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Because Daily may be setting expectations too high in the final flickering days of the postseason.   Be grateful for whatever Dumps may come your way. 

29 of the 60 newspapers that covered at least some games in the regular season do not have a reporter at the World Series, including of course the San Francisco Chronicle, the San Jose Mercury News, the Oakland Tribune, and the Contra Costa Times (the latter three functioning as one paper for this purpose).   I don't think this is the end of the world....I'm sure SuSlu would have given us an interesting Swisher anecdote or two if she were there, but if your team isn't in the playoffs, I don't think your beat reporter has to be there either.   Selig disagrees:

“It’s a manifestation of what’s happening in America,” Bud Selig, the baseball commissioner, said Sunday before Game 4 of the World Series. “I’m saddened by it. I think newspaper coverage over the years has enabled us to succeed much more than a lot of people understand so for me this is a very, very unhappy development.”

You might think with all that extra space in the press box, there would be extra tickets for Yankee fans who spent days camping out before the first two games, but no.  I was drawn to this AP video by the guy in the furry trooper hat who really looks like something out of the Onion News Network, but then when I watched it I was struck by the guy at :19 in wearing a camo jacket and.... an A's cap.  Who wears an A's cap to camp out for Yankees tickets?  Is he a mole?  A ticket scalper?  Was he planning to leap from his seat onto the field and strip down to his green-and-gold underpants and taunt Bud Selig?  Sadly, we'll never know since he did not get tickets. 

And I'm sorry, but centaurs are way lamer than unicorns and Mark Ellis would never in a million billion years do that. Plus if the ladies' principal impression is the art on your wall, you're doing something wrong. 

 

The lede to this story will bring a tear to your eye: 

Sitting in rocking chairs on the back porch, sipping beers, the three friends would talk about it: What if we could all play in the World Series someday?

Here is a shocking story of possible cheating at a high-profile tournament.....a high-profile Sudoku tournament that may have been scammed by a mysterious guy in a hoodie. 


And the latest speculation (no new facts that I can see) on the territorial rights to San Jose. 

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My feelings on any opinion, attitudes, platitude or casual remarks

from the mouth of Selig:

(ahem)

boo.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 2, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

...Followed by "yawn"

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Nov 2, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ladies' principal impression

Clearly, the pictures should be on the ceiling, not the wall.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 2, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 2, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So, Selig...

You gonna pay for airfare, salary, hotel… etc.? Are you that unhappy?

Day seized!

by JLaff on Nov 2, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also, EM

thank you for the proper spelling of lede. It makes me happy.

Day seized!

by JLaff on Nov 2, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sent me to the dictionary for that one!

Thanks for my new word of the day.

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Nov 2, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have mixed feelings on "lede".

On the one hand, it’s recent jargon from a single profession, which I don’t generally like. On the other hand, it does serve a good purpose and it doesn’t devalue any other valuable words, so if I’m a faithful adherent of Bernstein I ought to embrace it.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 2, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Put me in coach.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 5, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Combining crime and the A's?

I’m in.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rawr

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 5, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Links....

Yankees slow down the World Series

Giants find a replacement for Carney

Bored with the World Series already? Check out the end of season awards . I have particular interest in this one.

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Nov 2, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

your the 3rd person to link those awards today. :-)

go A’s relievers!

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 2, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A DLD without a video game reference?

this can not be!

scribblenauts webcomic

Dell is selling the Nintendo Wii for $179.99 plus free shipping. If you are still thinking about buying a Wii LB the deal expires tomorrow.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 2, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm slightly tempted by the Wii, probably because of the shamisen-playing ads

Would someone who’s never played any games other than that thing with the dinosaurs that came with the old iMacs really find it worth while?

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Nov 2, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Nintendo Wii was partially designed for people who haven't played a lot of video games

they wanted to make it acessible to non-gamers as well as fanboys.

My parents bought a Wii after I brought over mine and the family has had a lot of fun playing Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, Tetris Party, and Dr. Mario Rx.

That being said, I would try to find a friend or relative that owns one and try playing it first though. You could also try it at a video game store like Gamestop or Toys R Us but you can only play the game they have set up and you might be around strangers.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 2, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And

You could buy Super Mario Galaxy and Wii Sports Resort and then get The Metriod Prime Trilogy for free.

Buy 2 Wii games and get one free at Target

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

fan made

commerical for Super Mario Galaxy

I promise this is the last video game link for today.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...and you will come to a place

where the only thing you feel
are loaded guns in your face….

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 3, 2009 4:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So I just went to buy it and it's no longer on sale for $179. It's $199.

And I feel stupid for sweating $20 now…

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 3, 2009 4:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry man

I guess it expired at 12:00 am on the 3rd. The target deal is still there and that would save you $50 but only if you were going to buy 3 games anyways. You could save $100 by not buying any games.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 3, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it's like I said, I can't believe

I was sweating $20 that much. Silly.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm probably the only person under 30 on this site who actually gets this reference

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so what is it referencing? (spelling?)

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Joel song

One of the few pop musicians after 1960 I am at all familiar with.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A song called "Pressure" by Billy Joel

Interestingly, that song also contains a baseball reference.

How’s this for scary: I can also name the OTHER Billy Joel song that contains an explicit baseball reference.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Nov 3, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can think of at least two others.

I give you credit if the one you’re thinking of is not the one that also references two presidents, two movie stars, three Asian countries, a Broadway musical, and a car in the first four lines alone. Because that one feels like cheating.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely cheating...

There are enough references in that one that I once played an entire joke College Bowl round composed of nothing but questions relating to that song (of course, they didn’t tell us what the theme was ahead of time, or it would have been far too easy).

No, the one I was thinking of was Zanzibar.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Nov 3, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Z was my other as well

I wonder if there’s more.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, actually, a couple

Allusion to the Yankees in “Miami 2017 (Seen The Lights Go Out On Broadway)”.

Very vague reference to “stickball” in “Keeping the Faith.”

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Nov 3, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, you both know MORE about Billy Joel than me.

I hope I’m not the only one frightened a little by this.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 6:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to see him in concert in two weeks...

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Nov 4, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like a parent whose son has just come out of the closet

but if you like Billy Joel, then I guess it’s okay for me to profess my undying love for

Neil Diamond

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love Barry Manilow.

Not a fan of Neil, though.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(singing at the top of his voice)

AT THE COPA!
COPA CABANA!

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Her name was Leia

She was a princess…

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Nov 5, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And all the fellas used to say,

Your boyfriend Luke is surely gay…

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so what is it referencing? (spelling?)

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus, one would hope.

And I’m frightened that you get it.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on the other side of that fence...

I wish I could hand out pre-loaded MP3 players to everyone between the ages of 12 and 30

with

“Gaijin_Suketto’s compendium of Popular Music, 1937-2009”

and help the kids put everything in proper historical context.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hold you Wee for a Wii

Court Awards $16.5 million in wrongful death suit

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 2, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rickey needs to stay retired.

I don’t know what Jemile Weeks can do for Rickey at his advanced age…

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i heart you.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone have a fun Halloween?

Did you see this guy riding around SF? I’m jealous, I would wear this all season!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/11/02/halloween_critical_mass.DTL

Bob Geren, on 8/2/07, on the success of Alan Embree as new interim closer: "What can I say,... he's been our Steady Tremendous Bullpen Man"

by popcornjames on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

who's that supposed to be?

100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.

by fruitattack on Nov 2, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eck.

I never considered taking him out. I had a commitment to his heart. - Johnny King

by lynnzgal on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong uni though

By the time the A’s got Eck, IIRC, they’d already started wearing the all-white, button-down jerseys with “Athletics” on the front in cursive.

I love the costume, but that guy looks more like, I dunno, Chris Codiroli than Eck.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

EpEckFail

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Aw. I forgot that Gaudin is on the Yankees.

Makes me sad — all those housemates (Blanton, Gaudin, Swish, Harden, Huston) are elsewhere. Sigh. Just have to remind myself that better days are on the horizon… I hope…

by whiteshoes40 on Nov 2, 2009 5:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oOooo 4 pitchers

but I guess you can count Swisher as one too now

100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.

by fruitattack on Nov 2, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad compariosn there, Leipp.
“We never really saw him until this year,” Lieppman told MLB.com on Tuesday. “He’s not a fragile guy; it was kind of like [A’s infielder] Bobby Crosby, where he just got hurt playing the game, and the injuries kind of piled up in a hurry. It was frustrating for both sides, him and all of us in the organization, and this year was the first time we really got a look at him.”

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod X-Ray

Stewart: "What really needs to be clear is it wouldn't have mattered if there was an earthquake or not. We were going to beat the Giants.

by Elvez on Nov 3, 2009 12:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

his home run trot?

100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.

by fruitattack on Nov 3, 2009 1:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is awesome Elvez

I’m on the 3 day DL and having a painful day so thanks for the laugh.

by sirbed on Nov 3, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they kept you on the 40-man

I’d hate to see you taken away by another blog in the Rule V draft.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

New Layout

dont like it. Too much white space. It makes the boarders/spaced in between the objects too noticable.

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Nov 3, 2009 5:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can barely tell the difference

of course according to another post I’m slow (true) so maybe that’s why.

by sirbed on Nov 3, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you're slow?

like running?

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 3, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm real slow right now when it comes to running

as I hurt myself training to run a marathon (stupid idea for a mid 30’s golfer) as I can barely walk at the moment.

by sirbed on Nov 3, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wait.

so, you’re a preppy golfer who contemplates running in marathons?

…….

Why do we get along so well again?

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True that.

If I didn’t funnel pictures of me in my Little Orphan Annie wig with painted-on freckles to LB weekly, he’d fry my ass like bacon!

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blurb version:

“Little Orphan Annie … ass like bacon!” — Gaijin Suketo

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

it hurts my eyes

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyobdy even try testing out this new layout?

Seriously – this looks good?

Hey Al, just go away, baby.

by doctorK on Nov 3, 2009 8:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I put up a fANpost for new layout bitching!

That way they’ll actually see it

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Nov 3, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So, if you like music, and lists, and combinations of the two

you should look at this

It’s possibly the worst list I’ve ever seen. But, might serve as the impetus for one of my own..

by bobnothing on Nov 3, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ah, yes!

Getting older…

I’ve heard perhaps eight of these, own or owned six. I’m no longer relevant and will now turn to dust and blow away.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 3, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I only own one of those CD’s and I haven’t heard of many of those bands. Oh well I was never cool so I guess I’m just staying uncool.

by sirbed on Nov 3, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really, almost all of the records on this list are decidedly average, you're not missing out

I mean, no matter what you think of their actual choices, or order, or whatever, are they seriously suggesting that there has not been one dance / electronica record worth the time of day in the LAST TEN YEARS??

I find it unlikely, to be honest

by bobnothing on Nov 3, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Though I would find even less commonality with that list.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard a Moby CD but that's about the only dance/electronica

I’ve ever heard. Being a preppy golfer I mostly listen to Bing Crosby records at the mixers we have at the country club.

by sirbed on Nov 3, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bing wore a rug sometimes.

Does that count as a wig?

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dude, go with the chrome dome and the Sean Connery goatee.

You’ll not only get respect, but everybody will be hypnotized by the combination of the shine and the ‘stache. You’ll be golden, my boy!

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On that entire list, there are only seven

where I’ve even heard of the artist.

And that’s including “various artists”.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but the kids ain't heard of Charlie Parker or the Beatles, either.

This is too bad. Kids need more Charlie Parker and Beatles.

Some of the albums on that list are universal, and would fit just as well in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, or 90’s. Others on that list are a bunch of self important crap.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As usual, I blame the Beatles.

Goddamn kids with their goddamn electric guitars.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about the Beatles.

I’m pretty certain (I hope?) that kids these days know about The Beatles. They may have never listened to their albums, but it’s really hard to have gone without at least hearing a cover or reading about them at some point.

Bird, unfortunately, is long gone. I’m sure that at least some Beatles tracks would be well-received by kids, given the relative similarity of 60’s pop to today’s modern rock, but I can’t say the same about bop, sadly.

No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.

by danmerqury on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

50's teenybop did not age well,

but 50’s country, blues and r&b sure did.

Johnny Cash was OG.

“I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die” is more hardcore than any gangsta rap verse every written.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 4, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet there's rich folks eating in those fancy dining cars,

they’re probably drinking coffee and smoking big cigars.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 6:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

I only have a couple of those, the two Radioheads and the Sigur Ros. I’m thinking Paste magazine is an indie rock thing.

No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.

by danmerqury on Nov 3, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but a *very* safe one

I mean, there’s indie rock, which in and of itself isn’t necessarily a bad thing, and then there’s playing it safe, meat and potatoes, 6/10 offend no-one indie rock. The latter seems to be what Paste enjoys

by bobnothing on Nov 3, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I own exactly zero of these

Though I probably have some of the stuff that’s on the “O Brother Where Art Thou?” compilation.

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Nov 3, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you guys have never heard of The White Stripes?

Kanye West, Jay-Z, Amy Winehouse, OutKast, Beck, Death Cab for Cutie, or Coldplay?

I don’t own any albums on the list but I have a few White Stripes songs downloaded from itunes. BUT I have heard of the artists before.

Most of the ones I have heard of I either heard on Live 105.3 (alternative rock station in the bay area) or on Gutiar Hero.

I have heard of only 14 of the artists on the list and I think I saw a few with two albums.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 3, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard of all the people you mention except OutKast

and the Coldplay album is the one I own. I’ve heard some White Stripes songs and Beck but the only Beck album I own is from the 90’s.

by sirbed on Nov 3, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kanye West, Jay-Z and Amy Winehouse

were three of the seven I had heard of. The others were Loretta Lynn, “various artists”, and Radiohead twice.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(And I probably wouldn't have known

Kanye or Radiohead either if it weren’t for South Park.)

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

def. not

and the only thing I know about Amy Winehouse is that she seems to be a calculated train wreck.

I own a Pariohead and Loretta Lynn album—that’s another two of the six…

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 6:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's all I know about Amy, too.

I’ve seen her name in other discussions as an example of someone who is messed up. The only thing I know about Jay-Z is that he married Beyoncé.

So really, the only one I actually know as a musician, rather than as a cultural reference, is Loretta Lynn. And honestly I have no idea what she’s doing there, since I know her as a country singer who is a generation older than I am. Unless there’s a new one who adopted the name as a stage name, like Engelbert Humperdinck

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely one of the best albums of the decade

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 4, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Coldplay had a song on a TV commercial

and I heard it a bunch of times just from that.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 4, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I destroyed a couple of TV's because of that one...

gosh diggity, I really really dislike that band and wish horrible things on them.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 4, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but they wanna be big rock stars.

I thought they were being all ironical and stuff, til I saw the video and realized they were serious.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really like Coldplay

but then I’m a preppy golfer so it shouldn’t be a big surprise.

by sirbed on Nov 4, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you're a preppie golfer.

You’re supposed to.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry.

You’re a preppy.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good decision on your part Bloom

you don’t want to mess with a Colplay fan we’re badass!

by sirbed on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more scared of your sock puppet.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I own the White Stripes and the beck. Those two made my list of six.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 6:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys should listen to Surfjan Stevens and Wilco

they are pretty good, i love DriveBy truckers too, you guys haven’t heard the Oh brother where art thou soundtrack or movie?

by jahs34 on Nov 4, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DBT and O, Brother complete my six!

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I own the following from that list

47. Arctic Monkeys: Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not
34. Various artists: O Brother Where Art Thou?
33. Coldplay: A Rush Of Blood To The Head , tho i hated the following albums.
19. Beck: Sea Change
14.The Strokes: Is This It , one of my favorites , i have the uncensored european cover with the naked girl.
6. The White Stripes: Elephant
and both Radiohead albums.

I have never heard: Libertines, (tho i heard of them, and i have heard Babyshambles), The Jayhawks, Jens Lenkman, Gentleman Jesse, Iron & Wine, Pedro The Lion, Damien rice, Bon Iver, Over the Rhine, Patty Griffin, Josh Ritter ( is that John Ritter son?), The Avett Brothers and Gillian Welch.

My complain, it needs Speakerboxx/ The Love Below, and more Beck albums.

by jahs34 on Nov 4, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the 30+ crowd should have a music exchange with the 12-30 group.

Frankly, I’m surprised how few of you have heard of Radiohead, Arcade Fire, Wilco, the Decemberists, etc. Both groups would probably benefit from some musical education.

by LongLiveLangerhans on Nov 4, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Radiohead, especially.

At this point, it’s pretty much consensus that OK Computer and Kid A are two of the greatest albums ever made.

No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.

by danmerqury on Nov 4, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm 30

I like Dylan, Cash, Waits, Rolling Stones, Queen, 70’s funk, Prince, etc.

by jahs34 on Nov 5, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like all them, too.

I’m 39, though.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like them too.

And I’m 13.

Man, this feels good. Holy crap! I think I broke it!

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 5, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're 13?

Wait 15 seconds.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Poker Face by Lady Gaga

As read by Christopher Walken

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Nov 3, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

f'n awesome!

Christopher Walken should put out a multi-genre half spoken-word, half-crooned album.

He should work with Fatboy Slim on some tracks, David Byrne and Brian Eno, on others, and someone funky from Louisiana on the rest.

Yeah, and one bitter ex-lovers duet with (insert female pop star of your choice here), and one drunken old hoboes duet with Tom Waits.

It would be the best album ever.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He danced in a fatboy Slim video so that's a possibility...

"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." Gaylord Perry

by BERRYJO on Nov 5, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

while down in sacramento this weekend

and killing time before going to the airport. I stopped by the Sports Authority store off Truxel Road…..and saw an A’s Holliday jersey hanging on the rack…..cheap.

alaska A residing in northern Idaho.

by ak_A on Nov 3, 2009 8:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That first one is very very cool,

in spite of this abomination:

>:-(

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a movie chart, not a book chart.

Because otherwise, I’d be more offended at this abomination.

No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.

by danmerqury on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, I may have to bow to your superior Tolkien lore,

because I’m not seeing the problem with that one.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's been a while, but (spoilers)

didn’t Saruman and Wormtongue end up in the Shire at the end? I remember getting to the part where the ring was destroyed, and being surprised at the good chunk of pages still remaining.

No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.

by danmerqury on Nov 3, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, yes! You are correct.

I didn’t notice that the chart had their lines ending there.

I gather that in the movie they die there? I can totally understand why the movie would skip the Shire business at the end, especially considering how they played down the hobbit theme and up the Arwen-Aragorn theme.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Danmerqury for the win!

And I was disappointed they left that end piece out, but seeing as how the movie had 15 ending as is, cutting one more was probably prudent.

Of all the sins of the movie, the two most egregious in my mind were reducing Treebeard to that muppet on screen and Tom Bombadil on the cutting room floor (actually the script cutting room floor).

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't agree with that second one

Tom Bombadil is one of the great literary mistakes of all time. I wholeheartedly endorse a Soviet-purge style rewriting of history in his case.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Nov 4, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A vex on you!

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I concur that Bombadil is

problematic in the entire canon. I wouldn’t call it a literary mistake, though.

As a linguist who believed that any language is defined by its associated mythology, Tolkien set out to create a mythology, not a literary work. And it is a standard feature of mythologies that they are forced to take stories with different origins and somehow make them fit. You see that all over classical Greek mythology, not to mention most of the world’s main religions. This is not a flaw in mythologies, it is what gives them life. I prefer to see Bombadil in that context, not as a literary mistake of an author crafting a single novel, nor even as a lack of coordination by scriptwriters for a canonic television series like Star Trek.

But more to the point, while I agree that it is eminently sensible to purge Bombadil from the story for the sake of the movies, it’s not that simple. Because if you have no Bombadil, you can’t have the whole scene in the barrow downs. That scene is crucial to the development of the hobbits, and the development of the hobbits is the heart and soul of the story. There’s no easy answer to that problem. The movie solved it by the very drastic decision of abandoning the development of the hobbits altogether.

I can’t judge whether that worked or not. Maybe it was the right solution. In general, I don’t criticize a filmmaker from making drastic cuts because I believe that’s inherent in converting from book to film (and book to opera before that), and the most successful conversions have left out even more enormous parts of their original stories (eg, Dr Zhivago, Gone with the Wind; or Gounod’s Faust, Puccini’s La Bohème).

But the point is that just lifting Bombadil out is not trivial. It’s not like removing a tumor; it’s like removing a spleen.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

I don’t have a problem with that, I just think there are better ways to bring characters along than repeatedly having their chestnuts pulled out of the fire by enigmatic deus ex machina characters with near-limitless powers who are, however, strangely unwilling to actually exercise them.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is an odd situation.

I could see a rewrite being dramatically effective. Have them find their way out without ol’ Tom. Maybe have a fifth hobbit along who doesn’t make it.

I can also see that for the purpose of creating the movies, coming up with an effective rewrite there would be even more problematic than just excising the entire episode.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bombadil was my favorite when I first read LOTR

Or rather, when my dad first read it to me. We started with The Hobbit when I was six and I think between that and LOTR it took us more than two years. We went on a family vacation to the Black Hills during that time and at one point, I wandered off and got lost during a hike. Not seriously lost, I’m sure someone would have found me within ten or fifteen minutes, but the thing was, when I realized I was all by myself in the woods I was scared for a moment and then I thought, “Oh, I know what I’m supposed to do!” so I started singing “Ho! Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadillo…”

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I love you a lot now.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know I do

Hey Al, just go away, baby.

by doctorK on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's really really cute.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed.

and EXACTLY what Tom Bombadil was for!

(sticks tongue out at PT)

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was very, very, very disappointed that the movies

dropped the part where the Hobbits go back to the Shire to find Wormtongue and Saruman.

To me, the books were about the little people (figuratively and literally) playing a part in the world events that affected everyone. They grow and change as people and eventually save the day. Perhaps they lost some of themselves it the ordeal, but they’ve gained a lot inside.

When they get back to the Shire though, they find that one of the last innocent places in the world has been assaulted. They use what they have become to save the people and the place that matters the most to them. The whole story, large and affecting all, doesn’t really hit home until that point.

This is just me though. It’s been awhile since I read the books straight through and I could be missing something.

by LoneStranger on Nov 5, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, that part gone sucked too.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As I understand it,

it was a larger decision not to pursue the whole theme of the hobbits’ place in the world, so omitting the scouring of the Shire would be consistent with that.

By the way, you should read the books again. They are awesome. Earlier this year I decided to finally watch the movies, but I wanted to read the books again first. So I read the books, but then never got around to watching the movies. And now I don’t have a DVD player.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 5, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

they're pretty expensive.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 5, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the part (IIRC) with which iglew has such a problem.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

correct

Legolas even makes a comment about how he is the only elf there.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yuppers.

whiny little pointy-eared bitch that he was.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do Tolkien elves have pointy ears?

I never knew that.

<Googles>

I am flabbergasted but at the same time not at all surprised to find that someone has written an essay on exactly that question.

I’ll have to mark it for later reading. Gotta run now.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't all elves (and Vulcans) have pointy ears?

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is the nerdiest question I've ever seen Bloom

now let’s talk about something macho like Coldplay

by sirbed on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and colin, this is awesome.

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like a BART map

if only BART had that many trains….or traveled further distances…. {sigh}

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Nov 4, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, much of the travel in LOTR is done between midnight and 5 AM

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, much of the travel in LOTR is done between midnight and 5 AM

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice control there, Padilla

Pitcher shoots himself in thigh

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Nov 4, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd say go back to

PlaxMexico

but he’s Nicaraguan.

"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 4, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Nov 4, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When I saw the link on SFGate

I didn’t realize the link title (Dodgers’ Padilla shoots himself in the leg) was literal at first.

I don't think any one decision makes your life... unless you accidentally invent some kind of zombie virus or something.

by goldfish on Nov 4, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw the link this morning on SI.com

It said something to the effect of “Dodger treated for gunshot wound”. My reaction? Padilla, surprise surprise.

No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.

by danmerqury on Nov 4, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just what you've always wanted...

You too can smell like Derek Jeter. SFGate link.

I don't think any one decision makes your life... unless you accidentally invent some kind of zombie virus or something.

by goldfish on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wear this cologne

and Jessica Alba will want to sleep with you.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 5, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That can never be bad.

Like ever.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 5, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When she's 70, I'll be 86.

I’m pretty sure I’ll still want her.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Nov 5, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

si

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 5, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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