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Lackey -> Red Sox, Halladay -> Phillies, Lee -> M's

I feel as if this is A's related, since it pertains to two of our division rivals significantly changing.

So, yeah, looks like the slegnA won't get their ace, as 3 (!!!) have just changed hands.

 

Top free agent pitcher John Lackey is said to be in agreement on a five-year, $85 million contract with the Boston Red Sox, sources say. Lackey has scheduled a physical with the team.

Lackey's deal with the Red Sox is similar to the $82.5 million, five-year contract A.J. Burnett got with the Yankees last offseason. "That's what they were looking for,'' an AL executive said.

Lackey has had a couple minor issues with his shoulder and back in recent seasons, so the Red Sox will want to check him out. But nothing serious is expected to be found.


Sports Illustrated - source

I see this as a massive overpay for the Red Sox, as Lackey's got shoulder issues. But then, this is the Red Sox, so "massive overpay" sounds about par, although Theo Epstein generally isn't the one to massively overpay for players (exception given to Dice-K).

 

And, yeah, a massive 3 teamer where Halladay is to the Phillies, Cliff Lee goes to the M's, and prospects (from both teams, most likely) go to the Jays, has been agreed on.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/roy-halladay-rumors-monday-1.html

Yes, I'm linking to MLBtr. I'll update once a non-twitter source posts.

And, the Mariners are looking like the favorites to win the division.

Although, I'm heavily skeptical of the 3 teamer, as it is absolutely ridiculous. What would the M's be giving the Jays? Ackley can't be traded as a PTBNL, nor can any '09 draftee yet. Phillippe Aumont?, Michael Pineda?, Michael Saunders? Carlos Triunfel? This will be interesting to see what the Jays get.

 

EDIT (5:12 PM PST): Well, now Drabek's involved, and Aumont might not be. And Happ may be involved, and Domonic Brown may be involved, and our own favorite Cupcakes Blanton may be involved. Who's involved? This is insane.

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I’ll delete mine.

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by vegAN ryAN on Dec 14, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

YEAH BUT WE TRADED FOR JAKE FOX!!!1one!

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Loser mania!

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Just Glaus over the theme of the replies, why don't cha! ;)

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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 14, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

(It's thematic, and anagrammatic)

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

WHY IT'S GREASED LIGHTNING!

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Gninthgil des -- ?

I give up.

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

AND CUST IZ GONE!!!

and that means……

NO MORE STRICKOUTS1111

by PL78 on Dec 14, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I CAN'T HAZ CUST?

"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow

by 9Custs on Dec 14, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, Tim Brown says

Matsui to the Angels for 1yr/$6.5 mil is done.

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by vegAN ryAN on Dec 14, 2009 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

So I guess this officially stamps Vlad's ticket out of town

if it was ever in doubt.

I wasn’t all that excited about the possibility of adding Matsui even at a reasonable price like this so I’m happy to let the Angel’s play the aging vet game.

by DiegoAsFan on Dec 14, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe now the Giants can finally sign him and win that World Series.

Oh, wait…

Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson

by UncleLeo on Dec 14, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Now Batting...

Vladmir Bonds.

They’d have to flip the park around though.

by LoneStranger on Dec 14, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Woohoo!

I’m sure Matsui will be good there just like Abreu was last year, but I’m glad the A’s didn’t spend money on him.

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by thejd44 on Dec 14, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

:(

Me no likey!

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by mrod on Dec 14, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

what?!?!

you mean to tell me we couldn’t afford $6.5? wtf !

by sf drift king on Dec 14, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would we want him?

There is a decent chance he won’t be any better than Cust next season. We aren’t going to win anything next season and he won’t be around the next time the A’s are good. If Beane has decided on going into full blown rebuild mode then signing Matsui makes no sense. Ideally they will let Buck and Cunningham get the majority of at bats and spend the spare cash on draft picks and international free agents, although I am skeptical about either of those happening.

by DeJay on Dec 15, 2009 4:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Presumably Jack Hannahan is the centerpiece of this deal

Interesting move from the Mariners – they must be pretty confident that they can extend Cliff ‘adverb’ Lee.

Are they really strong enough to be division favorites this year? It seems a little early in a redevelopment cycle to go all in on a one year deal for a pitcher — or am I misreading this?

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions  

at the Mariners?

They just hired Jack Zduriencik as GM last offseason. Which is why they have been getting better and not making mostly stupid trades

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This year seems like a good year to go for it for them.

Angels are losing a lot of people. Rangers pitching still is raw. A’s still a year or two away. Also who know’s if they will be able to resign Felix when his contract is up.
So the AL west is wide open. Having a chance to get into the playoffs with a rotation with Felix and Lee might be worth a shot.

"Macha hates you"- Tacoma fans heckling Kielty

by zaniac75 on Dec 14, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, there's definitely an argument to be made... I'm a little surprised, though.

Still, if I were a Mariners fan I’d be pretty excited

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Just skimmed the LL thread

Linky.

Oh man.

I just gave a stray cat a splinter from the woody I just got.

by Slica on Dec 14, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

Hey Al, just go away, baby.

by doctorK on Dec 14, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I didn't factor in the draft picks

and if it all goes tits up, they can trade him mid season, should they wish

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

'tits up'

that might the greatest brittish-ism I’ve ever heard

by cityplANner on Dec 14, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I was interviewing a college softball coach once before the season

And he said his team was going to be “tits up,” that year. I thought that description was a little odd. Funny, but odd.

The horse jumped over the f---ing fence. / My photography

by JLaff on Dec 14, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Girl's softball?

It’s an old saying, btw. I used to hear it alot back in the 70s, and it’s probably older than that.

Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson

by UncleLeo on Dec 14, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Just this week a friend told me

a saying he remembers from his younger days growing up in Oklahoma: “That boy could dive into a tub full of tits and come out suckin’ his thumb.”

I’m not really sure what it means, but it sounds great. Especially with the accent.

"Starbucks doesn’t change its logo just because it no longer serves naked mermaids in Fremont." —Librocrat

by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Literally. (No, not figuratively, literally.)

by Faust on Dec 14, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It means that the boy is an habitual idiiot

who will always get it wrong. No matter what.

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by alox on Dec 16, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I took that as

That ’der boy is gay as a maypole.

by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 17, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It's sorta sexual-harassment-y in an indefinite way

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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Perfect.

I’ll use it at work in that case.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 14, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

But I was a little too confused to really say anything about it.

The horse jumped over the f---ing fence. / My photography

by JLaff on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Philly is supplying Cliff Lee.

They don’t need to add a hell of a lot more.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

But they're getting Halladay plus a window to negotiate an extension

Philly is going to give up some talent… rumor is one of their OF prospects.

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by grover on Dec 14, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Starks also mentions Taylor

He’s the guy the Phillies prefer to part with.

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by grover on Dec 14, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I've heard both Michael Taylor and Dominic Brown menitoned.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw a flash on ESPN hat said Halladay signed a 3 year extension

for 70 Fucking Million Dollars!

Cue Dave Chappelle: “I’m rich biatch!”

Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox

by mrod on Dec 14, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Halliday has the right to veto any trade

he’s said in the past that he strongly prefers to play for a team whose spring training is in Florida.

by OaklandSi on Dec 15, 2009 6:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok thanks

I just think any deal that doesn’t involve Drabek doesn’t make much sense for the Bluejays. There have been so many conflicting reports it will be interesting to see what the final deal is.

by DeJay on Dec 15, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions  

You may want to edit your comment ...

“massive overpay by the Red Sox”, as many on this site are convinced that only the Yankees have a payroll that dwarfs everyone else.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Dec 14, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

They kinda do...2009 numbers for top 11.

Team Payroll (US$)
1. NY Yankees 208,097,414
2. NY Mets 145,367,987
3. Chicago Cubs 134,058,500
4. Boston 122,435,399
5. Detroit 119,160,145
6. LA Angels 118,964,000
7. Seattle 112,053,666
8. Philadelphia 111,209,046
9. Houston 102,996,414
10. Chicago Sox 100,598,500
11. LA Dodgers 100,008,592

entire list

Red Sox are fourth, and 80m below the Yanks, and only 10m more than eighth place Phils. But I guess it depends on your definition of ‘dwarfs’ and ‘everyone else.’

by LoneStranger on Dec 14, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The Mets pay so, so much money to suck at baseball

Does this make Omar Minaya the worst GM in the sport? I mean, can you imagine in Beane had $145 million to work with?

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by thejd44 on Dec 14, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a close race.

Minaya, Sabean, Dayton Moore, and Ed Wade are all competing for the podium.

Bill Bavasi deserves special mention, too.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

the award should be named after Bavasi

don’t forgt Coletti

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Dec 14, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if we're including Bavasi,

Ricciardi’s gotta be in there. That 7yr/$126MM contract to Wells earns him a nomination alone.

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by danmerqury on Dec 14, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

he only gets off the hook because he found someone even stupider to pick up Alex Rios' millstone

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I went over to Cot's and found this staring at me.
2010 payroll obligations for former players: $10,000,000 (B.J. Ryan)

They’re paying BJ Ryan $10MM just to sit on his couch next season. They paid him a full $5MM after they cut him last season as well.

Your day breaks, your mind aches.
You find that all her words of kindness linger on
when she no longer needs you.

by danmerqury on Dec 14, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

oh yes. that's true. that's pretty horrifying...

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh. I've gotta say, Toronto's Cot's page is always worth a laugh or two.

Or three.

Your day breaks, your mind aches.
You find that all her words of kindness linger on
when she no longer needs you.

by danmerqury on Dec 14, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I heart the JP and Vernon show.

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by Blicks on Dec 14, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I'd take a minor league couch sitting contract

even with my veteran status

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll sit on my couch, a chair, or even a floor

I’m a utility sitter.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 14, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll call you next time the baby sitter goes on the DL

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Tigers paid that much or more for Sheffield to play FOR ANOTHER TEAM!

"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow

by 9Custs on Dec 14, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

And what's worse....

it was money well spent for them.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Dec 14, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Bavasi deserves a Lifetime Achievement in the Field of Suck award

I don’t think he can qualify for Worst GM since he’s technically not a GM (only a special assistant to Jocketty).

by Joey C. on Dec 15, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Beane might be just as bad.

Could be that Beane’s forte is the necessity of being creative, and take that away, and he’d be lost.

IIRC, wasn’t Minaya building a decent team in Montreal, hence his reputation and hiring by the Mets?

Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson

by UncleLeo on Dec 14, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

If you want to disregard trading Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Phillips to get Bartolo Colon for half a season

Then dealing Colon away for Jeff Liefer and Rocky Biddle right after.

"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."

by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 14, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

There were extenuating circumstances

It seriously looked like Montreal would be contracted after the season and they were giving it one last go.

by DeJay on Dec 15, 2009 4:30 AM PST up reply actions  

It was still a dumbass trade

"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."

by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 15, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I guaran-damn-tee that if Beane had a $150 million payroll the A's are a playoff team every year

Don’t you think Beane would love to be able to spend money?

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by thejd44 on Dec 15, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Not long after the episode when he almost went to Boston,

he commented that he thinks it’s more fun to be fiscally constrained. But that may have just been rationalization talking.

"Starbucks doesn’t change its logo just because it no longer serves naked mermaids in Fremont." —Librocrat

by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, more to the point

He might have done better even if it was less fun.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's probably waaaaay more challenging to make good trades when you don't have big bucks.

I could make a good trade if $$ was no object and I know little to nothing about it!!

by Berry Jo on Dec 16, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, Tampa Bay --

I’ll give you infinity dollars and you give me Evan Longoria!

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by Nico on Dec 16, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll pay twice as much as Nico is offering!

"Starbucks doesn’t change its logo just because it no longer serves naked mermaids in Fremont." —Librocrat

by iglew on Dec 16, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Then I want two Evan Longorias

Or an Evan and an Eva.

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by Nico on Dec 17, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

sigh.

I might have to become a Mariners fan now. I mean, I already enjoy reading LL… and they’re better than the Angels, so…

by whiteshoes40 on Dec 14, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

its a lot easier to build up your team

when the guy with the stupidest contract quits.

Imagine if the bedard deal never happened.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Dec 14, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Some of the basics have leaked

According to Stark:

To Toronto:

Phillipe Aumont (Sea)
Travis d’Arnaud (Phi)
Michael Taylor??? (Phi)

To Seattle:

Cliff Lee

To Philly:

Roy Halladay with a 3 year/$60 million extension
2 Seattle prospects

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 14, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Which two prospects, is the question

If it’s Saunders and Pineda, I’m happy. If it’s… well, really, anything else, not so happy.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

do you mean happy as in

’I’m happy that an A’s rival is overpaying’, or as in ’I’m speaking from the theoretical perspective of an M’s fan’

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd guess the former

since Saunders and Pineda are among Seattle’s best prospects (besides Aumont). Their system is pretty thin.

I’m curious what Paul thinks of Carlos Triunfel. I know he was hurt, but he still has wunderkind potential.

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I know pretty much nothing of any system outside of the A's

and to a small extent, the Giants

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I know pretty much nothing of any system outside of the A's

and to a small extent, the Mariners.

I mostly just repeat what I hear the smart M’s fans saying.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

As a 49er fan whose formative teams were the early-to-mid-90s edition,

I get really really nervous every time I see the phrase “broken tibia.”

I know Bryant Young was still damn good after the injury, but the guy was on a first-ballot Hall of Fame track before it.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Easily one of the most painful injuries I've witnessed.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Dec 14, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

napoleon mccallum

::shudder::

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

If that Halladay extension is for real, that’s an absolute steal. He really gave up some serious FA money.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Dec 14, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

and yet still walks away with 60 million fucking dollars.

So there’s that.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

sure

but he’s also fairly good at pitching.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Dec 14, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

he's pretty above average, yeah.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah...

but I’d certainly rather pay Halladay than John Lackey. An extension at $20M per means that Halladay will be making about $2.5M more per year than Lackey and A.J. Burnett. I think he’s in a tier above them both.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Dec 14, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Haden already went to Texas

so we’re spared the horror of him being awesome for the Yankees (and he definitely would have been – his injuries would have miraculously clearly up and he’d have won 42 games, mostly against the A’s)

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Haden = Harden, obv

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Harden = Hardin, obv

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - danmerqury

by Future Ed on Dec 14, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

ha, yes. Him too

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I had forgotten that, you're right.

And Bedard is out until mid-to-late ‘10 with his labrum tear, and Sheets and Pineiro are NL pitchers, and it’s kind of scary to think of Duke overcoming clinical depression in the most intense baseball environment on the planet…

Jeez. I think that the Yanks are going to enter the year with Joba as their 4th starter and Hughes as their 5th.

I suppose they could be very frugal and make Melky their starting LFer, Gardner their 4th, and Juan Miranda their DH. Hell, they’d be a thrifty $170-180Mish team!

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Dec 14, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

What's wrong with having Joba and Hughes starting?

Given that you have Rivera at the back end of your bullpen, there’s little reason to put any other half-decent arm there.

There’s something else going on here too, though. The Yankees and Red Sox have figured out how to game the compensation system: sign a metric ass-ton of Type As one year and none the next. Last year the Yankees gave away their first three picks. This year the Red Sox have already given away their first two at least and might still be in on some more Type As (though they’re clearly out on Holliday at this point— I could see them scoring Mike Gonzalez on a cheap deal and then flipping Papelbon though).

It’s much much much better to sign free agents in bunches if you’re a perennial contender, because first-round picks are worth so much more than later picks.

O'Hara: Detective Lassiter is literally on fire.
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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

They'll also get one back for Bay leaving

"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."

by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 14, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, but they can't lose that one as compensation, so no worries

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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I know

Point was it’s a lot easier for them to go sign a Type A when they’re getting the pick back.

"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."

by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 14, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus they already got the Braves pick in the top 20

It kind of shows the problems with the system when the Red Sox are likely going to end up with 4 picks before the 2nd round after an off season where they signed the top pitcher on the market and let go of two free agents they didn’t want.

by DiegoAsFan on Dec 14, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

The system is fundamentally flawed, because letting players go and signing new ones is net-beneficial to re-signing your current players.

If the Yankees sign Bay and the Red Sox sign Holliday, they each end up a sandwich pick richer than would have happened if each team re-signed its own player.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Cards* sign Bay you mean

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by vignette17 on Dec 15, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Right... somehow I forgot that Holliday is not already a Yankee...

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I've always wondered if this might be a simpler solution

If you sign a Type A and lose a Type A, no sandwich pick for the player you lost (why should you be compensated when you have, theoretically, replaced the guy you lost?). You still get the pick of the team who singed your guy and vice versa, but no extra pick.

Same goes for Type B. If someone signs your Type B guy, but you sign someone else’s, no sandwich pick.

It’s not perfect or anything, but I think it can cut down on all the extra undeserved picks and it might encourage teams to retain their own guy.

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by thejd44 on Dec 15, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, really have to amend my own comment about the Yanks' payroll.
I suppose they could be very frugal and make Melky their starting LFer, Gardner their 4th, and Juan Miranda their DH. Hell, they’d be a thrifty $170-180Mish team!

I just did a little research on Cot’s. Thanks to adding Granderson and re-upping with Pettitte, the Yanks already have $187.6M committed for next year for only 15 guys, and that includes Brackman and Igawa, who won’t even be on the team. So, if you believe their public comments about payroll remaining firm or going down a little, you can rule them out as bidders for Holliday.

They still have to fill out half the team with $400K guys and pay for Melky’s first arby year. If they are truly honest about their comments and will have a payroll under $200M in ‘10, they won’t even have the money for Damon. That would make Melky/Gardner their LF/4th OF.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 3:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Key word: "hopefully"

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by UncleLeo on Dec 14, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd give them props for acknowledging their own short-comings and holding the line on rebuilding...

but to give them credit for predicting the M’s recent activity is a bit of a reach. Inaction is pretty easy to post-rationalize.

by elhefe on Dec 14, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it was that hard to predict that

the M’s were going for it in 2010. Pretty much all of Z’s moves since he arrived have been pointing at that, especially the trades this July. Figure that, plus Felix’s contract status, plus the fact that Mariners aren’t really shy about payroll, and it’s not hard to guess they’d be putting together a strong team for the short term, even if you didn’t know what the exact moves would be.

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Your 2010 Oakland A's

“We’ve consciously made the decision not to go for it” I think you’ll be seeing that on a billboard real soon.

I’m not saying you’re wrong about the A’s strategy although I think if you’re constantly playing for the future there’s a good chance the future will never come.

There is a good chance this team could be playing in front of hundreds of fans by May unless they make some moves to get the average fan interested in the club.

by sirbed on Dec 14, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, they could trade for a huge superstar like Matt Holliday or something

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by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So because that didn't work

the A’s should never try and bring in a great player again?

by sirbed on Dec 14, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

"it didnt work"

only because everyone else sucked. holliday had a bad 3 weeks but was excellent otherwise. i actually wouldnt mind having him for 4 years especially now we are relying on jake fox to hit 25 HR next year

/shudder

by PL78 on Dec 14, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty much

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by 9Custs on Dec 14, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

there is no "a" in rebuilding

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by Future Ed on Dec 14, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

but there are two "i"s

you know what else has two "i"s?

gin and tonic.

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by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

very true

but vodka tonic has two o’s

death to myspace!

by malikot on Dec 14, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

four, no?

as In, “ooh, vodka and tonic please”

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

As does scotch & soda

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

FOUL

scotch + soda = crime.

scotch + 1 small cube of ice = heaven

by inbillywetrust on Dec 15, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

My bad.

I actually know nothing of drinks, but this weekend I had a gig in Danville which took me past the intersection of Scotch & Soda.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy crap, I know the place.

You can’t forget an intersection like that.

Your day breaks, your mind aches.
You find that all her words of kindness linger on
when she no longer needs you.

by danmerqury on Dec 15, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

and plenty of answers

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by 9Custs on Dec 14, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I accept this

…if the A’s are actually good again in 2011 or 2012

by my_cat_max on Dec 14, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

adding to this point

This is the worst FA market in many years, theres so few players under 30, and they all want too many years.

Its a great time to sit this one out, like we dont want to get stuck with 2 or 3 years of Jermaine Dye so we? Hell no.

by PL78 on Dec 14, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It's way better than last year's free agent market, for starters...

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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

They seem to be missing out on the Bargain Basement Free Agent WAR Store Bad Economy Blowout Clearance Bash though

That’s why I keep hoping against hope that they pick up someone like Beltre on a long-term deal. This is the offseason to do it— wins are available at Dutch Merchant-level prices.

(If anyone gets that reference, I will literally fall out of my chair with surprise…)

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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Not unless you're talking about late 16th century spice trade

when arrival of a ship would throw the markets all out of whack, inspiring the creation of the Dutch East India Co to stabilize it. But that seems like a stretch even for you.

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe you and I together

can tip Paul out of his chair.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Paul's talking about the American Revolutionary War

When the Dutch Merchant would visit rebel-held colonies and sell goods – such as ammo, rations, and Adrian Beltre – at incredibly discounted prices.

I only know this from playing the greatest NES game of all time, Liberty or Death, for hundreds of hours as a kid.

Which probably led to the prepubescent weight gain, but let’s not go there…

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 2:12 AM PST up reply actions  

my son is only two weeks old, but seriously...

when he does “come of age” for video games, these are probably the only types of games I’ll let him play. Sim City, Liberty or Death, even Zelda…these ones actually probably had some problem-solving/educative value.*

*Then again, they also established a pattern of procrastination at a young age, which now plays itself out daily on AN.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

DUDE!!!

OOTP (whichever version is current at the time)

Hearts of Iron (Version 3 should have all the bugs worked out in 7-8 years!)

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 15, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I second the vote for OOTP.

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by mikev on Dec 15, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Get him into board games instead

You could probably teach him Dominion by the time he’s 4 or 5, and that’d probably teach him more math than six years of grade school…

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Good ideas guys, thank you all

somehow I had never even heard of OOTP. After researching it, it sounds like something I should never buy for myself, assuming I want to remain employed.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Allow me to take this opportunity to pimp my online OOTP league

Here’s the league homepage

It’s awesome. really, really awesome.

my team is the California Crusaders.

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by mikev on Dec 15, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I played Dominion with a five-year-old

just this month. She is very much a girly girl, so I wouldn’t have guessed her for the type, but I guess growing up in a gamer household has that effect.

I recommend Cartagena as a great game for getting kids into strategy games early. It’s sort of like CandyLand but with real strategy (and pirates!).

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like Pittsburgh, except for the "strategy" part.

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by Nico on Dec 16, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Aha, that makes much more sense.

I’ll bet that’s it. Paul should be on the floor now.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Since I saw this at 8:50 in the morning, I had to fall out of my bed instead

Yes, indeed, this is precisely the reference I was going for.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Woot. <high five to NSJ>

Seriously, how much of this is for real and how much is the game? Google isn’t finding anything on any specific “Dutch Merchant”, though admittedly it’s not a very narrow phrase. My impression from this discussion is that in history it’s not any one specific boat, but just the more general trend of the “neutral” Dutch support of the colonists by selling arms and supplies; and the game formalized this with one particular character called the “Dutch Merchant” who will appear from time to time to sell you stuff at low prices.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I think that's right

There’s basically a hidden “foreign aid track” consisting of “the Merchant” and actual donations to the American cause. Once you get too far down it, the British will attack the Dutch and seize their American colonies, and that’s the end of foreign aid (until the French and Spanish enter the war).

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Were you the one who recommended

Tuchman’s First Salute to me? I started it but never finished. It starts out with St Eustatius (hence the title).

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't think so

Only Tuchman I’ve read is part of A Distant Mirror.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Her best book is The Guns of August

Its considered by many western civilization historians as the definitive work that details the military decisions and actions that occurred leading up to and during the first month of World War I.

This period of history has always fascinated me, the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, basically started a crazy world conflict, I had always been intrigued how a pro-slavic secret society was the main catalyst to the start of World War I.

Tuchman’s Guns of August is brilliant at painting a literary oil on canvas on the percolating conflict in Europe, and how Europe was headed on the path to war.

by hishnik on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Franz Ferdinand assassinated?!

Bummer, I was hoping for the new album…

Haven’t read the book, but sounds interesting. Although, Gavrilo Princip and Mlada Bosna are obviously known topics around here somewhere…

by elcroata on Dec 15, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a military history buff

so all that buildup-to-war stuff doesn’t really get my juices flowing unless there’s a payoff at the end…

From a military history standpoint, World War I is dull, dull, dull. About the only place anything interesting happened was the Middle East. The rest was basically just huge set-piece attacks and lots of cannon fire.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny, I come at it from the other direction.

My first love is diplomatic history, so my complaint about GoA is that it’s too much about the military.

By the way, I adhere to the position that Austria-Hungary chose to go to war. I can’t remember what Tuchman’s view of that was, but my view is that the Serbian government gave them ample opportunity to step down and they chose not to. I reject the theory that says things were wound up so tightly that the assassination set off an explosion that could not be stopped.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved GoA when I was a kid, but

I haven’t read it in at least 15 years. I own it and keep meaning to reread it but there are always other books.

I read Distant Mirror fairly recently and liked it a lot.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

In Liberty or Death,

the Dutch stop trading with the rebel colonists when the British seize St. Eustatius.

I don’t know if that is historically correct or not, just FYI.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much correct.

Once the British decided to declare war, it took them very little time to shut down the Dutch completely.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

But

Baseball Stars was the best NES game of all time.

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by mikev on Dec 15, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

trying to remember...

was Baseball Stars the game with robots, when a close play at first base would lead to robots fighting to determine the safe/out call?

That game was awesome. Can’t remember the title for sure, though; I only played it a few times at a neighbors’ house about 17 years ago.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

BASE WARS!!!!!!!

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by mikev on Dec 15, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

or, yes, I'm a gigantic fucking dork.

Baseball Stars was the Neo Geo port, though. One of the first games I recall that let you customize rosters and kept running stats.

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by mikev on Dec 15, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

ah, yes.

I think I played that one too at one point.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks for remembering the name of that one

Might have to buy a used version of that one online.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If you do some google searching

You could probably find a NES emulator and a whole bunch of ROMs that you can run on your PC.

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by mikev on Dec 15, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Chapman stock is a little down

There is an offer by Boston of 15.5 millions with a major league contract, i think if we offer 20 millions we get him.

by jahs34 on Dec 14, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

signing him would salvage an otherwise completely uninspiring offseason for me.

If the A’s sign Jamey Carroll, I’m outta here. ;)

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 14, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I gotta say being an A's fan really sucks right now

Watching teams with a new stadium and deep pockets making big trades for big time players…..and our Oakland Athletics’ biggest move so far this off season is non tendering Jack Cust. BFD!

And I look at the rest of our division, everyone has made at least one move to try and better their club. I know the A’s future is the youngsters and eventually the kids will grow together, and someday we’ll have a shiny new stadium, have a bigger payroll, keep our good players, and maybe even go after some big FA’s, or get back into the blockbuster trading market…….

Right now I’m just really depressed about our little muppets….

:(

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by mrod on Dec 14, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

At least I have the Raiders

oh wait….yeah I’m going to go jump off a bridge now.

by sirbed on Dec 14, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

and the warriors

what bridge is it going to be? the golden gate gets all the hype id like to try a more underrated one.

by PL78 on Dec 14, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

How about the Dumbarton?

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by Nick on Dec 14, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

If you drive fast enough on the bay bridge you wont even have to get out of your car...

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by 9Custs on Dec 14, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah you need to support the underdog...

although that is why you are in this situation in the first place…

by DeJay on Dec 15, 2009 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

although, King Felix leaving to free agency in two years

will be entertaining as hell.

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by Blicks on Dec 14, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the Lee acquisition is part of an overall effort to coerce Felix..

into a contract extension within the next six months.

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by notsellingjeans on Dec 15, 2009 2:14 AM PST up reply actions  

This seems like a steal for Philly

3 years of Halladay for Lee and Taylor? I love Lee and recall liking Taylor as a prospect, but opportunities like Halladay for 3 years don’t come along very often.

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 5:10 PM PST reply actions  

4 years of Halladay

2010, plus a minimum 3 year extension.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Dec 14, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly could see the Phillies getting fleeced, big time

How valuable can an extension window be? The Halladay extension is way below market value, but its not like the Phils are trading for the contract (which would be a HUGE fucking risk to take on, even if it is Roy Freaking Halladay).

But then, this is the whole intangible value thing my hardcore left brain can’t quantify well.

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by Blicks on Dec 14, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

But if the 3/60 extension is set before the deal is committed to,

then it’s part of the deal and the Phillies are getting 4 years of Halladay — as durable and unlikely to break-down or decline an ace as there is — for one year of Lee plus whatever else they have to give up (still unclear at this point).

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Except for 2005 and 2006...

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by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Did I forget a brittle period?

Looking at his career stats, you must mean 2004 and 2005. I’ve blacked out those years due to the A’s not making the playoffs — too painful. Did he have back issues? I don’t recall.

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

04 and 05, my bad.

Shoulder issues in 04, broken leg in 05.

Not exactly chronic, Chavez-esque injury history, I guess. Seems like he was injured more than that.

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by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve" blacked out those years due to the A’s not making the playoffs" —

And this whole time I thought it was because of the whiskey….

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by mrod on Dec 14, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Who can taste whiskey over all the rum?

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

BUT WHY IS THE RUM GONE

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by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

um

Roy Halladay is pretty much the best pitcher in baseball. He had 9 more CGs than every Phillies rotation combined over the last 5 years. He rules more than everyone not named Lincecum, and going to the NL getting that free out every 9 ABs is going to uhhh hurt, wait thats the wrong word I mean “make him 10 times better”, whats a good word for that?

They could pay him $25MM a year and it would be worth it, he is teh awesome.

by PL78 on Dec 14, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This Alleged Three Way Hallday Trade

sounds like a circular firing squad of flying attack monkeys.

Cust is the new Jaha.

by johnjahafanclub on Dec 14, 2009 5:32 PM PST reply actions  

the Alleged Three Way Halladay

sounds like a band I was in at college

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The Alleged Three Way Halladay

sounds like a lucky Halladay in college.

by LoneStranger on Dec 14, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

WHAT THE HELL MATE.

Fuck the Mariners, seriously.

Once the extension is complete, the Phillies are expected send three prospects to Toronto. A source identified those prospects as Drabek, outfielder Michael Taylor and catcher Travis D’Arnaud. The Blue Jays would also get a prospect from Seattle, possibly Canadian pitcher Phillippe Aumont. The Phillies could also end up with a prospect from Seattle. The Mariners are a key to the deal as they are expected to get Lee and his $9 million salary from the Phillies. The Phillies have a strict $140 million payroll so moving Lee appears to be a necessity.

http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Fever-Pitch-Pursuit-of-Halladay-Almost-O=1&blockID=103216&feedID=704

This can’t be happening. Fuck the M’s, seriously. Even if Triunfel is going to the Phillies, still seriously screwed up.

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by Blicks on Dec 14, 2009 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

Phillies have a strict $140 million payroll.

Well, good thing the A’s aren’t so rigorous about that sort of thing. Imagine how bad our team would be if we weren’t allowed to go over $140 million.

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The prevailing guess on LL is that they will give up

Phillippe Aumont, JC Ramirez, and Tyson Gillies.

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

It's only for one year of Lee, who seems determined to use free agency,

but he’s so good that I think if you’re Seattle you have to pull the trigger on that deal. Whether Toronto is getting enough, and whether the Phillies are giving up enough, is what I’m wondering. We’ll see what the deal actually turns out to be.

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, and Lee could turn out to be Seattle's Matt Holliday,

traded in July for someone young/potentially really good if the M’s find themselves less competitive than they hoped to be.

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

On LL, they're hoping for a Holliday signing, too.

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Lee wants $20MM a year

hes going to be in for a surprise, but theres no way he signs with the m’s longterm.

by PL78 on Dec 14, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

Honestly, I’d much rather see the M’s doing well than the Rangers or Angels.

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by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I agree with that

BUT, I’d also like them to give up a considerable chunk of their future in order to get that short term improvement, not just sucker Ruben Amaro into a stupid deal.

Since that will help the A’s down the road.

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by Blicks on Dec 14, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck 'em all

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by grover on Dec 14, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Well yeah

but by default, one of the teams from the west has to go to the playoffs.

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by mikev on Dec 14, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me get this straight

the Yankees with a $500 million TV contract, and a new stadium, overpay Burnett so all pitchers better than Burnett which is almost any pitcher uses the Yankee overpayment as a starting point for their negotiations. God I love free agency.

by Laoren on Dec 14, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions  

The latest on teams doing cool stuff that doesn't include the A's

Again, according to Stark:

To Toronto: (All from the Phillies)

Michael Taylor (OF)
Travis d’Arnaud ©
Kyle Drabek or J.A. Happ (SP)

To Seattle: (From the Phillies)

Cliff Lee (SP) 1 year until FA

To Philadelphia:

Roy Halladay (w/ an extension through 2013)

(From Seattle)
Phillippe Aumont (SP)
Tyson Gillies (OF)

That’s a lot of talent given up by the Phillies and I’m surprised that Seattle would get Lee at such a low price.

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by grover on Dec 14, 2009 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

this wasn't really a three way trade, then, was it

more ‘two trades that happened at around the same time’

I’m surprised Seattle’s not sending at least one to Toronto – why get them involved if they’re not?

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why I'm suspicious of this latest list

The extension to Halladay should buy Toronto a 4th prospect and I’d suspect it would come from Seattle.

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by grover on Dec 14, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, it's gotta be, right?

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

According to the wet dream,

that 4th prospect is J.C. Ramirez.

I agree that it’s weird if nothing goes from Seattle to Toronto. I thought the whole point of involving Seattle was that Toronto wasn’t satisfied with what the Phillies had to offer.

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The Phillies supposedly refused to give up Drabek for Halliday last July

which led to them swinging the deal for Lee. That’s a very big deal if they’re giving him up now. Maybe the difference is the certainty of the extension.

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by Nick on Dec 14, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a pretty gargantuanly huge factor

4 years instead of 1.

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, I meant that it must mean that they couldn't get that done last July

Though the reports I read here at the time referred to Drabek as “untouchable”, not “available if we get an extension to Halliday’s contract”. Was Halliday wiling to do an extension with the Phillies last July?

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by Nick on Dec 15, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Aumont and Gillies for one season of Lee plus compensation picks when he leaves?

WHAT??? Aumont is a reliever and Gillies is pretty solid, but that’s still well below Lee’s value. What’s our equivalent of that, Desme and Demel? Cunningham and Leon? Let’s get in on this!

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by Player To Be Named Later on Dec 14, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a thought --

Let’s get in on every deal we haven’t been a part of, and get JJ Hardy, Curtis Granderson, and Cliff Lee for pretty little. Or Grady Little. Because that seems to be the going rate!

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's hold off and see what the actual deal is

I’ve heard things about Blanton, Happ… about the only guy who hasn’t been mentioned yet in these talks is Chase Utley.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 14, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

seems like it's going to be Drabek or Happ in terms of big names

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by cuppingmaster on Dec 14, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow! Travis d'Arnaud is copyrighted?

I have to agree with you that Seattle seems to be getting off awfully cheap here. Although Gillies is a fun enough player that I’m glad I now don’t have to root against him.

by Faust on Dec 14, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

My dads a braves fan

He’sssssssss pissed!!!

by Twan54321 on Dec 14, 2009 7:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Ever the eternal optimist....

I haven’t given up all hope for the 2010 season. The Angels just got a lot weaker, and they’ve been the class of the division for several years now. Our pitching looks pretty solid, so perhaps we catch some lightening in a bottle with a couple of the young hitters stepping up to start their very own bid for a massive FA payday.

It could happen…..

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by alox on Dec 14, 2009 7:48 PM PST reply actions  

Bobby Abreu

Right Fielder

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by Future Ed on Dec 14, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Hope springs eternal.

Angels getting weaker is the consolation prize for A’s fans. Angels schadenfreude is going to be the highlight of the season.

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by iglew on Dec 14, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Until Aybar and Izturis decide to hit 33 HRs each for no apparent reason,

and the Angels win 97 games, vastly exceeding their pythag while inexplicably hitting .412 with RISP.

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by Nico on Dec 14, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Lackey

another reason to hate the Redsux.

by sf drift king on Dec 14, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions  

yeah, that's kinda worked out well, hasn't it

no need to expand my horizons of disgust

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does

by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

As if I needed another reason....

but this one is indeed a compelling one.

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by alox on Dec 14, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Just because:

75% of the earth is covered with water, the other 25% is covered by the niners D.

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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 14, 2009 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

yeah, that made me snigger, too

he’d clearly been primed with that line

I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
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by bobnothing on Dec 14, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That's my sig line on the OOTP Baseball forums.

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Correction
70% of the earths surface is covered by water. The rest is covered by Patrick Willis Nnamdi Asomugha.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 15, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions  

No, see, the Raiders suck.

It’s different.

and Willis would make Asomugha cry.

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by mikev on Dec 15, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Hater

I tried to be nice.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 15, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy Puget Sound

Friends, NOW is the moment to hit up your Lookout Landing pals for that cash loan, lemme tell ya I just read it and I am flying to Seattle immediately to take advantage of the M’s fans’ ecstasy right now Maybe they will buy me Christmas gifts cuz it looks like we have coal in our stockings from Ebenezer Beane again.

Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?

by emperor nobody on Dec 14, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

Now that the slegnA have Matsui

No need for Guererro. If he could be had for around $3.5M, I might want to take a flyer on him for a year.

There is also some measure of wanting him to hit an HR against the slegnA just to say “screw you, Scoscia”

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by cuppingmaster on Dec 14, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions  

At least we won the jake foxand miles sweepstakes

With the mcbeth and hernandez reunions,I would say this A’s dream offseason is complete. Signing jamey caroll would be just a bonus.

by MagicMike23 on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 PM PST reply actions  

Couldve of A's made Lee and Granderson deals?

I think they couldve at least offered comparable talent. If they were willing to take on payroll.

Bailey and Desme for Lee ?
Granderson- build a deal around Cahill, Ross or Capra, Sweeney +

by MagicMike23 on Dec 14, 2009 11:17 PM PST reply actions  

We wouldn't want Lee

He’s gone next year.

I like Granderson a lot but I also concede that he’s pretty much a platoon player at this point. It’s best for us to just wait it out and let the young guys develop.

Oh and sign Adrian Beltre…

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by Helloooo 1st on Dec 14, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Dave Cameron's comments

on USS Mariner.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 12:33 AM PST reply actions  

his conclusion:
Seriously, dance in the streets. Build a bust of Zduriencik and place it on your mantle. Name your first born son Jack and your daughter Jackie. When this becomes official, hug someone. This trade is that good.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I gotta agree with him. I don't see why the Phillies didn't just keep Lee and go with

Halladay – Lee – Hamels – Happ – Moyer/Kendrick/Pedro. They could have traded Blanton to save money. Lee is only about $8MM.

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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2009 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I heard money

It doesn’t make any sense, but its the best explaination yyet. They wanted to keep payroll down.

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by Future Ed on Dec 15, 2009 6:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd take that rotation any day

But Lee was out anyways after this year most likely. The argument has also been made that the Phillies have about 2-3 years where they will have Hamels, Utley, Howard and Rollins together (assuming they pick up his 2011 option). They also have Werth, Ibanez, and a young JA Happ as supporting crew.

Might as well give up a little (Drabek) to win now if you’re them because those other guys will either be gone or ineffective by 2012/3.

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by cuppingmaster on Dec 15, 2009 6:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If J.C. Ramirez is truly the 3rd prospect leaving the Mariners...

then someone (either Philly or Toronto) seriously fucked up.

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by grover on Dec 15, 2009 5:36 AM PST up reply actions  

All they're giving up is Aumont, Gillies and J.C. Ramirez? For Cliff Lee?

I actually don’t know who J.C. Ramirez is, which kind of says it all. Aumont and Gillies are C+ prospects.

Ridiculous. I might rather have the two draft picks than that lot— forget adding a season of Cliff Lee on top of it.

(BTW, the team that’s fucking up is Philly. Toronto’s end looks fine to me.)

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Ramirez

Think a less developed Carlos Carrasco.

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by grover on Dec 15, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

For the pissy little upgrade

Why are the Phillies doing this?
:Confused:

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Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
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by Daniel777 on Dec 15, 2009 1:20 AM PST reply actions  

I like this explanation, from the LL thread:

PDXTai:

This seems the most likely motivation to me
The Phillies wanted to get hitched. The hot girl they were dating wanted to sleep around more, so they ditched her and married the girl who used to get beat up by her boyfriend and was ready to settle down.

acblue:

This analogy is even better considering that Ricciardi would be the abusive boyfriend in this scenario

PDXTai:

Which makes us the sap who is just getting used until the hot girl can upgrade.
But hey, at least we’re getting laid for a year…

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 1:29 AM PST up reply actions  

2009 wRC+

Cust – 111
Guerrero – 110

And Cust was healthy all season and is 4 years younger.

Just sayin…

by DeJay on Dec 15, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

IF it is assured Cust isn't signing

then I like the move. But if it’s between Vladdy and Cust, let’s stick with Cust

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by cuppingmaster on Dec 15, 2009 7:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think Guerrero would sign for less than $4m

It would have made more sense to just tender Cust a contract. If Beane is determined to go into full rebuild I would prefer for Buck or Cunningham to get the at bats.

by DeJay on Dec 15, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, right

I would have much rather kept Cust. I am assuming he is not returning.

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by cuppingmaster on Dec 15, 2009 9:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Aaargh!

I really do try to keep up. I figured out WHIP and FIP and pRAA and bRAA and tRA and wOBA and WPA/LI and WAR. But every time I think I’ve learned them all and I’m finally caught up, you go and cook up a new one!

What the fuck is wRC+? And why won’t you guys just stick with the same stats for more than two months at a time and stop making us upgrade? I know you geeks think it’s fun to have a steady stream of shiny new SABR-toys, but for the rest of us it’s just frustrating. All I want is to know what the hell you’re talking about, but you sure don’t make it easy.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It must stand for "weighted Runs Created above average"

w = weighted (which I assumes refers to the fact that it seems to be a scale where 100=average, and this measure is weighted for, I dunno, ballpark effects or position adjustment or something)
RC = Runs Created, which is an old metric that you calculate using a player’s run-elements (PAs, BBs, 1bs, 2bs, etc.) that takes into account the expected-run effect of each element
+ = above/below average (which, I assume, is defined at 100, just like OPS+).

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by Nick on Dec 15, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

It's just like OPS+, but instead of OPS, it uses wRC

which is the counting-stat version of wOBA.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

*sigh*

OK, I’ll try to remember that. Thanks.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Just think of it as OPS+ except much more accurate.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

If it's based on wRC, doesn't that make it a counting stat?

Specifically, if one guy plays only 50 games and another guy plays the full season, with OPS+ they’d have comparable numbers, but with RC the guy who played more games will score higher, right? Or is scaling it to a full season part of the “+” process?

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

The + process scales it back to a rate stat

It might actually be more accurate to call it wOBA+, but… oh well.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

uh oh

looks like someone’s been reading Fangraphs

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by DyeLongJustice on Dec 15, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

WHAT?

Olney and Crasnick are reporting that outfielder Michael Taylor — to be sent to Toronto from Philadelphia – will in turn be flipped to the A’s for Brett Wallace?

by OaklandSi on Dec 15, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

I just saw that too.

Thats…. I don’t even know what to think. Maybe after a half-year of Brett Wallace, they decided he’s not going to cut it?

by LoneStranger on Dec 15, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

This is like the ur-trade

It won’t stop until all 30 teams are involved somehow

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Z is the ur-trader.

That three-way last year where they sent Putz to the Mets and got Gutierrez from Cleveland was a monster. Then a month later Heilman was flipped for Olson and Cedeño, and then Cedeño was one of the pieces in the trade that got Snell and Wilson in July.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Buster Posey just tweeted:

“It’s all moving fast: As soon as Halladay deal is done, the Jays are going to trade Michael Taylor to Oakland for Brett Wallace.”

by jefeboy on Dec 15, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

Or as a Bostonian would say

A supa special sauce.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL that was a good one man

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by cuppingmaster on Dec 15, 2009 9:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I... cautiously approve.

I’ve been a bit underwhelmed by Wallace, and Taylor supposedly scores 60 or better on every tool. Unless I’m confusing him with Domonic Brown, but I don’t think I am.

If the A’s don’t think Wallace is the answer at third base, and I certainly don’t, then moving him for Taylor is very logical.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Sad for Brett, though.

So much for the feel-good story about growing up an A’s fan and idolizing Eric Chavez.

Right then, off to Canada with you now.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

True

although Taylor has a local angle, too, being a Stanford guy.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 15, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Peuh. That's WEST Bay.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

that's what I was thinking

at least on the crappy A’s team he would be close to home. Now he will be on a crappy team in Canada.

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by micdog2001 on Dec 15, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell is going on

don’t panic don’t panic don’t panic

Cust is the new Jaha.

by johnjahafanclub on Dec 15, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

I say go for McPherson.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

So if McPherson makes the team

Will we be the first team in history to have two Dallases on the roster at the same time?

queues up theme from “Dallas”

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by cuppingmaster on Dec 15, 2009 9:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Blake retired.

About the same time the Bobby moved on.

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by iglew on Dec 15, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

It's only because you won't get up.

Seriously, I think Blake got a job in someone’s scouting department.

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by iglew on Dec 16, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Amateur scout for the A's

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by grover on Dec 17, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Blue Jays

According to this page he was associate scout for the Angels for two months but just recently became the Blue Jays area scout for Southern California.

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by iglew on Dec 17, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no clue about off-the-field baseball stuff

Can anyone tell me how payroll works? Is it just how much an owner has to spend on their team or something? Noob question.

by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 17, 2009 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

It's whatever the owner gives you

There is no true cap on spending in baseball, although there is a luxury tax that kicks in if a team spends more than around $150M a year.

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by PaulThomas on Dec 17, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, you have to give it up for the Mariners

today, they traded Carlos Silva for Milton Bradley, theyre starting to have a sick lineup, and apparently arent done and are shopping Morrow for a hitter. They are easily the fave for our division.

In terms of making a contender, they are being forced to spend because the system is dry, but my god are they doing it right.

by PL78 on Dec 18, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

Wow. Carlos Silva for Milton Bradley?

Pretty craptastic deal for Seattle. Remember that it usually takes Milty a year to wear out his welcome at a new place.

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by Nico on Dec 18, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, does "craptastic" mean good or bad?

This is a great deal for Seattle. Bradley will probably play well for about half a season before his inevitable self-destruct. Silva, on the other hand, already sucked. Where’s the downside here?

Also, re-signing Griffey suddenly makes sense. Z has eclipsed Beane as the fucking-A trader.

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by iglew on Dec 18, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

More upside:

Silva was signed to a 4yr/$48MM deal. Seattle just sent $9MM to Chicago, and just like that, they’re out of this contract.

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by danmerqury on Dec 18, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant good.

I agree Seattle made out in spades (though apparently the M’s are kicking in a lot of money, which I didn’t know when I wrote the comment).

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by Nico on Dec 18, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

They're kicking in $9m total. (I didn't know either.)

But since Silva’s remaining contract was $3m more than Bradley’s, and Silva was more worthless than Dana Eveland, they basically just signed Bradley to a 2/$6m contract. Even with MB’s potential to implode, that’s still a bargain.

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by iglew on Dec 18, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Add to this the fact that

MB’s contract has a $2m buyout for 2011 if he spends 75+ days on the DL, and I think there’s one other buyout clause in there as well.

Amazing deal for the M’s.

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by misterjonez on Dec 19, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

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