What Went Wrong in 2009: First Base
I’m a perfectionist. That’s not to say that I don’t know when to quit. What it means is that I don’t know when to quit if I’m doing something I’m passionate about. One of those passions happens to be baseball. Specifically, A’s baseball.
On this very site, I’ve written haikus. Not just any haikus, mind you, but ones where the first letter of each line form an anagram. I wrote 18 pages on a FanPost once. My point is not to brag, but rather to highlight that perhaps I get a little carried away sometimes. I'm pretty sure nobody bothered to figure out my anagram, especially the second one. I'm just as sure no one read my whole 18 pager.
But, you’re not here to read my story. You’re here to read about the 2009 A’s 1b. Well without further adieu (besides a short jump) my latest crazy endeavor:
Going into the year, many were optimistic. At the very least, the A’s had acquired big bats to fit into the lineup. At last, we would not have to endure slow, boring games where all too often the A’s ended on the wrong side of the scorecard.
Those big bats included Jason Giambi, and to a lesser extent, Nomar Garciaparra. Both were likely to see some time at 1b. Also bound to see some time at first was former top prospect and 2008 A’s first baseman Daric Barton. Those three could easily be foreseen to play 1b in 2009. What else could we expect from our 1b?
Well, my aforementioned 18-page, ill-advised FanPost was a prediction of playing time. And since there’s no easy way to predict PT (especially with a rebuilding, brittle team), I’ll assume that one obsessed fan is as good as any prediction system at hypothesizing it.
My prediction was:
Giambi 370
Barton 260
Hannahan 35
Baisley 10
Now, when I made that FP, Nomar was yet to sign. So, let’s give Baisley and Hannahan’s PAs to Nomar (not perfectly accurate, but it’s close enough).
What were we expecting those three to do with their PAs? Luckily, we can use better predictors than my musings. Those would come in the projections provided by Bill James, CHONE, Marcel, Oliver, and ZiPS. Here are their predicted wOBAs*:
*Poz-style pause/footnote: This fanpost uses wOBA a lot. I use it because Fangraphs loves it and I’m using FG as a main source. It also readily translates to runs. If you’re not a big believer in the stat, you probably won’t be a big believer in my conclusions.
| Player | Bill James | CHONE | Marcel | Oliver | ZiPS | Average | Average2 |
| Jason Giambi | .364 | .367 | .359 | .387 | .353 | .366 | .363 |
| Daric Barton | .332 | .336 | .333 | .330 | .319 | .330 | .332 |
| Nomar Garciaparra | .346 | .330 | .323 | .335 | .334 | .334 | .333 |
The first average column calculates the average of all five projections. The second average calculates the average after eliminating the highest and the lowest wOBA for each player. As you can see, even though Oliver’s Giambi projection looks way out there compared to the others, it doesn’t affect the average too much. Now these projections are taken straight from Fangraphs. It’s possible there are some slight errors in the calculations. For one, I’m not sure which of the projections are park adjusted. For another, some of the projections projected certain stats Fangraphs incorporates into wOBA (SBs?). Now combining my PA predictions with the projected wOBAs, we can calculate what we were expecting in the unit of runs. The formula is (wOBA-lgWOBA)/(wOBA scale)*PA. For my purposes I’ll assume lgwOBA=.335 and wOBA scale is 1.15.
| Player | PAs | wOBA | Runs | wOBA2 | Runs |
| Jason Giambi | 370 | .366 | 9.97 | .363 | 9.01 |
| Daric Barton | 260 | .330 | -1.13 | .332 | -0.68 |
| Nomar Garciaparra | 45 | .334 | -0.04 | .333 | -0.08 |
| Total | 675 | .350 | 8.8 | .349 | 8.25 |
The wOBAs in the Total row are reverse-engineered and hence subject to rounding error. The wOBA column is based on Average in the first table. WOBA2 is based on Average2. If one wanted to mix and match the averages it may change the numbers but not by too much. The point is that we expected A’s first basemen to produce around a .350 wOBA for 8-9 runs above average (wRAA). We expected somewhere between Jorge Cantu’s and Adam LaRoche’s 2008s on offense. At the very least, we expected a major improvement on Daric Barton’s 2008 ML worst .302 wOBA and -11.4 wRAA. But our projected 2 win gain on offense did not come without sacrifice. That sacrifice was on defense. Jason G’s D:
| Year | Innings | UZR/150 |
| 2005 | 560 | -14.3 |
| 2006 | 480 | -20.2 |
| 2007 | 121 | 16.0 |
| 2008 | 898 | -8.3 |
| Total | 2059 | -10.9* |
*Despite playing 2059 innings (a little less than 229 sets of 9 innings), Giambi played 229 defensive games. This isn’t very surprising. However, when attempting to calculate UZR/150, one has to use DG, not Innings/9. Anyways, Giambi accumulated a -16.6 UZR over those DG.
I used four years of defensive data because three years of defensive data tells about as much as one year of offensive data. Since Giambi’s 2007 saw him play only 121 innings at 1b, I figured the extra 560 innings from 2005 were more valuable to include in the data. Sure Giambi’s range probably had decreased now that he was 38 rather than 35. But it also gives us more data so we don’t normalize as much.
Let’s take the axiom that it takes 3 years for UZR to stabilize (at least to the point of wOBA). That’s 450 defensive games. Therefore we’ll guess that Giambi is probably around a –5.55* fielder. That’s probably generous, but it shouldn’t be off by too much.
229/450*(-10.9)
Another problem with the defensive data we had pre-2009 was that Barton had only been in the majors for a bit more than one year. Barton had played 1279.1 innings at 1b, good for 123 DG*. In that time, he had 6.2 UZR. That totaled a 7.56 UZR/150.
1279/9=142
As we did with Giambi, if we assume that it takes 450 defensive games for UZR/150 to stabilize, we normalize Barton’s data to 2.26 UZR/150.
Nomar had played 1b only in the last three years. He had totaled 194 DG, 1626.2 Innings, and –6.7 UZR. The data were good for a –5.18 UZR/150. Normalized, we could expect –2.23 UZR/150.
| Player | PAs | exDGs | exUZR/150 | exUZR |
| Jason Giambi | 370 | 74 | -5.5 | -2.71 |
| Daric Barton | 260 | 52 | 2.26 | 0.78 |
| Nomar Garciaparra | 45 | 9 | -2.23 | -0.13 |
| Total | 675 | 135 | -2.02 | -2.24 |
We’ve now calculated what we expected entering 2009 from our collective 1bmen: a .350 wOBA and a –2.24 UZR. This allows us to create how many wins we expected from 1b:
| wRAA | UZR runs | Replacement | Positional | Total Runs |
| 8.53 | -2.24 | 22.5 | -12.5 | 16.3 |
8.53 is the average of 8.8 and 8.25. 22.5 came from 20/600*675. Positional is –12.5 runs per 162 games. I’m not quite sure how FG calculates it based on PT, so I’ll assume –12.5 is a good estimate.
Overall, what did we expect (or should we have expected)? We expected our 1b to be worth 1.6 WAR. Basically we expected 2008 Adam LaRoche for 162 games. LaRoche had 14.3 wRAA and a -5.9 UZR in ‘08. He was a better hitter than what we expected but a worse fielder.
And frankly that was a sight for sore eyes.
As you can see, the predicted 2009 1bmen were projected to be nearly 15 runs better than what Barton accomplished the previous year.
So the obvious question: what actually happened? Here are the data:
| Player | PA | wRAA | wOBA | DG | UZR | UZR/150 | Replace | Post’l | Runs | Salary |
| Jason Giambi | 230 | -3 | 0.313 | 70 | -6.1 | -13.7 | 7.67 | -3.93 | -5.36 | $5.25M |
| Daric Barton | 190 | 2.9 | 0.347 | 68 | 1.7 | 3.8 | 6.33 | -3.24 | 7.69 | $0.41M |
| Bobby Crosby | 156 | -8.7 | 0.262 | 35 | 2.4 | 11.5 | 5.20 | -2.66 | -3.76 | $5.25M |
| Tommy Everidge | 85 | -5 | 0.258 | 26 | -1.4 | -8.1 | 2.83 | -1.45 | -5.02 | $.4M |
| Nomar Garciaparra | 54 | -2.2 | 0.279 | 14 | -2.4 | -26.7 | 1.80 | -0.92 | -3.72 | $1M |
| Landon Powell | 17 | -1.4 | 0.23 | 4 | 0.3 | 12 | 0.57 | -0.29 | -0.82 | $0.4M |
| Total | 732 | -17.4 | .308 | 217 | -5.5 | -3.8 | 24.40 | -12.5 | -11.0 | $12.71M |
There may be rounding errors in there. As well, I’m pretty sure wRAA is not park adjusted. WOBA is based on the previously mentioned .335, 1.15 numbers. Positional adjustment may not be precisely –12.5 and individul positional adjustment is simply –12.5*PA/732. Replacement is based on 20 per 600 PAs. The salary is counting all of Powell’s, Nomar’s, and Crosby’s salaries even though they did not spend all their time at 1b. You want me to prorate it based on PAs or DG or innings? I told you I was obsessive, not that I was crazy.
Point is, the data have large margins of errors based any number of reasons. However I’ve kept the errors at as constant a rate as possible. If my data differs from another place, it is based on these errors. However all my numbers use those same formulas. In other words, the data may be incorrect but throughout the fanpost they are consistent.
So what do the data mean? 2009 A’s first basemen put up 732 PAs. They put up –17.4 batting runs, based on a .308 wOBA. They put up a –5.5 UZR. In fact, the only positive they put up was Replacement. Basically what we were expecting was a little less than this:
This is what we got:
We were expecting a win and a half upgrade on 2008 Daric Barton. We got almost a win and a half downgrade. A’s 1b put up a line similar to Aubrey Huff’s 2009, which doesn’t sound nearly as bad as it is. Huff put up –15.9 batting runs this year, to accompany his sparkling –3.1 UZR.
I predicted Giambi would get 370 PAs. He got 230. I predicted Barton would get 260 PAs. He got 190. I predicted 45 would go to Nomar. He got 54. I predicted no one else would get PAs. Everidge, Powell, and Crosby got 258 combined. Basically I did nearly as terrible as A’s 1bmen did in 2009.
I guess I can take solace in the fact that the projection systems were probably worse than me. Giambi was predicted to have a .365 wOBA. He put up .313. Barton’s was supposed to be .331. It was .347. Nomar’s was supposed to be .333. It ended at .279. The three guys I didn’t foresee totaled 258 PAs, and –9.6 runs.
Without Barton, A’s 1b managed to put up –18.7 runs worth of value. That’s equivalent to about Yuniesky Betancourt. Just kidding. He’s at –22. For those who like Tommy Everidge, Everidge managed to suck as bad as Giambi in nearly a third of the PAs. Nomar managed to suck almost as bad as Crosby when he played 1b. Almost.
If you want to look at where 2009 went wrong, 1b is as good a place to start as any. It was definitely one of the top reasons team projections were so far off on our beloved A’s. However I would like to not depress you too much. Of the $12.7 million the A’s spent on 1b in 2009, they have $410K on the books in 2010. If you were to prorate Barton’s performance over the 732 PAs and 217:
Next up: 2b
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Comments
Excellent!
I would love to see you do these as projections for next year…. I heartily approve of the method.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Oct 8, 2009 5:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Fantastic piece, vignette. Definitely looking forward to the other positions.
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Lay down, I'll remember you.
by danmerqury on Oct 8, 2009 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great work
I was pissed when we signed Giambi, who was likely to get worse, because it seemed like we were taking the opportunity away from Barton, who was likely to get better.
I think the reasons your projections were so off is because the A’s defied logic and continued to play anyone but Barton all season long. I mean 190 ABs for Crosby, who was a substandard offensive Shortstop, come on.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Oct 8, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work
Like the colors.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Oct 8, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was remarkably well done
I really liked the side bars explanations and the overall excellent clarity of the writing.
To clarify this:
As well, I’m pretty sure wRAA is not park adjustedBRAA is park adjusted wRAA is not and is derived straight from wOBA which isn’t park adjusted either.
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by designatedforassignment on Oct 8, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good times
Well, not A’s first basemen. That was really, really bad times. The fanpost is good times, though.
Incidentally, and this really sums things up in a nutshell, the A’s 1B put up a 61 sOPS+ this season. Another way of saying that is that they were, after adjusting for league and park, 39% worse than an average team at that position. The next biggest suckfest was 3B, where the team was “only” 21% worse than average.
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Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Oct 8, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, because of the way the various versions of OPS+ are calculated, it’s only half of that: 20% worse than league average at 1B, and 10% worse than league average at 3B.
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by andeux on Oct 9, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected
Why is that?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+ = 100*(OBP/lgOBP + SLG/lgSLG – 1)
So if a player’s OBP and SLG are both 90% of league average, for example, his OPS+ will be 80. I have no idea why whoever came up with it did it that way.
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by andeux on Oct 9, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
Who knew.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
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by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOUR NUMBERS ARE WRONG!
ALL NUMBERS ARE WRONG!
(runs)
(hides)
Maybe you can find one made by Go F**k Yourself San Jose... -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 8, 2009 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can you break this down into
FACKING English please?
You know, for the idiots like me.
I'll have a sandwich and a draft(sic). - Bill King (RIP)
by BleedGreen on Oct 8, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2009 sucked
In 2008, the A’s first basemen (mainly Daric Barton) sucked.
Then the A’s signed Giambi so as not to suck so much.
Then in 2009, A’s first basemen decided to take sucking to a whole new level of suckitude.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Oct 9, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Daric Barton did’nt really suck ( in 2009), or whole new realms of suckitude would have been opened.

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by brian.only on Oct 9, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were at an sOPS+ of like 52 at one point in the season
which is just genuinely amazing suckitude.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 9, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
um, do we get a prize for sucking so well?
Maybe you can find one made by Go F**k Yourself San Jose... -Poppy
by Leopold Bloom on Oct 9, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Picks
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by nevermoor on Oct 9, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah if we had only lost one more game we would have moved up two slots.
we should have sucked more.
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 9, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the
“Hole in the Glove” award and/or the “Feces Slugger”?
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by DMOAS on Oct 9, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Thanks ...
I needed the Cliff Notes. BTW…I am a fan of your diaries. I hope to see you write them more often.
by IM4Oakgal on Oct 9, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side, this means 1B could be an area of massive improvement in 2010
And this is really well done!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 9, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Giambi struck out w/ 2 outs and the bases loaded tonight
Continued suck!!
by cityplANner on Oct 9, 2009 1:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
noooo
I want him to HIT!
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by fruitattack on Oct 9, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome post!
I think I need to take my stats fluency to another level and start getting familiar with all of the things with the little “w” in front of them.
I don’t really understand them right now, which is fine with this set of data because all you really need to know is that the ones having to do with the actual performance of the 2009 A’s were all negative in value and that’s pretty well understood.
Anyways…I think there is a good chance that Barton at least can provide some positive value in 2010 for the 1B position, maybe even something approximating the 1.6 WAR we were expecting from A’s 1B at the beginning of 2009.
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by Taj Adib on Oct 9, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The w in wOBA means "weighted"
The idea is to incorporate into the OBA stat the different values of the various ways of getting on base. To OBA, a BB, a single, a double, a triple and a HR are all the same — 1 for 1. wOBA is designed to “weight” HRs and doubles, for instance, so that a player who hits lots of HRs has a higher wOBA than a player with fewer HRs, even if their raw OBAs are the same
OPS is supposed to do this, too, but it actually confuses things because 10 points of OBA are actually worth more than 10 points of SLG — for example, a player who goes 1-2 with a double has the same SLG as a player who goes 2-2 with 2 singles, but the second player is actually helping the team more by not making that extra out.
Here’s a detailed explanation.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 9, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice, concise explanation.
I’ll check out that link when I have a little more time, but I appreciate you ’splainin some things to me, Nick.
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by Taj Adib on Oct 9, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick's explanation is pretty great.
Just wanted to add: Just think of it like a better version of OPS. Both wOBA and OPS try give a single number that gives the total offensive output of a player—wOBA just does it more accurately, by incorporating differently weighted numbers than simple integers (1 for single, 2 for double, etc).
The scale, by the way, is tied to OBP, where the league-average wOBA is around .330 or thereabouts.
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by danmerqury on Oct 9, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used lgwOBA=.335 above
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Oct 9, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems on the high side.
Fangraphs has lgwOBA at .329 this year. The “show averages” link on the player pages is a great tool.
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Lay down, I'll remember you.
by danmerqury on Oct 9, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh crap
I’ve never seen that before. That is a great tool! Thanks.
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by vignette17 on Oct 9, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you teaching the Math 400BB class in the spring? AKA - Online Baseball Stats Explained to Non-Math Majors
B/C you should!! I am so non-math minded that I go to read those things and it makes no sense! I especially like the examples. Maybe if I keep reading these posts I’ll begin to get it eventually!!
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by BERRYJO on Oct 9, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me? Teach Math? Hahahahahahaha!
I suck at math, actually. That’s why I can’t really deal with the technical stats stuff. The last time I was good at math was sophomore year in high school in Geometry.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
by Nick on Oct 9, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I often wonder if the "stats for dummies" articles
would actually be better if written by someone who is not so fluent in them rather than someone who is. Someone who comes from a non-stat-minded background but can learn them just enough to explain them in layman terms might be ideal.
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by iglew on Oct 11, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for this!!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." Gaylord Perry
by BERRYJO on Oct 11, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a better idea is to have multiple posters working in conjunction.
If you use someone who knows things “just enough”, you run the risk of missing or wrong information. A stat poster working with a “non-stat” poster could cover all bases.
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by danmerqury on Oct 11, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't people just suggest corrections or clarifications once they're published?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 11, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, definitely.
I’m also worried that a “stat” poster would write something that’s too technical or too dense for the average reader to understand with ease. A stat poster working with someone else could make sure the thing is easy to grasp, yet, informative at the same time.
People could make corrections and clarifications, but I doubt people would be willing to rewrite entire sections to make them easier to read.
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by danmerqury on Oct 12, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll volunteer.
Let DFA write it up, and then I’ll put it into “tailgate” terms.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 13, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tailgate Tested!
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by danmerqury on Oct 13, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.A.G. Approved!
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 13, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can't believe how bad Giambi was
A nightmare scenario came to fruition.
by Manstein on Oct 9, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beane failed to read my repetitive "please stop mentioning Giambi, he makes no sense at all" post
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by nevermoor on Oct 9, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think it was a valid move
Giambi’s cost was minimal and short term. All the projection systems expected him to vastly outstrip Barton with the bat. Obviously the glove lagged behind and made them about equal.
But if Giambi struggled, Barton was there to come up and take his place. Without Giambi, if Barton struggled, it came down to Bobby Crosby, Landon Powell and Tommy Everidge. Given that we were trying to contend, the move was worth the flexibility.
Now, given that Giambi struggled (to put it lightly), how is it that Crosby/Powell/Everidge got 258 PAs? To that, I have no clue.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Oct 9, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll have to disagree on that
I can think of a lot better uses for that money than a guy you admit was “about equal” to someone we already have. That said, it’s a preference thing.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 9, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have been more persistent
like super gluing a printed version to his windshield
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 9, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did make the comment about 15 times
That should count.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Oct 9, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what was needed:

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 9, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you even know what movie that's from?
Because it’s awesome
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 13, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best chick flick ever.
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by iglew on Oct 13, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers
According to ESPN, Crosby had only 103 PAs as a 1B. And the reverse engineered wOBA that I got was .233 during those 103 PAs as a 1B. Considering his .529 OPS at the position, that makes more sense than the .262 wOBA you put down. ;-)
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by nobodyinparticular on Oct 9, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's taken straight from Fangraphs
Here’s the link if you want it.
Given that FG says Crosby played 54 G at 1b with only 24 starts, it’s quite possible that the difference in PAs (53) is that ESPN is only counting the PAs he got as a starter while FG counts it if he makes an in-game shift. Those missing PAs could also cause the difference in wOBA. For example, FG says BoCro had a .595 OPS at the position.
It’s really a preference which to use, as long as you’re being consistent. I’m going to go through all the positions eventually. The only reason I’m doing this by position is to make it a bit more fun and to eventually be able to look at it in a macro view and see how the A’s can improve.
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by vignette17 on Oct 9, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh, swallowed my link
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by vignette17 on Oct 9, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see...
That makes sense. Either way, Bobby Crosby sucked for the A’s this year—it’s just a matter of slight degrees.
Good work on the original post. I would now LOVE to see Daric Barton simply duplicate his 2009 season next year. If he actually moves forward (gee… a 24 year old improving on his performance as a 23 year old…), that would be amazing. Maybe that would include a few extra HRs.
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by nobodyinparticular on Oct 9, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for kicks and giggles (a terrible practice)
I took the liberty of seeing what kind of player Barton would be across a whole season if we used his last 26 games as a base. Here’s the line I got.
680 PAs, 187 H, 50 2B, 7 3B, 13 HR, 88 BB, 75K, .330/.422/.505, .928 OPS, ~.407 wOBA
Of course this is an incredibly SSS, I hand-picked it because it started the game his OPS started going up with his HR in Sept and this is just a ridiculous idea.
But it was fun to see! And if we had Barton doing that instead of everyone else, well…. We might have made the postseason. Certainly would have been more relevant in September.
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by nobodyinparticular on Oct 9, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see what's Chris Carter up to in Mexico
Game 1: 0-5, 5 K (no, I’m not shitting you)
Game 2: 2-4, HR, 2B, 2 K
by Manstein on Oct 12, 2009 5:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad water?
Lay down, black gives way to blue.
Lay down, I'll remember you.
by danmerqury on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's truly Custian.
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by iglew on Oct 12, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do they just call it
a platinum hat down there?
Nick Swisher is handsome.
by ChrisCEIT on Oct 13, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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