Community Prospect List #14
by Zonis on Nov 1, 2009 4:56 PM PST
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Due to demand, I have removed much of the introductory text from the threads, as well as the stats for those whom have been voted onto the list already, in order to make it easier for people to scroll all the way down.
If you have any cases for prospects, keep them coming!
For Reference: Scout's Mid-Season Top 50.
Prospects up for Vote:
Dustin Coleman, SS, Age 22
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B STO (oak) A+ 26 .220 .304 .330 1 8 2 14 4 KAN (oak) A 93 .254 .345 .410 8 42 18 56 22
Pedro Figueroa, SP, Age 23
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP KAN (oak) A- 18 10-2 3.23 86.1 89 31 76 0 1.39 STO (oak) A+ 11 3-4 3.56 56.2 62 35 67 0 1.48
Ben Hornbeck, SP, Age 21
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP MID (oak) AA 1 0-1 16.20 76.2 5 4 1 0 2.70 STO (oak) A+ 21 5-4 3.52 3.1 64 32 111 1 1.25
Anthony Capra, SP, Age 22
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP STO (oak) A+ 9 2-2 3.12 52 42 21 67 0 1.21 KAN (oak) A 18 4-7 3.24 100 70 40 103 0 1.10
Sam Demel, RP, Age - 23
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP MID (oak) AA 27 0-2 0.61 29.1 23 9 26 11 1.09 SAC (oak) AAA 28 2-3 3.62 32.1 27 21 33 3 1.48
Max Stassi, C, Age 18
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B VAN (oak) SS 13 .286 .340 .367 0 8 0 3 4
Brad Kilby, RP, Age 26 - Video
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP OAK MLB 11 1-0 0.53 17.0 10 4 10 0 0.82 SAC (oak) AAA 45 4-2 2.13 63.1 40 24 77 2 1.01
Henry Rodriguez, RP, Age 22 - Video
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP SAC (oak) AAA 37 2-1 5.77 43.2 38 38 71 4 1.74 STO (oak) A+ 3 0-0 0.00 5 3 1 11 0 0.80
The List Thus Far
A's Community Prospect List
1. Chris Carter, 1B, Age 22 - 76% (of 5) - Video
2. Brett Wallace, 3B, Age 22 - 79% (of 5) - Offense Video / Defense Video
3. Adrian Cardenas, IF, Age 21 - 75% (of 5) - Video
4. Jemile Weeks, 2B, Age 22 - 36% (of 8) - Video
5. Grant Desme, OF, Age 23 - 29% (of 8) - Video - OmahaHi's case for Grant Desme
6. Grant Green, SS, Age 21 - 32% (of 7) - Video
7. Josh Donaldson, C, Age 23 - 31% (of 7) - Video - DesignatedForAssignment's case for Josh Donaldson
8. Corey Brown, CF, Age 23 - 37% (of 8) - Video
9. Michael Ynoa, SP, Age 17 - 40% (of 8) - Video
10. Sean Doolittle, 1B/OF, Age 22 - 41% (of 8) - Video
11. Arnold Leon, SP, Age 20 - 46% (of 8)
12. Tyson Ross, SP, Age 22 - 23% (of 8) / 42% (Runoff) - Cal Sports Profile Video
13. Fautino De Los Santos, SP, Age 23 - 34% (of 8)
Upcomming Potential Prospects for Voting (no order): Mattl Sulentic, OF Anthony Recker, C Shane Peterson, OF Alex Valdez Travis Banwart, SP Matt Spencer, OF Gregorio Petit, SS Graham Godfrey, SP Robin Rosario, OF Tommy Everidge, 1B Clayton Mortensen, SP Ronny Morla, SP Wilfredo Solano Joel Galarraga, C Nino Leyja, 2B Paul Smyth Conner Crumbliss Pedro Figueroade, SP Rashun Dixon, CF Julio Ramos Daniel Straily James Simmons, SP Ian Krol, SP Yusuf Carter Ryan Ortiz, SP Brett Hunter, SP Anthony Huttenlocker Carlos Hernandez, SP Ben Hornbeck, SP Reynaldo Mateo Tyler Ladendorff Shawn Haviland, SP Mickey Storey, SP Chris Mederos Jon Meloan Josh Horton, SS Conner Hoehn Corey Wimberly, UTL Dan Thomas Josh Leyland, C Justin Souza Andrew Carignan, RP Jermaine Mitchell, CF Jared Lansford, RP Justin Marks Jason Christian, 3B
If you have a prospect you want to suggest, from this list or not on it, speak up in comments!
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First!
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Nov 1, 2009 5:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Post here for players to be added
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
by Zonis on Nov 1, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Simmons, Spencer, Dixon
Maybe Hunter
"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond
by hero66 on Nov 1, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter?
Really? Terrible year at low A and a previous shoulder problem. No thanks
by OaklandAsDieHard on Nov 1, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the terrible year was at least partly the result of the A's overhauling his mechanics completely
That being said, that’s an argument for putting him at like #30, not #14.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I vote for Simmons
He had a pretty terrible run through AAA but just last year he was doing well in AA right out of college. He is light on stuff which doesn’t leave him a lot of room for error but he seems to be pretty smart on the mound and has an idea of what he wants to do. If he could figure out a passable breaking ball I think he still has a chance of being a useful pitcher. Once you start getting to around 20 on the list I’m willing to take a flyer on a guy like Simmons over some of the more “lottery ticket” type players.
by DiegoAsFan on Nov 1, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simmons, Mortenson, Sulentic, Spencer, Peterson, Meloan
in that order
by faninphilly on Nov 1, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dixon
Then Peterson
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 1, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time for the next wave of 2009 draftees
Ryan Ortiz, Ian Krol, Justin Marks.
I suppose Simmons needs to be on the poll too, though as I mentioned, his stock for me has dropped like a lead balloon this season.
Rodriguez continues to be a glaring eyesore on this poll. The other seven should all probably go on within the next 10 guys (along with Simmons, Ortiz and Krol) but Rodriguez isn’t even close. There have to be at least five more guys I’d put on before him. He has no chance of being even a tolerably useful MLB player without magically developing a level of command which he has never shown at any level of the minors.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I support Ortiz and Krol
I think Ortiz might be a better prospect than Stassi when you consider hs vs college catcher fail rates.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 1, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sorry but this is just not true
You can make a case that Ortiz MAY be more likely to reach the majors than Stassi, but when you factor in ceiling, scouting reports and bonus then Stassi is clearly a better overall prospect. I don’t think there will be a single professional publication that will rank Ortiz above Stassi, and I don’t think many (if any) teams would take Ortiz over Stassi either.
by DeJay on Nov 2, 2009 2:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
might = may
You can make a case that Ortiz MAY be more likely to reach the majors…
Isn’t that pretty much what he said? DFA’s post says, “I think Ortiz might be a better prospect than Stassi….”
I don’t know which of them is the better prospect, but out of principle I’m going to side with the guy who says “I think that” and “might be” over the guy who says “is clearly”.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 2, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe semantics but I didn't read it as the same thing
MAY be more likely to reach the majors does not = MIGHT be a better prospect. Travis Banwart may be more likely to reach the majors than Michael Ynoa, but that doesn’t mean he might be a better prospect. You have to take ceiling into account and I think Stassi’s ceiling is significantly high enough to negate the difference in likehood between the two making the majors.
If I said Carter was clearly a better prospect than Desme would you disagree with me out of principle there too?
by DeJay on Nov 3, 2009 6:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the context.
In general, probably not.
I disagreed with you here not just on the detail of “may” vs “might”, but based on the overall tones of both posts. DFA is not a person who is timid about stating his arguments, so when he goes out of his way to tone down his claim like he does here, I think that should be respected. If I’m going to say “I’m sorry but this is just not true” to DFA, I’d rather save it for times when he’s being more assertive.
But that’s just me. If you really do think he needs to be smacked down on this, that’s cool. It’s not like he’s fragile or anything. And he likes it when people disagree with him.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It certainly wasn't my intention to 'smack' anyone down
Some posters on this board seem to prefer players with track records and safe projections over prospects with raw but high potential. That is fair enough – I understand the argument and certainly factor both into the equation when ranking prospects. I understand why Donaldson, Capra, Ross etc may be preferred to prospects like Stassi and Ynoa, however I just felt saying Ortiz might be a better prospect than Stassi was seriously undervaluing Stassi’s ceiling, and probably a step too far in rating polish v potential.
by DeJay on Nov 4, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aww, come on.
Just give it a try. Here, I’ll show you. *smack!* See, he likes it!
*smack!* Now you try. Come on, it’s fun!
*smack! smack! smack!*
… Um. I think maybe I should … um … Nevermind. I have to go now.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 4, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kilby
he did better in the only league where it really counts than anyone else.
yes, he’s 26, but xp points count for something.
by rollierollieOxenfree on Nov 1, 2009 6:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
XP points?
That reference flew about five miles over my head, whatever it is…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Experience Points I believe
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Nov 1, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Are those points awarded by the Department of Redundancy Department?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They're given out from the ATM machine.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 1, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But only if you type in your PIN number.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 1, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what PIN number?
I thought you just have to fire off four random digits in quick succession
100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.
by fruitattack on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With au jus?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 2, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, too much DnD in my youth
I was a wild reckless kid in my younger era.
Yes, “Experience Points Points” is doubly redundant…. (heh)
by rollierollieOxenfree on Nov 4, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I go Capra.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 1, 2009 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i voted stassi but at this point any rational objective reasoning has been thrown out the window (since i know nothing about these guys) and i go for whomever has the coolest name.
"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow
by 9Custs on Nov 1, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
May I recommend Kala Ka'aihue. I believe he fits your criteria well.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
by winchester5 on Nov 1, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Kila.
I’d be thrilled to take him off of Dayton Moore’s hands, since he’s getting the Buck treatment over there.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 1, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kala is Kila's brother
And also a member of the A’s organization.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap!
That’s news to me.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not for long, given that he hit .151 this season
I suspect he’ll be hitting a different kind of 151 next season…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hit 151 pretty hard in high school
haven’t touched rum since.
by Future Ed on Nov 2, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A buck for a kilo?
You’re the most generous drug dealer ever!
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
by travdog6 on Nov 2, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you know nothing about the guys you shouldn't be voting
Or you should at least wait till people make a case for their prospects and vote based on the one you feel most convincing.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 1, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DFA why do you hate America
Voting without knowing is teh apple pie
by Future Ed on Nov 2, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now im looking for the nearest bridge to jump off of.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stassi
It’s between the two position players for me. Coleman has a decent argument, but when he was performing very well in May, the zenith of his value, scouts called him the equivalent of a third round draft pick. Since then, Coleman has performed terribly and suffered an injury that may be recurring. Going into the draft, Stassi was seen as a first round pick and no injury history. Stassi has obvious advantages in health and scouting.
Stat-wise, we have little to no relevant information on either. One can’t wishcast the power Coleman showed in May as his true power and even in May Coleman has the huge negative in the SO column. If we give Coleman a little bit of a mulligan because of his injuries, there’s simply not enough data to draw many conclusions. Similarly, one can’t wishcast Stassi’s HS stats or Vancouver stats. Statistically, I see no valid argument for either player.
That leaves the only argument in similar player’s development. HS catchers are generally a risky breed. So are SSs who have 30% K rates in A- ball. For reference only Drew Sutton and Omar Quintanilla had K-rates that high in the majors among SSs with 50 PAs.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 1, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Who said that his injury might be recurring?
I have never heard or seen anything to suggest that wrist injuries are recurring. I’m not a sports doctor, but my understanding is that they’re some of the LEAST likely injuries to recur.
I think you may be confusing “injuries that take a while to heal fully” with “recurring injuries.”
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I would love to have someone clear this up.
I don’t know for sure, but a wrist injury seems like one that would be likely to recur (as well as take a long time to heal fully). A one time thing to me is a broken arm or leg. But a wrist is not a spot I could see the whole put it in a cast and rebuild the muscle and it’s 100% ordeal. Can anyone shed light?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I'm representative of athletes or wrists as a whole
But I’ve broken a wrist, and the doctor said that after it heals (it wasn’t too long), it’ll actually be stronger than it was originally.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The most likely injuries to recur, as far as my limited knowledge and intuition can take me,
are ones that you are likely to aggravate unintentionally. Wrist injuries aren’t particularly prone to that, because the wrist isn’t involved in much other than flexing your hand (which can be prevented with a splint or cast). By comparison, something like a back injury is infinitely easier to accidentally make worse.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
also broken bones aren’t usually reoccurring without trauma.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 1, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or you know swinging a bat everyday for months after being injured?
Could that accidentally make it worse?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 2, 2009 2:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It being a wrist injury, to clarify
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 2, 2009 2:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
sure, he was making it worse during that time. Probably put off full recovery by a while.
Should be fine after the offseason though, unless he gets a bone infection or something really bizarre like that.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda think Spencer has some chops
He needs to be here over Hornbeck
by PL78 on Nov 1, 2009 7:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm really interested in hearing more about Matt Spencer.
It looks like he has hit tolerably well at AA, and that means a lot to me. Does anyone know what his defense is like? I hear he has good speed, but that doesn’t always translate into outfield defense.
Mostly I’m interested in his intangibles. What I remember hearing around the time of the trade is that he has a lot of talent and potential but he needs to apply himself in order to put it together. So what I’m wondering is: how has he matured in the past year? good? bad? indifferent? Has anyone heard anything?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tried a Google search, got squadoosh
Might be a good question to ask Urban (who can then ask the A’s personnel guys) or Melissa Lockard.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Henry again.
I’m happy Fautino got in last time and Stassi would be my second choice this time.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Nov 1, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IMO, Stassi is literally the last remaining position player in our system that has the potential to be an MLB starter*
Hence I pop him here. His upside – a league-average MLB catcher – is tantalizing.
*I realize in the minority with this view. That’s ok. I just see too many warts with every other offensive guy in our system. And Stassi, consistent with my stance on Ynoa, has yet to have the opportunity to reveal any such warts to us yet, in the way that Coleman/Spencer/Leyja/etc. all have. On a Sickels-style system, Stassi would be my last offensive guy worthy of ranking C+. I’ll participate in the prospect list for the next 8-9ish pitchers, stopping at about prospect 23-24, which pretty much exhausts our system’s group of C+’s or better, IMO. I will deliberately stop there because I don’t think we have anybody beyond #25ish that I find remotely capable of being an impact player.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 1, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd have Spencer and Coleman at C+
C’s are supposed to be organization filler and although Coleman and Spencer are obviously nowhere close to B-, they both have enough sleeper potential to be better than filler.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 1, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You must be exaggerating.
I don’t think your reasoning in voting for Stassi is unreasonable, but do you really believe people like Dixon etc. don’t have the upside of MLB starter, no matter how unlikely they are to reach it? I find that hard to believe.
by Elston Gunn on Nov 1, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently the A's should have had a bonfire in center field with the million dollars rather than giving it to Wilfredo Solano
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
Solano should probably be added to the options in about 5-10 polls.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 1, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's fourth on my position player list
after Coleman, Stassi, and Ortiz.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have a mancrush on Ortiz :)
Only $125K signing bonus, 183rd overall pick, no home run power or speed in college…I’m surprised.
I’ll cop to knowing nothing about Solano other than that bonus figure. He’s 16, I’m assuming? Do we have a scouting report someone could link to? I’d be grateful. I guess I’d be willing to amend my statement for Ortiz or Solano upon further review.
But not for Coleman or Dixon.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Nov 1, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Solano:
Venezuelan. Switch-hitter. Reportedly has a good swing and power potential— lord knows what his plate discipline is like at this point, but the A’s have plenty of time to work on that. Currently a shortstop, though might end up migrating to third base eventually due to average arm and stocky lower body. Got “seven figures,” probably only barely, but still by far the highest paid A’s international sign other than Ynoa.
Slusser has some quotes from the A’s brass on him. And an amusing political flamewar (?!).
Best upside comp is probably a Miguel Tejada type.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some info on Ryan Ortiz for those unfamiliar with his name, along with a video.
Looks pretty good in the vid, although he seems to have a different stance for batting practice and games, which is a bit odd…
A lot to like there, though. He has a good batting eye (almost as many walks as strikeouts this year, more walks than strikeouts in the Pac-10) and has posted pretty solid power numbers (especially in doubles, which might turn into home runs in a few years). Also gets hit by a lot of pitches… which is a skill, of sorts…
The only red flag I can see is that he had a lowish BABIP this season. He could end up being the steal of the late rounds if he turns into a Pierzynski-type catcher with above-average MLB offense and decent defense.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coleman and and Solano both profile to be MLB starters.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 1, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why no love for Capra?
Great numbers, supposedly one of the best pitches in the system, and he’s healthy (fingers crossed). I’ve been voting him for a while now.
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by travdog6 on Nov 1, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I deliberated a long time last round
and finally voted Capra. I’m really not convinced by him, but I found I was even less convinced by FDLS, Stassi or Coleman, and I still can’t bring myself to vote for a relief pitcher yet. (When I do, it would probably be Kilby before any of the others.)
Nothing has changed, so I’m still with Capra, but it’s a very lightly held opinion, so if anyone has a fresh argument for any of the others, I’d love to hear it.
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by iglew on Nov 1, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The breaking stuff does it for me
I voted capra on the strength of the offspeed stuff.
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by designatedforassignment on Nov 1, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
capra for me
just like him for some reason
by Twan54321 on Nov 1, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
off the radar prospects
That have struggled, injuries, etc that could surprise next yr.
Chad Lee- mid 90s FB, plus breaking ball. The brief time he was finally healthy in 2yrs he showed it in kane county in acouple starts
Mitchell- The hitting has lacked, but he’s maintained a decent enough OBP w/ plus speed/defense. Needs to get out of stockton and be challenged at another level. Might be a late bloomer and figure it out eventually likea rajai davis
lansford- At one point he was ahead of bailey among reliever prospects. He struggled early on in 09, but put together a solid season as the AA closer.
paramore- no complaints about his 1st half which was solid. Then struggled in 2nd half. He wasreported at draft time to bean elite defensive catcher that can progress quickly, yet A’s kept him in kane county for parts of 2 seasons when there were no catchers in his way in stockton.
barfield- maybe the most high rising potential among OFs next yr, hitting in the cal league should help.
house- another athlete. speed player that A’s targeted in 08 draft.
horton/christian- they kind of get lost in the mix with other infield draft picks in recent yrs with coleman/weeks/green/leyja etc getting the attention.
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lansford is related to Carney Lansford, isn't he?
Not that it effects his prospect status, or anything
by bobnothing on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, he's Carney's son
As I recall, Jared wanted to be drafted as a 3b, even though he was a much better P prospect. He even threatened not to sign if drafted as a P. The A’s were probably one of the only organizations Jared would sign as a P for.
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by vignette17 on Nov 2, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should convert back to being a position player...
because as a pitcher, he’s a fringy back-of-the-bullpen arm at best. Almost certainly not even worth protecting from Rule 5.
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by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Got to vote for Hornbeck
I mean, 111 Ks in just 3.1 IP? That’s got to be a record.
Though I’m concerned about his performance in AA: just one K in 76.1 IP.
I kid, Zonis. Thanks for all of the work you put into this.
My actual vote is going to Capra, in case anyone was wondering.
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by EastCoastA on Nov 2, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Matt Tuiasasopo!
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by DyeLongJustice on Nov 2, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
2 yrs ago this system was barren of lefty pitching prospects
A’s made it a priority with the trades:gio, anderson, eveland, smith, outman etc and now in recent drafts capra, marks, hornbeck, krol. Plus maybe the emergence of figueroa next yr. Add in the surprising season of braden +solid quality LHP relievers Breslow/Kilby/Blevins/Marshall (if used properly). Now its a legit strength of the system and at the mlb level.
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 3, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One year ago, the System was full of pitching prospects, with hitting prospects on the side
Now its Hitting Prospects, with C+ Pitchers thrown in.
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by Zonis on Nov 4, 2009 3:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are a few B- Pitchers as well
But the interesting thing is that I wouldn’t be surprised to see the pendulum swing back again next season. Looking at the advanced hitters in the top 10 and the number of pitchers going off the board now, I think it’s quite possible that next years top 10 list will be dominated by pitchers.
by DiegoAsFan on Nov 4, 2009 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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