Any chance we trade for big bat/arm?
by ru155 on Oct 29, 2009 1:32 PM PDT
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With what looks like a lackluster field of potential free agents (aside from the top few we have no chance of getting), is there any possibility of the A's trading for a guy w/ 1-2 yrs left on his contract and using the extra assets (est. $25-30M according to mlbtraderumors.com) to offer an extension/field the contract? I'm just getting a little tired of scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for new life out of old shoes. not to say every pick up is an over-the-hill guy, but just feels that way.
I know we're a get em' before they get pricy team, but with Chavvy entering the last year of his contract and all that extra money why not find a name that the team can use as a cornerstone star? Sure Beane could have soured on the idea after bad cases of Dyeitis and Loizatheria (i could go on) but we could certainly use it to give our budding young team a star that can shoulder the burden w/ the ups and downs of the younguns.
Any thoughts on who we should pursue and perhaps what you think it would cost.
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MATT HOLLIDAY!
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 29, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking he could trade for Cargon! and then sign Holliday as a FA
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 29, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you have no room for Crosby to play in the OF?
Granted it was only once in 2009, but Geren and Beane really like his versatility…
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
by MMunoz33 on Oct 31, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope not
No point in dealing for someone this year
Chris Carter is the next Hank Aaron right?
by streetisclosedin08 on Oct 29, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if it's Evan Longoria?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're mostly being facetious
But I have to post this.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/10/13/1082924/is-there-any-fair-return-for-evan
Based on his unheard of below-market contract, purchasing him through 2016, there’s almost literally no fair return for Evan Longoria in a trade. One of the ideas thrown around in that thread was Lincecum, Sandoval, Bumgarner, and Posey. It was shot down.
And your dream, absolve.
And your path, dissolve.
by danmerqury on Oct 29, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just reading that.
Which is why Longoria was the name that came out.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 29, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Eva Longoria?
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Oct 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
View on big trade
No way bean pulls a big trade for someone with length on their contract untill the team moves to Fremont or San Jose
by StewCrew on Oct 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beane
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Beane
Beane
Beane
Beane
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 29, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who is this Billy Beane that you speak of ?
I thought is was (Mr. Bean) the movie actor who also happens to be the A’s GM…
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
by MMunoz33 on Oct 31, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Blackadder was our GM...
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 1, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that show... its so much better than Mr. Bean.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 1, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see the A's add a proven bat (or 2) to their lineup
but you know I’m one of those goofy A’s fans that likes watching Major League caliber players.
by sirbed on Oct 29, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Adrian Gonzalez
Carter and Wuertz for him?
by jahs34 on Oct 29, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Prince Fielder?
for those 2? Maybe gets it done….its only 1 or 2 years of prince though.
by PL78 on Oct 29, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No your cell service didn't drop the call Hoyer hung up.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 29, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is C. Carter even up for consderation as far as trade bait?
I wonder what his value is on the market?
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
by MMunoz33 on Oct 31, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is even available?
Brad Hawpe? Carlos Lee? no thanks.
The funny thing is, if you read mlbTR, you’ll see idiot mets fan/cubs fan/red sox fan post absurd ideas that all sound like “you cant have our best prospects, but you have some of our crappier ones/let me oversell this crappy failed prospect, and we get your premier player”, yeah the funny thing is, the A’s are team who feasibly could make noise because our prospects actually are good.
So far the 2 biggest bats that are rumored to be available are Fielder+Gonzalez. They are both 1B/DH types. We dont need those.
So here’s a list of “big bat” players off the top of my head who have been mentioned as maybe being available that I wouldnt be opposed to the A’s acquiring in a fair deal:
David Wright
JD Drew
Carl Crawford
Josh Willingham
Michael Young
Stephen Drew
Any of those guys that doesnt net them any of our obvious keepers (Anderson/Carter/Wallace/Ynoa etc) is fine by me. Odds are against us making a trade this winter though….
by PL78 on Oct 29, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All of those guys some combination of expensive and overrated
"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow
by 9Custs on Oct 29, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'ed
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 29, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
S. Drew is neither.
Id KILL to have David Wright playing 3B for the next 5 years here, no matter the cost.
Young is an excellent player who can still play SS. He’s pricey but way worth it. We have money.
Willingham isnt pricey either, and is actually very good at baseball and can play 1B or a corner OF spot and is a better player than Hairston.
Crawford could be had for not a lot, but is arguably the best allround LF in the AL.
JD Drew is just plain awesome at baseball too. Pricey but you get what you pat for.
So other than expensive (we have money), adding any of these guys will give us a better player than we currently have at the position.
by PL78 on Oct 29, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but then again like i said
the odds we make ANY moves this offseason are slim to none. i see beane as standing pat, maybe adding Iwamura to play 3B and thats it.
by PL78 on Oct 29, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This comment should be reference material to show others who are deciding on the veracity of your opinion
Michael Young in his second best offensive season ever (due to BAwas still just barely worth his $16m salary his defense oscillates from terrible to bad and hes getting old.
Stephen Drew has never had a 3 WAR season and plays in a hitters park in the national league is a bad fielder and will get expensive with arbitration.
Having a player play at a position no matter what the cost is a silly idea.
Willingham has played a total of 4 innings at 1b ever and will cost some good prospects in addition to being arby eligible.
Crawford will cost a lot and is going to be paid $10m next year, think Holliday type package.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thank you.
And your dream, absolve.
And your path, dissolve.
by danmerqury on Oct 30, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
deciding on the veracity of my opinion?
Is this a trial? No, its the internet, we all dont need to put in 7 hours of research to make a presentation on every post. Regardless, you miss my point, which is to show the kinds of “big bats” that we could potentially acquire who would perform better or “upgrade” over our current situation at the position, which is what this post is about.
Then I say TWO times we most likely wont make any moves. Stop trying to force arguments when there are none.
by PL78 on Oct 30, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A pattern of failure to research your posts before making them
should— and does— damage your credibility. If you don’t care, fine— but don’t whine when people jump on you for badly thought-out posts.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
its hardly "badly thought out"
when i say “i dont think we will make any big moves at all, but heres a group of players who could fit into our lineup and provide better offense and defense than our current players there”.
which is uh, what i said.
by PL78 on Oct 30, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that particular post was badly thought out
I’m not interested in getting involved in other people’s flamewars.
What I did say is that taking the attitude that “it’s the internet so I can say whatever I feel like” will, in the long run, not be in anyone’s best interest and especially not in yours, assuming (like most people) that you like being listened to.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is probably the right place to post this...
Lately, neighbor, you’ve been calling a lot of players “Terrible” or “Horrible” (T. Cahill and A. Kennedy come to mind)
These players, at least to most people, are not bottom-feeding quad-A trash. When someone calls a player “Terrible” or “Horrible,” I think of someone like Mario Mendoza or Omar Moreno or Bobby Crosby… below replacement level on offense, and/or very very suspect on defense.
I’m with you that I don’t want Kennedy on the roster next year, and Cahill should have spent more time in AAA, but it’s getting to the point when you call a player “Terrible,” I go straight to Baseball Reference and look at the stats to see if “mediocre,” or “average” would be a better descriptive.
I don’t like seeing your credibility fall due to an inefficiently used word or two.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 1, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Um, he's right.
Cahill’s FIP was 5.33 last year. That is terrible. The only player in MLB who was worse was Braden Looper.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 1, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And his tRA was 6.07.
That’s abysmal.
No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.
by danmerqury on Nov 1, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Below replacement level on offense, and/or very very suspect on defense?
That sounds like a fair description of what Kennedy is likely to be in 2010 to me…
Cahill’s surface stats look good because he was insanely lucky last season. Every one of the three major luck-neutral metrics (tRA, FIP, xFIP) has him as among the 2 or 3 worst MLB pitchers last season. If that does not qualify as “terrible,” the word has no meaning.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't you define between a terrible season and terrible player?
Cahill’s season this year was admittedly pretty bad, but no one expects him to stay that bad in his A’s career.
Throwing out “terrible” without the qualifier can spread your net a little too wide.
by cityplANner on Nov 1, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At no point have I ever said that Cahill is a terrible PROSPECT
although there was that discussion where I said I’d drop him to 4th on the list if he was still eligible. Still— 4th in this system is hardly shameful.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I even bothered,
is that I would hate to see some future jury or judge not trust you or your client, merely due to questioning your credibility because of the use of hyperbole.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 3, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You will never convince the forum police
to stop policing. Its in their blood.
I got your point and even if some of those guys cost too much, its not like that precludes the idea of discussing a trade or something… money can move. You’re just bringing names up for discussion. Rather than disagree with you and post why, they attack you personally. Speaks to their character so I wouldn’t take offense.
Remember, these are the same people that think Furcal is worth $10M a season but these players aren’t worth whatever they get paid. They just like to argue.
by DrDoom on Oct 30, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
When did I say that they weren't worth what they will get paid.
Especially Wright will. The idea that he is available and not expensive in terms of costs in prospects is ludicrous.
Crawford will certainly be worth 10m next year. Is he worth 10m and a boatload of specs for one year? Hell no.
Young has a no trade clause and is going to have a hard time justifying the last three years of his contract.
Boston would be idiots to give up drew cheaply and is expensive.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is
you are going out of your way to make an argument that i dont even believe in. i said twice that i dont think we are going to make any moves, but for the sake of the thread i threw some names out. i agree theyre expensive, but we have money, either way those options are better than the ones we have currently. end of story.
by PL78 on Oct 30, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Wright
You did say…
…no matter the cost
Like you, I’d love to have Wright at 3B also, but there is a point where cost does become too much for any player. Personally, I feel he’s worth the money he’s getting now, and maybe even a good prospect and a couple throw-ins in trade, but not a boatload of prospects.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well obviously thats a little bit of hyperbole
Im not saying we should trade Carter, Anderson, Ynoa and Wallace for Wright and sign Wright to a 10 Year $350MM contract, more like Id trade Mazzaro, H-Rod, Barton and FDLS for Wright. And id do that because we dont have an everyday 3B and can afford to lose those guys. We do have the money to afford a $15-20MM a year player now Chavez’s money is basically gone, so signing him to 4/72MM deal isnt going to kill us either.
by PL78 on Oct 31, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This means you think that Wright is expensive.
Im not saying we should trade Carter, Anderson, Ynoa and Wallace for Wright and sign Wright to a 10 Year $350MM contract, more like Id trade Mazzaro, H-Rod, Barton and FDLS for Wright.
because that second one is a joke of an offer.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 31, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you see what kind of package
netted Johan fucking Santana? that second offer floors what happened there.
by PL78 on Nov 2, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Mulvey was = to Mazzaro, Gomez > HROD, Humber > FDLS Gurerra slighlty > than Barton. And that required that the Mets spend $127m for the right to keep Santana beyond 1 year when Wright has a far superior contract situation.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 2, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
welp
those are some opinions, and I disagree with most of them. IMO. Gomez, Humber and Guerra were exactly half as valuable as Barton, H-Rod & FDLS are now.
No one liked that trade when it happened and it never redeemed itself. Lets move on.
by PL78 on Nov 2, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Crawford is worth the dinero IMO,
but assuming Rajai Davis plays in CF, where does the power production come from? RF, 1B, and DH?
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
by MMunoz33 on Oct 31, 2009 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PG&E
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 31, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that we DEFINITELY can't afford.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 31, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just got a letter from PG&E
telling me that I’d be receiving a “credit” during the month(s) of November and/or December because the price of natural gas has come down significantly and they are dolling out big one time credits instead of flattening it out over a year because of the harsh financial climate.
PG&E…..did they do something nice?
by PL78 on Oct 31, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose it's nice, but
it’s the nature of the business. As a public utility, PG&E is not completely free to set its rates however it likes. It has to have them approved by the state public utilities commission. In setting rates it uses projections of what its costs will be.
When those projections come out too high, they have to give the excess back. As you note, this is typically done by lowering future rates. Doing it as a rebate this time is probably a good publicity move for PG&E. I assume the CPUC approved it for economic stimulus reasons; otherwise they might not have.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 1, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
7 hours to look up 6 players at fangraphs? Boy you are slow.
What you say is that those players are neither expensive nor over rated which just is factually inaccurate with regard to expense on most of those players and if there was a metric that measured overrated Im positive your statement would be considered factually inaccurate too.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"veracity of opinion"
is not a logical standard. One of those words doesn’t mean what you think it means.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Validity, perhaps?
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Oct 30, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesnt it mean "truthful opinion"?
lol opinions arent based on true/false parameters.
by PL78 on Oct 30, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The free dictionary.com says
2. Conformity to fact or truth; accuracy or precision:
So I think my sentence works just fine thanks
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get what you pay for
My dictionary, which costed monies and I can hold in my hands, lists the primary definition of veracity as, "habitual truthfulness; honesty."
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 30, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The quality of a dictionary
is not a function of its price or tangibility. There are good dictionaries available online, and there are crappy dictionaries you can buy in a store and put on your bookshelf.
“The Free Dictionary” is American Heritage (4th edition). Although it’s not my personal dictionary of choice, it is a perfectly fine and respectable dictionary. I applaud DFA for using it instead of that other, far inferior dictionary which dominates most free online sites.
I still say that to debate the “veracity” of someone’s opinion is an inherently illogical concept, though I can’t tell if it’s indicative of oxymoronic thinking on DFA’s part or just a novel use of words. “Validity”, which Jedi Leroy suggested, makes much more sense.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 31, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is excellent information!
Can you direct me to where I can get a crappy dictionary for my bookshelf? I’m talking about one that goes,
cat (adjective): To throw snow at Bea Arthur.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 31, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why ones opinions cant have a degree of precision or truthfulness with regard to the facts represented within them
I am not suggesting that PL78 doesn’t believe these things, I am just suggesting that PL78’s reality in which these facts exist is different that the reality where I and I believe other people exist.
For example I can question the veracity of the belief that 9/11 was an inside job because it doesn’t conform to facts that exist.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 31, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
who said anything Ive said here is “factual”?
Im not Bill James (and neither are you come to think of it), Im just a dude with opinions. I have been a diehard A’s fan since 1987 so I come here to share my opinions with fellow A’s fans. I love talking about A’s baseball. Some may say “I agree” to what I say, others might say “I think youre wrong because of A, B or C” and i’ll either change my opinion if the evidence is irrefutably against my original thought or I’ll just ignore the disagreer. Most of the time I’ll ignore it because I trust my own mind and time spent watching the game. If you constantly refer to the flawed defensive metrics at fangraphs, after a while Im just going to ignore you because you support a flawed system and I dont. Its simple.
But bottom line, I have my opinion and you have yours. Neither of us are irrevocably “right” about anything, ever. We might get close but its still “opinion” and opinions are never right or wrong. We arent running the team or writing the rules of the game. Dumbass commentators are still going to rattle on and about pitcher win-loss no matter what we do. So it goes….
by PL78 on Oct 31, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you question the veracity of a belief
you are saying the belief is not a matter of opinion.
That’s why my original post said “one of these words” doesn’t mean what you think it means. I wasn’t sure if you meant veracity but not opinion, or opinion but not veracity. It now appears to be the former. In the green post above, you aren’t challenging PL78’s opinions, you’re challenging his factual claims.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 1, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Im challenging how his/her opinions are formed.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 2, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why do you care so much?
seriously, why even do that? Why make that challenge?
These are baseball opinions that in reality, are only very slightly different to yours. We are both A’s fans and theres no need to constantly “police” (to use another posters term) these OPINION threads to argue with people who’s opinions veer in slightly different directions to yours. Seriously, I dont understand your need to keep making up arguments just so you can argue.
by PL78 on Nov 2, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
opinions cannot be "factual" or "truthful"
thats against what the word means. It doesnt have to be right or wrong, for example: its my opinion that purple is the fastest color. See?
by PL78 on Oct 30, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, hello...Orange?
Why does everyone think purple is so fast????
-Cindi
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 30, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird.
On my computer, I see two parts to that definition.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Oct 31, 2009 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying DFA fell prey
to the lure of Small Sample Size? :-)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 31, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and neither make sense
“Conformity to fact or truth”: cannot be related to the word “opinion”, it would therefore just be a fact/truth.
“accuracy or precision”: an “accurate opinion”stops becoming an opinion and just becomes fact.
by PL78 on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but then again
this is just my opinion ;)
by PL78 on Oct 31, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really you make verifiable assertions with your opinion.
Its like saying I believe supply side economics rise all tides. Im saying that while you may believe that it really hasn’t anything to do with the truth. Your opinion is valid in that you are perfectly welcome to have it it just isn’t accurate.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 1, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, this makes me feel old.
You weren’t even born when Jack Kemp wrote the book that popularized that idea. The line is “a rising tide lifts all boats”. It’s a rich metaphor, and it cuts both ways. Plenty of opponents of the idea have artfully adapted it to show how a rising tide might not lift all boats. You, on the other hand, have muddled it.
Is this idea so buried in history now that it’s just words without meaning? For that matter, do people even think about what it means to tweak incentives on the “supply side”, or is “supply-side economics” just another codeword whose only meaning now is emotional? I think Bruce Bartlett is right. It’s time to kill the phrase and give it a decent burial.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Nov 1, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As an econ person it has specific meaning to me.
as a series of policies.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Nov 2, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is an econ person [Homo-economicus]...
…if all utility deriving choices are considered balanced with their associated costs.
The questions are:
Do incentives matter?
Do decentralized and private decisions yield better results than centralized collective decisions?
Are voluntary transactions within a marketplace preferable to collective policies that alter the marketplace (and transactions) in order to facilitate equity?
The underlying questions really boil down to whether one prefers economic liberty or something that cannot be correctly labeled as liberty.
by LowcountryJoe on Nov 2, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We could use a 1b
we are still not sure Barton will work, if we can get a premium first baseman, Gonzalez, we should go for it.
by jahs34 on Oct 30, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see trading for a solid pitcher...
but not any hitters. Gotta stop blocking these kids and see if they can play. And that worked out well 2nd half.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
by Syphon on Oct 29, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
non-stopgap guys
it’s not to get a guy who will play with us for a year or two, but to get a guy that we can have as the team anchor that we sign for a contract. A guy like Giambi (in his prime) or Adrian Gonzalez. A guy that’s got the big power as someone you want at the plate in the bottom of the 9th.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Oct 30, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the 2011 free agent class?
Anyone with an expiring contract (ala Holliday) that could attempt to anchor that team?
Where's your picket fence, Love?
by Tim Blekicks on Oct 29, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that experiment worked out really well
I mean, the A’s only gave away a future All-Star (and a prior one) last time. While accomplishing nothing.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right. Come to think of it...
…I cannot recall a trade in the entire history of baseball that has worked as planned. Ever.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Oct 30, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't someone traded for themselves?
Seems like a reasonably fair deal for both sides.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 30, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about "any" trade
but I sure don’t recall many recent rentals that have worked as planned…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you subscribe to the "playoffs are a crapshoot" philosophy,
Sabathia and the Brewers? He got them there and pitched well in the post-season, which is pretty much what they got him to do.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll grant that one
Then again, that’s the kind of level of play that you have to get out of a guy for it to really make a difference. He almost got consideration for a Cy Young pitching half a season in the NL.
I suppose one could argue that Jose Guillen “worked” in that manner too. I don’t know, though. You’d have a hard time finding many A’s fans who are really happy about the results of that trade even if it did “work.”
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of Guillen, also.
He did his part, but it is still a team effort, and the rest of the team didn’t.
I would also contend that the Dye trade worked… so well, in fact, that we signed him to a three-year contract.
I go into any A’s mid-season acquisition as a “rental” with any long-term signing afterward merely a bonus. Rental trades work as often as they don’t. I guess part of it depends on where you set the bar.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine Dye, 2001
The extension after the broken leg in the playoffs sucked, but that was an fantastic deal during the season.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 31, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, never
Dye
Beltran
Guillen
Sabathia
Holliday (Cards version)
Manny
Durham (to A’s)
Cliff Lee
Randy Johnson
These are guys I can think of off the top of my head in the first minute. And then there’s still guys like VMart, Milton Bradley (to the A’s). Generalizations are ALWAYS bad.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 1, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Nov 1, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I flatly disagree that most of those rentals were successful
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 1, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which ones?
Dye, Beltran, RJ, Sabathia, and Manny seem pretty unarguable to me (much as I love Andy LaRoche). Holliday served his purpose exactly as intended in STL and may have set up the basis for a long term deal. In fact, the one I see as the weakest was the Guillen trade which you admitted to above.
On another note, STL may be the role model for the rental deals: McGwire, Rolen, Edmonds, Walker all were good to great rentals for the Cards.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Nov 2, 2009 2:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you define successful?
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Nov 2, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Substantially helped a team reach the playoffs without unduly sacrificing the future in the process
To take the proffered group: First, Lee is not pertinent because he’s not a free agent this offseason. Bradley and Martinez also don’t work.
Second, a lot of those teams would have made the playoffs anyway regardless of the acquisition (this is almost certainly true of the 2001 A’s, the 1998 Astros, and the 2009 Cardinals). Giving up value for a player when you’re way past dominant is as bad a move as doing so when you’re noncompetitive. We’ve already whittled the proffered list down from 11 guys to 5.
Third, Guillen has to be considered a failure because the team simply gave up too much for him. Meanwhile, while the payment for Manny doesn’t seem excessive, I’m fairly certain that trade isn’t made without the prior acquisition of Casey Blake, a disaster and a half if there ever was one.
We’re left with Ray Durham and Carlos Beltran— both of whom were acquired for peanuts from teams that didn’t have a clue (Dye would also fit into this category)— and C.C. Sabathia, who was almost unprecedentedly good after being traded. And maybe Manny if you ignore the surrounding context.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot of BS to make your argument look right.
“They would have made the playoffs anyway” is a bunk excuse. Dye replaced some strange mixture of Billy McMillon, Jeremy Giambi, Robin Jennings, and Mario Valdez in right field in 01. That’s a ridiculous upgrade for essentially no cost.
That trade (again, not the extension) was nothing but a resounding success.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 2, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
Especially because there is value to increasing the marginal odds in the playoffs. They may be something of a crapshoot, but having A-Rod makes you more likely to win than having Pedro Feliz.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on Nov 2, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be ridiculous
A team that wins its division by 10 games does not need an upgrade. Any long-term resources expended by such a team on short-term upgrades are the baseball equivalent of killing a bug with a battery of artillery.
It’s very nearly as stupid as doing the same thing and finishing 10 games out of the playoffs— but for whatever minuscule upgrade it makes for a team’s actual playoff production, it would be the same.
The Dye trade sort of “worked,” inasmuch as it probably picked up a couple of regular season wins for the team at no cost (thus increasing fan satisfaction, revenue, etc etc by some de minimus amount), but only because the players the A’s gave away were a pile of utter garbage. I don’t think anyone would argue against trades in which you give away piles of utter garbage. The problem is finding the opposing party in such trades…
I’m not saying there’s some hard and fast rule to never, ever make rental trades. What I am saying is that the prevailing market price for rentals is, as far as I can tell, too high by some huge amount. The reason for this is, I think, publicity— it sounds ridiculous to “trade Joe Superstar for [three guys no one has ever heard of].” Casual fans hear that and start raving and calling in to talk radio stations threatening the lives of the GM’s immediate family.
If the average fan actually digested the fact that it’s one year of Joe Superstar being traded for the entire potential first half of those three guys’ careers, I think there would be less pressure on buying GMs to overpay and less pressure on selling GMs to demand ridiculous prices for players who won’t help them win a championship.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 2, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, many of these teams would have made the playoffs anyway...
…but in tight races that’s not so certain. You also have to ask yourself… is that the ONLY goal? Or, do you hope to progress further into the playoffs… where the competition will be much tougher, and the sense of urgency much greater with far less margin for error… and maybe even win the whole thing?
Which probably brings us to the whole “crapshoot” theory. I suppose if one believes it is truly random, then I guess it wouldn’t matter what team you fielded at all. As long as you can make the playoffs, you’re as golden as anybody else.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Nov 3, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not LITERALLY true that the playoffs are a crapshoot
The Yankees probably had about a 3/5 to 2/3 chance of beating the Twins. So, they were favored. But not by that much.
It’s sufficiently close to a crapshoot that making short-term upgrades solely to improve the roster for the playoffs is a bad concept. If you’re 10 games up at the All-Star break, you should (in a hypothetical world) actually be looking to be a SELLER at the trade deadline. (Granted, that doesn’t happen all that often.)
Even if you’re getting a guy who would be a 35 run upgrade over a full season (let’s call him “Mark Teixeira”, just for the hell of it*), that’s still a difference of only 1/20 of a run per at-bat. In a division series where a player gets 20 at-bats, you’re looking at one extra run. There are, of course, a certain percentage of series in which one run will flip the outcome. But it’s a pretty small percentage. It’s not worth mortgaging the future for.
*(Of course, it helps if the players you trade away suddenly forget how to play baseball.)
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Nov 3, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a "big bat", but
I still think the A’s should pick up Eric Hinske in the offseason.
Guy can play 1B, 3B, and both corner OF. He’s got some pop and he’ll be really cheap. It’ll help keep our best prospects in AAA, and if one of them really pushes from below it won’t hurt to let him go. Guy hit 20 HR last year wit the Rays in only 430 PAs. I wouldn’t mind adding a 20 HR bat that can play 4 positions and will probably cost $1MM (if that. didn’t he sign a minor league deal w/ the Pirates this season before going to the Yankees?)
by cityplANner on Oct 29, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Calling Eric Hinske a third baseman is only marginally less irrational than calling Eric Chavez one at this point
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's worse at 3rd in 2010: Eric Hinske or Brett Wallace?
by cityplANner on Oct 29, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iwamura will probably be our 3B on opening day
by PL78 on Oct 29, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose a better question would be
What’s worse: Hinske or Kennedy at 3rd in 2010?
And I’m not being a dick. I honestly don’t know which would be better. Perusing Hinske’s fielding stats, it looks like he’d probably be as bad as Kennedy in the field, but he’d probably out-hit him. Then again, he hasn’t logged a ton of games at 3rd in a while. Then again, neither did Kennedy until this year(acutally, ever).
I think I’ve just confused myself even farther. Great.
by cityplANner on Oct 29, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are making random guesses and qualifying it with 'probably' now then Brett Anderson will 'probably' win the Cy Young next season
by DeJay on Oct 30, 2009 3:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably getting laid tonight
Probably
WordUpThome: "TRENIDAD HUBBARD WENT TO HIS CUPBOARD TO FEED HIS POOR DOGS AND PETS...WHEN HE GOT THERE, THE CUPBOARD WAS BARE, AND THEY TRADED HIS DOG TO THE METS"
by Player To Be Named Later on Oct 30, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Recced
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
by kaweahkaweah on Oct 30, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're recommending it, are you offering to help make it happen?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 30, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just throwing names out there
Any thought to:
Grady Sizemore. He’s under contract through 2011 with a club option for 2012.
‘10 = $5.6, ’11 = $7.5. ’12 = $8.5. He was hurt this year, but expected to be 100% by spring training. A solid CF to anchor our outfield w/ 25-30 HR capablility. He’s hit around .275 w/ a +100 OBP the past few seasons.
I think he’s someone a rebuilding Indians club could part with.
Scott Podsednik
Ryan Theriot
Grady Sizemore
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Oct 30, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to get Grady Sizemore?
I doubt the A’s could get him for their entire farm system.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much did Cliff Lee cost again?
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Oct 30, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore is worth like 3 times as much as Lee was.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dunno about that
I know he’s the fan favorite, but I would think that Cliff Lee was worth a lot more.
Who knows, you give the GM the right pieces almost anyone can be had.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by ru155 on Oct 30, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timing plays a factor.
Lee vs Sizemore is probably a wash, value-wise, but there was a trade deadline looming that put pressure on Cleveland to take something. Even if Sizemore is valued roughly equally, there is no such time pressure regarding a Sizemore trade in the off-season and they have the luxury of holding out for more.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Oct 30, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it is not "a wash" value-wise
Sizemore has provided as much value per season over the last three years and is signed to a contract which is twice as long as Lee’s was at the time Lee was traded. He’s also a position player, which makes him inherently less injury-prone and volatile than a pitcher is.
This comparison isn’t even close.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet I would still trade BOTH of them for Derek Jeter
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 30, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha!!!!!!!
Wait, I think he’s about to Twitter his latest “brilliant play”……!
Zeigler to Geren…."A-Rod? He’s my bitch." -alox
by mrod on Oct 30, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is satire, right?
Just clarifying.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Satire? Have you SEEN Derek Jeter?
It was awesome to watch the game in the rain and see Jeter line a ball to right field and walk on water to get down to 1B. He also once made a nice back-handed play at SS and I think of that one play every time I’m voting for the gold glove.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 31, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no, I don't, but I'd like to.
How much would it cost to get Grady Sizemore? I assume when you say “entire farm system” you don’t mean it literally, but just that it would take way more than what you think of as expendable. But what if we take the question seriously, and look at what Cleveland would really want, with all the “untouchables” on the table? I mean, suppose we offered Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, and Michael Ynoa. Would they say no to that?
Not that I’m recommending that. I’m just saying that presumably there really is a fair price somewhere, and I’m genuinely curious what you think it is. I know you would be opposed to trading away large pieces or our future like Anderson or Carter, but still, it would be really awesome to have Grady Sizemore, so I think it’s an interesting idea to ponder, as opposed to just saying “it would cost too much”.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 30, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say 'no' to that.
I’d be willing to offer Carter, Ynoa, and maybe another arm, primarily because in spite of their so-called “upside”, they aren’t proven yet, but I wouldn’t include Anderson at this point because I think he has established himself as proven, and is thus a key part of our near-future.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Oct 30, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it.
I wouldn’t dismiss the idea out of hand, especially for a shortstop, but the A’s didn’t endure the misery of the last three seasons for nothing.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Oct 30, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait -- if you're going to stop them from dismissing ideas out of hand,
some people aren’t going to have anything to say. :-(
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 30, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
These trade targets cost too much
Just thinking…could Grant Desme ever have any more value as a prospect than he has right now? He’s following up an amazing minor league season, albeit with a ton of Ks, with an absolutely ridiculous AZFL season. I KNOW there are still teams out there that salivate at the thought of “toolsy” prospects; maybe one of those teams values Desme higher than Beane does? I wouldn’t be surprised to see a big bat brought in using Desme.
WordUpThome: "TRENIDAD HUBBARD WENT TO HIS CUPBOARD TO FEED HIS POOR DOGS AND PETS...WHEN HE GOT THERE, THE CUPBOARD WAS BARE, AND THEY TRADED HIS DOG TO THE METS"
by Player To Be Named Later on Oct 30, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, then Desme will go on to be a halfway decent .850 OPS corner outfielder in the NL
and we’ll just have to fucking hear OVER AND OVER about how we shouldn’t have ever traded him, even though we got Yunel Escobar and made the playoffs in 2010.
THANKS A LOT FOR THAT IDEA.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 30, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny cuz it's true!
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 30, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
If Yunel Escobar is still available, he should be the top target.
WordUpThome: "TRENIDAD HUBBARD WENT TO HIS CUPBOARD TO FEED HIS POOR DOGS AND PETS...WHEN HE GOT THERE, THE CUPBOARD WAS BARE, AND THEY TRADED HIS DOG TO THE METS"
by Player To Be Named Later on Oct 30, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or JJ Hardy because he'll cost so much less in value.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 30, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall a proclaim or two for Hardy?
Anything is better than Crosby IMO…
:)
The foundational Western philosophical quote; "I think, therefore I am..." applies to everyone except Booby "the joke" Crozby
by MMunoz33 on Oct 31, 2009 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things:
…but with Chavvy entering the last year of his contract and all that extra money why not find a name that the team can use as a cornerstone star?
The team still has to pay for Chavez this year…that commitment hasn’t disappeared a year early.
The paying fans have not supported the team enough to allow for the revenue to go out and get stars. When the team has, the paying fans don’t respond enough to offset the expense. When stars are homegrown, same thing. This is not the season to increase expenses (through bringing in a star) when the team currently has $15 million going down the rathole.
by LowcountryJoe on Oct 31, 2009 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So, if enough fans will never come through, that begs the question: If not now... when?
Seems to me it’s kind of like having kids… there never is a “right” time. There’s always going to be a dead weight contract or two on the team. You do it because it’s important to you, or you let the excuses keep you from ever doing it. (Unless you’re the Yankees and have money to burn and not a care in the world.)
As far as I’m concerned, the “right” time is when you’ve decided you’re ready to win, and your desire to win overshadows the other concerns. That doesn’t mean you spend foolishly, but it does mean you stop making excuses and start being pro-active.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Oct 31, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a business...
…not a charity. The time will be right when the paying fanbase improves. In the meantime, the ownership is probably going to try and do things on the cheap; hopefully with budding young players still under team control.
I think the Athletics’ year will be the 2011 season. There won’t be dead weight contracts and the pitching — under team control, hungry, and with one to two years under their belts — will be ready for a line-up supporting cast (maybe even a batting order with a star or two from another organization)
by LowcountryJoe on Oct 31, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will be a trade but..
From everything I have read this offseason Beane has not tilted his hand on who and when he will trade. Most likely to go is Cust, Weurtz, Zifgler, and Eveland. So don’t expect to get much for these guys. So far the first month of the offseason no rumors involving the A’s.
by Arcman on Oct 31, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's because no one can make trades until after the World Series
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 31, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that damn series over yet?
It’s the last day of October. How long are they going to drag this thing out?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
by iglew on Oct 31, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are only 12 more off days left
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 31, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the Yankees got to choose the format
and have opted for the “every 5 days format” that allows them to pitch CC Sabathia, and no one else, over 35 days.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Oct 31, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it. you'll give Selig ideas.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 31, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a big bat
Beane better know whats good and get a bat in the off season.
by Tambo45 on Nov 2, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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