Rules That Need To Be Changed
Speaking of umpires, umpires need to enforce the rules rather than either making them up ("No, that's only a strike when the count is 3-0"), inventing them ("Ah, that's the 'neighborhood play' as found in section...um, section...well it's the 'neighborhood play'"), ignoring them ("You have 20 seconds to throw the pitch, Betancourt, and you're now at 18...19...19.5...19.9...19.92...Seriously, throw it soon, ok?"), not noticing them ("No, he's not out unless he's tagged while not on the base. He was? Right in front of me? You don't say!"), or randomly channeling Shakespeare ("Ah, but Mauer, you see: Fair is foul...").
And while we're asking the umpires to enforce the rules, could we make a few of the rules better? Some changes I'd like to see...
* Rule Change #1: You can make two trips to the mound each inning before you must make a pitching change. And this includes the catcher.
This would speed up games and would also force baseball players to play the game like athletes do in every other sport. In basketball, you don't see the point guard drive to the left wing, look at the center posting up, and go, "Hang on, hang on -- hey Andre, Larry, come over here. I think we need to set up a bit differently..." You get a very limited number of timeouts if you want to have those discussions, or you can have them during natural breaks such as free throws, TV timeouts, and strategic mascot decapitations ("Oops, clumsy me! I thought for sure I was firing the ball to my center. Well, as long as there's a break let me chat with my small forward").
In baseball, the catcher puts down signs, the pitcher can shake them off -- if there's true uncertainty about what the signs are, the catcher can use up a trip to the mound to sort things out. Heck, in any given inning the catcher can go out one time and later in the inning the pitching coach can still come out to settle the pitcher down by fondling his ass and pointing out that "go get 'em" is an excellent strategy.
This is a baseball game, not a series of committee meetings. Only in baseball would the shortstop have the nerve to join 3 committee meetings in 10 minutes and never once bring refreshments.
* Rule Change #2: Only the base umpire rules on a check swing.
It is absurd, in my opinion, for the home plate umpire ever to judge a check swing. For him to do so is essentially an admission that he was focused partly on the bat at precisely the time he was supposed to be watching the pitch. Meanwhile, you have someone else who at the moment the pitch crosses the plate, has nothing else to do except watch for a check swing, who is in an excellent position to judge a check swing, and who -- and this is a stroke of good fortune -- happens to be one of the umpires.
Furthermore, why does there need to be an appeal? If a right-handed batter checks his swing and the 1B umpires sees it as a swing, why can't he just indicate that it's a strike? And if not, indicate "no swing." It should be his call, and only his call, and like with every other call in the world, perhaps the umpire whose call it is should just go ahead and -- gee I don't know -- make the call?
All this would save Adrian Beltre a lot of trouble. (Not that you can blame Beltre for trying to preserve any balls he can.)
* Rule "Change" #3: There is no such thing as the "neighborhood play" and no such thing as a "takeout slide."
Leave the "neighborhood play" to Mr. Rogers and leave "takeout" to Chinese food. The former is not necessary without the latter, and the latter is barbaric. Plus, neither actually exists in the spirit -- or language -- of the rules of baseball. You are supposed to get forced runners out by touching the base, not by getting near it, and you are supposed to slide in order to avoid going past the bag, not to disrupt the fielder by maiming him.
Either give the middle infielders a tape measure in order to establish "proximity" as they turn two, and give the baserunner a Bengal tiger in order to assist with the maiming process, or get rid of both conventions that don't actually exist and force both sides to play actual baseball on a DP grounder.
What do you think? And what did I miss?
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HAHAHAH Beltre needs to save Balls LMAO!!!
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
by Athletic on Nov 8, 2009 7:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stepping into a pitch rule
When did this become a rule? Guy got hit the other day and they protested that he stepped into it. He got hit? Who the F$#% WANTS to step into a baseball going that fast?! Go outside and have your girliefriend or wife or 3 yr old throw an MLB (Nico, sidebar question since you are employed in the art of manipulation young minds: is it “a” or “an” before initials?) baseball at your back. IT HURTS! I think anyone who has the hutzpah to not get out of the way should get a free base. And a gift basket.
"Tonto think Billy Beane need to make team full of squirrels and bears."
by OptimistPrime on Nov 8, 2009 8:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or didn't get out of the way of the pitch rule, I don't know what it's called officially
mike v I’m commenting on my own post, slightly dochie, right?
"Tonto think Billy Beane need to make team full of squirrels and bears."
by OptimistPrime on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Enh, it's a strategy like any other,
but if intentional, shouldn’t be rewarded. I remember an A’s v. White Sox game where AJ Pierzynski dipped the end of his elbow pad down into a Duchscherer 63 mph inside curveball so it just barely clipped the pad and didn’t actually hit any body part. When he tried to happily skip to first, the ump rang him up. And rightfully so.
by cityplANner on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was crede
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Nov 8, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think one refers to "an IOU" not "a IOU"
And no, I still don’t have the 5 bucks you lent me. I thought it was an gift.
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by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's always been there.
I believe the wording is that you have to make some effort to dodge the pitch. Nebulously defined, definitely, but it’s a good rule. If it’s the bottom of the ninth of Game 7 of the World Series with the bases loaded, I’ll happily get plunked.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 8, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A la Rabbit Maranville?
Allegedly, he once stuck his forehead out to get smacked with the bases loaded and the umpire ruled, “Buddy, if you can make it to 1B, I’ll allow it.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who wants to do it?
Carlos Quentin
Craig Biggio
Jason Kendall
Chase Utley
oh, you didn’t want a list. Point is, getting hit by pitches is a “skill” which can noticeably improve a player’s OBP. Sure it’s painful, but I’m pretty sure “playing middle linebacker” is a painful “skill” too, and there are plenty of people who want to use that skill to make lots of money.
I actually wish umpires would call intentional HBPs much MORE often. Few things in baseball annoy me more than hitters “dodging” a pitch by actually turning their backs to present a larger target.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 8, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Barry Bonds and his Arm Armor (Armour in the native tongue)
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by DyeLongJustice on Nov 8, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds was never among the league leaders in HBP though
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 8, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda hard to get hit by a four low, outside sliders
The Crosby version of this is, of course, “Kinda hard to hit three low, outside sliders”.
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
by doctorK on Nov 8, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're actually taught to turn your back on an inside pitch
at least if it’s an offspeed pitch. the reason being that if it curves back over the inside of the plate, and you’ve jumped back to avoid getting hit then you have no chance of hitting that pitch. If you turn your back and keep your eye on the ball, and the ball breaks over the plate, you still have a chance to swing and make contact.
by faninphilly on Nov 8, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hitters dont turn their backs to present a larger target
They do it because most of the time that’s all you have time to do— and getting hit in the back hurts a lot less than in your arm or anywhere.
Other kids may be sayin' hi-ho, but The Gooch just says yo.
by whobob on Nov 8, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the thought is also that there is more padding on the back side than on the front.
I was taught from a very young are to drop the bat put your hands in front of you and turn your back towards the ball.
by VV A's fan on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're mikev, there is SO much more padding on the back side than on the front
it’s ridiculous. Mostly because there’s very little going on in the front.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stick that thing out there.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 8, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's starting to get old.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 9, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The idea is not mine, I admit
But I liked when I first read it. I am positively annoyed by the amount of protective gear some hitters take to the batter’s box. So, take whatever you want, but if you get hit in, say, your huge elbow protector, it’s not a HBP, just a ball.
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by elcroata on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like this one.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 8, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd slightly alter it...
to add that you must wear what you wore to the plate when on the bases.
by ChuckBudd on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oops
just saw someone below suggest the same!
by ChuckBudd on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and it has to be a chicken suit
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or a nice frilly sundress...
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you bring your bat?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Nov 8, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and to bed that night.
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
by ak_A on Nov 8, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay... so your rules
1. No
2. Yes & Yes
3. Yes & Yes
I don’t mind limiting the catcher’s visits, but I just don’t see it being comparable to your analogy. Catcher visits are more like football huddles. They’re in between plays and generally on a clock. You want to talk about adding an element that they’re only given 30 or 45 seconds (without warning or coming out to break it up) then the ump starts calling balls, I think that would certainly work. If you want to say a catcher can only go out to visit the pitcher 2 or 3 times between pitching changes otherwise the penalty is a ball called, I’m fine with something like that. But catcher visits should be connected in any way to coaches visits. I think they have every right to be sure they’re on the same page if they’re not seeing eye to eye. They just should heavily limit just how much time they’re awarded to do that before they start losing their count (or being called for a delay of game).
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And I would add to that...
Let them where whatever protective gear they want including full body armor and even let them get hit by a pitch, But all equipment worn at the plate must be worn while on base. I would love to see someone try and get around the bases quickly in full shin guards.
Stupidity should be painful!
by ByondF1 on Nov 8, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well they have to leg out extra bases in those full shin guards, so running
an extra base or two isn’t going to be an issue.
Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.
by OldhamA on Nov 8, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think batters should have to choose between no protective gear,
or an outfit that offers full and bulky protection but looks like a chicken costume. It won’t hurt a bit if you’re beaned on the crest or whacked on the wing, but you’ll look silly trying to steal 3B. On a bases-clearing double, all the runners should also have to run together in “V” formation.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
#2 is interesting
We have a similar system in our courts… normally it’s the job of the jury to decide facts, but the judge is allowed to say (before a jury is empaneled) “actually, you lose so badly that I’m not even going to give you a jury.” Similarly, the home plate umpire is allowed to say “you swung so badly you don’t even get a ruling from the base umpire.”
I get why the system is in place in the courts (it’s a docket-clearing device). I’m not sure there’s any good justification for it in baseball, though.
- and #3 are hard to argue against (except in the narrow sense that as currently worded, #1 would allow two trips by the pitching coach, which would destroy a lot of the time savings). I mean, if you can’t figure out a system to communicate pitches, that’s your problem.
Takeout slides are a ridiculous relic of the John McGraw era. Baseball does not need to be a backyard brawl to be interesting.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 8, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The two trips by the pitching coach could be gotten around
by saying “one trip from the dugout, one trip from a player on the field.” Though I imagine if you allowed up to 2 trips from the dugout, games would still be a lot quicker by eliminating the constant conferencing by the players on the field.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You'll have to excuse me, I'm in law school
I’m trained to spot loopholes. :p
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 8, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding check swings, PT, it comes down to "whose call is it?"
For example, if a second base umpire sees that the 1Bman was clearly pulled off the bag on a throw to 1B, it’s still the 1B ump’s call and if the 1B ump rules “out” the 2B ump isn’t going to overrule.
The reason for the home plate umpire not to say “Look it was clearly a swing; strike, no appeal” is that if it’s clearly a swing, then the ump who has the best look and whose call it is will see that, and if for some reason he sees it differently, well, it’s not the home plate ump’s call — because calling balls and strikes is, and it’s happening at the same instant.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa there
You’re saying that if the 2B umpire sees the 1B umpire blow the call, he shouldn’t go over there and say “hey, he was off the bag, change the call”?
That can’t be right. Having a primary responsibility is one thing. Ignoring obvious errors by other umpires because it’s not your bailiwick is quite another.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 8, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly the way the system is now and always has been
Umpires do not butt in to correct other umpires whose call it is, unless the ump asks for help. The same is true in every sport — it’s not a “baseball” thing, it’s a “sports officiating” thing.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that should be changed as well
The point should always be to get the right call even if it’s technically not yours to make. If you know the call was blown, you should speak out. Especially if someone argues against it.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 8, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually in football...
….flags do occasionally get waved off after the officials conference. I assume what’s going on is that another official who had a better look at the play corrects the official who threw the flag.
This isn’t, however, exactly analogous to the baseball situation, in which a single official has clear responsibility for any given call.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 8, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nonsense
The umpire isn’t the only official who makes holding calls in football. He makes most of them. When the other officials see it, they still throw a flag…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 8, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
that after they’ve talked it over, if it was determined there was no penalty, they take it back. But they at least step up and discuss it when one sees something the other doesn’t.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 8, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New AN is making me more sympathetic to your
position on auto-format. (I never really favored auto-format; I just didn’t oppose as strongly as you). Now when it auto-numbers a paragraph, it makes it bigger as well. I assume this is connected to the (bad) decision to make the text of the main post larger than the text of the comments.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 8, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
#4
Make the DH universal to both leagues. Honestly I’d rather see both leagues use a DH so i wouldn’t have to see blanton flailing at a pitch like it’s a wasp on his ranch in kentucky. But it’s more important that both legues are the same DH, or no DH
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by 9Custs on Nov 8, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why is it important that both leagues are the same?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 8, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I like there being a difference between the two leagues. In fact, I would like for each league to have their own umpires, instead of the same guys in both leagues. Also, the AL umpires should go back to the outside chest protector.
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
by doctorK on Nov 8, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Substitute Proposal #4
Eliminate interleague play.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 8, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
yes Yes YES
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
by doctorK on Nov 8, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or better yet, eliminate intraleague play...
The A’s would have a much better record if they could replace those tough Angels and Yankees games with opponents like the Pirates, Reds, and Nationals.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 9, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's how it used to be, isn't it?
And then they had mash-up umpire crews for the World Series? That was all way before my time, so I’m curious if anybody who was around then can remember if it was significantly different or better. Having different umps for each league sounds logical to me, but they must have had a reason to change it, right?
by Feeba on Nov 8, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the main reason for changing it....
….was Bud Selig (and the owners’) desire to centralize power in MLB.
Until 1999, each league had its own President who supervised its umpires and retained a fair bit o power independent of the Commissioner.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 8, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also
I remember that the AL was known for having a higher strike zone than the NL.
by colin on Nov 8, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, presumably that was because
umps could squat down farther with the inside chest protector than they could with the outside, “balloon” protector. At least that was ex-AL ump Ron Luciano’s explanation.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was Alderson's
attempt to improve umpiring and it worked until he left.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 8, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
While I hate pitchers batting, I do love that the leagues play a different game. Without it, it feels too arbitrary. And while, yes, they didn’t have the DH for a long time, that’s still one of the things I love about baseball that no other sport has.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 8, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely! Position players are paid to hit and field, and pitchers to pitch.
It is ridiculous to have a guy sitting on the bench making $5M while a pitcher goes up to the plate to bunt or strike out. The World Series makes no sense, basing the DH on the ballpark, home or away. Let 9 hitters hit in a line-up.
by paris7 on Nov 8, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a vote for all-DH, too
Sometimes it’s a huge turning point and the pitcher unexpectedly gets a hit, but to me, that’s not worth seeing a guy basically go up there swinging with a towel. if you REALLY want to hit your pitcher because he’s Micah Owings or Carlos Zambrano go right ahead, but you lose your chance for the DH for the rest of the game.
And don’t even get me started on double-switches.
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Nov 8, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I lean toward agreeing
I think the DH has done a lot for the American League version of the game, and kept some guys playing who would otherwise be defensive liabilities, and so not able to continue their playing careers (except for the rare pitch hitting moment).
Whether a pitcher hits or not is less of an issue for me than the idea that some good hitters no longer play once their defense becomes unacceptable. The Giants might have kept Bonds on the roster had they had the option of DH. Oh, and paying a lot less money..:)
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by One won lost won on Nov 8, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for n DH in either league
just 8 players hit in a lineup. No DH, no pitcher batting.
by Future Ed on Nov 8, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, I don't like it...
… There’s something symmetrical about 3 perfect innings, once through the lineup. 27 batters, 3 times through. 8 batters makes me inclined to ask for a 7 inning game, four outs per inning. But, that is so totally wrong, that something must be wrong with the original idea of 8 batters.
by paris7 on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not concerned about #1 and #2
#1: I think those breaks are part of the game. To me, it’s part of the tension of the game…when the catcher goes out after the pitcher has thrown six balls in a row, or the pitching coach comes out. It’s annoying when a manager changes pitchers after every batter and then you’ve also got the catcher coming out between pitches, but I can live with that.
#2: There don’t seem to be too many mistakes in terms of checked swings. The appeal is made, the batter lives with it. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
#3: Agreed 50%. Neighborhood plays are absurd, and only called occasionally. As for the “takeout slide,” it has been part of the game since the days of Ty Cobb, and while it is barbaric, I think it does add to the mix of the game. I wouldn’t be averse to getting rid of it, but I understand it.
#4: Yes. Deliberate HBP should not be rewarded. These should be simply called as balls. The pitcher shouldn’t be rewarded with an out, and the batter shouldn’t be rewarded with a base.
#5: I’d like to see appeals on close calls at any of the bases. If you’re not going to have instant replay, the least you can have is another set of eyes on the play. I understand umps would be hard-pressed to overrule one another, but they should get over it.
by richwol1 on Nov 8, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your #5 is a really good point
As a staunch opponent of anything replay, I think an excellent “human-based improvement” in accuracy would be for umps to more routinely “appeal” to the other umps with a signal that asks, “Did anyone clearly see that I got the call wrong?”
We’ve already taken one step in that direction, with umps huddling more frequently to make sure they get calls right, and it has made a positive difference. One could speed up that process with one similar to the “check swing” — a signal that asks, “Is anyone sure enough that we should change the call in real time?” This would be especially pertinent to “catch/trap” OF calls and “on/off the bag” calls where sometimes the “wrong” ump is in the best position to see.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Huddles are a good thing, but
There has to be some good way to call a huddle, which we currently don’t have. I actually wouldn’t mind a flag, but there would have to be education of players to understand that “a flag means keep going” otherwise they play would die immediately.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 8, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh and it should be kickball rules regarding putouts/assists
not only should you have the option of throwing to 1st (or any base) before the runner gets there, but if you can just beane the guy as he’s running to said base he’s still out
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by 9Custs on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just as hitters should be allowed to call for "medium baby bouncies."
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by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was the rule until 1880 or so
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by PaulThomas on Nov 8, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was that the hitter could call for a
“low strike zone” or “high strike zone” and a pitch was a strike if it bounced and then crossed the plate a strike.
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by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah -- it was called a "soak"
And if you caught a ball on the first bounce it was an out.
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by Nick on Nov 8, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and you caught it with your bare hands,
because only weak wusses used gloves…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 9, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think catchers walking to the mound slow things down
basketball used to have the rule (until about 1935, 1936 or so) that you went to center court and had a jump ball after every basket.
!!!
That’s why you had a lot of “18-15” scores in those days.
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by One won lost won on Nov 8, 2009 8:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was at a Cal-OSU basketball game once that ended, IIRC, 18-12 OSU
That was before the NCAA adopted a shot clock.
Note: I may have many facts wrong. It could have been Stanford-OSU, and/or I might only have watched the game on TV, and/or the score might have been different.
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by Nico on Nov 8, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically what you are saying is that this entire post may be a farce, yet when reported it sounds factual?
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by wacchampions on Nov 8, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like cable news...
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 9, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about catchers going to the mound
1. I think its only the molina/burnett stuff this off season that was re-dick-u-lous. I don’t recall it bugging me too much ever before.
2. I like that idea, the homepate umpire should immediately call for appeal and the base umpire immediately make the call so the catcher and batter know quickly.
3. I’ve said before, I don’t think the neighborhood play actually happens that often, if at all, so I don’t think its something to worry about.
by Future Ed on Nov 8, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think that they should have a new rule that applies to turning double plays even when there are 2 outs in the inning...
How about this, if there are 2 outs in the inning and there is a runner at first base, if the batter grounds into a double play, even though you only need one out to end the inning, if you complete the double play then you are allowed to keep that extra out in your pocket and use it at any point in the game that you see fit. It would be kind of like getting a free spin in Wheel of Fortune. Oh, and you would only be allowed to do this once per game. Imagine the strategy that you would have to use to decide when you wanted to use that out that you have available to you.
And oh yeah, I think that the A’s should be allowed 4 outs when they are batting…
That’s it for my suggestions!
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by wacchampions on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
First off, this is not Basketball. So your opinion about changing the rules regarding mound visits is invalid. Baseball is a game of strategy. I would assume you know this, but you know what they say about assume…
Oh, and btw, changing the Catcher is absured. Figure it out already.
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by slkierley on Nov 9, 2009 1:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dude, what's with the attitude?
You wrote six sentences and everyone of them is condescending.
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by iglew on Nov 9, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I counted seven
Then again, the seventh one is condescending too.
I find it somewhat humorous that he characterizes baseball as a game of strategy when the in-game strategy is in fact significantly less important to the game than in literally any other major sport.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 9, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Invalid opinion?
Well, at least you countered it with a slew of valid arguments.
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by elcroata on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding number 1
As Robert Wuhl said it:
Here’s what I don’t get in baseball. You have a Korean pitcher, a Dominican catcher, a first baseman from French Canada and a third baseman from Mississippi, and they can’t understand each other already. Then they cover their mouths with their gloves. Then the catcher puts down one finger for fastball. What was that all about?
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by elcroata on Nov 9, 2009 3:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs






















