Orioles/Athletics rotation comparison
by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 28, 2009 7:55 PM PST
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PrintI was thinking of something to post to my website. And I was thinking about another big league rotation that is similar to the Orioles rotation, and I think the Athletics have the most to compare. The Athletics and Orioles rotations are both lead by a young lefty (Matusz and Anderson). Both rotations starters are all young under 26 (Guthrie being the lone exception). I'm not really sure who will be the last starter to fill the Orioles 2010 rotation so Ill just compare 4 from each team.
Read on after the jump.
Orioles Athletics
1. Brian Matusz (lhp) Brett Anderson (lhp)
2. Chris Tillman (rhp) Trevor Cahill (rhp)
3. Brad Bergesen (rhp) Dallas Braden (lhp)
4. Jeremy Guthrie (rhp) Gio Gonzalez (lhp)
Those 4 from each team seem pretty similar to me. The first three are all young starters, with bright futures. I wasnt sure which 4 to choose for the A's. Cahill and Anderson has to be in. Braden I thought should be third. I wasnt sure who to put on as the 4th between Gonzalez, Mazzaro, and Outman, but I picked Gonzalez.
What do you think? Are these rotations similar? Which is better for 2010? Which is better for the future beyond 2010?
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Outman will be out, man, until mid-season at best, due to Tommy John surgery
As for the comparisons between these two four-man rotations, let’s just rank them based on WPA:
O’s
Matusz: -0.01
Tillman: -0.52
Bergeson: 1.19
Guthrie: -1.68
Total: -1.02
Bergeson performed best of these four last season, and Guthrie is really really bad a pitching a baseball.
A’s
Anderson: 0.12
Cahill: -0.62
Braden: 0.57
Gonzalez: -0.87
Total: -0.80
Braden will most likely be the opening-day starter, Anderson is a stud in the making, Gio will be all right if he can learn to settle down when things don’t go well, and Cahill should start in AAA unless he figures out how to get outs with his best pitch before next season.
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
I think you're right that Braden will be opening-day starter.
The A’s have a history of honoring seniority (seniority on the team, not necessarily age) for the opening day start.
This might mislead some to call him the team’s #1 or “ace”, which he only is in the sense of pitching the first game. I wouldn’t be surprised if they put Cahill in #2 to split up Braden and Anderson in the rotation, too, further confusing any notion that rotation order corresponds to best-to-worst.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I agree, but for different reasons.....
I think it wise to start Braden first cause he is mentally tough and has been through the grinder, which is what the number #1 guy has to go through pitching against the other teams #1s and 2s for the first quarter of the season till rotations get twisted with different schedules, of days, and injuries. Putting Anderson at the 3, Cahil at the 4, and Gio at the 5.
I think the Veteran the A’s are looking for should pitch in the 2 spot. Whether its Duke, or Tomko, or whomever. When in doubt, I say protect the youngsters next year and pu them in the best positions for success.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 29, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
Duke and Tomko don't belong in the same breath.
Duke good. Tomko bad.
Also Anderson looks plenty mentally tough to me. He’ was one of the Top 10 pitchers in the league at 21, and he’s clearly the staff ace till they acquire Greinke, Lincecum or Felix.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Top 10 pitcher?
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 29, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
5th by tRA* and 7th by pRAA among pitchers at least 100 xIP
on StatCorner
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know what those are.
But, how can you say he was better than Tim Lincecum, Zack Grienke, Matt Cain, Roy Halladay, Felix Hernandez, CC Sabathia, Justin Verlander, Jon Lester, Josh Becket, Jon Lackey, Mark Beuhrle, and Matt Garza? So your saying if you had to build two teams to win in ONLY 2010 one of your two teams would have Brett Anderson?
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 29, 2009 9:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well I did say "league", so I meant AL. 5th in tRA* was behind Greinke,
Felix, Lester and Halladay. 7th in pRAA was behind those four as well as Verlander and Sabathia.
I like tRA* because it tries the hardest of any stat I can easily find to separate pitcher contribution from fielder contribution to run prevention. Like FIP it focuses on K and BB rates, but it also takes batted ball types (ground balls, fly balls, line drives) into account.
I’m not saying I’d take him over any other AL pitcher besides those six, but I am saying he had a better year than anyone else in 2009.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh well you did mention Lincecum
I understand your view though
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 29, 2009 9:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ya that was in a different place. Sorry for the confusion.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Looking at it another way, his ERA was 4.06, which is pretty good, but
understates how good he was, because the A’s defense was horrendous, especially in the infield. Of Anderson’s balls-in-play, 50.9% were ground balls, well above the 43% average for the league.
The Hardball Times reckons that the A’s defense was 45 runs below average, 4th worst in the AL. The outfield was actually above average, and so that means the infield was really really bad. A look at the UZR of the main A’s infielders:
Cabrera (SS): -9 runs
Kennedy (3B): -6
Giambi (1B): -6
Crosby (1B/2B/SS/3B): -5
Pennington (SS): -3
Barton (1B): +1
Ellis (2B): +2
Hannahan (3B): +7
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
If you're going to use UZR...
…you should probably mention that UZR rates the 2009 A’s fielding as a bit above average overall (+5). They do show a similar IF/OF split, though, with the A’s OF at +35 and the infield at -30.
Thanks. Any idea why the massive difference?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 30, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Why are people so keen on throwing Cahil under the bus?
I understand he had some rough stretches last season, they all did for the most part. But when he was on, his stuff was great and it was ground ball heaven. I look foreword to seeing him come out fresh and with a full year under his belt. He should be better for the experience, and like most young guys, will be highly motivated to right some of the wrongs/mistakes he, and all rookies make. Im sure the A’s coaches gave him very specific advice and very specific goals for the offseason.
Again, I cant wait to see this kid, and the others (Gio, Anderson, Mazarro, and Outman when he gets back too). I mean, they cant be worse for the experience they gained last year, can they?
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by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 29, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I dont think it's so much about throwing Cahill under the bus
As trying to make it clear just how much improvement Cahill has to make to be a good pitcher. He was a top prospect who was rushed but I think people are leaning too much on the “he was too young last year, but now he is older so he will be great” line of reasoning to explain away his troubles. He has a lot of work to do and I prefer to wait for some signs of making the appropriate improvements before giving him the full stamp of approval.
Cahill was really really really bad last year
By most fielding-independent pitching measures, he was in the bottom 2 or 3 qualified starters in baseball (though that does exclude the guys who were so terrible they didn’t crack 162 innings). His ERA looked decent because the A’s defense behind him was much better than the A’s defense behind every other starting pitcher on the team. That’s almost certainly a consequence of luck.
He can improve his actual skill level a lot— which every A’s fan, with the possible exception of a few Eeyore types, expects and hopes him to do— and still be bad next year.
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Well he did improve a lot in the second half. He was actually somewhat averageish
in the second half — 80.1 IP, 43K, 31BB, 9HR. Isn’t that something like a 4.74 FIP? The ground balls did spike up in the last six weeks of the season and the line drives did drop.
Further improvement from a 4.74 FIP would make him a pretty respectable mid-rotation starter at 22. That’s pretty impressive to me.
Of course he could revert to his first half crappiness, and become completely useless.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
The only really profound difference between his halves was HR/FB rate
which, given that the same guy was pitching in both halves, almost certainly has nothing to do with skill.
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Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Well the GB rate did go up, so maybe there was a little skill involved. But
yeah, it’s certainly far from a sure thing that his “improvement” will continue.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 30, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Similar situations, indeed
Tillman and Matusz both struggled some last year but look good long-term. I think Anderson’s the best of those four but Cahill is probably the worst, so pretty much a wash there, maybe a slight edge to Oakland on star potential.
Bergesen and Braden— fairly comparable, both strike-throwers with weak stuff; Braden has a longer MLB track record and was a million times better in the minors, so edge Oakland there.
Not a fan of Guthrie. He’s never had good fielding-independent numbers. Comparing him to Gio, clear edge Oakland there, especially considering his contract situation.
I think we can go one further and compare Jake Arrieta to Mazzaro. Have to favor Arrieta on that one, much better strikeout numbers in the minors.
I think the A’s have a slightly better picture going forward, but Baltimore clearly has some great pitching prospects. They, the A’s and the Rangers have the best young pitching in baseball. Or at least they will once Matt Cain hits free agency and is paid 18 zillion dollars so the Yankees can lure him to the Bronx.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Braden doesn't have "weak stuff."
He has a slow fastball and a plus change, with an above-average slider, and a well-developing cutter. Fangraphs ranks all of his offspeed pitches (his “curveball” I have a suspicion is simply weirdly spinning changeups) as well above-average.
Just because he throws slowly, I wouldn’t call his stuff “weak.” He also has had excellent K numbers in the minors, which as far as I’m concerned indicates evidence of “stuff.”
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by King Richard on Nov 29, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Fangraphs isn't "ranking" his pitches at all
It’s just measuring what happened when they were put in play this season. Braden pitched well overall last season from an ERA standpoint— saying that his pitches had positive outcomes is edging into tautology-land. Really all it means is that he’s good enough at game theory to throw them at roughly the correct frequencies.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Perhaps that's true,
but in that case, I’m not sure it should be allowed that one distinguish between a pitcher’s game theory abilities and the unhittability of their pitches in a vacuum. Sure, we’re in tautology-land (I like that phrase), but I honestly don’t think that “stuff” should be described as anything other than a pitch’s ability to attain positive outcomes.
And also, I’ve always thought that strikeouts were a traditional method of measuring “stuff.”
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Nov 29, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
No, usually it's a combination of a pitcher's velocity and movement
I’ll grant you that it is often bastardized to pure velocity, which is why people think Edwin Jackson has good stuff when actually he kinda doesn’t.
But, I mean, any scout in the world will tell you that Tyson Ross has better stuff than Ben Hornbeck, even though he struck out fewer hitters this season. (I suppose that could change if Hornbeck fills out and adds some more velocity, however.)
There are some problems with outcome-based evaluations of pitches. For instance, if a pitch is routinely used as a kill pitch when ahead in the count, it will appear better than a catch-up pitch for when behind in the count. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, but the first pitch is definitely operating with an unfair handicap.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
My point was just that if a player has the ability to get strikeouts,
it usually means that he has pitches that generate strikeouts, which I consider to be good stuff. But then again, there’s also the “fool em” factor, which certainly plays a big part with Dallas Braden. Still.
As far as the linear weights—true, it puts an emphasis on “out” pitches, etc. but it still weights it as runs above average, so it should show that some pitches are better than others, even if it would be optimal not to have to compare Dallas Braden’s fastball, which he generally uses as a get-me-over strike to set up his change to Justin Verlander’s, which he uses up in the zone with two strikes in order to strike out the hitter.
But in some ways, that does show an important distinction—if Braden’s fastball were better, he could use it more as an out pitch.
Point is, like most statistics, using linear weights for individual pitches has its problems, but I prefer to use it instead of nothing for evaluation purposes.
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by King Richard on Nov 29, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
no love for the rays?
pretty sure they are as young as anyone and way way better than balt, tex and us.
Ya but they still don't have anyone as good as Anderson.
Kazmir was their best hope and he turned out to be fragile.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
It's a fair cop
They might not be as good as Anderson individually, but the Rays could have a rotation of 5 #2 starters, which would almost certainly be the best in baseball (except in the postseason).
And Jeremy Hellickson is awesome sauce.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Hah
Or at least they will once Matt Cain hits free agency and is paid 18 zillion dollars so the Yankees can lure him to the Bronx.
Or when the Giants have to trade Lincecum because his arb figures are too high and they committed so much money to Zito and Rowand and other mediocre vets.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
His arb salaries aren't going to be that high
Seriously, anyone who says they are has no idea what he is talking about.
Lincecum is likely to get about 7-8 million this offseason. It could climb to $20M or so by 2013.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
This seems up your alley.
And I bet you could convince Hastings to cover your costs.
http://www.law.tulane.edu/tlsOrgs/sportslaw/index.aspx?id=11368
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 1, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
There's no possible way I could get anything together in two weeks
but I might try to set it up for next year, when I will be frantically looking for anything to put on my resume that will appeal to the handful of $15 an hour temp agencies that will deign to look at it before discarding it for use as toilet paper.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Ten years ago, who would have guessed
that getting a law degree would be about as valuable as getting a liberal arts degree.
For that matter, who would have guessed that being male would make you an advantaged minority.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I'm a little confused by that second one
Males have been an advantaged minority since hunter-gatherer days…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I'm thinking ahead.
Women dominate law schools now. That means some time in the medium-term future they will dominate law firms.
Studies show that women are more productive if there are some men in the workplace. So I envision all-female law firms competing to hire the few competent young male lawyers out there.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
No kidding
I looked for “Future, Ed and Associates” but it wasn’t on there. At which booth would you happen to be?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Send me an email
from my profile, I ‘ll give you more info. I don’t want the name coming up in an AN thread on a google search.
Like happens with
“Trainman + suck + goat balls”?
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Read the sample briefs
You could crank one of those out in under an hour. But yeah, I found out about it too late. I’m gonna keep an eye on it this year and see if maybe I can fit it in next year.
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by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 2, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, really?
I knew arbitration was kinda shady as a legal “process,” but under an hour for a brief? Ouch.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Well
The sample briefs are basically BP articles. It makes sense, since there’s no legal issue that would determine George Sherrill’s 2009 salary.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I tried BP articles as sample briefs,
and let me just say: Itchy.
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I'd replace Guthrie with Erbe or someone else. Jeremy doesn't seem that great.
Of the pitchers listed, the key is Gio, who could either be very good or not a factor.
Orioles also have Britton and Hobgood, while the A’s have Ynoa, if you want to look into the future. It is pretty exciting for both teams.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
Yeah Both have very good young pitchers
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 29, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Wow my vote is the only one for the Orioles
Im gonna post this on Camden Chat and see what happens!
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You'll no doubt get the reverse result.
Everyone’s a homer.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Probably a combination of things
One being the homer factor.
Another being a strong information bias. Both rotations are young with a wide range of possible outcomes. As A’s fans we have all seen a lot of our pitchers and are more confident in making predictions on how they will do. I like a lot of the Oriole’s young arms but I really don’t know what to expect out of Matusz, Tillman, and the like next year as I’ve only seen a few clips on espn and their numbers.
Actually information bias was exactly what I had in mind
when I said “homer”. Everyone is a homer because of information bias.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Yea I guess so
Of course there might be some people who are “homers” because they just like seeing their favorite team finish first in blog polls.
Oops, premature post.
I voted Oakland just because Anderson’s so far ahead of anyone else on either team.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I dont think hes that far ahead of Matusz
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 29, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
But you're wrong.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Nov 29, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, sorry... that came out a little bit forceful.
Matusz is an excellent prospect, I’d love to have him, I’d project him to be excellent going forward.
I just think that Anderson showing what he can do over a full year in the bigs, plus his gain in velocity, puts him ahead of of Matusz for now.
But not THAT far, true, so sorry for knocking you down right away. We A’s fans are usually loving and accepting of foreigners.
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by King Richard on Nov 29, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Except the Dutch.
We HATE the Dutch. We’re just not really sure why.
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something about dikes?
or was it that tulip mania thing?
no, wait, it’s because they created New York in the first place.
The A's. The SWINGING A's. That's right, the SWINGING A's.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Nov 29, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
It's their goddamn ovens and treats.
Oh, and their diseased elms. Yeah, we hate those, too.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Well, we just found the source of Duch-scherer's depression.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
At least they’re not those smelly Hawaiians…
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 30, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
It's alright
It’ll be intersting to see there careers play out together
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 29, 2009 9:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
By "ahead" I meant at further along the path of development. Matusz has the potential
to be really good, but he’s not had the year that Anderson had in 2009 yet.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 29, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
It was mentioned above,
should the A’s pursue a veteran SP to help anchor the kids, or do they go all in with the youth movement????
the most veteran we're going to get
is maybe duke. from what ive seen, theres not a whole lot of good sp out there, not named lackey, even though i’d personally like to take a chance on ben sheets. we might sign an international free agent, but probably no one thats going to pitch for us in 2010
Wouldn't be surprised to see a tryout contract-type guy
Brandon Backe, Noah Lowry, Mark Mulder, etc….here’s a minor-league contract, now try to get your career [back] on track.
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by CaliforniaJag on Nov 30, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Pursue a veteran to keep IP limits down
It’s somewhat obvious that Cahill or Mazzaro may need to start the season in AAA (I’d start them both there), and Outman’s out of commission until at least mid season.
Having someone to place hold would be smart.
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wait, where is the part where you actually compare them?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
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Shall I compare them to a Summer's day?
Or to Darren O’Day?
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