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Hey, folks. The CVS/Food Bank event was awesome -- the Food Bank had hoped to collect somewhere between 200-350 pounds from our location, but our charming and articulate kids collected 707 pounds. 67MARQUEZ, gigglingone, and Wes7 showed up to lend their support as well as their cans. I woke up sick Saturday morning and went to bed sicker, which is why I'm crapping out and not writing a new post today.
Dallas McPherson. The next Jack Cust or just another failed journeyman? jeffro offers a snapshot of the A's latest acquisition:
Dallas is a coming to Oakland.
Dude has raked in the minor leagues, but not done so hot in the bigs.
Not so sure about his glove work. Those UZR numbers in the link above seem to swing a bunch though he is a total 10.2 at 3B.
What does AN think? I kind of like the low risk potential high reward.
Between McPherson, Patterson, Everidge, etc. (I refuse to write Chavez off, it tugs at me heart strings so) it seems this is the plan.
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Yay.
Another 3B with back issues. At least Dallas don’t cost an 8 figure salary.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I like it
DMac is exactly the type of lottery ticket rebuilding teams should go for. Probably the same expected value but a lot higher upside than Kennedy and cheaper.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I want to hear Ken call a . . .
Dallas to Dallas putout!
"Get heavy!" - Kotsay
by OaklandInvader on Nov 22, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions
One of them has to get a girlfriend
named Debbie
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
What if they share the same gf?
Debbie does . . .
Dallases?
Dallai?
???
"Get heavy!" - Kotsay
by OaklandInvader on Nov 22, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Debbie gets Dallased?
That might be more on the three-way front.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Nov 22, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
you meant, Dallassed, i think.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Dallas Schmallas!
We had Huston. We already have a Dallas.
When is this club gonna sign San Antonio Smith? That’s what I wanna know!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
After Antonio Perez, I don't want this SA Smith character.
I also don’t want Austin Romine or Odessa Cleveland.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
He can both have upside and want beltre
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 22, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions
True that
Though I think this is as clear a signal as any that even the faintest glimmer of Beltre hope is pure folly at this point.
He's kinda like Jack Cust at 3b
AAA Journeyman with good minor league numbers and not-so-good major league numbers.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions
well, that wasn't supposed to be a reference to his defense
but rather his journeyman-ness.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
+100
for ‘creativity points’
journeyman-ness! Awesome!
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 22, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
I think you mean "journeymanhood"
though I suppose that could mean something else…
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
unless you wanna get DallAssed.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 22, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Someone with photoshop abilities
could subtly alter Steve’s right middle finger there.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Steve Perry hates you.

No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 22, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
is that a finger
or a pen is blue?
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
I grabbed the fingernail pixels from his index finger on his other hand.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
OK, I get the Journey part
But there is no “man” or “manhood” in that pic.
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
I don't.
Ever been to a bar when “Don’t Stop Believin’” comes on? Every woman and her taco bell chihuahua dog belt that at the top of their lungs.
Oh who am I kidding…that’s me too.
I LOVE JOURNEY!
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
It's one of the few Glee songs that I actually enjoyed.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
Boras really ruined this guys career.
He asked for ridiculous amounts of money to sign this guy when he was a minor league free agent, instead of letting Dallas go to a team that would have given him a chance to play everyday and work out his problems. He ended up costing D-Mac more money in the longrun at the expense of the short run.
Now he’s 29…wasted opportunities of greed I suppose.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
Holding out for more money doesn't mean he's greedy...
It was a business decision that didn’t work out.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Po-tay-to... po-tah-to.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
potatoe.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 22, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
A teleprompter could have saved the former veep from that gaff.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Let's call the whole thing off.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Nov 22, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
aGREED!
It’s seems to always be funny until the CGVing behavior begins to cut the other way.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe a CGV 20 years ago....
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 22, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
there's a "Y" in there somewhere.
And I have a special place in my heart for Danny boy.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
+298374
Why is it that when employees make business decisions they think will get them more money, they’re “greedy,” but when employers do it, it’s just a matter of course?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why is it that anyone or any entity is labeled as greedy when privately-owned property is being transacted?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the word, in economic terms,
just means that the “greedy” person is seeking dollars which have a relatively low marginal utility for that person relative to some baseline (the middle-class, or the “reasonable man,” or whatever).
Which is fine. It’s just a word. The problem is using it to characterize players and not owners, when the marginal utility of a dollar to a player is clearly higher than the marginal utility of that dollar to an owner.
Depending on where you set your baseline, one could say either:
1. All players and all owners are greedy,
2. Some players and all owners are greedy (my viewpoint),
3. No players but all owners are greedy,
4. No players but some owners are greedy, or
5. Nobody at all in baseball is greedy.
There is no place one can put that baseline which leads to the popularly-held conclusion that some players and no owners are greedy.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There is collusion
Twice, the owners were accused of collusion, and twice they had to pay up. From what I’m reading, we’re about to head into a third time. The players are now arguing that owners are pocketing a goodly portion of their MLB shares, rather than putting it into player salary. And, of course, attendance this year was down - partly due to the recession but also due to the outrageous prices for seats around the league - I once did the math, and for the price of one ticket in one quality seat at one A’s game when Oakland was in New York in the spring, two people could fly to Oakland, have pretty much the same seat, plus stay in a hotel and eat meals, for all three games in August. And the Oakland seats were more expensive than they used to be.
The owners pleading poverty - nah,, I don’t think so.
Hmm
The problem is using it to characterize players and not owners, when the marginal utility of a dollar to a player is clearly higher than the marginal utility of that dollar to an owner.
It appears that way. However, for a player, every bit of salary minus the amount they pay in taxes and fork over to their agents is pure economic profit. The marginal utility of each one of those additional dollars past a certain amount drops precipitously.
In a business venture, the revenue that is earned is not economic profit. Many times there are multiple owners each getting a cut and only after all expenses [labor, PP&E, taxes, interest on loans, etc.] are paid. The business takes risks and the income or net profits to the owners very greatly from year-to-year. Do you even know how much the Athletics’ ownership has profitted year-over-year from just baseball operations and through the value increase/decrease of the franchise? I’d be interested to see who comes out ahead; Eric Chavez or Athletics’ ownership. We then could talk marginal utility.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Athletics Ownership, in the long run
Eric Chavez, or any baseball player, has a small window of opportunity to make big bucks, an opportunity that - barring a long-term contract such as Chavez has - could disappear instantly with one play in the field. Lewis Wolff and John Fisher, for example, will own the club for as long as they like, and then sell it at a profit. Chavez, when this contract ends (and barring a huge comeback year in 2010), will most likely never make half a million dollars a year, let alone a million, five million or ten million. The situation of a pro athlete is precarious, the situation of a team owner is not.
Do you know the five-year (or 10-year) profitibility of this club?
And do you know how much the organization has increased in value over the same five years?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
I don't
but I would say probably quite a bit.
Sorry, but I don’t have sympathy for either Lewis Wolff - who, after all, spent the past two years tellling all of us in the north end of the Bay Area to fuck off - or John Fisher. These guys bought the team to make a profit. Wolff is attempting, via his construction schemes, to make a lot of money off being the face of the A’s. Fisher is a businessman. I mean, I love baseball, but by and large, I’ve found it to be extremely venal. The A’s, as opposed to the Steinbrenner cubs, at least allow you to bring your own food into the Coliseum, instead of having to eat the overpriced stuff they sell on site. But closing off the third deck, constantly complaining about lack of support, some of the cheapest, tackiest and poorest marketing campaigns around? Sorry, no sympathy.
by richwol1 on Nov 22, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what you're missing
is that income from labor becomes capital. If Eric Chavez has saved $10 million (and unless he gets into a Frank Thomas situation he probably has a lot more than that), given competent financial advice he should never have an annual income below $500,000 again and his capital pool should grow every year until the estate tax hits his heirs.
by vk on Nov 22, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Having savings or investments as a non-owner is good.
And even a little fractional ownership via stock holding isn’t a bad thing as long as it isn’t excessive [defined by outsiders]. But, when a business has capital [and so do their fat-cat owners] it’s e-vil, I tell you!
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
It was my understanding
That the purpose of the distribution deal in Major League baseball was so that teams would have enough money to spend on free agents and development and the like, and not pocket the cash. According to some sources, we’re about to see a collusion suit the likes of which, well, we have seen in the past. And we could well have a baseball strike like the one in 1994 over owner greed.
That’s got nothing to do with Chavez or any other player.
by richwol1 on Nov 22, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I seriously doubt that
There’s really no grounds for collusion nor do I see, based on the money these guys are making compared to ’94, being willing to walk away from that. Just seems improbable.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
You haven't studied history
And you haven’t been keeping up with articles on the current state of labor relations in Major League Baseball.
After 1981, it seemed impossible that professional baseball would shoot itself in the foot with another season-destroying strike. But it did. After the first collusion settlement, you’d think the owners wouldn’t collude again. But they did. The fact that Bobby Abreu - Bobby Abreu, for Chrissake -- couldn’t get a job last winter until the last minute, and settled for peanuts. The fact that Adam Dunn couldn’t get a job and also settled for peanuts. Yes, the recession hit hard, but that didn’t affect the media contracts, which were all in effect long before the stock market collapsed. There may have been colllusion, there may not have been - but when you look at the last minute one-year deals signed just before spring training, it does look pretty suspicious.
So when a speculation bubble breaks
that’s collusion?
What about the fact that [insert name here] couldn’t sell his house for $700,000 last winter and had to settle for peanuts? You’d think the real estate agents wouldn’t collude again. But they did.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Abreu was 34yo OF in his walk year
a year where there were other bats on the FA market and many young guys coming up getting shots to fill positions. In fact, look at what some on AN thought of the Abreu signing at the time.
As for Dunn: did he really sign for peanuts? Or did he go from a 3/31 [‘06-’08] to a 2/20 [‘09/’10] during a period where the supply of good stick, no glove OF had spiked in a bad economy?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 4:21 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, the major reason why I (can't speak for anyone else)
thought Abreu was worse than Giambi as a signing is that he cost more money for performance in the same range.
Both of them would have gotten multi-year, eight figure contracts before 2009. I mean, in the 2008 offseason, if you told me he was only going to get paid 3.5M plus incentives more than Emil Brown, I’d have called you a loony for signing Emil Brown instead.
Adam Dunn’s earlier deal was signed before he reached free agency. It cannot be analogized to a post-free-agency contract.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Where was the competition for these players?
Most teams that could afford to take on a big salaried player, didn’t need these players. Those that could, had cheaper alternatives available. As LowcountryJoe points out, there’s age factors, not mention defensive issues with these guys. As I recall, no one had a real need for an expensive DH with plenty to go around. The game as a whole seems to be changing as well, prospects have a lot more value than they did and part of utilizing that value is actually giving them a chance to play. I’m not saying the Owners aren’t dumb enough to try it again. I’m not saying the Players aren’t dumb enough to walk again. What I am saying is that I just don’t see it happening. The collusion argument is weak at best. And the players are making significantly more on the whole now than they were back in the mid-90s and those numbers still going up on the whole. Not only would that make it difficult for the players to strike because of the significant losses they’d take, but it also helps to disprove collusion allegations.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 23, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This touches on a good point.
It has become a recent for financially able teams to sign the players they want/need to contract extensions before they even get to free agency, thus reducing their need to go shop for the highest price player.
It may reduce the supply of players available, but on the flip side it also reduces the supply of teams with the financial means and/or desire to participate in FA bidding because they’ve been pro-active and already taken care of their needs.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
As has been proven with the housing market...
…markets that historically continually rise are NOT guaranteed to always do so. And merely having money available from media contracts does not necessarily mean that team’s aren’t feeling financial constraints from other areas.
It could be collusion, but this time the evidence suggests otherwise. I believe it’s more of a natural correcting of the market where a player will have to be truly exceptional to continue to get the big bucks, instead of just any relatively marginal live body with a FA status.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
by UncleLeo on Nov 23, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This is my view as well.
You express it much more clearly and more than I did in my unhelpful sarcastic post above.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
So,
That the purpose of the distribution deal in Major League baseball was so that teams would have enough money to spend on free agents and development and the like, and not pocket the cash.
no one team can retain any profit at all? Can the owners at least pay themselves a salary or is that out of the question, too?
According to some sources, we’re about to see a collusion suit the likes of which, well, we have seen in the past.
And it’ll probably be sa successful suit in which Barry Bonds’name will come up. When the owners suggest that Bonds’ behavior and his personality would be a negative draw at the gate [because sanctimonious fans don’t like some forms of cheating] it will not fly. It’ll be a slam dunk case and the owners will cough up the dough for damages.
And we could well have a baseball strike like the one in 1994 over owner greed.
Because it’s always the owners fault! I wish that someone could define the cut off point between ‘greed’ and ‘non-greed’.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 4:35 AM PST up reply actions
Well, the owners are ALL greedy, everybody knows that.
(insert eye roll here)
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
by UncleLeo on Nov 23, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As I said, you can define the cutoff point between greed and non-greed wherever you want to
Nonetheless, it is not possible to define it in such a way that players are greedy and owners are not greedy.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
The same holds equally true in reverse.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
No, it does not, unless your cutoff is exceptionally low
If you define greed as “continued avidity despite possessing $10M or more in assets,” most MLB players are not greedy, whereas all owners are.
If you define it at $500M in assets, essentially all players are not greedy but some owners are.
I suppose if you defined it at $100,000 in assets, then basically all players and owners would be greedy. But that’s ridiculous.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
The fatal flaw in your position...
…is in attempting to place a hard benchmark that applies equally to all people and situations.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Not even when a club is losing money?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
That would have to be proven
As would collusion. I’m actually surprised that so many people here, without having any books open to any of them, are making pronouncements about whether collusion existed last year or not.
All I’m saying is that the players union has opened the door to charges of collusion, that the owners have colluded twice before, and that salaries were extremely repressed last year, with the owners crying poverty.
I don’t draw any conclusions. The situation is probably analogous to 1994 - a pox on both their houses - as Paul Thomas suggests.
I must have misunderstood.
I thought you were drawing a conclusion. And I thought others were only saying that the conclusion was unsupportable, not that it was provably false.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Misleading Headline
…on one of my posts. But in all my posts, I talk about the charge of collusion, and cite two earlier charges that proved true. It’s possible the owners are telling the truth, but they don’t have a very good track record. In fact, my feeling has been that even when the owners have presented good cases in several areas, they’ve gone and undercut them by stupid actions and comments. These guys are not the brightest bulbs on this planet.
Can collusion even be proven?
“Proven”, in the strict definition of the term? I don’t think so. Not without video or audio of overt plans and agreements, etc. The best anyone can do is compile evidence and let an arbiter judge from there. Besides, the circumstances now are far different from the other instances.
As far as the union claiming collusion… phfft! That’s worth a belly laugh. The player’s union is all about being combative and doing this sort of thing at the drop of a hat. Sorry, but it’s their job, so to speak. Hardly unbiased or objective.
Personally… based on how ‘collusion’ is usually defined… I see the players union as nothing more than a collection of independent contractors “colluding” against their potential clients…. the only difference being it’s not secretive, yet it has the same effect of manipulating prices, limiting competition, etc. Would it be as equally acceptable if the teams “unionized” and put everything out in the open?
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
by UncleLeo on Nov 23, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No
There’s this little problem of, you know, federal law. People made the judgment, a long time ago, that allowing employees to collaborate and not allowing employers to collaborate was the best thing for society.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
A couple points...
1) Yes, I know federal law in this regard. I wasn’t spouting federal law, I was opining the similarities… regardless of the rationalizations behind how and why one is deemed good and the other is deemed bad. Which brings us to…
2) Not everything done in the name of “best of society” really is. Not saying this particular scenario isn’t… it may or may not be… but our legal system isn’t anything if not flawed.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
by UncleLeo on Nov 23, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well expressed
2) Not everything done in the name of "best of society" really is.
SciFi author, Robert Heinlein, also stated this well: What I fear most are affirmative actions of sober and well-intentioned men, granting to government powers to do something that appears to need doing.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
This has clearly reached the level at which it is excessively off topic
so, I’m going to have to terminate my end of the argument here.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Dude, this portion of the thread...
…hasn’t been on-topic for a day-and-a-half. LOL!!!
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Shrug
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Reading over the comments to see how it got here...
…it’s CLEAR that the those complaining about this being off-topic had NOTHING to do with it.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 24, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Who's complaining?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
thanks, Lenny Dykstra, for the analysis
right out of your magazine for athletes, which should instruct those athletes getting big bucks, what to do to grow it grow it grow it!!
……………..
no offense, vk…just having fun, contrasting your sound ideas and the bk of Mr. “Nails”.
"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw
by One won lost won on Nov 23, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you think it's clear that the marginal utility
of a dollar to a player is higher than the marginal utility of a dollar to the team owner?
I have no firm conclusion on this, but my first thought is that an owner has plenty of business ventures going on (including the team) and has numerous useful ways to invest that dollar. The player, on the other hand, may well have just his family and personal life satisfaction to try to improve, and he’s already way beyond the level at which greater income correlates to greater personal happiness.
Thus the owner has more use for more dollars than the player does.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
The reason why I believe SOME players are greedy in some sense
is that they are indeed seeking out money in a situation in which that money does not correlate to personal happiness. (This is very much not the case for the majority of MLB players, however. Most of them are working for fairly low wages compared to what the superstars make.)
ALL the owners are in that camp, though. It’s just not possible to even be a baseball owner without already being at the point where more money does you little good from a utility standpoint. (If baseball had publicly owned teams, this would not be the case, of course.)
I’m not really sure where the “use value” of more business ops is coming from here. The purpose of businesses is 1. to make yet more money, and 2. to amass power or fame. Both of those are species of greed (we talk about people being “power-hungry” plenty, too). The only difference is what particular course their avidity is following.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Ah, I get it now.
You were separating the owner from the team.
The initial discussion was contrasting individual employees with businesses, so I assumed that in a contract situation where the team is trying to chisel another $1 million out of a player we would count that as $1 million for the team, which does have more use for it than the player does. If you’re assuming the $1 million goes directly to the owner’s pocket, then OK I agree.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
How could you possibly know this?
The reason why I believe SOME players are greedy in some sense is that they are indeed seeking out money in a situation in which that money does not correlate to personal happiness.
How do you know when a maximum level of satisfaction at a level of compensation is reached. Some players have stated that the amount of money they bargain for is a signal of respect. For some egomaniacs [and many regular people, too], respect correlates to happiness. In fact, just about anything positive IS ‘utility’ — the economic term you busted out earlier. And how would you know that some players don’t share their money with family or even their home-town communities? Latin-American players do this kind of thing all the time. Being celebrated brings them happiness, does it not? Don’t you celebrate community involvement and giving by players?
But even if you take out the altruistic nature of players giving back directly, they’re still giving no matter what. If players, formed into a team, can excite you enough to get you to spend your money on the product, they are bringing you satisfaction and GIVING you something to be happy about. And if it’s the owners who are assembling these teams of players that you can watch and take pleasure in, they’re giving, too. So, unless you’re willing to spend up to the point where your cost is exactly equal to the amount of pleasure/happiness/utility that you derive from your watching of games, you are being ‘greedy’ according to your own definition, are you not?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 4:47 AM PST up reply actions
You're replying to Paul, but I'm the one that
raised the issue. When I refer to the “the level at which greater income correlates to greater personal happiness” I am speaking generally, not specifically. I don’t presume to know any individual’s exact situation. But just as we do with baseball statistics, we can examine data of large populations and make reasonable conclusions about people in general. The relationship of income to happiness is much studied. Daniel Gilbert’s findings, discussed in his Stumbling on Happiness, are widely quoted, for instance.
I assume Paul understood what I meant and also meant it generally not specifically.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I replied to Paul because his world view seems to side with labor over owners
Why side with any of them? Or, rather, why not side with both of them and see that a voluntary arrangement took place with both sides seeing value?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
The value of additional dollars is diminishing, not zero
Yes, clearly SOME kind of utility is gained from a guy’s billionth dollar, even if it’s only, as you say, ego.
unless you’re willing to spend up to the point where your cost is exactly equal to the amount of pleasure/happiness/utility that you derive from your watching of games, you are being ‘greedy’ according to your own definition, are you not?
This is not my definition of greed. You just defined “profit.” Seeking profit is not necessarily greedy. A banana seller in Honduras who gets a Kiva loan to expand her business a little bit is not being greedy when she tries to increase her profits from 3 dollars a day to 4 dollars a day. Profit-seeking only becomes greed when someone already has large amounts of wealth.
I would add that, as far as I can tell, I do spend up to the point where my cost is equal to the pleasure/happiness/utility that I derive from watching games, assuming that you correctly count time spent watching advertising as an expenditure. I don’t think I “profit” from baseball.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Clearly the next step is to say...
…“There ought to be some kind of law against that!” once the amount become unconscionable to the populists at large.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
It's not clear at all.
I don’t speak for Paul, but I am more or less in agreement with him about the marginal utility of money (though I find the quibble over the definition of “greedy” a useless exercise in semantics), but I most certainly would not support a law against excess profit. So I for one do not think your “next step” logically follows.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I agree with the law of diminishing returns too...
I don’t speak for Paul, but I am more or less in agreement with him about the marginal utility of money
…so count me in.
(though I find the quibble over the definition of "greedy" a useless exercise in semantics),
That is why when I see people engaging in defining what greed is, I get pesky about where that cutoff point should be. I want people to be thinking about what they’re communicating — especially when emotions are what’s behind the communications.
[B]ut I most certainly would not support a law against excess profit. So I for one do not think your "next step" logically follows.
If you knew how many people would resort to the next step, it would probably alarm and surprise you.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
The "next step" is not a clear yes or no
situation. There are plenty of policy ideas that would fall somewhere in between — tweaking tax brackets and so forth. Like just about everyone, I have views that would fall somewhere between 0% and 100%.
But I think to air those views would take this discussion over the line CGV-wise.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
This is a shame, too.
But I think to air those views would take this discussion over the line CGV-wise.
Because this is a worthwhile discussion that brings no political figures or political parties (by name) into play. This is a philosophical discussion about liberty’s wrestle with a government-by-the-people; the same people that make moral judgments and wish to introduce those judgments as legislation. It is truly a pity that there are such thin skinned son-of-a-bitches that would squelch this form a communication even though it can be (and is) directly tied into the individual choices of MLB players and owners alike.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
It may be a shame, but
the CG is a good rule. There are certain topics which are prone to turning into shouting matches, even if they aren’t explicitly partisan per se. A line needs to be drawn somewhere. It’s not a matter of squelching debate. It’s a matter of courtesy to other readers who prefer not to get into a political debate here on AN but will feel strongly compelled to join in if certain hot-button issues are raised.
And it’s not like you can’t go debate it elsewhere if that’s what you desire.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
A rule that is selectively enforced is also problematic.
But let’s go back to what Paul wrote above: +298374
Why is it that when employees make business decisions they think will get them more money, they’re "greedy," but when employers do it, it’s just a matter of course?
Is that even accurate mainstream thinking or is this a carictature Paul errects like a strawman? And my reaction to it provoked Paul to write that a reasonable man’s some such or other… It’s entirely within the bounds to discuss it further until the marginal utility of doind so is exhausted. Some hot-button issues are worthy of discussion. I do not see why a discussion on fairness, justice, morals, and ethics in compensation/profits shouldn’t be as tolerated as much as witnessing an argument between which free agent signing is better — some of those are pretty hot-button as well [and maybe even more so].
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
It's not so much selectively enforced
as it’s an intentionally vague threshold requiring us to use judgment to identify. Each of us needs to consider when we think we’re crossing the line, and then in blatant cases the community and/or mods may be called upon to decide for us.
For me personally, we’re now at the line. I’m going no further. If you want to pursue it, you’ll have to find someone else to debate.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 23, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Good reply.
I get the CGV. It’s also a very generous process to posters who appoach and cross the line. I like how the whole thing emerges. Excellent advice as well.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I think we can all agree
TV Networks are GREEDY!!
It’s the only explanation for the long post-season, and chilly nightgame.
"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw
by One won lost won on Nov 23, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't even say greed was a bad thing, much less that there should be a law against it
The correct way to deal with the problem of diminishing marginal value of money is IMO through a steeply progressive tax structure. Most economic regulations become unnecessary once you actually have a reasonable tax system.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Bentham would be so proud of your tax stance.
What I can’t figure out is why you now won’t own up to suggesting that ‘greed’ isn’t a bad thing. Isn’t that the implication you wanted to leave us with earlier? If so, why run away from it now? In not, didn’t you realize that this was how it was taken?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
This is the second time that Jeremy Bentham has been mentioned in connection with something I wrote— in the last week.
My whole point on this thread is to argue that greed is a word which can be defined at a number of different baselines, and the implications of it (i.e. whether it’s good or bad) are very different depending on where you draw those lines.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Right!
And I just don’t agree with you on where those lines should be drawn, if they need to be drawn at all. Obviously our milages vary. I also think that your orginal post to the topic is absurd since most ‘reasonable’ people side with the perceivedn ‘little’ guy.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Not in baseball, they don't...
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Don't what?
Don’t side with the “little guy”, i.e. the players?
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Yes
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
The time last week doesn't appear on AN
Must have been someplace else where those topics are more appropriate not neccessarily more (or less [but who are we kidding here]) well received.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
It was on Beyond the Boxscore
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
And taxes should be a simple pct of gross revenues
Movie stars always take a percentage of the gross…
Why do other systems (like the IRS) take so long to catch on???
(Rhetorical….it wasn’t called “political economics” in the old days for nuthin’).
"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw
by One won lost won on Nov 23, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I can't tell if this is a serious question.
In case someone thinks it is, the answer is that the IRS is still wrestling with the problem that different types of businesses have vastly different ratios of expenses to gross earnings.
A service company might have $30 million gross earnings against $20 million expenses for a net profit of $10 million. A manufacturing company might have $100 million gross earnings against $90 million expenses for a net profit of $10 million.
Both companies are equally profitable, but the manufacturing company is totally fucked by any tax based on gross revenues.
You can make a similar example more imaginable for individuals. Suppose I’m a freelance writer. Maybe I gross $40,000 this year, and my expenses are fairly small. Suppose your business is to buy old sports cars, spiff them up, and sell them at a profit. If you’re going to match my ~$40,000 net income, you probably need to have gross sales of at least $250K.
That’s not to say it’s impossible. There are several states (including WA) with a business or franchise tax based on gross earnings, but they have to have a bunch of rules for credits and deductions to make it remotely fair, and even then it causes distortions and drives certain types of business out of certain states.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
iglew, you didn't give the best example of disparity
Grocery stores make huge revenue and very little profit margin, so the tax on net is absurd.
You cannot have the same type of rules, or a straight-line increasing revenue equation, for every type of business. Some businesses that are very desirable may have a zero tax rate on gross revenues up to $40,000…say, like a freelance writer!
The problem with the system now is that giving tax breaks, modifying tax rules, etc., can never be fully understood politically, with the complexity of the rules, and it employs good and intelligent people in a needlessly expensive profession…tax accounting, when they could be doing something productive. Sure, you’d have to have tables of various “qualifying business and their rates”, but at least everyone can tell at a glance, what that business will pay in taxes….
…it won’t be hidden by a deduction for a vehicle weighing over 5000 lb., which triggers a savings completely unrelated to the use of the vehicle in the business….
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."-Plutarch
by One won lost won on Nov 27, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Too many fans forget that owners provide the very organized structure that we all benefit from...
…including the players.
…it’s the owners who are assembling these teams of players that you can watch and take pleasure in…
The alternative would be chaos.
Would a “player’s league” be better? First, it would probably fail… much like the Players League of 1890 failed in large part because they paid themselves too much. Second, it would turn the players into owners… and we can’t have their pure and unassailable reputations soiled like that.
Owners make for good “boogeymen”.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
by UncleLeo on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How about a structure with an ownership
of the entire league, MLB, as a megacorporation (like ExxonMobil) that can build megastructures in locations everywhere (stadiums).
The players are just in one big pool, and teams are assembled by blind picks from the pool of players. You’d never know when you’d jackpot or bust, year to year, and the salary structure would be irrelevant to team success.
Use the WAR system to grade out salaries.
"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw
by One won lost won on Nov 23, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone making a million dollars a year and is asking for more is, by definition, greedy (to me)
I’m not saying that they haven’t earned that right (though I find that questionable), I’m not saying they don’t deserve it (though, again I find that questionable), and I’m not saying it isn’t fair (which I don’t question as much). I’m just saying, a million dollar a year salary, regardless of the industry, is excessive and more than enough to live on. I don’t think everyone in the industry is intentionally greedy, but they’re greedy nonetheless. Having said that, I’d vote for both are greedy because I certainly don’t separate the owners from this same assessment.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
by DMOAS on Nov 23, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Gaffigan makes me want to kill puppies...
If I ever hear his f***ing routine on Hot Pockets ever again, the “psycho” switch in my head will irrevocably flip to the “on” position.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
reply fail, mayhaps?
Or maybe GS is VERY upset that Gaffigan is earning that much money…
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
This is why AN is the best ever
signing Dallas McPherson to a minor league deal
leads to
discussion of free agent worth
leads to
discussion of owner/player dynamics
leads to
discussion of economic theory and the morality of making money
leads to
Jim Gaffigan
by cityplANner on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I like cheesecake.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
It is a pie.
And I was replying to something later in the thread.
Don’t tell me hot pockets are pies too, because I don’t want to hear it!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
What about McDonald's pies?
Aren’t they pies in Hot Pocket form?
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Get him!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 24, 2009 5:40 AM PST up reply actions
I'm wondering what prompted this, but I agree with the sentiment.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
I think this was supposed to be a replay to me
way down there.
You have restored my faith, GS. For a moment there I was worried that I actually liked a comedian that you CC-loving snarkers also like, and that just seemed wrong. Now that I know you hate him, all is right in the universe again. <squeaky voice>Hot pockets!</squeaky voice>
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Uh, or maybe a "reply"
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I'm against instant reply,
even if you’re a homer.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
(I like him, too, though)
(and I love SP)
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe Dallas has a Cantu like year.
Fla picked him up off the scrapheap and worked out.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
There's some positive thinking
I couldn’t believe Florida when they picked up Cantu. The guy didn’t impress at all by then, and well he fooled a ton of people.
"It is the mark of a truly intelligent person to be moved by statistics. " GB Shaw
by One won lost won on Nov 23, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
It's because he wore his hat so weird.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
as crazy as that sounds at first blush
you may actually have hit upon a significant fact!
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."-Plutarch
by One won lost won on Nov 24, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Chavez and Crede are good ...
comparatives to McPherson. You just don’t come back from back issues. He’s already missed two entire seasons due to back issues. I’m skeptical, but I hope it works out in the A’s favor. Sounds like another DH candidate to me.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions
Another DH candidate...
…minus a proven major league bat…
by OaklandSi on Nov 22, 2009 4:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Low cost move but wait
Just watch the A’s sign a good starter after the 1st of the year. Any starter wanting a comeback would love to pitch in Oakland with Curt Young as their pitching coach. Good way for a Sheet or Mulder to comeback in the best ball park for a pitcher. I am hoping its innings eater Looper who could regain his numbers for a FA try in 2011.
His value will obviously depend on his health.
If he’s healthy, track records show he’s going to be at least a league average hitter at 3B. His defense is hard to project—UZR has given him excellent numbers over his career: +10.2/150 is incredible. But TotalZone has him about average in the minors, and back injuries I’m sure can take a big toll on one’s range.
Personally, this move excites me, because he’s the sort of guy I root for, I look forward to seeing how this plays out.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
When I see his major league hitting numbers,
they’re a lot better than I thought. They look dreadful at a glance because the OBP starts with a “2” but when you factor in the slugging and look at the fact that he wasn’t performing at full health or regular playing time, they’re not that bad.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Agreed.
His last extended showing in the majors, he was a roughly league average hitter, and I think it’s alright to assume that he would improve upon that line.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Nov 22, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
please be better than Cha-Han-dy
As long as he’s unpredictable on the upside, that gives me hope. Did that make sense?
Please, Mr. McP, be better than Hanahan on offense, Kennedy on defense, and Chavez on attendance. Is that too much to ask?
by rollierollieOxenfree on Nov 22, 2009 12:13 PM PST reply actions
If he does those things...
…he will be a huge success.
And remember he’s just a placeholder for Wallace, even if he stinks we can always either sign another one of these types or if Wallace is ready then just get him up here.
If McPherson succeeds,
It’s relatively easy to push Wallace to 1B where his fielding issues aren’t as big a factor.
by eastbayexpat on Nov 22, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think all that will determine Wallace's position is his own progress
I think signing McPherson was a good move, but if he’s healthy and playing well halfway through the season and Wallace looks MLB ready at 3B, my bet is McPherson getting traded. I think this signing gives the A’s flexibility with some potential upside they may or may not pan out.
If Dallas 2 works, a) were now going to be a very Texas friendly club and b) we’re actually going to have a third basemen who can play again. I don’t want mess with that, Barton hasn’t exactly had enough chances to qualify him as sucky yet, but I’d rather move him somewhere and put B Wall at 1b. And there is no way Wallace sticks anywhere, he still has bust probabilities too.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
ERASE that last sentence, that was diarrhea of the fingers.
I meant that there is no guarantee that wallace sticks anywhere.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks
At this point, why not Dallas McPherson?
Can't hurt, right?
It doesn’t even preclude someone like Beltre, although obviously it’s indicative of what you might call a “non-Beltre mindset.”
No downside here, so, yay.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Classic Beane value play
Very low risk, reasonable upside signing. If it works, you fill a big hole in the A’s infield and it doesn’t really prevent other moves from being made.
If it doesn’t, a little bit of lost cash and not even a big opportunity cost.
I like it.
Hasn't McP been to a few other clubs before this?
Off the top of my head, I want to say the Yanks and Marlins. So therefore their GM’s have made “Beane value plays” as well. As much as I love Beane, this should be a no brainer to any GM who needs a 3b. I’m just glad he wanted to sign with that A’s, probably there is huge possibility he can gain a starting 3b job.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
McP has never been a Yankee
He went ANA → FLO → SFG.
Not that it matters much to your point.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
gah, thanks!
I knew there were two teams, wasn’t sure on the one that wasn’t Florida. I guess Kung Fu Panda dispelled the need for McP in SF.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
They never had a chance to use him
He missed the whole season with more back issues.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Don't know what the majority of AN thinks
I guess time will tell but the poll and comments so far echo your post. I like the low cost aspect. Another year of cost savings/seeing what develops/shed some more salary/seeing who else become availbable/a possibly improving economy should clear up uncertainties.
Dosen't hurt anyone
Basically camp fodder. If he works out, great. Otherwise provides depth at AAA. But at age 29, and 3rd or 4th team, don’t hold your breath.
Likes very much
After McPherson got released a couple of times last year I thought he was done – because who wouldn’t want someone who has hit 40ish HRs twice in a year?
He strikes out too much, and his BB/K isn’t very sexy, but he has the potential to be the Carlos Pena of ’10. Power! pew pew pew.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
He reminds me a little of Cust and a little of Branyan
and you could do worse than either — the question is whether he’s a 3Bman or a DH. Branyan is not really a 3Bman and Cust sure ain’t!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Does this put the first nail in Cust's coffin?
McPherson and Glaus for $2 mil-ish total>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cust
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
I don't think so
The A’s don’t have enough good hitters. They’re not going to move Cust because “sure thing” McPherson is in town.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The 40 man is now full, right?
So any other additions will require that someone be removed by trade or DFA?
That was filled by McPherson
Best guess for the next two to go: Dana Eveland and Santiago Casilla. Bye bye.
Yay and woo hoo!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
nope McPherson is a NRI...
Non Roster Invitee, not on 40-man roster
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
stands at 39
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
hit me!
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 22, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Your Bengals got hit today Bloomy!
I still can’t believe my Raiders won but since the Steelers lost your Bengals are still in control of the AFC North.
Was that your best shot?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 22, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hey I'm not taking a shot at Bloom
his team is still in first place while my team is in last place besides he’s already threatened to kill my sock puppet so me and Mr. Hand don’t want to upset him.
That was a painful last 45 seconds.
Kudos to you and yours. You proved best. Enjoy.
Apparently, Marvin Lewis suffers from Steve Mariucci-itis.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 22, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
meh,
He’s also caught two game-winning TDs. Caldwell’s usually reliable.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
I'm more worried about the rookie jackass
nickel corner that allowed Bruce Gradkowski to pick him apart on that final drive.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
With your rhythm stick?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Hit me with your rhythm stick
I’m six feet tall and five feet thick.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 22, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Minor League contract means he doesn't have to be on the 40 man, right?
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
correct ... see above NRI
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
OT -- things that make you glad Beane is your GM
The Cubs just signed John Grabow to a 2 year, $7.5million deal. That would be reliever John Grabow who walked 40 batters in 72 innings last season and has a career ERA of 4.03, career WHIP of 1.44.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 22, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I'll take waiver claim Breslow, any day of the week...
over Grabow
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
How soon we forget
Mike Holtz. Mike Magnante. Arthur Rhodes. Our GM isn’t above overpaying for lefty relievers.
We didn't pay Holtz or Magnante $3.75million/year
and Rhodes was signed only out of desperation, when Foulke, Guardado, and Hawkins all wouldn’t sign.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Whatever they got paid was too much
And paying big bucks to your 4th choice is almost never a good idea.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 22, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well, for closer it was Rhodes or Mecir
And Mecir “closing” meant he wasn’t setting up and your set up man was…Rincon? Rhodes was a quality reliever and could have succeeded at closer. He didn’t.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
fear mecir!!!!
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
I always did!
Mecir actually had a window of being a very good pitcher whose fastball came in at 93MPH. 2003 on, however, was not part of that window.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He got overused towards the end of his stint
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
i like being used.
i mean…ahem.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
He also just aged
He was a pitcher who, with his screwball, could be excellent with a 90+ fastball but not so much with a mid-80s fastball.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yep
I’m not actually sure I had a point in my comment, other than him being overused. He was certainly in the decline and physically just unable to do what he used to do. He definitely wasn’t good and likely wouldn’t have been regardless of how often he was used for reasons which you’ve clearly pointed out. Definitely something to be afraid of, when he came in to pitch. “Fun” how who was more afraid changed over the years.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I'm of the mindset that the less
we discuss TARE (much like gay-porn-mustachioed, limping, Dodger blue “heroes” who better not walk in front of my car), the better.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 22, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Arthur Rhodes and Gibson sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
but then comes Bloomie with a shovel and a saw
and no one ever sees that couple no more (pronounced “no maw”)
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Now, THAT'S poetry!
You hear that, Whitman?! You poseur.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I seem to remember that
“Flash” Gordon was the A’s top choice in the FA market that year, but the Yankees picked him up to their setup man in a surprise move early in the offseason, leaving Beane with either bad (Rhodes) or worse (Mecir).
Stoopid Yankees
by cityplANner on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Plus the Sawx stole our closer.
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by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
They really thought they were going to re-sign Foulke,
whom they offered more than they almost ever offer a reliever (a 4-year deal). Then when Foulke bailed at the last moment, they thought for sure they could sign “Stockton’s Eddie Guardado” (an A’s fan growing up) and when that fell through they went after LaTroy Hawkins and HE said no.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
IIRC, The Sox offered Foulke $1M more.
If true, then at least for him it really was all bout the money… as both teams were close in competitiveness and he seemed to like it here.
Would that place Foulke in the “greedy player” category?
Re: Rhodes, I thought he had the physical ‘stuff’ to be a closer, but lacked something in his mental make-up. He turned out to be better suited as a set-up man.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
I think Foulke probably planned to go to Boston all along,
and used Oakland to negotiate a better offer from the Red Sox. I agree about Rhodes, and I think Beane did too even at the time. It was a roll of the dice when all other options had been exhausted.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You could be right about Foulke.
Certainly wouldn’t be the first time that happened… to us or others.
Going a little OT, I still firmly believe that Giambi never… ever… had any intention of signing with the A’s, regardless what he said, and his sole purpose in even playing the game was to get a better contract from the Yankees.
I used to have a whole slew of articles & quotes to back that up, but have since lost track of them, and am too lazy to look them up again.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
My impression was that a no-trade clause
might have swayed him. But without it, we couldn’t sign him, and Billy would not concede that point.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
But he did in the end.
and Giambi still took the NY offer.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I guess Billy doesn't hold a grudge
He signed both guys again after these episodes.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
and we all see how that worked out :(
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I wasn't aware of that.
I thought the no-trade clause was never offered. Am I wrong? Is this established or just speculated?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
It was agreed to. Late in the negotions, but it was agreed to.
At one point, every demand Giambi made was agreed to by the A’s… including his no-trade clause… then he “changed his mind” and raised his dollar amount.
To me, once the demands on the table have been met, the deal is done. Only the formality of paperwork is left to do. If you want more money or something else, say so BEFORE all terms have been met.
This is why I have disliked Giambi ever since, and will always dislike him. This is also why I did get a little pleasure in the Yankees winning the WS this year… Giambi never got that ring, but many of his teammates did before he got there and after he left.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Thanks for setting me straight.
I found an Oct 23, 2001, AP article verifying that, too. The full article was hidden in a pay-site, but the essential no-trade-clause bit is in the lede. So I guess I learned something today.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
No prob.
Hell, I’m just glad my memory still works once in awhile.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
You have reawoken my Giambi hatred.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
I know it shouldn't bother me, and normally it wouldn't, but...
…in Giambi’s case it felt he lied to ME… and I will not get over that.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Right.
It wasn’t the stupid bit on Letterman. It was the fact that he got what he wanted and still bolted for NY.
I don’t care that the NTC wasn’t offered to him until the 11th hour — that’s the way negotiations work.
Oakland was his team. It was his town. We loved the guy, and he gave it up to go be a faceless cog in the Yankee machine.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
and then he came back to reclaim what was left of his soul,
but it was all gone.
Now he wanders the prairie highlands, pinch hitting for forgotten ghost teams of the dead…
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 24, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
If this wasn't so long, I'd have a new sigline.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 24, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
The Letterman thing didn't bother me. That was done in fun.
For me it was the serious aspects of the whole thing.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
I'm just glad I'm not a Cubs fan.
Cards for life!
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
I like!
Good, another option at third base. Very low risk and could work out good. It looks like the A’s will not be signing Adam Kennedy, Adrian Beltre, or someone else like that. We don’t need someone like Kennedy right know.
What they really need is a starting SS
who make Pennington an excellent utility INF. Someone like, I dunno…JJ Hardy. Grrrrrr…
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Hardy, har, har.
Lot’s of potential but showing signs that he’s regressed badly after a brief period of early success. Sounds sort of Crosbyesque to me.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 22, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Ewwww
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 22, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Do the Twins have an opening for Ball Boy?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Reading these post
You would think this is the A’s last move of the year. Wake up its just started. McPherson is just a insurance policy if they don’t get the player they realy want.
Amen....
also, i don’t think this move eliminates the possibility the A’s will sign Kennedy. He’s played 1B, 2B, 3B and some OF – not a bad utility guy to have on this team.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
What are we? The Angels?
Vlad’s on the market too…and Matthews Jr is on the block.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
and Lackey too :)
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take Vlad to replace Cust at DH
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Are we collecting bad backs?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 22, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Collect all 3.5!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
broke back?
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
mountin'?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Nico,
you kind of remind me of the writer for Waiter Rant, except its like Oakland A’s Rant…or maybe it’s the other way around. Or maybe I’m just spending way too much time on this site/reading.
And no, goats do not want their backs broken when they are mounted ;)
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Having looked up "Waiter Rant"
I’ve decided to take this as a compliment. Especially because I first read is as “Walter Rant” and thought “How funny could that be? People named Walter are rarely funny.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah, it was most definitely a compliment.
Note to self: Don’t name children or pet donkey Walter.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
His book is pretty awesome.
The Waiter’s.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
damnit, now i'm the one reading Walters.
someone get me a pint of gin, asap.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Kronkite
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
That annoying fucking puppet from that man who is so
decidedly not funny that Comedy Central gave him his own show?
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 22, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Boo
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
seriously?
You find him amusing?
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Dunham is great
His standup is some of the top standup I’ve seen. However, it’s gotten worse more recently. I’ve never been a big fan of Achmed for example. And his show hasn’t been that entertaining either. I had a similar experience with Demetri Martin.
But if we’re ranking comedians on standup alone, my list would be something like:
1. Martin
2. Dunham
3. Gaffigan
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Richard Pryor just called.
I can’t repeat here what he told me to tell you.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
Pryor's before my time
My ranking is of guys in the last 5 years or so. Otherwise Seinfeld, Chris Rock, and others would grace it.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
oh, wait a minute...
your Martin is Demertri?! Okay…
{slowly backs away}
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 AM PST up reply actions
I miss Mitch Hedberg.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Probably close
to what he told Eddiie Murphy to say to Cosby…
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
+ everything
Bad jokes are bad jokes, human speaker or puppet.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
That description could fit soooo many comedians.
“who is so decidedly not funny that Comedy Central gave him his own show”
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Even by Comedy Central standards,
this seems especially egregious. Then again, given your objections to most of their programming, maybe you should try it.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
I do like South Park.
Is he like South Park?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
wait, what?
I thought the snark is what bothered you?!
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
You really don't get it, do you?
Replace “Tom Lehrer” with “South Park”.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
and you think that's embodied in SP?
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions
The only reason I can almost tolerate Dunham
is because he is not Carlos Mencia or Frank Caliendo.
Actually, now that I’m thinking about it, he’s basically Mencia and Caliendo combined: a racist comedian with a gimmick. Yikes, thank god I don’t have tv anymore.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't mind Carlos Mencia.
He was the least annoying comic I remember from CC. I love Gaffigan. If he had a show on CC I will retract my earlier statement (which was already ridiculous hyperbole anyway).
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Walt Whitman is fairly amusing
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
"Leaves Of Grass," my ass!
Damn you, Walt Whitman!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
He stole a good chunk of his material from Lenny Bruce.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
didn't we all, m'boy,
didn’t we all?
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Still need utility player
I am not sold on Patterson. Counsell would be a good utility that can play all 3 positions and is a pain in the butt to get out.
Another good, low-risk move for Billy Beane. If McPherson gets on the big club in 2010 and contributes, Beane will move him at the deadline for more parts to stock the system. If McPherson can’t get it done, it only cost them the minimum to find out.
Meanwhile, across the bay, Brian Sabean is figuring out whom to overpay for this offseason
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 22, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions
Oh
I read that somewhere and love it. Forgot the quotations LOL
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 22, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions
My only thought on this is that now
we really must select Dallas Buck in the Rule 5 draft.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Yes, and then acquire John Buck from the Royals.
If we start going through the phone book we could probably find a Dallas Sweeney to go along with Matt and Mike signings, or a Dallas Brown (at which point you bring back Emil and Andrew, and promote Corey up to the bigs) and so on, but I’d really like to see a few people who could do it with their first and last names, say an Austin Crawford, a Dallas Arlington, or an Amarillo Galveston. This could get really interesting in the way that things that are confusing are also sometimes interesting.
"When you get that nice celebration coming in the dugout, and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, there's no better feeling than to have that done." -Matt Stairs
I remember the days when it was simple and
We only had four Marks and a Marco.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Didn't we have three Erics that same year?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
And all our relievers were left-handers named Mike.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
All the "Leftys" are gone.
As are the “Cys” and the “Rubes”.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Good times.
Clearly successful seasons are correlated with having clumps of players with the same first name. This is why I support the strategy of collecting Bretts and Dallases.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I prefer to think of it like "3 Men And A Baby"
I want “3 Bretts And A Rajai.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Did you know Dallas backwards is Sallad?!
Maybe we are going for health in 2010?
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
and an early round exit from the spelling bee.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Just trying to capture the spirit of A's times past
“My salad days. When I was green in judgment, cold gold in blood”
These were the happy days, the salad days as they say, and Ed felt that havin’ a critter was the next logical step. It was all she thought about. Her point was that there was too much love and beauty for just the two of us, and every day we kept a child out of the world was a day he might later regret having missed.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
wow...
even though it’s just a movie quote, I had never thought of it that way…
I always figured that every day I kept a child out of the world was another twenty bucks in my pocket!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Internal palindromes are an undervalued commodity.
We never should have given up Hannahan and Gallagher.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Hannahan? Na. Ah!
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
Hannahan? Nah,...
Is what I should have written.
Never attempt a palindrome on an empty stomach, is what my mother said to me
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
If Seahawks linebacker Lofa Tatupu
names his son “Agamemnon”, he’ll be the holy grail of internal palindromes.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Meh.
I see no downside to this signing in that it won’t cost much at all if it doesn’t work out… and who knows, maybe it just might… but please forgive my lack of excitement or enthusiasm.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Seems like this move will be of utterly no consequence
but it doesn’t hurt anything either.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
On a semi-related note
it appears that Mike Lowell is available for $6MM next year. Not a terrible price tag for a one-year rental, although I’m not certain what they’d want back player-wise.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
What's his injury situation?
I seem to recall a certain fragility
by eastbayexpat on Nov 23, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
I'm all for the Athletics getting in on some Lowell action...especially at that price
For no other reason than seeing a combined $18 million of two 3Bmen battle it out for the some 200 plate appearances they COULD provide.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I think we should get Lowell because
he costs half of what Chavez costs and is about half as injured. Then we re-sign Kennedy for $3million because he’s twice as healthy as Lowell. And then we actually play someone who costs $1.5million and is healthy (but sucks).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
But if we stockpile all the thirdbasemen, wouldn't that make Athletics' owners Crede?
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
That would Inge on a lot of factors.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
But I say the Mora the merrier.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Kinky
I’m glad we don’t just Glaus over issues like these.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Agreed!
This Schmidt really needs to be discussed.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Wanna Brett that next time this happens..
Nico will again Wade through and Molitor the discussion?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Damn, V, that's impressive you just Rolen out the names like that.
As for Nico’s ANtics, all I can Cey is that he’ll most certainly Hack his way in the next time this happens; as he must think that this Boggs us down.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be upset if Nico Nettles in our discussion
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Nov 23, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Aurilia'm not planning to much Longoria
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I am disappointed to find that
no one has yet made a version that says “Aurilia?”

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
No need to be disappointed, remain Chipper
Maybe it’s just that a name as rich as ‘Aurilia’ didn’t Cross someone’s mind.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Lave Cross has been totally forgotten.
Maybe he’d’a put up better stats if he’d’a hired a personal Traynor.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think enough people actually care about Aurilia to do that.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
You're the font guy
What font is the O RLY series in?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
google says
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Scheisse
It’s not available in the Lol Builder.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I don't think font match is essential.
Just pick any old roundish sans serif.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Most lolcat type stuff is usually in Impact, is it not?
White bold all-caps Impact, with a small black stroke.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
Jimmie Walker?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yes, that's the default for lolcats,
but not for the owl.
I see several on the list that would be in the spirit of Kabel. Trebuchet, for instance. Even Arial would be fine.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I'm not feelin' the Trebuchet
You’re gonna have to make it yourself…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Tahoma?
I went to the lolcat builder but couldn’t find the owl picture there. And I can’t find the picture unadorned with text anywhere else.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Oh, I found the original now, but
the picture has a copyright notice, and when I try to upload to LolCat Builder there’s a big fat notice that says respect copyrights.
Obviously said copyright has been infringed numerous times elsewhere, but it appears LolCat Builder wants no part of that action. That would explain why the owl isn’t already there, since surely I’m not the first one who has wanted to use it on the builder.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Oh
I was using a picture of Rich Aurilia.
Wouldn’t that be covered under parody, though? I’m no copyright guru, but surely something as well-known as the O RLY owl could be parodied legally.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Probably
But as you know it’s never a simple question of legal vs illegal.
If I ended up in court, could I defend it? Probably, but you can’t be sure.
Do I want to defend it in court? Hell no.
Is the guy ever going to sue me? Not bloody likely.
Would the judge consider the whole thing ridiculous because damages if any are minimal? Of course.
The relevant point is that ICanHasCheezburger.com is big enough to care about keeping its copyright nose clean, so it has a policy of bumping off anything that is obviously a violation or is reported to them by the copyright-holder. I prefer not to use their LolCat Builder tool in direct violation of their instructions.
(I will, however, make liberal use of Dan’s non-cheezburger version….)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Oh, and also
Not sure if I was clear about this but the copyright is not for whoever made the “O RLY?” gag. It’s the nature photographer who took a picture of an owl. Someone else nabbed his picture and made the well-known image macro out of it. This was done without permission and the original photographer has tried to assert his rights.
You can read this debated in nauseating fascinating detail on the Wikipedia talk page
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Wow
Seriously?
What a douchebag. (The photographer, I mean.)
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Photographers think they're all that
and a bag of chips,
but all they really do is stand in front of pretty things and press buttons!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 24, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I would like to stand in front
of a pretty thing and press her buttons.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Enh, I don't think it's douchey
The guy is a professional nature photographer. He’s probably not getting rich doing it. Suddenly one of his pics goes viral, in part because it really is a very good picture. At some sites it’s actually making some money. So he wants a piece of the action. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
If I’m running the site, no, I won’t go around asking for permission for every picture I use. But if someone takes the trouble to request that I take it down, of course I’ll take it down.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
OK
If he’s so smart, why didn’t HE slap “O RLY” on it?
The reason why it’s viral has nothing to do with him. And the only thing he’s accomplishing by sending takedown notices to Wikipedia is rerouting people to shadier sites.
He’d be better off just asking people to note that he took the photo. The publicity would be way more than worth it. But no— if he can’t extract (nay, extort) some free bucks out of people, he’s taking his ball and going home.
Douchebag.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
You really think he would get noticed
You think a little tag citing credit at the bottom would give him publicity? Does anyone even notice those things?
Unfortunately, the way he’s going about things is the only way he’ll get noticed. And you’re right, from afar it seems like a total dick move. And it probably is past his control at this point, there’s no way all the O RLY pictures go away. But I definitely respect his claim way more than the guy who sued the A’s for not giving him the Mother’s Day Gift.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Hey, I won't argue with that
That guy is also a douchebag.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
It's not a question of whether he's
“so smart”. It’s his picture and his call for what he wants to do with it.
Suppose I own an empty warehouse downtown. DFA sneaks in through a window, dresses the place up a little bit, sends out text messages to his 1,000 closest friends that he’s having a party there, and by chance it goes viral and becomes the city’s hottest new dance club. Am I a douche if I expect some compensation for unauthorized use of my building, even though I had nothing to do with making it valuable?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Not comparable
No one’s stopping him from using that photo (unlike your dance studio, where you would actually be incapable of using it for anything else). The fact that it has become ridiculous due to popular parody, and perhaps unusable for that reason, is too bad.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
If you're questioning the whole concept
of copyright law, then I’m actually much closer to your position. There is a LOT that’s wrong with copyright law, and treating “intellectual property” as if it is truly property is a big part of the problem. But the answer is to reform it, not just throw it out completely or advocate routine violation. Probably you and I would still disagree on some points, but we’d be a lot closer.
(In brief, my view is “intellectual property” is not property at all; rather, it is a government-enforced monopoly right granted for the public good; copyright law is constitutional only insofar as it serves the purposes spelled out in I:8:8 of the constitutional; and in light of new technology we need to reconsider how best to meet those goals.)
But here I’m not arguing whether current law is smart or stupid. I’m arguing about respecting the law as it is and not using tortured definitions of fair use and the difficulty of enforcement as a way of subverting it.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Today's legal...
…albeit pretty much unenforceable. realities aside… I agree that copyright laws need work.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Tortured?
It’s an encyclopedia. A nonprofit, free encyclopedia to boot. The article discusses a real phenomenon— it’s not like it’s some facile excuse to plaster the picture anywhere it’ll fit.
Fair use doesn’t get much stronger than that.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
You really don't supports legitmate ownership and copyright?
Here, we have the proverbial “little guy” defending what is rightfully and legally his, and this is somehow wrong? It was stolen from him… yes, stolen, taken for free and without regard to deserved compensation… and he’s the one seeking “free bucks”?
Or, do you associate the independent photographer as merely another morally corrupt businessman on par with the big bad mean baseball team owner?
BTW: photo credits do not feed the family, nor do they generate significant referrals or income. Most often they generate zero.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
by UncleLeo on Nov 24, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not "rightfully his"
He didn’t make the image amusing. He took a picture of a snowy owl. His contribution to the thing was like 1%, if that. Every bit of the ingenuity was on the part of the guy who slapped the language on there.
Worse, it’s now a fait accompli. Whether anyone likes it or not, it’s a thriving internet meme now. It’s fair game, or should be, for secondary commentary, which is the purpose of Wikipedia. That commentary is interfered with if people can’t actually see what’s being commented on. Bad as it is for him to complain about it being posted in random places, it’s a hundred times worse in the context of Wikipedia.
And again, the image was not “stolen.” That’s just a blatantly false statement. It was copied. No one took away or destroyed the guy’s own copies of his picture.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
The original owl photo most certainly was/is his.
Barring previous agreements, copyright of a photo becomes the property of the photographer the moment they click the shutter button. No copyright notice or symbol necessary.
Whoever originally added the caption should have taken their own photo.
“Copied”… “stolen”… semantics. Copyright remains violated.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
It's semantics to resist the conflation of two entirely different concepts?
And yes, I’m fully aware that the original creation of the image was a violation of copyright.
Well, now the “stating the current law vs. what you think the law ought to be” shoe is on the other foot, eh. I think that’s farcical. And, really, most of the apparatus of copyright in this country (and the world, since we flex our muscle to stick it to other countries with different policies— well, except China, can’t possibly say anything to offend China) is farcical.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
I guess I’m not allowed to speak from different viewpoints in two completely different and unrelated conversations… or something like that.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
You are right that
the photographer did not create the “O RLY?” version and did nothing to make it amusing.
The person who did make it amusing created a derivative work. That derivative work was unauthorized and publication of it is clearly illegal under §106(2) of the Copyright Act.
Through the Copyright Act the federal government has granted the photographer exclusive rights to authorize derivative works from his photo.
Anyone who publishes the “O RLY?” version (which now includes SB Nation) infringes on that right. The right-holder has taken action against some infringers, not by suing them for damages directly, but by the established procedure of first requesting that they cease and desist.
I’m still not clear on what you (Paul) are arguing. Are you saying that the photographer has no rights here? Or that he does have rights but you think he’s a douche for asserting them, like the pink hat guy?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Apparently I'm just not writing clearly
I thought it was obvious that I understood that the creation of the derivative O RLY owl was a violation of existing law.
It’s the latter. He has rights under existing law. By exercising them, he is demonstrating that he is a jackass. There is no benefit— none— that he will obtain from forcing these pictures to be taken down. That picture, from a “being taken seriously” standpoint, is as dead as the Souza march that was used by Monty Python. All he can accomplish is to expend his own time to interfere with other people’s amusement.
We have a word for people who do that: douchebags.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Thanks for clarifying.
I had figured out some of that from other comments I hadn’t read yet when I asked, and now I’m clear on where you and I agree and disagree.
I would have preferred if the guy had just let it go with a smile and give "O RLY?" his blessing, so I’m a little disappointed in his choice, but for me it’s nowhere near the douchery of the pink hat guy. I know a lot of artists and I know they can be squeamish and even eccentric about how their work is used. I do believe it "promotes the progress of useful arts" to indulge them by assuring that their wishes will be respected.
As for fair use, when I said "tortured" I was thinking more generally of the copyright-anarchists who advocate pushing fair use as a way of subverting copyright law (as opposed to reforming it, which we both favor), not so much the Wikipedia case specifically. Perhaps I went awry in associating you with the former group. I do think the Wikipedia case is not nearly as slam-dunk as you have suggested. As I’m sure you know, fair use is a very murky field. Just being a non-profit encyclopedia does not give you a case. The arguments are all there in the Wikipedia discussion page, so no need for me to rehash them. If you really think Wikipedia’s fair use case is strong, then you and I just disagree on that. (And you also disagree with Wikimedia Foundation’s lawyers.)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I don't really see how it's distinguishable from Pink Hat Guy
Both of them are throwing temper tantrums because they weren’t given something that they didn’t really have a right to expect in the first place. I have very little sympathy for people who get mad because they’re denied a windfall.
I’d absolutely support civil disobedience of copyright laws under some circumstances, but as I said, I’m fairly convinced (from reading the talk page you alluded to) that this would be no kind of disobedience at all. I think Wikipedia’s decision to take down the image is the legal equivalent of punting on 4th and 1.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
When you say "civil disobedience"
do you mean it in the original sense, eg, actually going to jail for your beliefs like Thoreau did? or in the contemporary sense of breaking the law and not having to pay any penalty because you think you’re right?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I'm a huge believer in Civil Disobendience when...
…the person is willing to take the fall when/if caught. I respect that kind of conviction and feel it is one of the most valid forms of protest.
Neither the pink hat guy nor the unauthorized owl photo modifier qualify. The pink hat guy is merely an opportunist, I think. The unauthorized owl photo gut is probably just some schmuck that took it for free because he could.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
The original sense
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Fuck Thoreau
he was in jail for a total of four hours before his aunt paid off the poll tax on his behalf.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 27, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
I'll make it simple.
Without the picture, there is nothing to post but the following text:
“O RLY”.
Which w/out the image to Photoshop, it looks just as funny as it does above, Hilarious No?
I’m into things like Creative Commons agreements, but lets face it – I do not expect everyone to feel the same way- esp. when it directly effects ones lively-hood.
All good to have
if those teams can be Felized in a trade.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
You're wearing DeRosa-colored Glauses.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Beane seems to always Feliz the other teams with a top-tiered prospect Hall.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Nothing Ventura'd, nothing gained.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 23, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
True! It's the only way to Groh as a person.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 23, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Oh... up your Fregosi with a bottle bat!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 24, 2009 5:37 AM PST up reply actions
Ha! We're Mad?
We’re ALL mad and need to come to (our) DeCinces
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 24, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
in case it wasn't mentioned...
I do believe that McPherson is now eligible for the Rule V draft, since he is not on the 40-man roster
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 24, 2009 7:03 AM PST reply actions
that would suck
if someone picked him up in the Rule V draft.
Why would they
when they could have had him without paying 50K in the draft?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Not to mention, NOT had to put him on the 25-man roster all season long
It’s not unheard of for a player to be Rule 5ed after signing as a minor league free agent— the one situation I can see is where you desperately want a guy but he won’t sign with your organization willingly. But it’s very rare.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Happened with Chris Gomez in 2004
December 8, 2004: Signed as a Free Agent with the Baltimore Orioles.
December 13, 2004: Drafted by the Philadelphia Phillies from the Baltimore Orioles in the 2004 rule 5 draft.
December 20, 2004: Purchased by the Baltimore Orioles from the Philadelphia Phillies.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 24, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions
That just seems backward to me.
One would think that a FA player who intentionally and willingly signs a new contract would thus effectively remove himself from any draft for that off-season.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
the Rule V is a good thing for players...
because if you’re good. you’re guaranteed a spot in the MLB. No player would be adverse to a guranteed spot on any team.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
For the most part, I agree, but...
…if it weren’t for the pro-active signing of a new contract, I would agree even more. To me, the player knows his status and his options and decided accordingly.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Speaking of former slegnA
Hudler and Physioc are no more.
No more nauseating homerisms from Physioc.
Well that's good news for everyone.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yes!
Fantastic. Now all we need is Chicago to follow suit.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
+ infinity
I was just about to say the same thing.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Heave the Hawk!
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
He certainly made me heave many a time
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
And we're still giving Vince another chance?
Vince Cotroneo : Bill King :: Bobby Crosby : Miguel Tejada
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Vince Cotroneo : Bobby Crosby :: Rex Hudler : Yuniesky Betancourt
Vince may be bad…but he’s no Hudler.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
Wow, analogy fail.
Er, switch Bobby and Rex around.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
It warms my heart...
… that an average journeyman like Dallas McP can generate such a long thread from baseball enthusiasts.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
who?
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -NM
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 24, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
If I may be forgiven for posting ON-topic,
the more I mull over this Dallas McPherson signing, the more I like it.
Call it a gut feeling, but this one feels more like a Frank Thomas type signing than any of the other recent attempts have (Giambi, Nomar, M Sweeney, etc)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
The Frank Thomas signing was great...
…because there was no fiscal risk and Frank had never NOT performed when healthy. The bet was how healthy he would be. Some of the more recent signings didn’t have one or didn’t have either of those things. Piazza had monetary risk. Giambi, Sweeney, and Nomar had performance issues.
McPherson does have no monetary risk. And because he doesn’t seem like an integral part of the team, there’s no pressure. Anything we get from him is gravy. It does seem like the exact kind of no-worry situation as Hurt. But then McP does have performance issues, so his expected value is much lower than Thomas’. But I don’t think anyone was arguing that they had the same upside.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
JR gets shot?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Sorry -- did you have that episode TiVo'd and hadn't gotten to it yet?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
My TV's on a 25-year delay.
For censors and whatnot. I’ll finally understand Marquez’s Scrapbook series in a couple years!
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
I hate to ruin another one for you, but:
Courtney Cox can’t act.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It doesn't matter. :-)
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson






























