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AFL update 10/28 Desme is HOT!!

We had a nice thread going for about a week following my last post, so I thought I would start another one considering what Desme did today...it's bordering on laughable now.

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Wednesday: Phoenix vs. Peo

 Final    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9      R   H   E 
 Phoenix 
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Recap | Box |
Weeks 2B: 3-3, R, 2 2B, 2 RBI, Also had a sacrifice in the game. 
Desme LF: 3-4, 4 R, 2 HR, 4 RBI, BB, K 
Brown RF: 2-5, 3 RBI
AFL Season
Weeks: 10-39, 8 R, 4 2B, 2 3B, 6 RBI, 4 BB, 6 K, 2 SB, .256 AVG, .802 OPS
Brown: 18-51, 9 R, 3 2B, 2 3B, 4 HR, 14 RBI, 5 BB, 15 K, .353 AVG, 1.136 OPS
Desme: 23-49, 19 R, 3 2B, 10 HR, 22 RBI, 8 BB, 14K, .469 AVG, 1.687 OPS
Desme holds the triple crown at this point in the season and is 4 HR off the AFL HR record set by Brandon Wood. Nice job Desme. 

Pitching:
Demel: 13.50 ERA, 4 IP, 10 H, 6 ER, BB, 4 K
Friend: 9.00 ERA, 4 IP, 3 H, 4 ER, 3 BB, 4 K
Simmons: 3.52 ERA, 7.2 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 3 K Respectable #s for the Fall League
Storey: 9.00 ERA, 5 IP, 8 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 6K  One bad outing is why his numbers have inflated


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Thanks for the dose of A's prospects. I apprecaite the work here.

Desme is using a wooden bat, right?

JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker

by JJ Martin on Oct 28, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

XBox controller actually

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Oct 29, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Desme is ridiculous.

He leads the league in:

*AVG
*OBP
*SLG
*H
*HR
*TB
*RBI
*R

And remember, he’s 4 HR shy of Brandon Wood’s HR record…and we’re a few games shy of the halfway mark.

And your dream, absolve.
And your path, dissolve.

by danmerqury on Oct 28, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What about SO?

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on Oct 28, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

only 14k’s and 8 bb, 49ab.

by VV A's fan on Oct 29, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's 24.6 %.

That’s still pretty bad, especially considering that this is a ridiculously unsustainable hot streak.
But then again, if you want to look for good news, just keep watching those K numbers, maybe he is improving. No reason to be pessimistic all the time.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Oct 29, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have the A's pitchers been pitching to Desme and Brown?

And, yknow, telling them what they’re going to throw?

Those numbers are pretty amazing, ha

by bobnothing on Oct 28, 2009 8:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Shiny toy!

I called my dad today just to bring to his attention how well Desme has been doing in AZ.

by Hang Man on Oct 28, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Epic!

Anyone have any word on Carter in the Mexican League? He hasn’t played since the 17th.

by DDroney on Oct 28, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Done in by Montezuma's revenge...

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 28, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, bummer!

Nothing some Cipro can’t cure!

by DDroney on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a serious ass kicking.

8 walks are a nice sign, too.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Oct 28, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see Weeks have a good game

He’s slowly getting his numbers up. Funny to think that an .802 OPS is disapointing for a second baseman in the AFL.

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 28, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know, the rest of his team need to start getting on base...

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Oct 29, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is true...

But AFL is where you send pitchers to work on things. So It’s unlikely that Desme is seeing the best stuff of any of the pitchers he’s faced.

by eastbayexpat on Oct 29, 2009 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recommended.

This is the correct answer.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Oct 29, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB.com says it's not the pitching. Desme agrees.

link

Desme’s power isn’t completely shocking — he ranked fifth in the Minor Leagues with 31 home runs in 2009. Still, he has 22 RBIs in his last 10 games, and much of those came off some of baseball’s top Minor League arms.

“Yeah, it’s been pretty surprising, especially since I only played in A ball this year,” Desme said. “This is the best competition I’ve played against.”

by gojohn10 on Oct 29, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course MLB.com is going to say its against good pitching

because they are trying to sell interest in the AFL to their readers. In reality look at the steaming pile the A’s sent there this year. Demel is the only stuff guy in the bunch.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 29, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steaming pile?

3 guy who pitched in AAA and are among the A’s top 30 prospects, plus Friend who certainly has upside. Aggregate quality of the arms has to be at least AA.

by NRC on Oct 30, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons has fallen appart

Friend isn’t any good, Storey is a reliever who is on the fast track but not an exceptional prospect. I would expect the whole lot of them to produce less than 10 WAR in the Bigs.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a 600 PA season

…he’d be on pace to hit 105 home runs. We all know this is beyond his true talent level. Let’s scale those numbers back a bit.

Bring him up to start the year with the big league club and he’ll hit at least 85 homers.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Oct 28, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like your thinking

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 29, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You also have to consider to supressing effects of the colliseum

So I would say 70-75 home runs is a more realistic figure.

by DeJay on Oct 29, 2009 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just condem and remove Mt. Davis and the Oakland Col becomes a good park again

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

14 strickouts, therefore he sucks.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 29, 2009 7:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But Jack Cust is still awesome.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Oct 29, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he sucks.

What good are numbers like this if he strikes out too?

19 R, 3 2B, 10 HR, 22 RBI, 8 BB, 14K, .469 AVG, 1.687 OPS

Damn, do you realize that his OPS is double what most of the MLB A’s had this year?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Oct 29, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beane's phone is ringing

  I can bet you that Beane will take some trade offers for Desme. After the Either trade I feel there is no way Desme will be traded. The strange thing is BA is ignoring what he is doing in AFL. I guess when you are not their high rated prsopect it takes allot to get praise. Desme is still a year away but the future is looking brighter.

by Arcman on Oct 29, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's consistent with their approach...

if you believe in scouting above performance, it doesn’t really matter that much if a player puts up gaudy minor league numbers anywhere, much less gaudy numbers in a small sample. If you are what your tools are, that’s not going to change because of a nice 15 games.

Note: I’m not saying they are always consistent, because they aren’t.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not a 5 tool fan

  To me being a 5 tool player is the most over rated system. BA rates their players on the 5 tool system which under rates players that lack 1 of the tools. BA also sticks with players even when they have big struggles in the minors. Once you get below their top 20 prospects its a crap shoot. How many times have you seen a Yankee player rated way high but never see a AB in the majors. Just like most of us they do rate players with their favorite team higher than what they should do.

by Arcman on Oct 29, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think that if anything,

they underrate “balanced” players with good but not great skills in all areas, like Aaron Cunningham. They don’t have any hesitation ranking up guys with one particularly standout tool (especially if it’s power— see Halman, Greg). They also tend to underrate plate discipline and, as you noted, stick with struggling toolsy guys too long.

That being said, everyone’s list is a crapshoot once you get below the top 20. Ranking prospects is really frigging difficult.

I don’t think they particularly have it in for teams, however. Yankees prospects get overrated because the Yankees spend lots of money buying toolsy high-profile guys to make up for their mediocre scouting department. The players are overrated because they’re high-profile, not because they play for the Yankees. Likewise, I think a lot of A’s guys get underrated, but it’s because of systemic problems like undervaluing plate discipline, not because of a specific anti-A’s animus (for the most part).

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 29, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons looking pretty good so far

After 4 innings, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3K (One of the hits which lead to the run was a pop up to no mans land that deflected of Weeks glove and ended up as a double)

It’s been interesting following the start on gameday with pitch f/x. I dont know how much I trust the pitch classification on gameday but it looks like he hasn’t thrown a single change up which was supposed to be a big part of his repertoire in the past. He has been throwing a very fringy fastball that is sitting at 86-88 mph with what appears to be decent movement, a slider sitting around 78-80 mph which has generally been around the plate and has got a few swings and misses, and a slow mo curveball which seems to has a lot of break and is sitting around 67-70 mph which he has located in and around the zone.

Never want to draw serious conclusions from a few innings, but it looks like he is really focusing on the developing not one, but two breaking pitches which is very important for him.

P.S. I hope that fastball has a lot of good late break otherwise… ugh

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 29, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

he lasted another 2/3 of an inning

Seemed to really be laboring as the fastball was sitting pretty consistantly at 86 mph and he was struggling to throw strikes. Didn’t really use the curve much in the inning but still would have gotten out unscathed if Desme hadn’t dropped the would have been third out in foul territory. Shame that both of the runs Simmons allowed could be attributed to shaky defense from fellow A’s prospects.

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 29, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to say, this scouting report just dropped Simmons about five slots on my prospect list.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like poor evaluation

To let 4+ innings of observation from gameday in a fall league start affect your rankings like that seems a little sketchy.

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 30, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care about the stats, but hearing that a guy is throwing 5 MPH slower than he needs to be

while continuing to struggle with command— supposed to be his trump suit— is NOT what I want to hear.

To put it another way, the one variable that “converges” pretty much instantly (in one or two games’ worth of data) is stuff.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't talking about stats

Just that I don’t know how accurate Gameday’s velocity readings are as well as the fact that Simmons might be have just had an off day at the end of October that sapped a a few MPH off his fastball.

Either way, putting that much emphasis on this one data point is not a good look.

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 31, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spin Doctor, here:

Maybe he’s working on his “BP fastball”!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 31, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're very accurate.

The Pitchf/x-derived velocity numbers are so much more accurate than radar guns.

And your dream, absolve.
And your path, dissolve.

by danmerqury on Oct 31, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's good to know

I am definitely not an expert on radar gun readings and I have a natural skepticism of anything I learn from the internet so I am hesitant to rely too much on gameday stats.

Still I am reluctant to penalize Simmons too much when I don’t have other velocity data to compare to. If his fastball really sits in the 86-88 mph range then that is a big problem, but I am not ready to assume that based of one AFL game.

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 31, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not a big problem for Justin Duchscherer

Or Jamie Moyer. Let’s see how the curve and changeup are doing before panicking about fastball velocity, which the fastball has always been the least of Simmons’ worries.

Simmons profiles to me like Andy Sonnanstine, which is great if it’s 2008 and not so great if it’s 2009.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Oct 31, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's necessarily true of whatever they use for gameday in the afl

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Oct 31, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They installed Pitchf/x in Surprise and Peoria.

First time we get a Pitchf/x look at minor leaguers.

No, there's no light,
in the darkest of your furthest reaches.

by danmerqury on Oct 31, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a pitcher is that good,

why would his parent team risk injury and send him to the AFL? I doubt there are any pitchers playing in the AFL that is getting promoted to the majors anytime soon. Regardless, with his current play and taking into account his age, Desme should be starting in AAA ball next season. If he can put up good numbers there, then I can get excited about his chances in he majors.

by batterbatter on Oct 30, 2009 1:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that claim

Just of the 4 pitchers the A’s sent I could see Simmons, Demel, and Story all pitching in the majors some time next season and of course Strasburg is there and many think he will start next season in the Nats rotation. Now Desme isn’t hitting against any of these guys but I would guess other teams sent similar representatives.

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmm, so let's see

Strasburg, Scheppers, Crow et al are not worthless pitching prospects? Look, it’s a hitters league in every sense but let’s not get to enthusiastic with bashing AFL pitchers.

by Manstein on Oct 30, 2009 3:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

right and how many HRs has Desme hit off pretty much the only three good pitching prospects there?

plus those pitchers are all rusty from not pitching for months.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the significance of desme's play

is that out of all of the hitters playing in the AFL (many of the top 100 propects in baseball) desme is hitting better than ALL of them.

regardless of the pitching, desme is outperforming his peers. considering how little experience he has in comparison to his peers, his performance is remarkable and likely an indication of success at higher levels of baseball.

by Livermore on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am aware of that.

PS How is Brandon Wood doing?

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Brandon Wood

in the A’s system. He was still a top prospect until he failed in his few cups of coffee. If Desme is Brandon Wood with speed, he will probably find an everyday job.

But I see your point. Its still fun to watch though.

by DrDoom on Oct 30, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Wood didn't hit... it wasn't his speed that was the problem and he was playing SS not COF

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He still has a chance though. Its not like he is proof of anything.

If nothing else it lends support for the idea of trading Desme if his value reaches anything of significance, which I can’t disagree with.

by DrDoom on Oct 30, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you using the past tense to describe a 24-year-old?

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was refering to his MLB samples.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 31, 2009 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All 200 of them?

He has had a 900+ ops in AAA the last two seasons at 23 and 24

by DeJay on Oct 31, 2009 3:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You're really starting to sound

like you’re desperately grasping at every possible way to discount or discredit Desme as a prospect in general, and what he’s done in the AFL in particular.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Oct 30, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Like I said. I am impressed with what he has done.

Im not OMZG HOFer either nor am I willing to ignore the quality of competition and the park environment.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 30, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I give you credit

For turning the corner ever so slightly on Desme. PT is still holding steady…

by DrDoom on Oct 30, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only number I actually care about is his strikeout rate

I already knew that he can hit home runs off bad pitchers in hitters’ ballparks.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 30, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not just hitting homeruns

He’s basically crushing the baseball in every single at-bat that isn’t a strikeout—and walking at a reasonable rate, to boot.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Oct 31, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I already knew he could hit line drives and draw walks off of bad pitchers in hitters' ballparks, too

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't have picked him to do this well

that being said his K rate still sucks while hes going through a ridiculous over his head kind of performance.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 31, 2009 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, to be fair to him,

most players’ peripherals stay about the same when they’re going through ridiculous over their head kinds of performances. Indeed, that’s one of the primary ways one can tell that someone IS going through a ridiculous over their head kind of performance.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 31, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean to imply that I thought his K rate would change

I meant to suggest that it shows that Grant the Destroyer still has a lot of work to do. Though I was under the impression that usually walk rates decline during hot streaks.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Nov 1, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs


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