Rule 5 Protection?

by Mantecan As Fan on Oct 5, 2009 6:15 PM PDT

Howdy All

Well i am not sure about anyone else but somehow the postseason does not seem alluring without the A's involved, so i thought i would embark on my own little rosterbation attempt. ( My first! Dad would be so proud!)

However before i can complete it i would like to know how i would find out which of our prospects need Rule 5 protection this year as i am not familiar with the rules exactly. Could someone please direct me to the right place that i can access this info?

Appreciate it

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Which of our prospects need Rule 5 protection?

Any of them who plan to have “Rule 5 sex.”

Am I helping?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 5, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions

Most players only do Rule 4.

Rule 5? That’s naughty.

Lay down, black gives way to blue.
Lay down, I'll remember you.

by danmerqury on Oct 5, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Shit...

I’m on rule 7 already.

I’d do rule 8, but substituting midgets for monkeys, in order to circumvent local laws.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 6, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions

reminds me of what Andrew Bailey said in the Sept 09 Athletics magazine

when asked to pick a teammate who he would let date his sister he replied,“nobody”

by OaklandSi on Oct 5, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions

You're helping about as much as you usually do

Swisher on Ellis - "every day he does something that makes me say, 'Well, I'll be damned, look at that!'"

by Mantecan As Fan on Oct 5, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions

Oh, well that's goo--

Hey.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 5, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions

well, it depends

How many of them are married? I don’t think baseball players have sex with anyone other than their wives.

by SeanR on Oct 5, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions

If you think baseball players have sex with their wives,

I’m not going to be the one to shatter your innocence.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 5, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions

...

I am praying you saw my sarcasm come through on all 3 levels of that comment…

by SeanR on Oct 5, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Why go out for dinner if you have gourmet at home?

I would think that Mark Kotsay’s not cheating on his wife… unless he LIKES to downgrade…

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 6, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions

Slump buster

by MobiusKlein on Oct 6, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Thats rule #34

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Oct 6, 2009 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions

Not to be confused with

The 34th Rule

by LoneStranger on Oct 7, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Rule 5 sex?

Most of our hitters have trouble reaching first base!

by JustinIcon19 on Oct 7, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Basically, we're talking Chris Carter, Fautino de los Santos, and Pedro Figueroa

or, as he would like to be called, “#7 prospect in the California League” Pedro Figueroa.

Yeah, I’m surprised as you are. Although John Sickels nailed him before the season started.

Anyway, I don’t think anyone else really warrants protection. Sulentic isn’t yet eligible. Neither are Simmons, Brown, Cardenas, Donaldson or Doolittle. Jared Lansford just sucks. The only really borderline case I see is Corey Wimberly, and I think he’s ultimately safe to expose, as he’s unlikely to stick for a full season on an MLB roster.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 5, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions

And then which low-upside, probably injured

4th OFer / middle relief pitcher do we draft?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 5, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Anthony Recker might get protected

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Oct 5, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions

re

I’d be pretty surprised if Lansford isn’t protected, especially with Italiano and Webb gone.

by AgitationStation on Oct 6, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions

You seriously think another team is going to say "Yes, please take up a spot on my active roster for a season"

for a relief pitcher with a career K/BB ratio of less than 2 to 1 in the minors?

Frankly I’d be inclined to let them and take the $50,000.

by PaulThomas on Oct 6, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions

no

but I don’t think the A’s will chance it. He was plenty good in 08 and hurt last year. He’s got stuff.

by AgitationStation on Oct 6, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm willing to say with literally 100% certainty that there will be a better player than Lansford

on the waiver wire this offseason.

Really the only reason why the A’s would potentially be at pains to keep the guy around is nepotism. And, well, that’s not a good reason, so…

by PaulThomas on Oct 6, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions

re

You’re being way too hard on him. They would keep him around because he throws a 95 mph sinker and he’s 22 and has some projection left. Also, I repeat, he was good in 08, and he was injured this year (and the season wasn’t entirely wasted, he pitched well in the second half). Do you think they started him in Sacto this year because they don’t have confidence in him?

by AgitationStation on Oct 6, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Lansford was a little injured this year

It was nothing major but the biggest problem came with the mental part of the game. The A’s didn’t get into specifics but reading between the lines it sounded as if he needed to toughen up. They specifically said that Dave Stewart (his agent) was a great resource for him to turn to for help. I gotta believe the minor league coaching staff is teaching the pitchers how to build a game plan, so calling in Stew is all about attitude and demeanor.

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by grover on Oct 7, 2009 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions

He's had one good season in five years!

I will literally fall out of my chair if someone takes Jared Lansford in the Rule 5 draft.

by PaulThomas on Oct 7, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions

I will literally fall out of my chair if I don't stop drinking in the next hour

What’s your point?

{falls}

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 11, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions

What of rule 34?

by Rancho Canseco on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 PM PDT reply actions

Don't take a hair drier into the shower?

That was written down for Cindi’s benefit.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Oct 5, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions

So you heard about Tami, then?

:-(

-Cindi

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 5, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Well, there's no protection from rule 34.

Nothing is exempt. Them’s the rules.

Lay down, black gives way to blue.
Lay down, I'll remember you.

by danmerqury on Oct 5, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Have you ever seen rule 34 because of rule 34?

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 5, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.

by Zonis on Oct 6, 2009 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions

See Rule 35.

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by nevermoor on Oct 6, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Aha!

I love 4chan, every once in a while. Every once in a long while.

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Lay down, I'll remember you.

by danmerqury on Oct 6, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions

I can't find a list anywhere, but

as I understand it, a guy is Rule 5 eligible if he’s been around for more than four years, unless he was signed at 18 or younger in which case it’s more than five years.

So basically you’re looking for someone who signed in 2005 or earlier. Other than the ones Paul already mentioned, I can’t think of anyone who isn’t already on the 40-man roster.

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by iglew on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 AM PDT reply actions

Gregorio Petit

I thought he was still on the 40-man roster, but I don’t see his name there. I think that means he’s eligible if anyone wanted him. Right?

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by iglew on Oct 6, 2009 1:49 AM PDT reply actions

Petit's still on there

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=oak

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Oct 6, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions

I could have sworn I looked at this list and he wasn't there.

Thanks for setting me straight.

So if any of those guys like Petit, Buck, Carson, Everidge, etc, get pushed off the 40-man for any reason they would be rule 5 eligible, right?

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Oct 6, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions

yes

And the deadline to set your roster for the Rule 5 draft is Nov. 20.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Oct 6, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Good job, Paul

I researched this topic for an article a while ago and I’d definitely vouch for Paul’s list of guys. I’d also say Wimberly is the 4th-best available player, if the team were to make the decision to protect four instead of the aforementioned three.

Then again, what do I know? Last offseason I wrote an article suggesting that the only Rule 5 eligible player the team would add to the 40-man roster to protect was Brad Kilby. They didn’t do it, and he went unpicked. Although, I still think he should’ve been.

The best-case scenario is that the team doesn’t add Wimberly and he is ignored in the draft, just as Kilby was. We’re going to have a bit of 40-man roster crunch this offseason, I think. Right now there’s 46 guys on there, and you have to budget for DLS, Carter, and Figueroa, as well as probably 1-2 free-agent pitching depth signings – whether it’s re-signing Tomko or Duke or some other cheap unheralded arm.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Oct 6, 2009 6:31 AM PDT reply actions

I wonder how much Tomko's going to cost...

not that I want him…

I also wonder if he’s turned a corner mechanically and he’ll be a decent pitcher for the next few years…

not that I want him…

I also wonder if he’d be down for painting a depraved heavy-metal style cover for my band’s next album…

not that I want him to…

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 6, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions

8-10 Guys need to go

from the 40-man roster to get down to 40 by opening day, according to nsj, and I agree. It will be fascinating to see how BB removes those 8-10 excess MLB players, and what he gets for them. Or if they just get sent down to Sac. Even with that, we may still lose one or two guys to Rule 5.

But at least, then, we can relax, with our future championship roster in place.

Oh, wait! At the end of the 2010 season, Simmons, Demel, Cardenas, Doolittle, Brown, Donaldson, Desme? Carignan? will all be Rule 5 eligible. That could be 8 more cuts to the 40-man roster then.

Not all of this will work out just this way, but quite a bit of it surely might.

We could end up with a 2011 roster containing perhaps 30 or so minimum wage guys, or at least low arb salaries. I wonder what the all time lowest 25-man roster salary is? We will be close in 2011.

by redtopcowboy on Oct 6, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions

The 2007 draft was really a rather remarkable one

The A’s had 8 picks in the first 5 rounds, and there isn’t a single one of them who you can genuinely write off as a bust at this point. Right now there are probably 3 of them who wouldn’t get Rule 5ed (Horton, Banwart and Carignan) but they could totally play themselves back into contention at this point.

Could be tricky to deal with, though obviously it’s a good problem to have.

by PaulThomas on Oct 6, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions

eh

Banwart and Horton, definitely not rule 5’d. Carignan, though? It was just recently that he was a solid contender for a Sept. callup. Now, everything I hear about his injuries sounds like the usual BS lets play around and refuse to admit his arm is really messed up, but if he honestly is healthy next year, I don’t see how he isn’t on the 40 man in 2010.

by SeanR on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Naw...Billy will do another one of his "consolidation trades"

That was at least part of the spirit of the Holliday and Hairston deals, for sure. Trade a few guys who have positive trade value for a more established, valuable player, clearing a few roster slots to give opportunities to guys who currently have very little perceived value.

Beane is usually very good about this. He deals a guy like Italiano, who would’ve been Rule 5 eliglble, to acquire a much better player in Hairston (I realize Hairston has been a disappointment, but you see the point).

Now, it makes sense for a barren team like the Padres to protect Italiano. For the A’s, it would’ve been a harder decision. Thus it makes sense to make a deal and consolidate your talent.

Expect the same thing to happen once or twice when these future crunches arrive.

Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.

by notsellingjeans on Oct 6, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions