks he still has something left in the tank.

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by Nico on Dec 19, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

That might be true

But wouldn’t 2010 be a better season to use the DH as an “open tryout” of sorts for guys like Cunningham who need to get MLB at bats to find out if they’re worth keeping around?

I mean, if one hitter were possibly enough to put us over the top next season, I’d go for it, but that doesn’t seem to be the case

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by mikev on Dec 19, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

To me, it's not about "getting over the top,"

it’s about “getting to the point of possibly hanging around in the race until you know how things are shaking down.”

Who knows how good Seattle will be or how healthy Texas will be or how LAA will do relative to their pythag? If you have a “.500 or better” team, you have a chance to assess, July 1st, whether you’re buyers or sellers the rest of the way. If you’re in too big a hole, then even if the division turns out to be for the taking, you’re not in position to make a move.

And with a good version of Delgado, I’d say the A’s could have a team at least good enough to “hang around” and see what 2010 has to offer.

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by Nico on Dec 19, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you rather use the $ on Delgado

or put it toward Beltre?

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by mikev on Dec 19, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Beltre

Delgado is a band aid, Beltre is a full body cast.

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by Daniel777 on Dec 19, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on whether Beltre even wants to come to Oakland

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by Nico on Dec 19, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I see three possibilities

1) We get 3 months of good Delgado and we’re contenders, yay!
2) We get 3 months of good Delgado and we’re really not contenders, he becomes good trade fodder. Use the kids to fill the role in the 2nd half where we’re likely to have more kids needing playing time.
3) We get 3 month or less of bad Delgado, we bail on him and use the kids to fill the role in the 2nd half where we’re likely to have more kids needing playing time.

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by DMOAS on Dec 19, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that from a cost/upside ratio perspective, he makes about as much sense as anyone

The way I see it, the team has about $20M to spend, but some of it probably should be invested long-term rather than short-term. So I’d tend toward signing Beltre and Chapman above the other available options.

Let’s say $9M for Beltre (first year of a 3 year deal), $7M as an immediate signing bonus for Chapman (with another $13M or so in contract guarantees for the next five seasons), and $4M for either Kelly Johnson or resigning Jack Cust. I’d be pretty happy with that offseason.

If Beltre or Chapman turns down the proffered deal, and it’s likely that at least one will, or if your scouts really aren’t sold on Chapman’s ability or makeup, then you can start looking at the Delgado types.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 19, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

This is exactly what my offseason would like.

Except I’d sign Coco Crisp first. Wait…what?

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by vignette17 on Dec 20, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions  

damn

as I recall, last year BB was trying to trade the Nat’s for Nick Johnson. He was undervalued then, having some perpetual “injury issue”. If we had him instead of Cust…imagine.

by rollierollieOxenfree on Dec 17, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

I can imagine

It would be like having a rather similar player who is perhaps slightly better, but also more brittle than your average ice sculpture.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 18, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Hah

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by PaulThomas on Dec 18, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Could it be as simple as the five years of age difference?

I also wonder if the Yankees aren’t in the best position to exploit the pool of brittle but talented players. As you’ve noted before, unlike most teams, they can afford the luxury of mid level FA bench players.

by rebus on Dec 17, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I think the age difference sealed it

They may have thought Matsui was going to pull a stiff, sudden, drop to the plummets of sub-replacement level, like certain other aging ex-Yankees 1B/DHs recently did after their mega-contracts expired and they signed smaller contracts.

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by Blicks on Dec 18, 2009 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Am I the only one who read this as "pull a stiffy"?

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by PaulThomas on Dec 18, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

The Giants really, really dropped the ball big time

I mean, 1 year commitment to a plus defensive 1B who’s got OBP? Isn’t this EXACTLY what they need.

And where the hell were the Braves and Mets? Both teams needed bats, big time. The Braves could afford that premium, and you’d think Johnson would be inclined to go to a team where he’d be on the field, since that increases his value. I know Minaya and Sabean are stupid, but Wren? Seriously?

Seriously. NL FAIL.

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by Blicks on Dec 18, 2009 7:18 AM PST reply actions  

Seriously. NL FAIL.

This

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by Daniel777 on Dec 18, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Vlad DH > Damon DH > Johnson

Money doesn’t matter, it the Yankees.

See A-Rod, Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Jeter, and Mark Tex. contracts!

by MMunoz33 on Dec 18, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

Pettite... Damon... Matsui...

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by brenarlo on Dec 18, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's 8-0... bad contracts... I was adding to your list.

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by brenarlo on Dec 18, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

There all indeed bad contracts...

I just thought that maybe those 3 players partcular contracts were somewhat an attempt to focus on a spending budget…

My bad!

by MMunoz33 on Dec 18, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I do not agree that Vlad > Johnson.

Johnson might be brittle, but Vlad is no iron man. And Johnson is simply a better hitter now.

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by thejd44 on Dec 18, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll let mike axisa speak for me
Why is everyone talking about Nicky J. vs Matsui? The Yanks went to NJ because Damon is asking for the noon, not because Matsui’s in LA.

by PL78 on Dec 18, 2009 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

Or an Adam Sandler character

O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
Spencer: What kind of fire are we talking about-- "Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial" fire, or "misusing the word literally" fire?

by PaulThomas on Dec 18, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

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