A's Protect Carter, FDLS, Figueroa and Souza from Rule V
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 6:32 AM PST
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PrintThe A's selected the following players on November 20, 2009:
- Oakland Athletics called up Chris Carter from Sacramento River Cats.
- Oakland Athletics called up Fautino De Los Santos from AZL Athletics
- Oakland Athletics called up Pedro Figueroa from Stockton Ports.
- Oakland Athletics called up Justin Souza from Midland RockHounds.
The aforementioned players are no longer eligible for the Rule V draft on December 10. The A's roster now stands at 39.
I would venture to say that nobody would have put Souza in this group. Souza, as you may recall, was acquired from Seattle in the Jack Hannahan trade. Some of the players left exposed to the Rule V include: Recker, Wimberly, Godfrey and Lansford. Does AN see any glaring omissions?
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is Wallace on the 40 man already?
This is a good post…
I’m excited to see what they (AN) have to say about the roster moves~
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
Wallace is not on the 40-man roster...
he doesn’t have to be added for awhile, as he was just drafted in 2008.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks...
How about Doolittle and Corey Brown?
Are they safe in triple AAA?
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
they are safe for this year...
I think they both will have to be protected at the end of 2010, being that they were drafted in 2007.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
They're safe
The basic rule of thumb is: Any player who was drafted/signed before they turned 18 has 5 years of minor league playing time before they need to be protected on the 40 man. Any player signed after they turn 18 has 4 years before they need to be protected. And in case you don’t want to mess around with trying to figure out birthdays and the such, just remember that more then 90% of the time anyone drafted out of high school gets 5 years and anyone drafted out of college (including CC) gets 4 years.
Obviously any player the organization wants with the big league team needs to be on the 40 man regardless of when they were drafted!
The monster at the end of this blog.
Thanks to you both ,and a special thanks for the helpful definition Grover!
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
Ironically
Chuck Lofgren, whom NSJ mentions below, was drafted out of high shool BUT he was 18 at the time… meaning he only had 4 years in the minors before he was eligible for the Rule 5 draft.
And I know we’ve spoken about spelling my name with a lower case "g’. Don’t make me hate you.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Wimberly is the only name on the list
That might land a roster spot for the entire year for a new team – but thats an if
If I were drafting,
I wouldn’t draft Wimberly,
but I would draft his stirrups.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 22, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
He better have a stirrup-backflip clause in his contract.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
None are big league ready
from the list but you never know what a scout has on a player. What stands out to me in they left 1 spot open to draft a rule v player.
that 40th spot could be for a free agent...
possibilities include: Duke, Kennedy or someone like Jamie Carroll.
The A’s haven’t excelled with their Rule V picks in the BB era. I remind everyone of Ben Copeland (2008), Fernando Hernandez (2007), Ryan Goleski (2006), Jay Marshall (2006), Tyler Johnson (2004), Frank Brooks (2003 – via trade), Rontrez Johnson (2002), Mike Neu (2002), Jason Grabowski (2001), Bo Porter (1999), and last but not least, Eric Stuckenschneider (1998). I’m sure it’s worth the risk; you never know when you might find a Josh Hamilton, Joakim Soria or a Johan Santana.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
maybe our scouts drink to much
which affects and impairs their judgement.
I don’t understand what Beane sees in Geren? Does Beane really believe Geren will lead the A’s to the promise land and bring home a World Series title?
I think Geren is def. on the hot seat IMO…
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
Some people think non sequiturs are an art form, but it's an art form I don't understand
What in the world does Geren have to do with the rule 5 draft?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I am guessing he had a say in
who was proteced and who wasn’t… (rule 5)
I start reading about the A’s and just wrote about how much I dislike his management.
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
I'm guessing
no Mgr. in the BB era has had a say in roster moves.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
really?
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
Yes, really
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Agreed
Would you listen to Geren if u were Beane?
My thoughts exactly
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Given that the two are close friends...
…I’d bet they at least discuss roster moves, but that the ultimate decision still rests with Beane and that Beane is strong enough to disregard Geren’s opinion if he disagrees.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
by UncleLeo on Nov 21, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You nailed it, Unc.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 22, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Why?
I mean, he might have met a couple of these guys at spring training or instructs or something, but he’s certainly never managed any of them.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
if that's the case
I like them even more. Drinking makes my decision making ability increase 3000 percent. Of course, I didn’t say it was the RIGHT decision making ability.
"I am happy because I do not have unrealistic expectations"- Karma Ura...or an A's fan.
by DyeLongJustice on Nov 22, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
I see a pattern emerging...
We gotta get the J-’s then.
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by fruitattack on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Goleski was the worst one
When Beane dealt for that #1 overall Rule V draft pick, everyone thought it was for Soria. WHOOPS!
WordUpThome: "TRENIDAD HUBBARD WENT TO HIS CUPBOARD TO FEED HIS POOR DOGS AND PETS...WHEN HE GOT THERE, THE CUPBOARD WAS BARE, AND THEY TRADED HIS DOG TO THE METS"
by CaliforniaJag on Nov 23, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not a big fan of Blevins, so why is he on the 40 man?
What is your take AN?
Who doesn’t belong on the 40 man roster? Eveland…
I am really lost, now that Crosby is gone! I have to find a new A’s crybaby. Maybe I will target my block attacks on Dana Eveland or Barton is he hits .220 with 0 HR’s through the first 50 games…
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
Blevins is definitely worth keeping...
as for the guys that are still on the 40-man roster that may be vulnerable to losing their spot – IMO, Eveland, Petit, Everidge, Marshall and Casilla are players I wouldn’t miss. Also, Jack Cust could be a non-tender candidate, but I doubt it.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
I couldn't agree more...
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
I'm going to take a stab at it.
Casilla will be the new AN whipping boy if he doesn’t turn it around this year.
Although it would be tough for him to hit into a triple play like BoCro.
also, he doesn't get paid so much or play every day
out of sight, out of mind, and all that.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
I do not want Casilla on a boat
I do not want him with a goat.
I do not want him BillyIAm.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 22, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Um, it's fine not to want him on a boat
but putting him with a goat is the one thing that actually makes him a keeper.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Oh, I don't know
I imagine quite a few people want Casilla on a boat… a boat out of town, that is.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Or just a leaky one.
Or one catching the tide towards an iceberg.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Would he be ridin on a dolphin
doin flips and shit?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
No, that's Corey Wimberly.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I still like Petit.
Wouldn’t miss any of the others.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
He fills the important "generic person with an option who can actually play shortstop" spot on the roster
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
if it's true that the A's are interested in Jamie Carroll...
or if they’re looking for a veteran utility infielder for the roster, someone who can play an average SS, Petit becomes redundant … NO? That’s why I think he is vulnerable. I believe BB will bring in someone of that ilk because he’s probably a little concerned with the thought of Pennington at SS for an entire season. If Pennington falls on his face, do you really want Petit as plan B?
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Well, yes and no.
I actually don’t think Petit is very vulnerable to Rule V. Petit is the sort of guy that everyone needs to have on the 40-man roster to call up if need be, but unless their team is ever more desperate than ours is at that position, he’s not a guy anyone wants to keep on their 25-man roster all year. So I actually don’t think he’s a risk for being claimed. I think he’s on the 40-man now not for protection but because we actually want to have him on the 40-man for the season. A similar logic probably applies to Everidge.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
i meant vulnerable to being DFA'd if the A's need a roster spot on the 40-man
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, that makes sense.
But I don’t think Petit is first to go if a roster spot is needed.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
you're right...
I don’t think Petit would be the first to go – they’ve other options.
as I mentioned above:
as for the guys that are still on the 40-man roster that may be vulnerable to losing their spot – IMO, Eveland, Petit, Everidge, Marshall and Casilla are players I wouldn’t miss.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
This is also why before too long we’ll reach him on the prospect poll. Not because he’s good, but because you have to have one of those around, and there’s a small chance he might suddenly put it together and be decent, and a somewhat less small chance that he’ll still be of some value to the organization even just as he is.
Some will say, yeah, but guys like that are fungible. Any time you need one you can go out and get one. Sure, you can. And when you do go out and get one, what do you give up for it? Some long-shot prospect in the low minors. Which is pretty much the selection we’re voting on when we reach the 20s.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
My spelling is awful... Sorry AN
I rushed and typed this comment here at work!
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The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
Blevins had the 4th best FIP among all left-handed relievers in baseball with 20 IP last season
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Um
We’re talking about designating a player for assignment here.
20 IP of good play is way more than enough to justify keeping a guy when the alternatives are Everidge, Casilla and Jay Marshall…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
He also had a 5.26 EqERALF in AAA according to BB-Pro in about 60 IP
Minorleaguesplits.com gives him a 3.84 EqERA. So he may or may not be any good, but he’s certainly worth keeping on the roster.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
well, props to grover...
he’s the first person I heard mention that Figuroa would need to protected, and he’s also the guy who got me thinking that the A’s would protect 4+ players, which they did.
I had totally forgotten about Souza, but it makes sense, doesn’t it? When they acquired him from Seattle, I’m sure that Seattle had decided that they weren’t going to protect him and, rather than risk losing him for nothing, that made him available to the A’s. From the A’s side: even though he was bad in his two month audition with the team, that doesn’t erase the reasons they wanted to acquire him in the first place. Maybe playing in the familiar environs of Sac will eventually give Souza a boost, although I’d have to imagine he’ll start ’10 in Midland again, right?
Paul made a great point a few weeks ago in my offseason thread about why Lansford wouldn’t be protected, and he was right. I think there’s a small chance that Recker might get taken, but how many teams are desperate for a backup catcher? Not many. And there’s so many 30-somethings on the Free Agent catcher list. Most teams would probably prefer to have a veteran backup catcher to work with their staff than some wide-eyed kid. Seems like the A’s are making that calculated gamble.
Wimberly? Eh. He didn’t show any improvement at the plate in a second full-season trial at AA. If you squint, maybe you could an NL team trying to do what Tony LaRussa did with Brian Barton, a Rule 5er who he tried to utilize as a super-utility type. But Brian Barton has a better minor league hitting record than Wimberly, and Barton still wasn’t very successful. Wimberly would only get taken to be some team’s pinch-runner, because he’s not a great defensive infielder, either. And teams don’t really take a Rule 5 pick just to pinch-run. He’d have a very steep learning curve, trying to learn the pickoff moves of every guy in the league, and I just don’t think he’d end up being a valuable use of the 25th roster slot at all.
An equally big story here is that the 40-man roster now stands at 39, and Billy has basically indicated that there won’t be big off-season FA acquisitions. Short of a major trade, this is the A’s 2010 team.
Of the remaining most likely roster casualties:
I don’t think Everidge will be pushed off the 40-man; that would’ve happened already, like it did with Denorfia. Everidge’s attractive option status (2 remaining) affords the team some flexibility, as does his ability to play third base.
It seems like the team still holds out hope for Eveland and Jay Marshall, too – they’ll probably at least be brought to camp. If Eveland’s throwing 82 mph, yeah, it’s his last hurrah with the team. But there’s still an outside chance – don’t laugh – that he opens 2010 as the A’s fifth starter. If Cahill and Mazzaro look terrible, and Eveland looks good, that’s my vote. It makes sense contractually. Eveland’s out of options and will be lost for nothing if he doesn’t make the big club, while Cahill and Mazzaro could both benefit from more minor league seasoning.
So…
*Maybe Casilla gets non-tendered. That would put the roster at 38. But if Casilla is willing to agree to another $500K contract to come back, they might just keep him around anyway.
*Maybe they hold one roster spot free for a late-January bargain basement signing – Feliz or Kennedy if they can’t get a job elsewhere and are forced to settle for a $1M deal, for example.
*Maybe they take a Rule 5 pick. What about local boy Chuck Lofgren? 6’3", soon-to-be-24-year-old lefty SP in the Indians organization who hasn’t missed a start in his five years of pro ball. He fell from grace after a disasterous 2008 season, but had a decent rebound in ‘09. Lofgren was born in Redwood City, went to Serra High, and was the Mercury News CCS Player of the Year in high school. I’d rather take a flier on a guy with starting SP potential than some Jay Marshall/Goleski scrub with platoon/LOOGY potential.
Anyway, Lofgren’s my off-the-cuff vote. I haven’t really looked at who got protected last night so I don’t even know who all is available yet
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 21, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This def. could be the case regarding Eveland!
The lease is def short and needs to get the job done, or he is out ala Dan Meyer…
I wish our OF was Ethier, CarGon, and Sweeney…
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
I wish it was Crawford, Kemp, and Justin Upton
But that’s just me, I guess.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Why would you want a guy with only 1 year left on his contract?
The monster at the end of this blog.
because he's going to sign a ridiculously team friendly extension, of course!
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I mean jeeze, didn't you EVER play MVP baseball???
That’s the way it always works, right?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Lofgren was not protected.
Indians added Kelvin De La Cruz, Jeanmar Gomez, Jordan Brown, Jason Donald, Wes Hodges, Carlos Rivero and Nick Weglarz.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Save one roster spot for Spring Training?
NSJ, any chance our A’s would save a roster spot if possible for the boatload of prospects I expect to be invited to Spring Training. Certainly would be incentive – as if they needed any more.
by redtopcowboy on Nov 21, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
there's no way that 40th spot lasts...
until spring training. BB may not be active on the high profile free agent front, but there will be deals late in the off season that he will take advantage of – expect a trade or 2 as well.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
If the A's sign Bo-Cro;
all I can think of is watching the movie: Major League II -
“You think April is to early for a Roger Dorn night?”
“Dorn is 0 for the century against this guy!”
“As GM of this team, I demand to know when I am getting a start!”
“You have no marbles!!!”
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
This is strategic
The A’s leave open a roster spot right now in case someone jumps out at them in the next few weeks. I think Eveland, Casilla, Marshall and Everidge are all goners, with Petit on the brink depending upon infielder availability over the next few months. There’s a lot of room for maneuvering, but this way the A’s don’t have to make a decision if they see a Rule V guy pop up out of the blue in the next few weeks. And that guy may wind up being sent back over the winter… no telling if he’d even stick til spring.
thanks to the 60-day DL, they won't need to save a roster slot
In the offseason, any players who were on the 60-day DL are “removed” from the DL, merely as a formality, to prevent teams from abusing extra roster slots.
But once it’s March again, guys like Outman (and, lets be honest, maybe Chavez) can be pushed to the 60-day DL…which will indeed free up a roster slot for an NRI such as Wallace or Simmons to make the team straight out of training camp.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 21, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
NSJ, you mentioned Eveland not having any options left.. but what I am interested in is
Would Eveland, Casilla, Marshall and others like that have a trade value where BB could pick up someone good. Maybe start with Hairston or Buck and one or two of those three.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I could see a trade for someone else without options left
It wouldn’t be anyone their team considers good though.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
ironically, Hairston was acquired with similar pieces.
The A’s have a real talent for hoarding fringy players that are better than other teams’ fringy players. I honestly think it’s our favorite team’s best gift. Part of me loving the A’s is that I’m a dork for that kind of stuff.
The entire NL passed on Rajai Davis before he reached us on waivers. Breslow was acquired via waivers, too.
The A’s actually have a lot of guys who aren’t good enough to play for a first-division contender but are good enough to play on a low-budget, rebuilding NL team, and I put Eveland in that group. Just like Ryan Webb, and just like Italiano.
If you have enough fringy-but-somewhat-valuable pieces like that, you can package them together and acquire…something slightly more valuable. That’s one way to interpret the Hairston trade, if you have the same cynical view of Gallagher that the A’s front office apparently does (and I’m more willing to trust our front office than, say, Dave Cameron or PT or grover typically are).
That’s a roundabout way of saying that Eveland absolutely has some trade value, to answer your question ebj. He’s not the primary piece in any trade discussion. But he’s a “deal-finisher,” like Greg Smith was, or like Ryan Webb was. When the primary pieces carry major risk (CarGon, Gallagher), they help give the acquiring team some peace of mind.
I wouldn’t be surprised, for example, to see Hairston and Eveland go to the Mets if they miss out on Holliday and Bay this offseason. Or Wuertz and Eveland headed somewhere. Same idea. He’ll definitely be the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th name in any deal the A’s offer, not the primary.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 21, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is eminently correct
Eveland has a pretty solid track record. Did he have a horrible 2009? Unquestionably. But I don’t doubt that some team will be willing to take a chance that he bounces back.
If Dan Meyer could piece it together after several bad years, why couldn’t Eveland after one?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Could this logic also apply to James Simmons?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Absolutely
and Patterson, and Buck, and whomever loses the 5th starter battle in camp next spring, and all 15 of our major-league ready relievers…
this org has a bevy of guys who are better than the 24-40 of most team’s 40-man rosters. Especially NL teams.
And the Dan Meyer example that Paul gave above is a perfect illustration of that.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 22, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Meyer only did because that's SOP for recently departed A's
Yes, I’m kidding… kinda.
Every hitter likes fastballs, just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon. That's what it feels like when Nolan Ryan's thrown balls by you. ~Reggie Jackson
Meyer's several bad years were tied to his shoulder injury
Eveland has failed multiple big league opportunities and it hasn’t been because of health. Essentially, teams seem much more willing to place hope on players who have been injured then on those who have sucked.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Eveland hasn't sucked for his entire career
He sucked in 2009. He did not suck in 2008.
Meyer was perfectly healthy in 2008 and still sucked.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying
but you gloss over one absolutely critical part of the whole conversation:
Dana Eveland, if he does indeed have trade value (he’s a relatively young lefty who can breath… yep) than he has to stay on the A’s 25 man roster or else the A’s will lose him if they try to place him on waivers so they can send him to the minors.
Ryan Webb and Italiano had options remaining, enhancing their “fringy” value.
I’ve got no problem with trading Eveland. I’d have much less problem keeping Eveland on the 40 man roster if he still had an option remaining. But I balk at the idea of keeping Eveland on the 25 man roster in the hopes that he can scrape together enough innings to build up his trade value to the point the A’s can actually deal him. If he doesn’t have enough trade value now, during the offseason, then I don’t see how he’s supposed to gain more via playing time in 2010. Not at the potential expense of what you could lose in the process.
The monster at the end of this blog.
In the category of giving props,
I have to concede that I misread the Hannahan trade. I saw it as evidence that Beane, for whatever reason, was willing to give away Hannahan for next to nothing because I figured Souza was just a whatever type throw-in. Paul disagreed and said Beane made the trade because he really liked Souza.
Regardless of whether Souza really does turn out any good, this move clearly shows that the front office does think highly of him, so Paul was right and I was wrong.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I would think Casilla would get non-tendered
if only to give his roster spot to H. Rodriguez (who is out of options, correct?). Rodriguez is a little cheaper and just a different brand of short RH reliever suck.
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Rodriguez definitely has one more option year
Thanks to MLB’s arcane rules about fourth option years, I can say only that it is “possible but not certain” that he could be optioned again in 2011. I forgot about that possibility when I said he only had one option remaining this morning.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Ah. For some reason I thought he was out of options,
even though it didn’t make sense to me that he would be. I probably read it on the interweb and naturally assumed it was cold hard fact.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Henry was signed in 2003, and therefore has more than five professional years. That
would seem to indicate that he has only one option year remaining. It’s probably the main reason he was converted to relief.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 23, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
It's not "years after a player signs a pro contract" though
There’s some arcane rule about “pro seasons” which are only counted if you play a certain number of games and don’t spend time on the DL and Jupiter aligns with Mars and…
It’s buried somewhere in the MLB rules, but those aren’t available online.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Check an almanac
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
This description is pretty thorough:
I believe this is the arcane rule in question:
A player may be eligible for a fourth option year if he has been optioned in three seasons but does not yet have five full seasons of professional experience. A full season is defined as being on an active pro roster for at least 90 days in a season. (If a player is put on the disabled list after earning 60 or more days of service in a single season, his time on the DL is counted.) The 90-day requirement means short-season leagues (New-York Penn, Northwest, Pioneer, Appalachian, Gulf Coast, Arizona Rookie, Dominican and Venezuelan Summer Leagues) do not count as full seasons for the purposes of determining eligibility for a fourth option.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
That says NOTHING about Jupiter aligning with Mars
Moran.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Based on that rule, Rodriguez should have 2 options remaining
Signed in 2003 at 16, Rodriguez didn’t pitch in games until 2005. He played in SS ball that year and in 2006, not clocking his first full season until 2007 with Low-A Kane County.
Here’s were it gets a little weird though.
In 2006 the new CBA bumped the exemption period (that’s the time between when a player signs and when he must be added on to the 40 man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft) by a year, meaning that any player who signed his contract before the age of 19 (remember, Rodriguez’s listed age was 16 at signing) was exempt from the Rule 5 draft for 5 years.
Yet the A’s placed Rodriguez on the 40 man roster prior to the start of the 2008 season. He should have been exempt from the Rule 5 draft and there was little reason for the A’s to expect a SP who had spent 2007 in Low-A to mature quick enough to see Oakland by the end of the 2008 season.
So why did the A’s add Rodriguez to the 40 man roster so early? Is there something in the rules we’re overlooking?
Regardless, Rodriguez should be eligible for a 4th option based on having only 3 full seasons of pro ball under his belt.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I hope he has two because I have a feeling he'll need them.
If he does, though, I don’t get why they put him on the major league roster early, nor why they moved him to the pen.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2009 2:00 AM PST up reply actions
No, 2007 was the right Rule 5 date
2003-2004-2005-2006-2007. Five years. I’m assuming they inked him in July, like most 16-year-old IFAs.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
July 18, 2003 according to SB Nation
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'm slightly surprised Recker didn't make the cut
but teams may see the backup catcher position more as NSJ intimates (“veteran” backstop) than as a spot where you can hide a guy for a year. Still— the A’s 40-man only has two guys who are plausible options at catcher on it. They’re a Landon Powell injury away from needing to add a catcher anyway. If Recker gets taken, it might have to be Josh Donaldson whether he’s ready or not. I suppose Galarraga could get the nod if he’s healthy again, but shoulder injuries worry me even in position players.
I certainly prefer Souza to the other three listed, so realizing now that he’s eligible, I’d support protecting him over them.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Maybe it means they're optimistic about Galarraga
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Anytime the A's get optimistic about injuries,
I get nervous.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
yeah. Look at this long list of FA catchers. Way more guys than there are jobs open:
Eliezer Alfonzo (31)
Brad Ausmus (41)
Paul Bako (38)
Rod Barajas (34) – Type B
Josh Bard (32)
Michael Barrett (33)
Henry Blanco (38)
Ramon Castro (34)
Chris Coste (37)
Sal Fasano (38)
Toby Hall (34)
Jason Kendall (36) – Type B
Jason LaRue (36)
Chad Moeller (35)
Bengie Molina (35) – Type A
Jose Molina (35)
Miguel Olivo (31) – Type B
Mike Redmond (39)
Ivan Rodriguez (38) – Type B
Brian Schneider (33)
Yorvit Torrealba (31) – Type B
Matt Treanor (34)
Javier Valentin (34)
Vance Wilson (37)
Gregg Zaun (39) – Type B
Now granted, a few of these guys will be forced into retirement, and it isn’t an inspiring group. But pitchers are a notoriously fussy group, and speaking from experience, they can be head cases. Look at the Burnett-Molina-Posada charade. I can picture some veteran SPs being a bit primadonna-esque and insisting on throwing to an “experienced vet” from the list above rather than some fresh-faced rook.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 21, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Ya Recker doesn't have enough upside to keep him as a rarely used 25th man, and
he isn’t enough of a “receiver” to replace Henry Blanco or Ivan Rodriguez.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Is Curtis Thigpen still in the A's system?
I realize Curtis Thigpen is hardly a prospect, but if he is in the system and healthy (does anyone know what his injury was last year?) he is another experienced minor leaguer who could help cover an injury in the first half of the season. Ultimately, guys like Josh Donaldson, Joel Galarraga and Recker are going to become more attractive with AAA experience.
Milb.com shows him on the Rivercats roster
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Completely OT
Who was that backup C you wanted teams to rule V last year? How’d he do?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
that was the name.
I don’t know how he did. I think he might’ve struggled with injuries and been returned to his previous team.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 22, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think he barely played this season
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
In a sorta related topic...
Josh Johnson and the Marlins can’t reach an agreement on a long-term deal.
Johnson wants a 4 year deal and was willing to give Florida a hometown discount. He’s going into his 2nd arbitration year and is expected to get around $4 million for 2010. Next year is his age 26 season and he’s under team control through 2011.
Johnson pretty much fits the profile as someone the A’s might be interested in pursuing in a trade this offseason… although the price would be substantial.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Wow
Johnson and his agents used Zack Greinke’s four-year, $38 million contract with the Kansas City Royals as a framework in contract discussions. Sosnick said talks broke down when the Marlins declined to offer more than a three-year deal — which would buy out only one year of free agency for Johnson. Sosnick declined to discuss any differences over money in negotiations.
really? They’re hesitating at giving him a 4/40 deal?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
weird...
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
maybe they think he'll get injured or some conern of that sort.
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
No they are just cheap and small market......
a bad combo.
"I mean, come on, man. I'm a vet. Don't talk to me like that. If they do, I'll just smile." Nnamdi Asomugha
by s0sNe@kYbUtY? on Nov 21, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
9-10 million a year would be fully one fourth of the Marlins’ payroll. I could see why they would be hesitant. I mean, its their loss, but if they want to keep payroll so low, they can’t afford to lock up that big a percentage of their payroll in one player.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 21, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
It's the Marlins, man
Signing players to actual reasonable contracts would interfere with Jeffrey Loria’s desire to make tons of money by sucking at the teat of MLB’s corporate welfare udder.
That being said, don’t expect their GM to hand him over for free. It took Hanley Ramirez to extract Josh Beckett from them three years ago.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Not the greatest comp... prospects were a much more tradable commodity then
Boston also had to take on Mike Lowell’s contract.
I think the Cliff Lee trade is more apt for a comparison.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Hm
Well, if we wanted to make a direct comparison to the package given over in that trade, it would be something like:
Ynoa
Mazzaro
Donaldson
Pennington
for Johnson and Cody Ross. We could probably toss out Pennington and Ross since the teams wouldn’t need or want to do that part of the trade.
If Johnson actually agreed to the extension to 4 years as part of the trade, I’d do that deal.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I'm not sure about Johnson signing an extension right away
about HIM not wanting to sign long term with the A’s before he’s thrown a single pitch for them.
I’m actually posing the question over on Minorleagueball right now: 2 years of Johnson for who from Oakland?
The monster at the end of this blog.
Shrug
I’m assuming he wants a guaranteed payout to reduce the risk that another injury effectively ends his career.
Long-term deals for pre-FA players are rarely about loving the place where they’re playing. Surely Florida— likely the only game/location/stadium atmosphere in MLB which is WORSE than Oakland— is not why he wants to sign this deal.
Anyway, I would NOT do that deal without the extension. It would be buying a pig in a poke.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
So figure out what deal you would do and take it over to Sickles' place!
Shit PT, maybe Johnson just hates you and he doesn’t want to be associated with a team that has you for a fan any longer than he has to. Why can’t you accept that Johnson might not want to sign an immediate extension with a team he doesn’t know and has no previous feelings toward.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Isn't that what basically happens in free agency?
Just without the choice of be more specific about location, some pricing terms and competition?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
The key word there is...
“choice”.
Johnson has the choice to sign an extension or not.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Maybe he likes Florida and likes the new stadium plan.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't Hanley Ramirez a bit of a wild card at the time of the trade?
He was toolsy, but I don’t think, to that point, he’d ever dominated a league. Not that it matters much at this point, but I don’t think the general feelings of the time were that Boston gave up a surefire future all-star.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
Well, sure
Obviously there’s no way Boston makes that trade if they know everything that is going to happen going forward.
At the time Hanley Ramirez was viewed as a highly talented head case.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I think even if they knew how great he would be they make that trade.
Beckett was a big part of winning two World Series. I would trade a player with teh talent level of say Longoria if I knew the player in return would be a large contributing factor to winning a world series or multiple in the case of Boston.
Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.
That, of course, assumes that they wouldn't have won them with Hanley and not Beckett
Which, in general, is unlikely to be the case.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Yeah
I mean, they’ve been scuffling at shortstop for 5 years now. Hard to believe adding Hanley wouldn’t have done it. Again, once you toss out the bizarre butterfly-effect scenarios, they’re better off without that trade.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Souza was hurt after coming over, right?
I’m under the impression for some reason that was the general explanation for his utter sucktitude upon arriving in Midland. He had pretty interesting numbers in the Seattle organization, so I’m on board with Beane protecting him. Could be a useful swingman/back end rotation guy.
we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.
Yeah, Souza had some (as I recall) shoulder problems after arriving
No surgery though.
The monster at the end of this blog.
OT: Desme just hit a bomb in the AFL Championship game
….Weeks followed up later w/ a double
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions
Record was 14 IIRC
Desme finished with 11 in the regular season and 1 in the championship.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Geez.
Didn’t he hit 10 in, like, the first two weeks? He had to slump hard to not break that record.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
Well
Corey Brown was second in the league and he only hit 6. To hit 4 in 15 or however many games would still be a league leading pace. He only hit 1 though.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I was looking at the AFL stats and was impressed w/ the pair.
Anyone know where Brown was playing most of the time, RF or LF?
The Phoenix team seemed to be loaded with CFers
All the outfielders rotated with everybody getting a little time in center. It didn’t appear that anybody was favored in the field.
Yeah, he ended with an OPS of "only" 1.079
It was in the 1.500 range at one point.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
DFA DESME NOW
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
61% of those polled so far...
don’t like the Souza selection.
This is a lot like the A’s adding Ryan Webb last year, nobody saw it coming. Webb of course became part of package that brought the A’s Hairston. Another player in that group, Craig Italiano, was added to San Diego’s 40-man roster.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 21, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions
It might have been more informative to ask which of the following would you rather keep
Souza
Godfrey
Wimberly
Lansford
Someone else
None of the above
It might be that a 39% approval is the highest of that group.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be surprised if that was true, but the only reason I'd be surprised
is that Souza’s new to the org and probably wouldn’t have the name recognition of the others (especially Lansford).
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
he keeps the A's
On uniwatch’s radar. Him and Outman.
[b]More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis[/b]
Does Rajai Davis know Al Davis?
by Athletics fan and runner on Nov 22, 2009 5:45 AM PST up reply actions
Souza
Agree with the move x 1000000000000
Feels like (from my limited knowledge of him) all he needs is health to be really good.
Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Kind of like...
never mind, that’s too easy.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
So who are the Rule5 targets this year?
I know the A’s will end up going with someone who, even if the hit their 100% best, will only help as a bench or loogy or something, but still nice to hope they pick the guy we want them to (like Soria, or Hamilton).
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
I could see the A's sitting this one out
Usually the chance to get even a marginale player for $50,000 is always worth it, but the A’s have a lot players fighting for roster spots so it may suit them best to just sit the Rule 5 draft out.
If they want to select me, I'm willing to take 10% of that. And I'm happy to sit, too.
Just saying.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
I also will make myself available
And i will be either younger with more upside, or older with more experience than bobnothing (depending on whether I am older or younger than bobnothing), and will work for the same price!
(On the off-chance we are the same age, I will claim to have twice the hustle and three times the grit!)
I almost see the opposite
Since we’re not going for it, it’s easier to stash a player and give them some play time here and there.
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I see the A's in an evaluation year
That 25th roster spot can be used to take a look at guys like Patterson, Buck, Cunningham, Cardenas, Doolittle, or pitchers like Grey, Rodriguez, Demel, Meloan, Mortenson and Simmons. I would rather the A’s use that roster spot to give a shot to these guys over anyone who may be available through the Rule 5 draft. Of course I reserve the right to change that opinion should any real interesting prospects make it into the draft.
Yeah but the A's can send a Rule 5 pick back at any time.
It’s probably still worth it to take a flier on a guy even if it’s just to view them during Spring Training. They wouldn’t HAVE to hold onto them all year; it’s just giving the A’s another option, which, unless there’s really no one good available, would be stupid not to take.
"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying" - Ichiro
by Philip Christy on Nov 22, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I started this thread over at
minorleagueball.com to see if we can come up with a community Rule V prospect list. I’d venture to say that SB nation will come up with a more comprehensive list than most publications. Hopefully, Sickels will chime-in as well.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 22, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions
There's a guy mentioned on that thread named Dallas Buck.
I know nothing about him, but he’d be fun to have just for the name. Now if we can just find a Travis Braden to complete the set.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
A's never had Junior Felix
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 24, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
The Astros did have Cesar Cedeno, Joaquin Andujar and Andujar Cedeno
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Upon Further Review, you are Correct
My bad.
I guess is was just wishful thinking to hav an AB-BC-CD outfield.
You need a DA 4th OFer anyway
Such as:
Jose Felix
Felix Miranda
Miranda Patrick
Patrick Jose
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
This one REEKS of Billy Beane…
Royals don’t have much interesting
I was disappointed they left P Chris "Disco" Hayes unprotected. He’s the quirky sabermetric submariner who posted a 0.98 ERA in 36 AA innings, but struggled in AAA with a 4.59 ERA. Still, he throws strikes, and if he keeps the ball low he could be an asset in the pen.
Quirky Sabermetric submariner??? If we make a pick, and he’s there, that’s the guy.
WordUpThome: "TRENIDAD HUBBARD WENT TO HIS CUPBOARD TO FEED HIS POOR DOGS AND PETS...WHEN HE GOT THERE, THE CUPBOARD WAS BARE, AND THEY TRADED HIS DOG TO THE METS"
What would be his theme song? The Hustle? Disco Inferno? Disco Duck?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions
More on Souza from Scout.com:
The additions of Carter, De Los Santos and Figueroa were expected, as those three are among the A’s top prospects. Souza’s inclusion was a bit of a surprise, and it is a testament to how well Souza pitched at the A’s recent Instructional League camp. Souza was one of the oldest players at Instructs, but A’s minor league pitching coordinator Gil Patterson raved about Souza’s stuff, calling him a “poor man’s [Andrew] Bailey.”
Souza was acquired by the A’s during the 2009 season from the Seattle Mariners for Jack Hannahan. The Stockton native had a 3.35 ERA in 78 innings for Double-A West Tennessee before the trade, but he struggled in five starts with Double-A Midland after the deal, posting a 10.35 ERA. The A’s are still deciding whether Souza’s future lies in the starting rotation or the bullpen.
The 24-year-old was selected by Seattle in the ninth round out of Sacramento Community College in 2006. He is a hard thrower, with a fastball that sits in the 91-95 MPH range. Souza also features a hard slider and a curveball and Patterson mentioned that Souza may add a cutter before the start of next season. Souza was named the top pitcher at the A’s US Instructional League camp in late October.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Nov 24, 2009 7:16 AM PST reply actions
Well that answers it --
he’s going to add a cutter and become Andrew Bailey. It’s all the rage.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Well, it is a poor-man's Rookie of the Year...
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
"Better a poor-man's Pujols than a rich-man's Neifi," I always say
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I didn't realize he threw that hard
I thought he was in the James Simmons high-80s range.
Wow, that makes me like him a lot more.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I thought Simmons had a low 90s FB, and a bit more in relief. Is this no longer true?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 24, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming pitch f/x data from the AFL is correct,
most of his fastballs have been 87 or 88 mph in Arizona.
Needless to say, this is a small sample late in the season, so it’s not definitive, but Sickels’ sources say he was high-80s only touching 90 this season. It’s possible that he has some kind of crypto-injury.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Pitching through an injury for most of the season?
I’m sure the A’s would NEVER do that to a pitcher…….
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
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