If Jack Cust Traded, Then To Whom And For What?
by nocal81 on Nov 23, 2009 11:18 AM PST
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According to this report Jack Cust is expected to be traded before the December 12th non tender deadline. Adam Rubin of the New York Daily News suggests the New York Mets as a fit for the A's DH. This seems a bit far fetched as Cust's main position is DH, but i guess the Mets could use him in left field and maybe 1B.
Let me take a look at other possible destinations and who we may get in return
Tampa Bay: For 2B- Sean Rodriguez and a prospect. The rays are looking to trade Pat Burrell and may need a replacement for him. Cust would be a cheaper alternative for a team attempting to shed some payroll. Rodriguez can play 2nd and 3rd, he has shown a lot of pop in the minors but yet to show it in the majors. It had been reported that Billy Beane is interested in him
Minnesota: For RHP- Kevin Slowey. They really don't have a true DH and with the trade of Carlos Gomez it looks like they may be in the market for one, they could also use a little more pop in the lineup. The acquisition of Slowey would be short term as Oakland would look to move him for a young bat. Beane has said that he is more interested in filling needs via the trade so this is a viable option
Detroit: Cust and Wuertz for RHP- Edwin Jackson: This would fill two holes for the Tigers a good set up man and power hitting DH. They are looking to trade Jackson so that isn't out of left field, Oakland may need to add another small piece to the equation but i see Detroit looking into this. For the A's it gives them a staff ace who has shown he is a top of the rotation pitcher. Money shouldn't be much of an issue as Cust and Wuertz earned a combined 6.6 million in 2009 and even with a raise Jackson looks to earn about 9MD in 2010.
Texas: for RHP- Neftali Perez and a prospect: I know teams usually don't trade within the division but considering the Rangers are desperate enough to look at Milton Bradley anything is possible. Cust would be a much better fit for them. Oakland would receiver Perez, an up and coming reliever and another prospect. Perez would be used as a trade chip to acquire a young bat
San Francisco: For RHP- Jonathon Sanchez: I was hesitant on adding another national league team to this list but i can see this working. The Giants need a lot more pop in the lineup and with Winn as a free agent they could slot Cust in at LF and 1B. Oakland would receive a nice young starter in return, either to trade or keep. I know Sanchez threw a no-hitter this season but believe it or not his trade value isn't as high as you may think.
New York Mets: for OF- Fernando Martinez and 1B- Ike Davis: This deal is something the report talked about, but i don't see it as a viable option. Yet if they were to make the deal this is how i believe it would go down. Martinez would be a keeper for the A's but Davis would be moved later
I think it makes sense for the A's to trade Cust, especially if they are going to non tender him. It's two fold in my opinion because i think there are better options then Cust in the free agent market and we get something in return. I fully expect him to be traded before December 12th
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Note: I edited the headline because I don't want to mislead readers
The “expected to be traded” comes from some NY writer saying teams are “believed to have considered” trading for Cust.
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by Nico on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I was wondering, i knew that wasn’t my title LOL. Thought i was losing it
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by nocal81 on Nov 23, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nocal81
Totally off subject but the Wizards fans who shot down your Warriors/Wizards trade proposal are insane…
I thought Magette plus the upside of B Wright and expiring contract of Claxton for Caron Butler would help them out!!!!!
by MMunoz33 on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
but what they hey. As it is i don’t have any confidence that Riley could pull off a trade like that anyway.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81 on Nov 23, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yes, Nico's Fox-like news retraction after sucking them in.
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
by ak_A on Nov 23, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I MSNBC what you did there.
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by Nico on Nov 23, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i had a hot stove moment thinking that this was a good cust-trade rumor but no....
alaska A residing in northern Idaho.
by ak_A on Nov 23, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
queston
how can he be traded? i thot he was an unrestricted FA? He was only signed for one year, wasn’t he?
by sf drift king on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He is still under team control
He is arb eligible, however
by jeffro on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
thanx, didn’t know that.
by sf drift king on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know where to start with these trade prosposals
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I though the author did a decent job of looking at possibilities. Sure some are a little out there, but he made that clear IMO. I personally appreciate a guy willing to put his thoughts out there to start a discussion, especially when he will most likely be raked over the fire by folks who disagree.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 23, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because none of them are reasonable.
This is the type of stuff that you do in video games.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Minn and SF deals
could be reasonable with some minor tweaking (IE a midlevel prospect/filler here and there)
Not saying I like um, but they seem reasonable.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 23, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK.
You go around proposing Jonathan Sanchez for Jack Cust at MCC. Lemme know how that works out.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez for......
Cust + Buck/Cunningham or Eveland/Gray/Mazarro/Wuertz
Like I said, with some minor tweaking (add a mid level prospect, player that has yet to put it together at the MLB level, or pitcher) it could be done.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 23, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not minor its major tweaking
Jake Cust is a good player but it seems the author, who’s input is appreciated, is proposing trades that opposing teams would never do. Its with his his heart and not his head. I’d love the players he’s proposing but unfortunately it probably cant happen. On a one to one trade bases Cust goes for a B+ prospect currently playing in the minors. No one major league ready worthy of a better than B grade, and especially not a front/middle of the rotation starter. I hope I’m wrong and we can find someone desperate for a left handed slugger willing to deal with his strikeouts and defense of a high school kid.
by Beane's idea creator on Nov 24, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i certainly don't like sanchez that much
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by 9Custs on Nov 24, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
It’s one thing to post thought, it’s another thing to post jackass trade proposal that have no realistic chance of happening. N. Perez for Cust?!!! Come on now.
by GoldenArms on Nov 23, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, both neftali trades are equally awful.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 27, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I choose not to put someone down......
simply because they had the juevos to put their thoughts down for all to see. I give the guy credit for trying, and insert my 2 cents. That way, he may post again, and actually contribute to the community, rather than be pushed away by self proclaimed “EXPERT” bloggers, too quick to bash someone for no reason other than their own ego. Its a blog, and if these guys were as good as they think they are, they would already have jobs in the MLB.
I say, why not give the guy your criticisms in a more constructive/positive manner? It seems like the decent thing to do, and it seems to make sense to me….
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 23, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about to Texas for
Vincente Padilla
Kevin Millwood
by MMunoz33 on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!!!
Padilla!! Hilarious! Maybe he could be used to bean our guys in ST to get um ready for the regular season beanings.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 23, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes
assuming that Billy Beane can get what is required in return. I think the poll answers should be “Absolutely,” “Lean Yes- gimme some value,” “Lean No- only if it knocks socks,” “NO WAY”
by jeffro on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re-sign Crosby to hit 3rd in line-up
and he can protect Cust batting cleanup…
Get er’ done Bilwy B.
by MMunoz33 on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Woo-friggin'-hoo
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We absolutely can't live w/o that.....
.220 average! I miss it already!
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 23, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes for me, too
if billy beane can somehow swing that edwin jackson trade, then he really is a genius!
by sf drift king on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If you called in any of the trade proposals listed above to those teams' GMs
you’d hear a lot of laughter followed by a dial tone.
by cityplANner on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I used to hear that a lot when I asked women out
by sirbed on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
word.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Nov 23, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, those trades are drastically different
Tampa Bay- No way the Rays give up Rodriguez for Cust when Burrell is still on the payroll. If TB were to trade Burrell and the A’s to add Wuertz, maybe.
Minnesota- Slowey could work. I think Minnesota is giving up a little much, but this is an idea I’d have to explore before shooting it down.
Detroit- Edwin Jackson is still the same walk machine he was in TB. Now he’s just hiding behind a shiny ERA. Do not want, especially if we include Wuertz. And assuming you’re right, how on Earth is he earning 9 million?
Texas- Neftali Perez does not exist, except as an April Fools joke. Neftali FELIZ exists and is way, way better than Cust. Preseason, Feliz was ranked higher than Anderson and Cahill as a prospect. Texas will move Feliz back to the rotation and will positively not trade him.
San Francisco- Sanchez is probably a bit more valuable than Cust, but I don’t really like him. Kind of similar to Gio but older. Your most realistic trade proposal.
Mets- Two of their four best prospects. You’re not getting anywhere with that proposal.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well
I am assuming he will get an arbitration raise due to his 2009 season, but again i am not 100 percent sure if he is up for arbitration. Okay i got the name confused, but i heard a report that the Rangers had discussed FELIZ in a deal for Bradley, i will attempt to find a link. If that is true then why not for Cust who has more value then the disgruntled Cubbie.
Wuertz and Cust for Rodriguez? That is an absolute joke. Keep in mind that Rodriguez wasn’t even the main payer they got in return for the struggling Scott Kazmir. I am not a huge fan of Sanchez and yes i would compare him to Gio with one exception. Gio has much more upside.
Regarding the Mets, well they are looking to add one of those two player to any deal in order to get rid of Luis Castillo. I did make a mistake, i meant and/or
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81 on Nov 23, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The trouble is that Feliz is probably worth more than anyone on the A's except maybe
Anderson. And maybe more than him as well.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would value Anderson above Feliz based on what each guy did last year.
But yeah, that’s about it.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If SF were actually dumb enough to offer Jonathan Sanchez for Cust
I’d be faxing the paperwork to Bud Selig’s office before Sabean could finish making the offer.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Suspect we'll have to wait until Cust is 35 before he goes to the Giants
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
by bobnothing on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
burn!
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by micdog2001 on Nov 25, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re trading with Texas
It is true that teams don’t usually trade within the division. If you look more closely, the real situation is that there are certain pairs of teams that don’t usually trade with each other, and these pairs are disproportionately pairs of division rivals.
In this particular case, however, if you look at the six pairs within the AL West, five of those pairs don’t have much history of trading recently*. The exception is Oakland and Texas, which have made several trades over the past few years.
*Early evidence suggests that Seattle’s trading patterns have changed under the new GM.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"We'll give you Ron Washington and 2nd place in exchange for nothing."
“OK!”
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by Nico on Nov 23, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
done and done!
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 23, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said in the other thread
If Mets are really interested, Daniel Murphy or Reese Havens would be realistic targets. Maybe with a so-so pitching prospect to even things out.
by Manstein on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Reese Havens as a possibility for Cust. Maybe for Cahill or someone like that.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh?
Reese Havens isn’t going to be a top 100 type of guy, I’d think. He didn’t make the FSL top 20 that BA handed out a few months ago.
Even someone as down on Cahill as I am after 2009 wouldn’t think about trading him for Havens.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets would probably want someone like that for him though. He might be their 2B
or even SS of the future.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe this falls into the 95% of trades which are "never going to happen no matter what"
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, if we can get some of these things for Jack Cust, sign me up.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Nov 23, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, there is no God
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever.....
I talked with the lord this morning! ;P
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 23, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't make me post the How About No bear again
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's waiting, Paul.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 23, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've gotta say
The image posting on AN has gotten substantially better recently.
Yay for that.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's because the season is over.
Most image posting during the season is in the game threads, where it’s typically thrown together in a hurry.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 23, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Rally Gilmore Girls recently, though
sad face
by cityplANner on Nov 23, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting back to the original question...
most of the “who” in your post is right, other than the NL teams, unless the A’s can find a really stupid one. The White Sox might make sense, too, assuming they don’t keep Thome.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Nov 23, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
(psst)
(Thome was traded to the Dodgers)
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about that.
So, remove the qualification from the White Sox; they could use a DH, unless they plan to put Konerko there.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Nov 23, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they could just re-sign Thome
Dude’s a FA
by cityplANner on Nov 23, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also true.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Nov 23, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox might make sense
assuming they don’t keep him.
by oblique on Nov 23, 2009 7:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a huge Cust fan but...
unless the A’s add another power bat how do they get rid of Cust?
We’ll have to see what moves Beane makes but having Cust DH and bat 6th is fine with me until the A’s get some power from LF/RF/1B/3B.
As far as Cust going to a NL team that would only work if the NL team doesn’t have any video of Cust “playing” in the outfield.
by sirbed on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
so then no more game threads with people screaming
“omg what is cust doing in rf?!?!”
by OakA'sHoney on Nov 23, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey there OAH
hmm that’s another reason to keep Cust as the jokes about him in the game threads are often better than the game.
by sirbed on Nov 23, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but rf is alot less sexy when he plays
p.s. hey there!
by OakA'sHoney on Nov 23, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hi.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BETTER NOW!
:swoon:
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hi OAH
This article made me think of you.
Can’t wait for the sabermetric analysis of that.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 23, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hi, ok i'll break it down and present my analysis on a power point presentation next week
by OakA'sHoney on Nov 23, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which lecture hall should I plan to drop by?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 23, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wheeler auditorium of course
i assume i’ll have a large audience
by OakA'sHoney on Nov 23, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gradkowski
Is he better-looking than Russell? Well, Bruce showed up to the press conference last night in a suit.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 23, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your view of Cust is overvalued
I don’t think any of the above teams are getting fair value in getting Cust. The only scenario that is fair is the Texas one, but giving up Cust and Weurtz for Edwin Jackson is not a good trade from the A’s standpoint. Edwin Jackson’s year for the Tigers is a Fluke. Jonathan Sanchez is interesting, but the track record is not good for marginal national league pitchers moving to the junior circuit, despite the vast foul territory at the Coliseum.
Off note, I think Cust would make the perfect Yankee. As a left handed DH, with their short left field porch, I think he could hit 35 to 40 homers. But they have plenty of DH candidates.
by StewCrew on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Cust and Wuertz for Jackson. He seems to be a decent pitcher now.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
StewCrew, your comment is a beautiful example
of how one can easily disagree with an entire post and do it in a fully respectful manner. Regarding Cust and Yankee stadium, thing is, Cust doesn’t actually hit that many of his HRs to dead RF. The Yanks are better off looking for players who tend to fly out to RF.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 23, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His comment is also very very wrong the Texas trade is probably the least likely
and this post was completely ridiculous. Sometimes you just need to call stuff out for what it is.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or else...?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
People might believe it...
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 24, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh noes!
People too dumb to think for themselves might believe something they saw on the Internet! Which in this case, of course, is simply that “Some guy on the Internet thinks these trades would be equitable.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 24, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, lets never challenge bad ideas on the assumption everyone can tell they are bad ideas
Or, instead, we can point them out and determine whether we are right to think they’re bad.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 25, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You haven't explained why it's necessary to do it in a manner
that is “calling out” instead of just saying, “Your view of Cust is overvalued” (as the comment I applauded did) or “Here’s what you could do to construct more equitable trades” (which the author and/or many readers may appreciate).
Acting like you are on a mission from God to find and expose bad ideas on the Internet doesn’t actually help anyone — including God, whom you are enabling to believe there are not more important things to be worrying about, like world hunger and where my pants are.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
God only knows
where your pants are, Nico.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 25, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Acting like you are on a mission from God to find and expose bad ideas on the Internet doesn’t actually help anyone
Agreed.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Nov 25, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but one can do that nicely.
You can point out the inequality of the trades without calling the whole post ridiculous.
Proposing fair trades is hard. If you’re off in one direction everyone screams “ZOMG you’re an idiot, they would never do that!!!” If you’re off in the other direction everyone screams “ZOMG that’s a horrible trade for us, why are you trying to ruin our team?!?” The best you can hope for is to get some of each, in which case maybe you’re close.
Not everyone is expertly skilled at this, and the only way people will learn is to take guesses and get feedback. And even the feedback is dubious, since almost everyone’s a homer. It’s not hard to propose a trade that’s actually too generous and yet still have fans on the other side say they’d never do it. As stupid as the Jonathon Sanchez proposal seems to you, you can bet there’s some guy on MCC who thinks they could trade us Aaron Rowand for Cust plus Bailey.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 24, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because, quite frankly,
Crap like this is, IMO, a disservice to the likes of NSJ, Taj, PT and others who have all spent significant amounts of time working out potential trades with other teams, and beyond that going into extreme detail in very lengthy fanposts spelling out the good and the bad for BOTH TEAMS, and how the deals would make sense for both side. Aside from the nonsensical stuff in game threads and the joking that goes on, that’s the sort of stuff that I expect from AN.
Then there are posts like this one, which have essentially zero analysis done and seem to propose a bunch of ridiculously lopsided deals that are all in the A’s favor.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I call total BS
It’s not NSJ, Taj, and PT who make AN great, nor is it newfan1, zealousfan2, and tryafanpost3 who make AN great. It’s the blend of all of us, and if you don’t find a fanpost worthy of comment, then “criticize” it with your silence or be useful — be a teacher, explaining why it is flawed and how it could be improved.
The notion that if a fan isn’t prepared to put in the time, effort, and research to produce a “trade proposal masterpiece,” like some others have, then he/she shouldn’t publish anything at all? Poppycock & Codswollop rolled into one.
It’s attitudes like the some of the ones expressed in this exchange that cause readers to find AN “elitist” and “cliquish,” which, for the record, is NOT something I am striving for, personally, in my leadership as “blogfather.”
Ow!
Fell off my soap box.
{ices ankle, is day-to-day}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 24, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
What's funny
is that this is, by a ridiculously large margin, the least “elitist” website I’ve ever been associated with. At most sites, bad content either doesn’t get published at all or gets pasted with negative feedback as soon as it is. This is— by the standards of the biz— the equivalent of torturing the OP with the Soft Cushion.
And yet some people continually whine and complain about it.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 24, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to hear that; I really don't frequent other sites.
You don’t see any correlation between the lack of elitism and the overt efforts, from the top down (and I include Blez, who has been at the top longer than I and will always, IMO, be AN’s true “blogfather”) to say, with words and actions both, “We don’t want an elitist community”?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 24, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, entirely to the contrary
For better or for worse, and I’m not really prepared here to say whether it’s better or worse overall, it’s the direct result of intentional action on the part of the blog’s management.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 24, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree here.
As far as the internet goes, AN is one of the nicest places around. Other places are far more cutthroat and aggressive.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 24, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, AN is uncommonly nice for a high-traffic blog.
AN is much nicer than most places.
And yet, I would not say it’s stupider than most places. Yes, some sites are smarter, but AN is fairly smart and heaven knows that there are plenty out there far stupider.
I offer this as one piece of evidence against any who might think that anti-elitism leads to stupidity and therefore it’s necessary to keep being mean in order to maintain standards of smart. It’s not.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 24, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to slightly disagree with you here
Are NSJ, Taj, PT, et al the ONLY thing great about AN, clearly not. I don’t think that’s what mikev was saying in his post. Are they the only ones allowed to make posts, clearly not. But, I for one, believe what makes AN special is that people go to great lengths to actually be intelligent, conscious & respectful in developing their posting.
I’m lazy, I have no desire to put in the effort these guys (and gals) put in to make such interesting content (and I’m not just talking about stat-related, trade-related posts), and in a personal effort to be respectful to the community at large, you’re not going to see me make a fan post unless I’m willing to put in a concerted effort do so. Now, does that mean others can’t, no. But just because I think think the individuals of community should make a such an effort in their posts, it doesn’t make it elitist, not at all, it’s more a sign of respect. (I’m talking generally, not to any specific post).
Personally I don’t think silence is a successful sign of disapproval and well, yes, a more proper criticism could have been made, but I don’t think mikev’s wrong in his assessment of what’s a part of what makes this site so great and what (at times) can detract from the site at large.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 24, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
If you'll notice, I specifically said "AND OTHERS" there.
Clearly those 3 aren’t what make AN great. Not even close. And you know exactly what I meant when I posted that, but feel free to do your AN Blogfather soapbox routine if you must, but it’s not necessary. I have no interest in being elitist or cliquish, I hvae an interest in reading stuff on AN that’s actually interesting and (more importantly) something that’s actually POSSIBLE.
If you’ll notice, I don’t make a lot of fanposts, and definitely not stuff making crazy trade proposals or outlandish signings, etc. Why? Because it’s frickin HARD to do, it takes a good deal of thinking and time to put together, and it’s hard to come up with stuff that’s both realistic and makes sense for all sides.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 24, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we just have different views of a "failed try"
You’re suggesting that posts like these are lazy and I’m suggesting that they’re someone trying to post something that’s “interesting and actually possible” — and in this case, still generating some interesting discussion on the topic while hearing that the fanpost’s proposals aren’t the answer.
And yes, I know you don’t mean “just those 3” but I do think you meant, and mean, that fanposts like this are a waste of time or don’t have enough put into them. I don’t agree. They are at worst an unsuccessful attempt that others are far better at, that there’s little harm in trying and can still provide fodder for good discussion, albeit mostly about groping, Rich Gannon, the B-52s, garlic, and my pants.
Blez and I could have gone for “standards” over “inclusivity/community” but we didn’t. We figure the quality will be there but the inclusivity and community are more important starting points and “mission points.” Just a philosophy — not necessarily the "right’ one, but ours.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 24, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well... if a slight bit more time was put into them
I’d assume little things wouldn’t be overlooked… like the fact that Jack Cust has pretty much never played first base, or that Jonathan Sanchez’ name is spelled with an A and not an O, or that Neftali PEREZ doesn’t even exist. It’s Feliz.
I’m all for being inclusive, but if someone is going to make a bunch of riduculous trade proposals, they better damn well be prepared to be told they’re ridiculous. That’s also part of the ‘good stuff’ AN brings to the table. Say something dumb, get called on it.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 24, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Just like in, say, a bar
Doesn’t mean we’re not welcoming, we’re just going to call BS for what it is.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 25, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Is the OP a valuable part of AN? Sure. Is this post? Not really. Is the OP likely to improve their posts without feedback? Nope. Should we care about the OP doing better next time? Yep.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 25, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t make a lot of fanposts Why? Because it’s frickin HARD to do, it takes a good deal of thinking and time to put together, and it’s hard to come up with stuff that’s both realistic and makes sense for all sides.
So youre saying its much easier to jump in with a snide comment and never actually contribute anything around here, huh?
Yeah, its very easy to do that, like what I just did here, to you! But seriously posters who exist only to reply and rip other posters for their ideas is one step removed from trolling. If you are admittedly only existing on here to respond to posts, then it needs to be done in a very respectful manner, as anyone who decides to post an idea on here are automatically above those who make snarky remarks on others’ ideas.
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow comment layout fail
apologies to everyone as I clearly still havent learned to hit preview before posting.
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Comment layout *AND* reading comprehension fail.
“I don’t make a lot” does not mean “I never make fanposts”
Matter of fact, it’s simple enough to click on my username, then the blog tab, and see all the fanposts I’ve done.
You’re gonna have to do better than that if you want to be snide.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly im not very good at being snide
i try to be respectful until i am disrespected. im working on taking the high road more often though.
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's boring.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a far cry from not making fanposts
to only making snide comments/never actually contributing anything. To say someone who never posts a fan post is basically a step removed from trolling is complete BS. You can actually be part of the conversation, just not the starter, as many people around here do.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 25, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in his defense
I don’t contribute a lot of value. I’m comic relief, like Nico only without the blogfather title and the front page contributions.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're too humble, Mike V.
You do contribute a lot of value. In particular, the general attitude and persona you provide is a great asset to AN. You are truly a good role model for the young kids, and I mean that seriously.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 25, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no role model!!!
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly though,
AN that are over zealous and have no idea what they are talking about diminish my enjoyment of the site because I have to shift through all sorts of bullshit like how Texas is going to trade one of the top 10 young pitchers in baseball for Jack Cust, and don’t get good debate because everyone is focused on the completely wild and hysterical claims. DO SOME RESEARCH PEOPLE its not that hard.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 24, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a yahooo serach of poppycock & codswollop yields this
Amazon.com: Products tagged with horse feathers
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Nov 25, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I've been paying too much for my horse feathers!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
God I stop posting epic fanposts for a month and all of a sudden im not on the epic fanpost list
im going to have to go to my mom’s basement and cry now.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 24, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You've missed all the action.
(And give me back my warehouse, you damn hipster!)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 24, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
psht what else are you going to use if for? Industrial production?
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 24, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up, sissy.
Your fanposts weren’t even that good.
OH, BURN. snaps fingers
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 24, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im moving out DEC 1! I will defeat you.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 24, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To where, some hipster compound where the issue skinny jeans, janitor keys
oversize sunglasses, and hoodies with irrelavent sayings printed on them?
Sounds cool.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck oversized sunglasses
im moving to hayes valley though. Pretty sweet deal tiny fucking room but its in sf and 650 a month.
cant beat that.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
650 a month to live in a closet in SF?
Man, I just don’t get the whole SF bit. I mean, I have tons of friends who live there, most of them are seedy motorcyclist types though, but it just seems.. I dunno..
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it does come with two closets though.
and its in a great neighborhood four blocks away from one of my best friends and four blocks away from my second favorite dance club.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 25, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT'S fanpost material.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 24, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just got my fathead of Josh Donaldson
he’s “better than I think” apparently!
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait what?
The Texas one is fair?
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Nov 23, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, now just sign the paperwork, dammit, and stop asking questions.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 23, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Copyright Infringement
Hey StewCrew! I’m suing you for trying to steal my brand name, my customers, and my product!
Checking the official records, I’ve had ownership of this property way way way way before you jumped in (1 whole month).
I expect damages to be paid in the form of an autographed Dave Stewart Jersey, a Coloseum parking pass for next year, and Billy Beane to get Albert Pujols for Scott Hairston.
by Stew's Crew on Nov 24, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Call up the Marlins
If they really are going to have to move Johnson, I offer Cust, Cahill, and another prospect. A one two punch of Anderson and Johnson would be legit.
by Pucking Insane on Nov 23, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn't want Cust's contract.
So unless you’re going to make that Carter, Cahill, and another prospect (Cunningham, or Buck, or both?) I wouldn’t think a deal will get done.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A's would probably have to offer Carter, Cahill, Weeks and Cunningham for Johnson
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Jimmie Foxx and Lefty Grove
I’d hang up the phone if they ask for Rickey and Eck ;-)
by StewCrew on Nov 23, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla and Johnson
for Cahill, Weeks and Simmons who says no?
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Marlins
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot from the A's side.
Since they’d be getting the 2 best players in that deal.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Slowey is a good buy-low candidate,
Especially if their GM is as dumb as he looks. However, I don’t think Cust will get it done.
They really don’t have a true DH and with the trade of Carlos Gomez
Yes they do, his name is Jason Kubel. If they non-tendered Delmon “worst everyday player in the bigs” Young, that is when they’d be looking at Cust IMO.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Nov 23, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I see your Delmon Young
And raise you Yuniesky Betancourt.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 23, 2009 5:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I see your Delmon Young
And raise you Yuniesky Betancourt.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 23, 2009 5:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Smith doesn't look as dumb as Melvin now after the Hardy for Gomez trade.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the Santana and Garza trades will live on.......
And on and on and on and on……………..
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Nov 23, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Santana was very stupid, because he gave no weight to the possibility of the 2008
Twins contending. Garza for Delmon Young wasn’t as clear cut at the time. It looks pretty bad now of course.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was Garza and Jason Bartlett
for Young and Brendan Harris. Well, there were also a couple of relievers thrown in.
The Bartlett-for-Harris bit looks every bit as bad as the Garza-for-Young part does now.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 23, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder whether they could have gotten Zobrist instead of Harris
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2009 4:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you think Bill Smith looks dumb?
his team tends to make the playoffs all the time, he’s gotta be doing something right.
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's called "parachuting into a seat vacated by a quality GM who had an excellent farm system"
See Colletti, Ned
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
by Daniel777 on Nov 25, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His team is located in the second-worst division in baseball
Kinda easy to make the playoffs when putting a merely league-average roster on the field is good enough.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 25, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cust value
Its not very high since teams know he might not be tendered a contract. That being said Beane will only trade him to Ms or rangers if he gets something good in the trade. Look for a back up player or a buy low starter for him. Maybe from the Mets a Daniel Murphy if we package in another player like everidge.
by Arcman on Nov 23, 2009 5:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"How about Cust for Murphy?"
“No go. But throw in a 26 year old rookie who can’t field and just hit .224 in a callup and we’re on.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 23, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I could see Murphy being traded
he is a 3B with no chance of ever playing there because of David Wright and the Mets don’t want him LF or 1B again. Cust is a 25HR .330 OBP guy, you should be able to fool someone into taking him.
by Jessse on Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, his OBP has NEVER been below .350 in his career
But OK.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 24, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Cust had a .399 2nd half of 09 OBP
far from .330
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job on possible trades but why does everyone think Cust can play 1B?
Him playing anywhere near the infield sounds like a bad idea.
by Seb on Nov 23, 2009 9:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The problem here with Cust is
that people are acting like a trade is going to happen instead of a non-tender, which it isnt. The non-tender looks more probable to happen by the second, a trade would be icing, as we would get something instead of nothing.
So, that being said, I’d trade JJ Cust anywhere that would net us anything, as the other option is we set him free and get nothing.
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You just said he had a .399 OBP in the second half of last year.
Why would you nontender a guy who had an .825 OPS in the second half? It just makes no sense.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think the most likely scenario is that
the A’s don’t non-tender Cust, they settle instead of going to arbitration (the A’s almost never go to arbitration with a player), and Cust is the A’s DH Opening Day, making somewhere in the neighborhood of $2.5-3.5 mil.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GET YOUR LOGIC AND REASON OUT OF HERE.
CUST IS GOING TO BE TRADED FOR DAVID PRICE AND BEN ZOBRIST
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, bad move.
The A’s would be “buying high” on Zobrist and that’s never a good idea.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But they'd be buying low on Price
so it evens out!
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by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'M soled!!!!11
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by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, maybe this trade stuff *IS* pretty easy.
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by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, turns out you can just
add up a bunch of players you don’t want until they add up to a player you want.
For example, Patterson, E-Gon, Casilla, and Buck aren’t enough to land you Ryan Zimmerman, so you add in Powell and Everidge and you’re there.
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by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man that's awesome!
We should do that more!
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by mikev on Nov 25, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Until we run out of bad players
I’m kidding — we’ll never run out of bad players!
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by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we somehow add a fully paid A Rod to the Tampa Bay trade?
I mean, we don’t need to involve the Yankees or anything, that can be done right? Right???
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by DMOAS on Nov 25, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we do have to inform the Yankees, though.
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by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure we can find a guy named Alex rodriguez
to play for the A’s
by Future Ed on Nov 25, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You’d think with all the money and all the star players they have they wouldn’t notice when a little bit of it went missing.
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by DMOAS on Nov 25, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but anything within the 30' radius of Jeter's aura
is bound to be noticed.
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by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was really hoping God's Puppy's Aura
would distract them while we slipped in and stole him. But maybe Jeter really is that good.
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by DMOAS on Nov 26, 2009 6:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you have to pay him $6MM
and JI
JIM THOME is available for say, $2MM, you cut Cust loose and spend the money somewhere else, as you can pay less to get more. Cust is of no value as an OF and DH is the easiest spot to fill. With the falling FA market there’s going to be better hitters out there for less money. For example, what kind of odds do you give Carlos Delgado having a better OPS than Cust in 2010? There’s an extremely strong chance Delgado will be making less money than JJ Cust, so then you nontender Cust.
ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I can not look at this thread for a couple hours and then see Nico’s post where he says they can just battle him in arby and pay him $3MM, in which case, no, you do not nontender an 825 OPS hitter who makes $3MM, well you can, it just might not turn out very well.
by PL78 on Nov 25, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect that neither Delgado nor Thome
will be a significantly better hitter than Cust in 2010.
More important, I think that Cust is far more likely to stay healthy for the entire year.
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by iglew on Nov 25, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Delgado has "F. Thomas 2006" potential
He’s a really good hitter. But you don’t get the reward without the risk.
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by Nico on Nov 25, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he is
2010 isn’t the gambling year, we just don’t have the team as a whole to really back up “going for it” in the sense we were in ’06.
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by DMOAS on Nov 26, 2009 6:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case you can trade him on July 31
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 26, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he agrees to a contract which allows you to do that
I dunno about anyone else, but I’m not nontendering Jack Cust on spec that someone will sign up for a contract which is highly likely to see him moved midseason.
It also needs to be noted that DHs are very difficult to move midseason because there are only half the number of contending teams that they can potentially be traded to.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 26, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"2010 isn’t the gambling year"
This is an interesting statement. In this context (signing old bats that might rebound hoping to find a Jaha/Thomas) I will absolutely agree with you.
However, I do believe that the A’s should gamble and gamble a lot in 2010. I think Dallas McPherson is a perfect example of the type of gamble the A’s should make. Gamble on the players you have—Cunningham, Buck, Barton, etc. See if you can land a former top prospect for cheap in a trade (i.e. Brandon Wood)—but cheap is the key word, spare parts and replaceable players. And then pick up some lottery tickets in the international waters—Arguelles, Chapman, Mateo, any combination of the 3 and then add some more.
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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 27, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Even if you accept the idea that wins are less important in a non-contending year (which I basically don’t), it still doesn’t follow that you don’t take gambles in a down year. You just take different kinds of gambles.
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by iglew on Nov 27, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Being entirely respectful, I’m not sure what you’re saying here. Could you clarify your conclusion of the “different kinds of gambles” you think the A’s should make?
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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 27, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was agreeing with you.
I like gambles like Dallas MacPherson.
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by iglew on Nov 27, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Got it. I just wasn’t sure what the end conclusion was. You and I are in agreement. As I said, I was simply asking for clarification.
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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 27, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The context for my comment was in regard to Nico’s statement that “you don’t get the reward without the risk”. I have absolutely no problem with the A’s taking chances on guys who could potentially be apart of their future, in fact, if they don’t they’re not doing their job (basically like the first half of last year). Delgado has no value to the A’s even if he does succeed. Thomas and the Giambi’s of the world are the same in ’10. The next Cust or McPherson, nothing wrong with seeing what happens there.
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by DMOAS on Nov 29, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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