DLD 11/11/09 - Veterans Day and Baseball
by JLaff on Nov 11, 2009 8:57 AM PST
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Happy Veterans Day to all those who have served our country, and to those who are overseas now.
via assets.mediaspanonline.com
A's pitcher and WWII vet Lou Brissie
Military doctors said, "Amputate the leg." The corporal with a contract to play Major League Baseball said, "No."
A star in the textile baseball league of South Carolina, Leland Lou Brissie of North Augusta turned down a signing bonus with the Dodgers before signing with the Philadelphia A's. His baseball career was set. And then came World War II."The Dodgers made an offer with a $25,000 bonus, but I turned it down to sign with the Athletics. I signed in 1941, and the deal was I attend college for three years and then report to the ball club. That never happened. The war came along and most of us didn't get our three years in."
Brissie enlisted in the 88th Infantry Division of the United States Army in 1942. In the spring of 1944, his unit was sent to Italy to combat the Axis powers. On Dec. 7, 1944, Brissie's life changed forever.
A story about some Athletics during the Great Depression and World War II
When the total loss of players to the war effort was calculated, the Athletics had contributed more personnel, 36, than any other team in baseball.
But the Athletics had finished last in 1941, before the war. The couldn't blame military inductions for their poor showing. Throughout the war, with the exception of an aberrational fifth-place finish in 1944, the American League cellar remained in the sole possession of the Athletics.
And of course, 1944 was also the year the St. Louis Browns turned the baseball world on its ear by winning the American League Pennant!
As the players returned from the war, there were massive roster changes throughout the league. For the Athletics the 1946 season meant another cellar finish, but things were looking better. In 1947, the Athletics produced their first winning season in 15 years, gaining a fifth-place finish.
This is a long read, but a damn good one about WWII vet and Hall of Famer Ted Williams by John Updike.
For me, Williams is the classic ballplayer of the game on a hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill.
More links:
Baseball GMs say "no" to expanding instant replay
Derek Jeter hits well enough to win Gold Glove
"Moneyball" movie might be on again
Yay, the week is half-over!
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SuSlu on the quest for third base
Not sure there’s anything new, but it’s good to see Susan’s byline and to know that Billy and Forst are off to the Dominican today to look at some prospects. Also, Duke update.
It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.
by Englishmajor on Nov 11, 2009 9:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's encouraging news on Duchscherer
Regardless of whether he comes back to Oakland or not, it’s good to hear that he’s healthier
by bobnothing on Nov 11, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he could pick up where he left off before the injury,
It’d be huge for the rotation. Would he really command a lot on the FA market?
by brian.only on Nov 13, 2009 1:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, JLaff.
That is all.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 11, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Silly me.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 11, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about southern tradition...
Nothing should ever be served on Wonder Bread, ever!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone in my neighborhood has a vicious enemy
Either that, or Shelob has moved to Sunnyvale.
Hey Al, just go away, baby.
by doctorK on Nov 11, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Prospectus' Kevin Goldstein
with a Minor League Update (subscription required):
Grant Desme, OF, Athletics (AFL: Phoenix)
Yesterday’s stats:Did not play
Desme hasn’t hit a home run in his last eight games, after pounding out ten in his first 12. Still he’s hitting .370/.457/.802, and I’m not sure there’s a prospect generating more debate in baseball right now. I’ve talked to three scouts this week who saw him at various stages of the season. One saw him at Low-A Kane County, one saw him at High-A Stockton, and one saw him in Arizona. All three had wildly varying opinions on Desme, with projections ranging from never getting to the big leagues, to hitting 30 home runs there. We know he has power, we know he has speed, we know he strikes out at a disturbingly high rate, and he’s also incredibly streaky. Throw in the age factor because of all the injuries and there are just so many big positives and glaring negatives that it’s just plain hard to figure him out.
"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying" - Ichiro
by Philip Christy on Nov 11, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the update
I really need to get around to buying bp.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 11, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a life conundrum.
When you don’t have a job, you can’t afford it.
Now that you do have a job, you can afford it, but you won’t have time to use it!
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
its really a bitch.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 11, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is savings.
That’s also the answer to why our economy is in the shitter, in spite of all the GDP whores who say we need to go out and spend more to stimulate the economy.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it's true to an extent.
We do have to spend in order to stimulate the economy (and thus, create jobs, build up the housing market again, etc). Just not to the point of pre 2007 financial recklessness that caused the collapse in the first place.
by Tripp on Nov 11, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I gave the wrong impression with
my vulgar language. I am not unfamiliar Keynesian economics. I am challenging its validity in our current situation.
Or more precisely, I’m challenging the way in which some of its simpler principles are commonly applied. The fundamental error, which I hinted at in the earlier post, is equating GDP with “the economy”.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but given the bluntness
of financial stimulus, the government would arguably be doing the same thing, even if its measure of “the economy” was “people actually, you know, having jobs”/
by colin on Nov 12, 2009 6:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If jobs are the goal we have numbers on that,
no need to use an imperfect proxy.
I was trying to stay general with this, as soon as we start talking about actual current programs it becomes too political for AN, so that’ll be my last word in this topic.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 12, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure how my savings has anything to do with it.
The problem with our GDP is almost none of it comes from long term investment in an economic sense rather than a fiscal sense. We “create” wealth by shifting paper around and charging ourselves for it but what we actually make has declined while we focused on industries that don’t really do anything but create paper wealth. The problem is that the paper wealth house of cards started to collapse and we started to realize how little true wealth we had.
But as far as BP goes, I can’t save time to read it now that I can afford it. When I was unemployed my lack of spending to save my money kept me from being able to justify the cost.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 14, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
You still won’t be able to read BP now. What you do is you keep your spending to what it was when you were unemployed and pile up the difference in a savings account. Then when you’re done with this job and are unemployed again, you’ll have a big pile of savings to live off of for a while. It’s during that time that you have money and time simultaneously. But only if you save up now, otherwise you’ll just be broke again next time you’re unemployed.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 14, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of
I mean I did a lot of cost deferral while I was unemployed so there are things that I need to spend money on now. Usually I work too much to spend my money on things other than food or booze though.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 14, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland A's baby...
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
by MMunoz33 on Nov 11, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
History lesson
A colleague at work, who is about my age, didn’t know this, so plenty of younger folks probably don’t either.
November 11 is the date on which the armistice was signed between France and Germany, ending World War One. To complete the numerical cuteness, they signed it at 11:00 in the morning. (Not sure what time zone; something in Europe, I assume.)
For many years we celebrated it as “Armistice Day”, but after World War Two the name was changed so that it would honor those who served in all wars, not just the first one.
Several other nations, particularly in Europe, celebrate the same day as a holiday. Many of them have also renamed it. In Britain (and Canada), it is “Remembrance Day”.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I learned that last night while watching the Sharks game!
Great stuff.
by LoneStranger on Nov 11, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you veterans
For your sacrifice and service to the country. For giving us the freedom that we have day in and day out. For the protection you provide for us. Thank you veterans.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
by muffinpryde on Nov 11, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always forget about Remembrance Day.
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
by monkeyball on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Damon
Johnny Damon wants to return to the Yankees, but is looking for contractual stability as well.
“His durability is off the charts,” agent Scott Boras said. “Chronological age does not have anything to do with a player of his genetics. Certainly you have to look at the Yankees’ history and what they’ve paid players of his like age who maybe did not have his genetics.”
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 11, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So, Scott, what you're saying is that he's very eu-genic?
Did I hear that correctly?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 11, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Damon's sperm + test tube = master race?
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 11, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just get out your cranial calipers and measure his head yourself
Both his “gritty” lobe and his “durability” sector are just off the charts.
…didn’t ANY of you study Phrenology?
by cityplANner on Nov 11, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hilarious
I’m waiting for him to explain that the secret for Damon’s longevity is that “he does not avoid women, but he does deny them his essence”
by colin on Nov 11, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only drinks unfluoridated water
Can’t contaminate the vital juices.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 11, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and pure distilled grain alcohol.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 11, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He really is a caveman.
He’s 10,000 years old!
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW - so the gene sequencing experiment has led to this....
Now that the genome is sequenced we can use it to predict the longevity of baseball players and their porpensity for injuries!! Do you think Boras has a genetic profile in ALL his clients???
by Berry Jo on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
porpensity (por·pen·si·ty): the quality, state, or condition of being a porpoise
1. Joe Blanton has large amounts of porpensity.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 11, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark McGwire
The St. Louis Cardinals are still figuring out how hitting coach Mark McGwire will eventually meet with the media and whether he will end his long silence on questions about his alleged connection to performance-enhancing drugs.
General manager John Mozeliak said the team is still in the planning stages of working out how it will formally reintroduce McGwire to Cardinals fans and the media. McGwire did not attend a news conference to announce his hiring late last month.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 11, 2009 12:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Ken Griffey Jr. has reached agreement on a one-year deal to return to the Seattle Mariners in 2010 in what will be his 22nd year in the majors.
The deal is similar to the 2009 contract that paid Griffey a base salary of $2 million and earned him $3.15 million total with incentives, a source said.
Griffey, who turns 40 on Nov. 21, ranks fifth on Major League Baseball’s career list with 630 home runs.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 11, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Last Hurrah?
I imagine that was a “butts in the seats” move, and I wouldn’t look down upon a year long ‘final season’ celebration.
by LoneStranger on Nov 11, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey was the best player in the game when I grew up.
Loved watching Jr. play, even though he was in the other dugout.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
same here, but he's overcooked now...
I’d hate for him to get burned and crusty…
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 11, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Curtis Granderson
Quick, what would you trade to get this guy? Me, a lot.
by jeffro on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What does Detroit want?
One of the commenters suggested a #2 starter and two blue chip prospects. I’m not sure who counts as a #2 starter on our rotation of younguns. Anderson looks like maybe a #1. Most of the rest are more like prospects.
I’m curious what makes a fair deal from our system. Anderson-Cardenas-Cunningham? Braden-Carter-Wallace?
I don’t think I’d want to make that trade in any case, though having Granderson would be undeniably awesome.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
No way to those deals. What’s the point of Granderson if you have no one else good? What about Sweeney, Cahill, Weeks, and Simmons?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that would not get the deal done.
If it does, I’m for it. Weeks is the only one I’d miss at all. I like Sweeney, but Granderson more than replaces him. Cahill and/or Simmons might become a solid starter some day, but that doesn’t bother me. I didn’t mind it with Harang, or even Bonderman. On the list of SPs I care about keeping in the system, Cahill ranks #6 and Simmons is somewhere beyond #10
(Just to clarify, I am not in favor of either of the offers I floated in the previous comment. In particular, I don’t want to give up Anderson nor Carter. I’m just speculating about what might be fair.)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney actually had a higher WAR than Granderson last season
While Sweeney may regress and Granderson rebound it is food for thought. I myself wouldn’t do that deal.
by DeJay on Nov 12, 2009 4:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would get the deal done and is an overpay in my book.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 14, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, OK.
In that case make it a lesser package and I’m even more in favor of it.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 14, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cahill Weeks and Leon would get it done I would think.
So take Sweeney out and put in a asset that is more geared to winning later and doesn’t suck like Simmons.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 14, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a low opinion of Simmons,
and I think you probably have a higher opinion of Sweeney than I do. (On Leon, we’re probably about the same.)
The point being that Leon doesn’t really feel like that much less than Sweeney+Simmons to me.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 15, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well to me Simmons isn't worth very much with his poor season and shitty AFL
so hes kinda a nonentity. Ryan Sweeney is a significantly above average starter at either CF or RF. He is conservatively worth $24.75m in surplus value.
When you add in the 25.75m that Granderson is going to make (assuming his option doesn’t get picked up) Granderson would have to produce just slightly less than 4 WAR a year over the next three years to be break even with giving up Sweeney alone. Weeks is worth about $5.5m and Cahill lets say is worth 7.5 (a Sickles grade B for pitchers) So essentially youre giving up $63.5m in value in that trade for Granderson, who would have to be a 4.7 WAR player in the three years to make it an even deal.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 15, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would definitly like Granderson on the A's
but I would be worried about how he performed in the Coliseum.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a better trade target on the Detroit roster
and no, I’m not about to indulge my Carlos Guillen rosterbation fantasies again. I’m talking about Brandon Inge, who should come pretty cheaply if Detroit is dumping payroll (as they seem to be). I think the A’s could probably get him for one or two C+ prospects.
Dombrowski really did a number on himself with all the bad contracts he’s handed out lately. The Tigers actually are going to have an increased payroll next season even with the loss of Polanco, and even with nontendering all of their marginal players and not signing a single free agent.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 11, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me to the punch!
A Detroit fire sale is becoming a real possibility. Inge offers great 3B defense, a better bat than Kennedy, and won’t be around long enough to really block our top prospects. It lets Wallace spend another year in AAA and we wouldn’t have to carry an extra emergency catcher on the 40 man roster in case Powell goes down since he’s got so much experience behind the plate.
For two C+ prospects? Yes, please.
by cityplANner on Nov 11, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this too
To throw some numbers out there:
*According to Cot’s, the Tigers have $100M in obligations for 2010, and that accounts for just 10 players. They have to pay $22M for Nate Robinson and Dontrelle Willis!
*Brandon Inge is owed $6.6M for 2010, but that’s it. As it stands now, there is definitely room on the Oakland payroll.
*At 3rd base, Inge seems to sit around +10 UZR/150. He seems to handle the outfield just fine too, though the samples are pretty small. He made 56 starts at catcher as recently as 2008. Putting these three things together and Oakland can pretty well guarantee him playing time, even in the unlikely event that Chavvy is healthy.
*Looking past his gaudy HR total from last year, he’s not really a very good hitter. He strikes out a lot, but doesn’t walk to make up for it. His 2009 BABIP was only .279, but that doesn’t seem to be out of line for his career.
But this could be a spot where the A’s can use their vanishingly small current payroll to their benefit. Paul’s suggestion of 2 C+ prospects might not really be far off. Beltre and Figgins might draw the attention of other teams who are in need of a 3rd baseman.
by colin on Nov 11, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know what his Elias ranking is?
If we could net some draft pick after the ’10 season, even better
by cityplANner on Nov 11, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoops
That’s Nate Robertson, of course. Whatever his name is, it’s crazy to think that Detroit is paying $10M next year to a guy who was demoted to (mostly) bullpen work in 2009 and had a K/BB of 1.25
by colin on Nov 11, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's even crazier is that the $34M albatross on the back of the Detroit rotation
(can’t forget Jeremy “career 4.78 ERA” “81 IP in the last two seasons” Bonderman and his $12M 2010 salary either) is entirely made up of players who were signed to pre-free-agency contracts. They didn’t even have leverage at the time they were given those ridiculous extensions.
The Ordonez albatross is understandable; they got a lot of value out of the front end of that deal and now they’re paying the price on the back end. But the pitcher contracts are just inexplicable.
Did I mention they have essentially zero farm system? It could be a hell of a lot worse, folks.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 11, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I somehow missed Bonderman when I was looking at that list. $22M for bad pitching had already floored me. I just managed to pick myself up and now you hit me with this!
by colin on Nov 12, 2009 6:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This year was Detroit's last chance...
They’re going to be staining the bottom of the toilet in that division really soon.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 12, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, really?
I can’t find grades for this year, but on Sickels’ list before the season the C+ guys were Corey Brown, Andrew Bailey, Tyson Ross, Josh Donaldson, Fautino de los Santos, Sam Demel, Rashun Dixon, Jason Christian, Arnold Leon, Petey Paramore.
Bailey has graduated. Of the rest, even taking the good ones from that list (ie, Brown, Donaldson, Leon, FDLS, Ross), I think I’d do any pair from that. I’m trying to think what pair would make me most reluctant — probably Brown and Leon (I love Corey Brown) — that still sounds reasonable to me. And those guys are probably B- grades by now. If you’re looking at the bottom of that list, like Petey Paramore and Jason Christian? Uh, yeah, in a heartbeat!
I think Inge with one year of contract at a medium price is a fine fit for the A’s. If he’s obtainable without giving away the really good prospects (ie, Carter, Wallace, Cardenas), then he just jumped to the top of my list of 3B targets, ahead of Beltre, Figgins, Glaus, etc.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Inge looks like a league average ~2 WAR player. That’s nearly a 2 win upgrade from the 2009 A’s but without major improvements elsewhere Inge won’t be part of the next truly competitive A’s team. And he’s not particularly cheap at ~13 million over the next two years. And you want to give up arguably the best A’s pitching prospect in the minors and a pretty good CF prospect? Why?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 11, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, what?
I want to give up the best pitching prospect in the minors? No, I want to get Inge at a bargain price, which is what Paul implied is possible. Leon + Brown is what I singled out as the most expensive price possibly within the equation, for the sake of comparison. I think that price is fair, and I think I might pull the trigger on that deal. But that’s a close call, not what I want.
What I want is to get him for “one or two” (preferably one!) C+ prospects, like Paul suggested. Something like Simmons + Dixon is what makes me jump up and down saying “yes, yes!”.
As for Inge’s value, well, I want us to sign a stopgap 3B. Unlike many here, I think Beltre is a prime candidate for falling off a cliff, even if we could get him, which I don’t think we can. I think Figgins will be expensive if he’s even available, and the rest of the 3B FAs (including Kennedy) do not impress me at all. I don’t see what’s so awful about a 2 WAR player at 3B, to replace the current black hole. What’s your alternative? To put Wallace or Cardenas in there now? To just suck?
Also, I was under the impression Inge’s contract is for just one more year. Where do you get that $13M/2? Cots says $6.6/1. If he really is signed for two years that dampens my enthusiasm slightly, though I’d still give two C+’s for him.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The best A'S pitching prospect in the minors
is in my view Arnold Leon. You’re right about Inge’s contract. I forgot 2009 is over. Duh.
I’d infinitely rather have Beltre than Inge. Inge has had WARs higher than Beltre twice: once last year by 1 run and in 2005. Oh, and Beltre is two years younger. It comes down to price. If Beltre gets 10+ million or 3+ years, I’m out. I’m fine with Inge if the cost is a true throw-in or slightly better: a guy like Matt Spencer or Matt Sulentic. I probably wouldn’t even give up Simmons OR Dixon.
Inge makes sense on a winning A’s team with a complete hole at 3b. But why give anything of value for an improvement at 3b for one season without any other improvements?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 12, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you and I differ on several points here.
For one, you like Beltre a lot more than Inge. I don’t.
For another, you seem to subscribe to the idea that minor improvements to the team in a non-contending year is meaningless I don’t.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 12, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Leon and Brown are not C+ prospects
Brown is at least a B-, Leon easily a B grade.
I’d be horrified by that trade, but it certainly shouldn’t have to come to that. I’m talking about something like Inge for Matt Sulentic.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 11, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I get that.
I even mentioned in the original comment that they were C+ last year and have upgraded to B’s by now, but I guess I wasn’t clear.
I remain un-horrified by the thought of giving up Brown and Leon (and I say that as one who loves Corey Brown), but am pleased as punch if it is unnecessary.
I remain very happy to give up Simmons and Dixon for Inge, and I would be ecstatic to get him for only Sulentic.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 12, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even by your "all wins are equally valuable" rhetoric,
giving up Brown and Leon for one season of Brandon Inge is completely batshit insane crazy stupid. I’m actually running out of adjectives to describe how awful that would be.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 12, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I have mis-evaluated.
I know that you and I disagree on some fundamental priorities, and also on some minor matters of personal preference among players, and these often lead to differing opinions.
But behind all that I know you are a better judge of these things than I am, so your comments in this case make me think my instincts were wrong here. That would also account for why I was completely flabbergasted at what a low price you initially suggested for Inge; evidently a big part of my surprise is that I’m simply overrating him.
This is why I’m not GM.
(Still thrilled about the idea of getting Inge for just Sulentic though!)
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you heard a bunch of stuff about him in the early part of last year,
you might have an overly optimistic opinion of his skills, because he was on fire for the first 3 months or so of last season. He then basically collapsed in the second half and couldn’t hit a beach ball from July on.
Basically, my theory on how much Inge is worth is that he’s probably worth about 2 wins next year plus the possibility of comp picks minus the salary that he’s due to make, plus maybe some speculative value from the possibility of him re-upping after 2010 at a cut-rate price. I’m rather surprised to see that this year he was not even a Type B free agent, which is a real negative to his value.
In light of that, I can’t see Detroit landing much for him. A C+ prospect is worth roughly the difference between his salary due and his projected value next season, but more than that and you’re getting into overpayment land.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 12, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How does he compare to Kennedy?
Suppose that we don’t get a real 3B for short-term or long-term and we don’t want to promote Wallace or Cardenas prematurely. In that case we’re looking to fill in 3B with whatever we can put in there. Setting aside any questions of cost, is Inge better or worse than Kennedy? Better defense at least, right?
Also, what’s the story on his injury? Something with his knees, right?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 12, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, he's clearly an upgrade on Kennedy
Higher upside with the bat and they’re not even remotely comparable on defense.
But I think Kennedy next year will be a cipher, so it’s not hard for someone to improve on him.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 12, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Cipher? Kill him!
Uhh, the Ciphers are the bad guys from Battlestar Galactica, right?
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 13, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Edwin Jackson?
Detroit looks to be shopping anybody and everybody, and there have been a number of stories about Jackson specifically. Fox sports had mentioned rumors of a Jackson for George Sherril swap. Unverified rumors like that should be taken with a ton of salt but if the price for Edwin Jackson is anywhere in the vicinity of an established quality reliever I would love to see the A’s try to make a move.
by DiegoAsFan on Nov 11, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not much of a fan of Jackson, but certainly I'd take him at that cut-rate price
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 11, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Tigers do that Jackson could just be moved to the bullpen if you want to crush his value
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 14, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to in any way detract from the importance of this day,
because as muffinpryde so succinctly put it, we definitely owe a debt of gratitude to our vets (okay, tearing up), but this made me chuckle.
I never considered taking him out. I had a commitment to his heart. - Johnny King
by lynnzgal on Nov 11, 2009 5:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
I actually still own one pair of corduroy pants.
Which I just changed into, thank you very much.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 11, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're adorable!
When I think of corduroy, I think of that SATC episode where Steve’s idea of a suit is all about the corduroy. I used to look down on it, now I just want some, with a man inside.
And there’s no time like the present to start planning your outfit for 11/11/11, which the Corduroy Club says will be will be “the greatest day ever.”
I laughed.
I never considered taking him out. I had a commitment to his heart. - Johnny King
by lynnzgal on Nov 11, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always admired Ted Williams
wartime service. Can you imagine the career he might have had if not for the war? But what’s really surprising is that a bonafide superstar would strap himself into a fighter plane and place himself in harms way. Not once, but twice. And to top it all off, he made the transition from prop driven aircraft to fighter jets. From all accounts, Ted was a very good military pilot.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Nov 11, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A slighty A's themed wedding - cool!
WHAT MADE THE DAY UNIQUE
Baseball played a major role in our reception theme. Chris is huge Oakland As fan and plays in a weekly softball league. The wedding was unique because we incorporated baseball ideas in a classy and modern way. Chris, with the help of Susanne at Card de Luxe, created our A’s inspired monogram. These monograms were used in all of our stationary and Brandon at Elle Music & Events created a custom gobo to project our monogram onto large banners at SFDC. Chris, Michelle and Susanne incorporated baseball throughout the reception: baseball ticket name cards, baseballs for guests to autograph in addition to our guestbook, baseballs as table numbers, baseball scorecard table menus, and a custom-made bobble head of us in our wedding attire in lieu of a cake topper. We even organized our seating chart as if it were a baseball stadium. Guests were seated in the following sections: Diamond Level, MVP, Plaza Level, Plaza Reserved and Bleachers, going in order from closest to the dancefloor to farthest, like how a ballpark goes closest to field to farthest.
I don’t read wedding magazines, my wife saw it while looking for ideas for my sister’s wedding in January.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Nov 11, 2009 10:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which....
my anniversery is on opening day. Wonder if the wife would go for a baseball themed celebration? This will be number 24, so if she does go for it then that can only mean one thing.
She’ll be expecting something very expensive for number 25.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Nov 12, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has this not been posted? Because it's fantastic.
Somebody animated the Dock Ellis LSD No-hitter story.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Nov 12, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love you.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Nov 12, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha that was pretty funny
Only one question, true story or no? I want to say no way but I’m still really young so I really have no clue. And I’m trying not to look stupid asking but I’m not sure.
by Twan54321 on Nov 12, 2009 3:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Doc Ellis?
Yup, true.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 12, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Lee pitched a game on acid, too
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 12, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw A Midsummer's Night's Dream on acid once.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was the cleaner for a hitman once--
we cut off all the limbs and heads and filled the bathtub with acid and….
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 13, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now is not a time for jokes...
…back to business here…
I can’t believe they made you use a bathtub, LB!
Every body disposal team since the f’n 70’s has sworn by above-ground pool liners. They don’t leak. They take forever to decompose, much longer than any statute of limitations, and any good mafia organization has at least one plastics company or pool construction company to front the materials without arousing suspicion.
Sereiously, dude… stop eating magnets, and step on up to pool liners
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 13, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm writing this down
Finally I learned something today!
by sirbed on Nov 13, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
DON’T EAT MAGNETS!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 13, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that depends on if you believe Dock Ellis (the guy narrating) or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_Ellis
It seems like a weird thing to make up. I like this quote, from his wikipedia page:
I started having a crazy idea in the fourth inning that Richard Nixon was the home plate umpire, and once I thought I was pitching a baseball to Jimi Hendrix, who to me was holding a guitar and swinging it over the plate.
Too bad they didn’t animate that.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Nov 12, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it's true...
There’s a little bit of Nixon in every umpire!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 12, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're not gonna have old Tim McClellan to kick around anymore! Oh, no!
by cityplANner on Nov 12, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mrs. McClellan doesn't have a mink coat.
But she does have a respectable umpire cloth coat. And, well, she looks kinda silly in it.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 13, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm do I go with the Checkers joke or the I'm not a crook joke here?
by sirbed on Nov 13, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just flash two victory signs and get on the damn helicopter!
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 13, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely going off on a tangent,
one of my favorite moments in all of Futurama is the episode where they introduce Richard Nixon’s head (like everyone else “historical”, he’s been preserved in the year 3000 in a glass jar full of water).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvYm68dOQ4k (this moment in particular)
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 13, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Noooo!!!!!!!!!!
I f Burton Guster joins the Angels how can I continue to hate them? I already have trouble hating Torii Hunter.
by jeffro on Nov 13, 2009 8:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What about Hummingbird Saltalamacchia?
…
I may revise my opinion on that trade. The Angels farm system sucks. If they’re even in the discussion… Detroit may not actually be asking for that much.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 13, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad the Angels' farm system sucks,
and the Rangers have money woes.
It makes me feel warm and fuzzy about the future.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 13, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then you think about the work Zduriencik is doing up north
At least we’ll have one rival.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 13, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Angles had a very good draft this year.
Their farm system is on the rebound.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 14, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did they?
I wasn’t impressed. They got a lot of guys who have the upside of Kendry Morales and are very unlikely to reach it.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 14, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grichuk and Trout are pretty hit or miss but high upsides Skaggs was a good pick IMO
some people think well of Loker.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 14, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shrug
I mean, it’s almost impossible for them to miss on every pick when they had like 6 of them. Someone’s going to come out of that group and be pretty good. That doesn’t really make it a “good draft” though.
I disagree about Grichuk and Trout having high upsides. Corner types with no plate discipline have very poor upsides.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 15, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think Trout is a corner type?
he was one of the fastest players in the draft and improved his plate discipline with regards to breaking balls his senior year.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 15, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Possible I’m just confused.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 15, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the A's were rumored to be interested in drafting him.
His PGcrosschecker scouting report really doesn’t resemble what you wrote above.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 17, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rollover minutes.....so glad I have them....
I wouldn’t want to have to do this….
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Nov 13, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
and you all wonder why the hell I want out of this state...
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 13, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody wants some.
I want some, too.
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 13, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LB, really
you’ve got to move my speed-dial away from your 911 speed-dial. We can’t go through this every week when you’re drunk and feeling frisky.
by cityplANner on Nov 13, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I WAS OUT OF MINUTES!!!!!
Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor
by Leopold Bloom on Nov 13, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's going at it all wrong
You wait for an officer to pull you over, THEN you make your move.
Day seized!
by JLaff on Nov 13, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how many people watched this until the end
but I find it weird that with about a minute left the song changes from a “fun” “ooo cops and robbers hooking up” to a break up song. That kind of ruined the song for me. Plus, Lil Wayne with a guitar? Can he even play or was he just holding it for show?
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Nov 13, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they're two separate songs
I think the video just wanted to promote the other one. I don’t know.
And I’m not sure about Lil Wayne and a guitar. I’m leaning yes.
Day seized!
by JLaff on Nov 13, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, OK
That is kind of cool that they used the same woman in both music video’s. Well, kind of. It still kind of cheapens the 1st song IMO but i guess it’s just a fictional relationship in a rap video so I don’t know why i care so much.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Nov 13, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is maybe the dumbest guy in Florida
or maybe par for the course according to Bloomy.
by sirbed on Nov 13, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in his defense,
maybe it was an emergency….
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 13, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Priapism?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 13, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guy A- "Hey, buddy, I'm texting my doctor. How do you spell Priapism?"
Guy B- “I don’t know, but how long’s it been?”
Guy A- “As long as it’s always been…. except now it’s turning black!”
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 13, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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