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Yankees-Phillies: A Contrast in Histories

Repeat after me: the last team to repeat will now try to keep the only team with a chance to repeat from repeating.

Or something like that.

With apologies to those who had dreams of an All-California Series, or Torre's Revenge, this year's World Series is loaded with firepower, power pitching, and the all-important star power.

And yeah I could have formulated some sort of position-by-position statistical breakdown, but that just isn't my style, now is it?

Instead we will take a look at some World Series (and other) history involving this season's participants.  You're stunned; I can tell.

But first some trivia: There are 14 13 former A's players who would later leave Oakland and hit a home run for another team in the World Series.  Joe Blanton did it last year (and he's actually the only one to do it in the same season that he played for the A's).  Name the other 13 12.  Answer at the end of this post.  Don't peek.

Phillies Champs

Yeah, you want this, doncha, Yankees? 

Star-divide

If the New York Yankees have experienced an embarrassment of riches since their inception in 1901, the Philadelphia Phillies have mostly been an embarrassment.

For the Bronx Bombers, this is their 40th trip to the Big Dance.  The most mind-boggling thing about that is it might not be the most mind-boggling number you read here today.

Not counting the 1994 strike season, New York has finished in first place 45 times (16 division titles) and have also gained entry to the post-season as the wild-card on three occasions, as compared to 11, 9, and one for the Phillies.

The Yankees actually lost three of the first World Series' in which they played: 1921, 1922, and 1926.  In that last Fall Classic, they held a 3-2 lead, with the last two games to be played in their backyard. St. Louis won them both, as Babe Ruth was caught stealing second to end the Series.  In a one-run game.  With Bob Meusel at the plate and Lou Gehrig on-deck.

New York- and the Babe- more than made up for that gaffe the following season.  While Ruth became the first player to hit 60 home runs in a single season, the Yankees assembled what is widely regarded as the "Greatest Team in History" in 1927, finishing it off with a sweep of the Pittsburgh Pirates.  The next year, they avenged their loss to St. Louis from two seasons before with another sweep.  New York won each of the four games by three runs or more; the only other team to do that during a Series sweep are the 1989 Oakland A's (shameless segue: Scrapbook Memories will resume after this year's champion has been decided).

All told, the Yankees followed up the disappointment of 1926 by appearing in 16 of the next 27 Fall Classics- and losing only one of them (1942).  That came after an eight-Series win streak and before another run of seven straight championship rounds without a loss.

Maybe we should just go to bullet points the rest of the way:

  • New York has appeared in a World Series in every decade since the 1920's, and has won at least one title in every decade during that time except the 1980's.
  • The Yankees have 8 Series sweeps; only the A's (9) and Cardinals (10) have that many Series titles.
  • New York has won two straight (1927-28, 1961-62, 1977-78), three straight (1998-2000), four straight (1936-39), and five straight (1949-53) World Series'.
  • Their longest pennant-less drought (since their first in 1921) is 14 seasons (1982-95), and their longest title-less drought (since their first one in 1923) is 17 seasons (1979-95).
  • By comparison, the Phillies played 97 seasons (1883-1979) before their first World Championship.

Ah yes, the Phillies.  They are playing in this thing, too, aren't they?  The defending champions won 93 games this season, the fourth-best mark in club history.  Did you know that the Yankees have had 48 seasons of 94 wins or more?

Like I said, history has hardly been kind to the city with so much history.  Back to the bullet points:

  • While New York can boast of 57 90-win seasons (and 19 100-win campaigns), the Phillies would rather I didn't bring up their 37 seasons of 90 losses or more (or the 14 occasions they lost at least 100 games).
  • While the Yankees have just five last-place finishes in their existence (and only two since 1912), Philadelphia has brought up the rear a whopping 30 times.
  • And the only time these two teams have met in a World Series, New York- shocker!- won in a sweep (but the games were close: 1-0, 2-3, 3-2, 5-2).

All of this means what exactly?  Well not much, other than I know more about the Yankees than I care to admit.

In fact, I am aware that New York is "only" 6-6 in its last dozen trips to the Series, and have lost the last two they've played (2001, 2003). That has happened only two other times: 1921-22, 1963-64-1976.

I also know that no team has ever started and finished a decade with a World Championship, though the Yankees have done one or the other five times, including this decade.

And I am keen to the fact that we live in a "What have you done for me lately?" society, and what the Phillies have done lately is create a little history of their own.  The good kind, that is.  They have won three consecutive division titles for only the second time (the other: 1976-78), they have won more games than any other National League team over that span, and currently have something the Yankees do not, but want dearly all the same.  And with four more wins, they will supplant the 1975-76 Reds as the last Senior Circuit club to claim consecutive championships.

What I don't know is how history will remember the 2009 World Series, but here's hoping it will be Phondly.

Trivia answer: Reggie Jackson (1977-78, ‘81), Don Baylor (1987), Mike Davis (1988), Bill Bathe (1989), Ed Sprague (1992), Luis Polonia (1995), Scott Brosius (1998, 2000-01), Scott Spiezio (2002), Jason Giambi (2003), Mark Bellhorn (2004), Johnny Damon (2004), Jermaine Dye (2005), Bobby Kielty (2007), and the aforementioned Joe Blanton (2008).

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Great post

Phillies also do hold a record for most losses of any franchise in the four major sports, right?

To be hit by Moriyama's fastball is an honor exceeded only by being crushed under the wheels of the imperial carriage

by elcroata on Oct 26, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Only franchise with 10,000 losses.

"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying" - Ichiro

by Philip Christy on Oct 26, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 10000 loss club will soon have a couple of new members

Here are the likeliest candidates for joining the club:
Braves (9883 losses) – 2011 for sure
Pirates (9579 losses) – 421 losses is about 4-5 seasons for these guys, best guess is during the 2014 season
Cubs (9601 losses) – 2014-2016
Reds (9548 losses) – 2015-2016

Hey Al, just go away, baby.

by doctorK on Oct 26, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All NL teams, too.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Oct 26, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are those all-time losses, or modern-era losses? The NL is a lot older than the AL.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 26, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah. Good point. That would make an obvious difference.

I did wonder why… the AL has had some bad teams, too.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Oct 26, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Phillies are a great example of how formative one's childhood years are.

I started following baseball a little in 1971 (when I was six) and started following it seriously ’round about ’74.

So during my early years of baseball fandom, the historically hapless Phillies were one of the two powerhouses of the NL East (the other was the Pittsburgh Pirates).

Just as I’m sure it seems odd to people in my dad’s generation that the Phillies are any good, to me it feels entirely normal, even though I know rationally that the Mike Schmidt years were the exception not the rule.

On the other hand, for similar reasons, it still seems bizarre to me that the O’s and the Pirates are as hapless as they’ve been in recent years.

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Phillies

  This is a much better match up than the angels match up. Angels were weak againt lefty pitching but not the Phillies. If I banez is healthy the Phillies will win in 5 games. Jason Werth will be MVP.

by Arcman on Oct 26, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

some guy on ESPN thinks the Phillies are vunerable against lefties

because they have a ton of lefty batters. Not sure if that is true or not.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Oct 26, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy enough to check the BBref splits

Career, vs LHP:

Howard – .226/.310/.444
Utley – .282/.388/.492
Rollins – .281/.333/.449
Ibanez – .269/.326/.434

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utley needs more love

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Oct 26, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi, I'm Utley.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They definitely have a problem at DH, especially against LH

They can put Stairs or Dobbs out there against a RH, but they don’t have a decent RH bat off the bench.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Oct 26, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap The Brushback is awesome

http://www.thebrushback.com/random_full.htm

Alex Rodriguez, once considered a soft, mentally weak choke artist who couldn’t come through when it mattered most, is now being labeled a "hero" and a "True Yankee," based on a completely random sampling of five games in which he has batted .368 and hit 3 home runs.

AANNNNNNNDDDDDDDDTHEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

http://www.thebrushback.com/jeter.htm


NEW YORK—Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter has announced that he will no longer bother coming to the plate in non-clutch situations, because they are a waste of time and "beneath him." The new policy will take effect immediately.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

This one is a riot as well.

Hey Al, just go away, baby.

by doctorK on Oct 26, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised that Rickey never hit a HR in the WS for another team

how many times did he go to the WS without the A’s? Toronto is the only one I can think of.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Oct 26, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

twice with the A's (90 and 89), with the blue jays in 93, and

and that is it.

[b]More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis[/b]
Does Rajai Davis know Al Davis?

by Athletics fan and runner on Oct 26, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I found pretty classy last night was Rivera’s reaction to striking out GMJ to win the game that sent them to the world series. He didn’t drop to his knees screaming, he didn’t tell the opposing dugout to ‘suck it’ with a rude gesture…no, he pumped his fist and smiled. That was it. His and Posada’s reactions were so mundane, in fact, that the rest of the Yankees decided to form their celebratory pile of man over on Derek Jeter instead. I prefer that…especially from players who have been there a bunch. Pretty classy.

With that being said, I probably won’t watch…at least not if the Sharks are on, or House (shit, the world series will probably cancel that), or The Office, or South Park, or…well, you get the point. I’d have to be really really bored to watch two of my most hated teams duke it out for the title. But as much as it pains me to say it, I think I’d prefer Swisher to get his first world series ring than to see Blanton get his second. As a matter of fact, I’d like to see Swisher hit like 17 home runs in the series…which might almost be enough to get him WS MVP honors…but only if Jeter doesn’t, you know, make a routine play that Joe Buck can cream his jeans over.

Ah, gotta love the Fall Classic. I hope it snows!

Sometimes the impossible can become possible if you're AWESOME!

by ZeroIndulgence on Oct 26, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah..

One reason I didnt hate the Angels so much this year is because of F-raud’s (or lack thereof) antics…

by mikeprooo on Oct 26, 2009 8:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

In deference to Mr. November....

The former “Fall Classic” will now be referred to as the “Winter Classic”.

That will be all.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Oct 27, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Sprague answer is wrong....

Sprague hit his HR in the ‘92 WS – didn’t play for the A’s until ’98.

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You are correct.

I will now punish myself with three hours of Derek Jeter highlights.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 26, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cruel and unusual punishment

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Oct 26, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can make it worse 67

watch yesterday’s Raider game again

by sirbed on Oct 26, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sicko

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 26, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right 67

that may be too cruel a punishment

by sirbed on Oct 26, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't watch it the first time!

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about Brosius

Man, I hated that guy. Even when he was with the A’s

Bring back McGwire and Canseco, that would solve everything

by oaklandfan89 on Oct 26, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought the 1929 Philadelphia Athletics were "widely regarded"

as the best team in history….

Thanks for this post…all the more reason to root for the Phillies…

by OaklandSi on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

By many, yes.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Oct 26, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best team ever...

Other than the any of the yankees…..lol

by mikeprooo on Oct 26, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post!!!!!!!!!!

What always made the Yankee numbers even more impressive to me is that they didn’t even reach their first WS until after 20 years. Their incredible success is compressed into an even shorter time period.

You also neglected to mention the ONLY other non-Yankee team to win 3 or more WS titles… the A’s.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Oct 26, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I loved Little Louie!

But not as much as my friend who was not detered by his off the field antics!

Bailey for ROY!

by ZigFan31 on Oct 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HI.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey you.

Bailey for ROY!

by ZigFan31 on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sup

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Emails I never finished reading

“Celebrate the Yanks 40th AL Pennant”

No thanks, MLB.com

@worldblee on Twitter.

by worldblee on Oct 26, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the mostly-off-topic post here, but...

there was no DLD and I couldn’t resist when I saw this…

Stewart: "What really needs to be clear is it wouldn't have mattered if there was an earthquake or not. We were going to beat the Giants.

by Elvez on Oct 26, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to be that guy...

“But first some trivia: There are 14 13 former A’s players who would later leave Oakland and hit a home run for another team in the World Series. Joe Blanton did it last year (and he’s actually the only one to do it in the same season that he played for the A’s). Name the other 13 12. Answer at the end of this post. Don’t peek.”

Kielty played for the A’s in 07 also.
I miss bobby….

[b]More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis[/b]
Does Rajai Davis know Al Davis?

by Athletics fan and runner on Oct 26, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I miss my brain.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Oct 26, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where is my mind?

Way out in the water
See it swimmin’

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 26, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

jermaine dye? johnny damon?

If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.

by 9Custs on Oct 26, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will go ahead and say it for all of AN

go phillies!

F THA YANKS!!!

If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.

by 9Custs on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not so fast...

…I’m gonna watch, but damn I don’t know who to root for.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Oct 27, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

Go Phils!

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Oct 27, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

um...
Babe Ruth was caught stealing second to end the Series. In a one-run game. With Bob Meusel at the plate and Lou Gehrig on-deck.

Wow, apparently, they had no baseball strategy in 1926, ’cause DAMN!

If someone, ANYONE, did this today, we’d run them out of town and curse their name every time they came up.

….that led me down a rabbit hole of looking at the ’26 MVP voting. What the hell happened to nicknames in baseball? Lefty, Goose, Bibb, Ski, Topper, Baby Doll, Hack, Bubbles, Pie, Babe….and those are just the ones KNOWN by those names…

Sock puppets have never been able to successfully attack castles. -Nevermoor

by Leopold Bloom on Oct 27, 2009 4:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, a kinder, gentler age.

I too would be greatly interested in some of the nick names that were deemed unfit for public consumption back in the day.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Oct 27, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicknames are cool, but they got lame.

Now all we get are the obvious name-modifier crap like “Huddy” and “Miggy” and “Chavy”. No imagination at all. Lame.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Oct 27, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take Huddy, Miggy, and Chavvy any day

over any of the gaggle of x-Rods.

And your dream, absolve.
And your path, dissolve.

by danmerqury on Oct 27, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh! Yeah, that's way overdone, too.

Though I’m sure “Lefty” was overdone 70 years ago.

In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.

by UncleLeo on Oct 27, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go Daddy

Am I the only one who thinks the Phillies are crazy to start Pedro Martinez in Game 2 at Yankee stadium? Doesn’t anyone else remember Pedro’s last start in Yankee Stadium, and the relentless “Who’s your daddy?” chant? You can bet the Yankee fans remember. It rattled him, too. Put the guy in front of the home crowd for Game 3.

"If you make up your mind not to be happy, there's no reason why you shouldn't have a fairly good time." -Edith Wharton (The Last Asset)

by Oakville Athletic on Oct 27, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs


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