2010 Community Prospect List - #12
by Zonis on Oct 24, 2009 2:00 AM PDT
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PrintDue to demand, I have removed much of the introductory text from the threads, as well as the stats for those whom have been voted onto the list already, in order to make it easier for people to scroll all the way down.
If you have any cases for prospects, keep them coming!
For Reference: Scout's Mid-Season Top 50.
Prospects up for Vote:
Dustin Coleman, SS, Age 22
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B STO (oak) A+ 26 .220 .304 .330 1 8 2 14 4 KAN (oak) A 93 .254 .345 .410 8 42 18 56 22
Fautino De Los Santos, SP, Age 23
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP AzA (oak) Rk 7 0-1 3.86 11.2 12 4 16 0 1.37
Anthony Capra, SP, Age 22
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP STO (oak) A+ 9 2-2 3.12 52 42 21 67 0 1.21 KAN (oak) A 18 4-7 3.24 100 70 40 103 0 1.10
Sam Demel, RP, Age - 23
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP MID (oak) AA 27 0-2 0.61 29.1 23 9 26 11 1.09 SAC (oak) AAA 28 2-3 3.62 32.1 27 21 33 3 1.48
Tyson Ross, SP, Age 22 - Cal Sports Profile Video
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP MID (oak) AA 9 5-4 3.96 50 40 20 31 0 1.20 STO (oak) A+ 18 5-6 4.17 86.1 78 33 82 0 1.29
Max Stassi, C, Age 18
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B VAN (oak) SS 13 .286 .340 .367 0 8 0 3 4
Brad Kilby, RP, Age 26 - Video
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP OAK MLB 11 1-0 0.53 17.0 10 4 10 0 0.82 SAC (oak) AAA 45 4-2 2.13 63.1 40 24 77 2 1.01
Henry Rodriguez, RP, Age 22 - Video
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP SAC (oak) AAA 37 2-1 5.77 43.2 38 38 71 4 1.74 STO (oak) A+ 3 0-0 0.00 5 3 1 11 0 0.80
The List Thus Far
A's Community Prospect List
1. Chris Carter, 1B, Age 22 - 76% (of 5) - Video
2. Brett Wallace, 3B, Age 22 - 79% (of 5) - Offense Video / Defense Video
3. Adrian Cardenas, IF, Age 21 - 75% (of 5) - Video
4. Jemile Weeks, 2B, Age 22 - 36% (of 8) - Video
5. Grant Desme, OF, Age 23 - 29% (of 8) - Video - OmahaHi's case for Grant Desme
6. Grant Green, SS, Age 21 - 32% (of 7) - Video
7. Josh Donaldson, C, Age 23 - 31% (of 7) - Video - DesignatedForAssignment's case for Josh Donaldson
8. Corey Brown, CF, Age 23 - 37% (of 8) - Video
9. Michael Ynoa, SP, Age 17 - 40% (of 8) - Video
10. Sean Doolittle, 1B/OF, Age 22 - 41% (of 8) - Video
11. Arnold Leon, SP, Age 20 - 46% (of 8)
Upcomming Potential Prospects for Voting (no order): Mattl Sulentic, OF Anthony Recker, C Shane Peterson, OF Alex Valdez Travis Banwart, SP Matt Spencer, OF Gregorio Petit, SS Graham Godfrey, SP Robin Rosario, OF Tommy Everidge, 1B Clayton Mortensen, SP Ronny Morla, SP Wilfredo Solano Joel Galarraga, C Nino Leyja, 2B Paul Smyth Conner Crumbliss Pedro Figueroade, SP Rashun Dixon, CF Julio Ramos Daniel Straily James Simmons, SP Ian Krol, SP Yusuf Carter Ryan Ortiz, SP Brett Hunter, SP Anthony Huttenlocker Carlos Hernandez, SP Ben Hornbeck, SP Reynaldo Mateo Tyler Ladendorff Shawn Haviland, SP Mickey Storey, SP Chris Mederos Jon Meloan Josh Horton, SS Conner Hoehn Corey Wimberly, UTL Dan Thomas Josh Leyland, C Justin Souza Andrew Carignan, RP Jermaine Mitchell, CF Jared Lansford, RP Justin Marks Jason Christian, 3B
If you have a prospect you want to suggest, from this list or not on it, speak up in comments!
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FDLS for me
Was a truly elite pitching prospect when we got him and of course TJ surgery is a serious thing but if he can come back healthy and performing well we could have the potential for an amazing rotation in a couple years. So I guess for this pick I’m going on upside and the performance he showed pre-injury.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
Capra again.
Love his k/9, should be in the high minors soon, and has (from what I’ve read) one of the best pitches in the system. Not a whole lot not to love there.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
I went with Dusty Coleman.
The wrist injury seems really big to me, as he was hitting great before it happened. He plays SS, has some speed, and a possibly above-average bat. That’s enough for me to put him down ahead of most of these guys.
I can see arguments for Capra or Ross in this spot too, though.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
This is what swung it for me, too
we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.
by walk off bunt on Oct 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Dusty Coleman strikes out way too much.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Oct 24, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
he also was a 28th round draft pick.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Oct 24, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Overslot. It's a different animal.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Oct 24, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially as a draft elligible sophomore.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 24, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Corey Brown, Grant Desme, and Chris Carter strike out too much as well
Guys can improve. And I’m willing to bet the wrist injury played into that some too.
we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.
by walk off bunt on Oct 24, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This says everything I wanted to
He looked really good before the wrist injury wrecked his season.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
FDLS
Finally Leon is in after voting for him since round 4. Mortenson should be added next. Not a terribly high ceiling, but should be a decent #4 starter/
Why should he be a decent #4 starter?
His minor league statistics aren’t really indicative of any ability to pitch at the major league level (and obviously his major league stats aren’t, either).
The only thing he does decently is induce ground balls, in between walking too many batters, striking no one out, and giving up lots of home runs. He’s way down my list— I probably have at least 15 guys in front of him at this point.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Went with Stassi here
Pretty much all based on scouting reports, but he seems like a tremendous talent. Advanced bat for an 18 year old, reports on his defense are positive, a 1st round talent – his signing bonus was inline with a top 15 pick. I know there is a high attrition rate with high school catchers but he seems polished enough for me to pick him here, especially considering some of the concerns and limited ceilings of other players on the poll.
the thing about the catcher attrition rate argument...
is it includes a lot of teams that, frankly, draft and develop catching talent poorly.
I don’t think that’s true of the A’s. I think they a.) recognize good catching talent when they see it, and b.) develop catching talent pretty well.
That mitigates the league-wide attrition rate argument in my book.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Oct 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, the A's have really done well with the high school catchers
I mean there’s… um, there’s… wait, I know there must be…
[crickets]
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
That's unfair
The closest the A’s have picked to a HS catcher in the first 5 rounds in the last 15 years was Gerald Laird. And guess what? He made the majors. Other catchers the A’s have picked in the first 5 rounds in those 15 years: Petey Paramore, Suzuki, Powell, John Baker, Jeremy Brown, Jorge Soto, and AJ Hinch. 3 of those are currently in the majors, one retired or else would probably be in the majors, one’s young but doesn’t look like a future MLB player, one was a backup C for a few years, and one failed. And in that time, the A’s also had a international FA (signed when younger than a HS draftee) who rose up through the system and is still a MLB C.
That’s damn good success when drafting a C in the first 5 rounds.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
How is success rate with college catchers and IFAs relevant to the question of success rate with HS catchers?
I know the A’s have gotten fairly good success out of drafting collegians (one might add Anthony Recker to the list, since he looks like he might crack the majors and was a 17th rounder). But the point is, those guys had 3, sometimes 4 more years of evaluation time to weed out the guys who couldn’t hack the position.
I don’t really believe in “development” when it comes to hitting (at least not as some kind of external team-caused influence on a player’s ability to hit), and the A’s have no track record at all (either positive OR negative) with regard to drafting high school catchers. So I don’t see any good justification for treating Stassi as any different from any other HS catcher from a value standpoint.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
IFAs should be easy
When signed, he is the same age as a HSer. If the A’s can recognize the skills in a 16 year old, they can recognize it in an 18 year old.
As I said, the reason I mentioned college guys is that the A’s haven’t drafted (m)any HS catchers. If they decided to take Stassi, there must be a reason for it. The closest similar situation I can find is Gerald Laird who was drafted when he was 18, but played a little college ball it seems. And he made the majors!
But just because the A’s don’t have a HS C in the majors, doesn’t mean they don’t
a.) recognize good catching talent when they see it, and b.) develop catching talent pretty well.That was nsj’s original point. The lack of HS catchers that the A’s have drafted is due to the fact that they HAVEN’T DRAFTED ANY. If you agree with nsj’s points (and my evidence backed up), then you can come up with nsj’s position.
The question then becomes whether those two points are true.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Yes, and I have yet to be shown anything that indicates that those points are true
as applied to high school catchers.
There are significant differences involved in drafting 18-year-olds and 21-year-olds. College catchers are, for the most part, guys you can assess in terms of their bats and in terms of their ability to handle the physical requirements of catching. (Pitch-calling and that sort of thing is a different story, because most college coaches call pitches from the dugout.) HS catchers are not. Which is the whole reason why they’re such a bad value pick.
If you’re going to draft a HS catcher, you need to be able to project his bat AND his game-calling AND his physical defensive skills out 4 or 5 years. Are the A’s any good at that? I have no idea, because up until this draft, they’ve practically never tried.
What I do know is that MLB teams, as a whole, suck at it.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
The fact that they've practically never tried
could perhaps be seen as evidence that the A’s are unusually savvy about evaluating HS catching talent.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I think that is a very good point
Interesting that they drafted and signed two high school catchers in Stassi and Leyland who were both potentially difficult signs.
if you're going to rebuild
you need the best chance to turn out more than one good prospect per draft. hence, you get guys like stassi, who cost more money even though they are a fourth round pick. in four years, or whenever he’s ready, he needs to have a surrounding cast. Since we all know the A’s can’t pay for FA’s, we need a huge boom of prospects all at the same time (within a few years of each other). This is the best way to do that.
"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 25, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Leyland is never really expected to catch on a pro level though
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
As I said on the other thread, I'm not even convinced he's the best catching prospect the A's drafted this season
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I dunno about that
The signing bonus has to tell you something. All the caveats are completely legitimate, but I don’t think the front office is stupid enough to have given top-15 money (note: I’m going off what DeJay said above concerning top-15, haven’t looked it up myself, so my whole point may very well be moot) to a player who so wholeheartedly does not deserve top-15 money.
I guess what I’m saying is I’d be highly shocked if there wasn’t at least something more to the kid.
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by walk off bunt on Oct 24, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, here's the thing
Draft picks are so ridiculously, comically underpaid for their value that even giving first-round money to a third-round talent is basically fine (actually, great) if you’re not actually using your first-round pick on the guy.
Hence, I applaud the decision to sign Stassi while simultaneously questioning the decision to rank him highly.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Just wondering...
Why doesn’t somebody like Stassi or Green go to a winter ball team? You would think that they should be getting in as many reps as possible early so they can move up quickly. Anybody know WHY? Younger prospects don’t go to winter ball?
I'm the genius who said Chris Carter will slug .650 his rookie season.
by JamesCaprio on Oct 26, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I could think of a few reasons
One being level of difficulty, a guy like Stassi would probably be kind of shell shocked going from high school right to one of the winter leagues. I could also see the team wanting to let recently drafted players have a full off-season to rest up and prepare for their first full professional season. They are not used to playing 130+ games which is going to be a big enough adjustment without throwing a bunch more on in the winter.
Another issue with draftees is that the team may want to let their coaches get a hold of the player first and see where he is in his development before you send him of to a winter league where the team doesn’t have as much control over him.
Lastly, moving up quickly is not always the best course for prospects. Ideally we would love to see all A’s prospects succeed immediately and shoot through the system but this is not realistic. Sometimes patience is the better approach, especially early in a player’s career. These guys are plenty young, there is no need to rush them now, might as well let them settle in first.
Stassi's probably going to go to extended spring training next year anyway (I'd think)
unless he shows some incredible polish during regular spring.
Hard to imagine a winter-ball team would have any interest there anyway. They’re businesses too, after all.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
ahhh ok
That does explain it. I thought the Mexican League would be great for younger guys, a chance to see some quality breaking balls.
Speaking of winter ball, does anybody know how Chris Carter is doing recently? I saw his stats up to October 17th, but MLB hasn’t posted anything since. Any updates?
I'm the genius who said Chris Carter will slug .650 his rookie season.
The Mexican League is exactly what you don't want your fresh out of HS kids to hit against
junkballers who have some semblance of control
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 26, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ideally
I’d want them to hit everybody, and well too. Haha, but I get your meaning.
I'm the genius who said Chris Carter will slug .650 his rookie season.
I went with Ross...
at this point, it’s hard for me to differentiate who has the most upside.
Is Simmons not considered a highly regarded prospect any longer?
some notes
*Carter hasn’t played since last Saturday in Mexico – is he hurt?
*Desme hit his 7th HR on Friday in the AFL
*A’s pitchers got lit-up on Friday in the AFL (Simmons, Friend, Demel and Storey had awful peripherals)
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Oct 24, 2009 7:01 AM PDT reply actions
Can we quarantine the "let's overanalyze single-game performances as if they actually say something about players" nonsense to the AFL threads, please?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Oh, come on.
He wasn’t “overanalyzing” it at all. He was just noting what happened. There was no “therefore Desme is awesome” or “therefore Simmons sucks” attached.
We’re not allowed to enjoy the results? I agree that Desme was overrated on this list, but it’s still fun to see him hit a whole bunch of HRs in Arizona.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I would prefer it if the results were "enjoyed" on the other threads that have been specifically set up for the purpose
which I can then avoid like the plague.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I bet you'd be doing some enjoying if Brown was outplaying Desme
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Apparently you don't know me very well then
My placement of Brown over Desme was either right or wrong at the time it was made. Subsequent results basically have no bearing on that.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Fair enough.
I just objected to your mischaracterization of it as overanalysis, etc.
I’m all for assisting you in your ongoing quest to avoid enjoyment.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
until there's a....
daily AFL post, I would argue that the prospect list is suitable for notes/updates. Since the AFL is a prospect showcase and these threads are about prospects, its quite obvious that this is appropriate content. As iglew mentioned, there was NO analysis on my part, just the facts. I’d rather read facts on these threads instead of reading assumptions.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Oct 25, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Posting prospect news in the thread is relevent, and likely would keep more people coming.
I might even think of adding it at the top, if I ever find the time.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
Pandering to the hoi polloi is not an attribute I normally associate with you
As for the “just the facts” canard above, Jessica Simpson’s hairstyle of the day is also a “fact,” and it’s one that has just as much relevance to the future performance of these prospects as one game in the AFL.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
your ...
narcissism is outstanding. Did your parents not hug you enough?
So, we’re all commoners to you?
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Oct 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Que?
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Oct 25, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, because it's totally a "veiled insult" to tell someone
“Hey, that would be a bad idea, and you usually have good ideas.” Who wants to be told they usually have good ideas? Shocking, I say. Breach of decorum, wot.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Yeah, because expressing a preference is totally "policing" people
I’ve already sent athleticsBB4life to Gitmo, and you’re next. Better run for your life…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
care to expand?
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Oct 25, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Henry again.
I can’t see anyone other than him, Faustino or Stassi ever making an All-Star team. I’ll pick his arm strength over Faustino’s post-injury arm strength, and Stassi looks good, but he hasn’t dominated anywhere like Henry has.
Hornbeck would by my nominee for the next guy to be on the voting list.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
I'm just curious
Did you see Andrew Bailey and Ben Zobrist making All-Star teams before this season?
… maybe a little less hubris, eh?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
yes
I’ve always been a big fan of Andrew Bailey. I wrote a thread 3 years ago on Oakball about how I thought he had All-Star potential, of course, as a starter, I thought.
....where/when has Henry dominated again?
Also, are you aware that Daniel freakin’ Cabrera has a lower BB/9 in his minor league seasons than Rodriguez?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Oct 24, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
How about
the guy who throws nearly as hard but has had better success at higher levels? I went with Ross.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Not sure what to do here.
Debating between Stassi and DLS.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Stassi
Upside, and from Yuba City. Not much else I can say, I don’t know our prospects well enough anymore.
"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 24, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions
But I do miss Matt Watson, lol.
"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 24, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Dios de los santos
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
Can someone remind me what level FDLS
was playing at before he got injured?
I usually check Baseball Reference for this sort of thing, but for some reason he’s not showing up there.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Stockton
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
stassi time
About where i would place him if I was soing a list. I like FLDS before the arm surgery but it was such a major arm injury his shot even making to AAA is 50/50. I see no love for Hrod maybe its because most of us here is tired of the top prospect they put on him 2 years ago and has struggled with control since. Casilla II. Ross in years past would be in the top 10 but the team is the deepest its been in years.
Desme
With his AZL start would he rank all they way to #3 now?
No.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Oct 24, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if he voted again, he might.
But that would say more about us as a community than it would say about Desme.
by Elston Gunn on Oct 24, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't very excited about it initially,
but the more I contemplate, the better I feel about voting for Ross. As far as I can tell, he’s the only one left who is (1) not a relief pitcher, and (2) has made the jump to AA with reasonably good results.
(If there’s anyone else I’m overlooking who meets that description, please enlighten me.)
I guess I just think there’s a huge difference between AA and A. It seems like that’s the jump with the highest incidence of prospects not panning out. I realize we’re getting to the part of the list where we have to start voting in more speculative guys, but as long as there’s a decent prospect at AA, I’m inclined to vote him in first.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Simmons pitched well in his FIRST try at the AA/AAA level (or first two tries if you count the abbreviated 2007 season)
He was just horrible in his second…
There are a few other players who have played fairly well at the AA level (Godfrey, Spencer, Sulentic, Souza) but for the most part they’re viewed as having low upside, so I’m not uncomfortable voting guys from high-A ahead of them.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
All four of the guys in your parenthesis
are ones I suspect I would rate higher than the community at large would. I won’t be surprised if I end up voting for some of them for a few rounds a little further down the line. (Godfrey, Spencer and Sulentic were already on my radar; Souza I hadn’t thought about before now.)
I’m put off by Simmons, though I suppose I might still end up voting for him before others do, for the same reason that I’ll eventually come around to guys like Everidge and Petit: Even if a guy looks like AAA-for-life, there’s still a small chance that he’ll suddenly put it together later in life. And when we’ve scraped low enough in the barrel, that small chance will be better than the chance of some low-profile guy in single-A. We’re still a long ways from that point, though.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
But has Ross done all that well in AA?
He hasn’t gotten massacred of course, but a 3:2 K:BB doesn’t excite me. I’m considering him along with Coleman and DLS, but I don’t think he’s really proved all that much.
by Elston Gunn on Oct 24, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
We're not that far off.
DLS and Coleman are probably my next two. And I wouldn’t say I’m excited about Ross, but now that we’re into the double-digits positions, I don’t expect to be excited.
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His AA numbers look much better when you include the two brilliant games he threw in the playoffs
With those, he’s at 62 1/3 IP, 50 K, 23 BB. Much better ratio.
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Plus, if I remember right, he started off badly and then picked it up.
Minorleaguesplits puts his FIP in August at 4.50 through 36 innings, but his FIP in at 2.27 through 24 and a third innings. Though I think minorleaguesplits calculates his playoff numbers into that (I like that they do that), so a lot of those good games are what you just mentioned. In September, his K/BB was 3.25, he didn’t give up any HRs and his groundball % was a ridiculous 65.5, good for a 3.28 GB/FB ratio. Small sample size applies, but it’s wrong to say that he didn’t produce in AA, he certainly did in the second half of his time there.
Still went with Coleman for reasons stated above, but I’ll be voting for Ross soon.
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by King Richard on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Cool, thanks for the info.
I did end up voting for Ross, by the way.
by Elston Gunn on Oct 26, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He's second on my list, but I preferred Coleman
Holes in his swing notwithstanding, the suggestion of a true shortstop who can actually hit the ball with authority was too much to pass up.
Those two, Capra and Hornbeck, and then we’re into the C+ grade of prospects.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Coleman's next for me.
Then DLS. Want to talk me into Capra instead?
by Elston Gunn on Oct 26, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Which would be more a talking out of DLS. I know why I should like Capra, and do.
I suppose I know why I shouldn’t like DLS too, but I guess it’s a question of how much emphasis I should put on the injury.
by Elston Gunn on Oct 26, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
His stock dropped a ton for me when I heard he was having recurring elbow pain
It doesn’t make it certain that the surgery was a failure, because apparently some guys get that even when the surgery was successful, but the intelligent Bayesian would have to conclude that it significantly reduces the odds of successful recovery.
Prior to my hearing about that I actually had him in front of Ynoa.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I'm going with godfrey
I consider him more of a sure thing to be an mlb quality player in some role (reliever or sp). Plus he’s shown the last 2 seasons to be a rotation workhorse despite higher ranked and higher upside pitching prospects on the same team. I think he might be better than several AAA prospects eventually simmons, mortensen, etc.
FDLS
had a gem of an arm before TJ and looked pretty decent after it. hes the one most likely to surprise and play in the bigs in 2010 out of anyone imo
I'd be very surprised if he's in Oakland next year
The guy was only a few games into A+ when he got hurt and I’m sure he’s going to be brought along slowly next year. I’d say his realistic ETA is more like late ’11 or early ’12.
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by Helloooo 1st on Oct 24, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that is not going to happen
throwing a guy who has never pitched above A ball and who just had TJS and only pitched in 11 innings while being shut down twice for pain into the major leagues would be flat out dumb. The only way that happens is as a reliever and that would be a terrible idea to do as anything but a last resort.
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by designatedforassignment on Oct 24, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Simmons
should be added soon, i believe he was in before mazzaro on this last year. Has he really dropped that bad?
Basically? Yeah.
When you’re touted as a control specialist and you suddenly walk 3.5 batters per 9 innings, while making no progress in other aspects of the game… that’s not good.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I voted DLS
From wikipedia link
“In 2009, chances of a complete recovery after surgery are estimated at 85 to 92 percent”
He was one of our top rated prospects and has a high upside. The other guys have too many performance flaws and Stassi is too unproven and far away.
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by DyeLongJustice on Oct 25, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions
I'm gonna keep voting for him, until he's on the MLB roster
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by DyeLongJustice on Oct 25, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Went with Tyson Ross
Has a good combination of projectability and performance. He managed to hold his own when he made the jump AA and has shown good ground ball tendencies and the ability to get strike outs.
I was very close to selecting Capra but I went with Ross because he pitched in AA. Capra has the great K rate but I am waiting to see if he can keep it up against more advanced hitters who might not be as flumoxed by good off speed stuff from a lefty.
I want to like De Los Santos around this spot but the fact that his past success came in the low minors and that we haven’t really got a chance to see how his stuff is after the surgery makes me too wary.
Under the radar prospect...
Anvioris Ramirez was added to the A’s 40-man roster on Saturday
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by athleticsBB4life on Oct 25, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions
Weird
never heard of him before and his stats aren’t really those that you would picture as being indicative of future MLB success.
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by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
oddly enough....
if you go to the A’s 40-man roster today (10/26), his name is no longer listed. Maybe this is an administrative SNAFU.
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by athleticsBB4life on Oct 26, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Curious move
I wonder why the A’s felt they had to add a 21 year old kid who has yet to appear in full season ball. The only thing that really stands out to me about him is that he exhibited very good control this year posting strong BB rates.
Only other thing I can think of that stands out
is 6’1, 165. That’s skinny as a rail. They may think that he’s projectable w/r/t velocity if he fills out his frame a bit.
I still can’t figure out why they felt they needed to add him to the 40-man roster though. Who on earth is going to Rule 5 a project lefthander with poor rate stats from low-A ball?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Is there a downside to putting someone on the 40-man?
Other than, of course, not being able to put someone else in the slot?
I.e. does their salary go up/team control start running?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Subject to waivers if they want to move him off the 40 man and he'll start using up options
so it’s weird for a guy who is very young and not remotely close to the majors, because if they want to keep him he’ll have to sit there eating up a spot on the 40 man for the next long time, and his option years will run out pretty quickly.
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Basically they have to fast track him
since he would be out of options if he moves a level a year.
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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think, though am not certain, that he will get four option years
for whatever that’s worth.
To answer nevermoor’s question: the downsides are filling up a spot, increase in the player’s salary (a minor consideration since the new rate is only ten or fifteen thousand dollars more until the guy gets to the high minors), and use of option years.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Coleman, I guess?
I don’t feel strongly about anyone here.
Runoff?
This race is extremely close. I seem to remember last year having a runoff when the vote was nearly tied. I voted Stassi in this poll, but wold vote Ross over DLS if given the opportunity again. Should we have a runoff with the top two vote getters?
The rule for runoffs last year was inside of 1%
As I look at it right now, that criteria is satisfied (24% to 23%). We’ll see what it looks like when he calls it.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Desme hit his 8th AFL HR today
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by athleticsBB4life on Oct 26, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions
Question
Where do you go for updates on the AFL?
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by Helloooo 1st on Oct 26, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If you look at player pages at milb.com, they list AFL stats for the players who are playing in winter leagues
Probably the easiest way to check.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Plus, there's gamecast.
MLB is pretty awesome at the internets
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If only they used an open standard for content transmission they would be perfect.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 26, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
AFL Link
winter ball link (caribbean league)
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by athleticsBB4life on Oct 26, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
To you and Paul
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by Helloooo 1st on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyson Ross for me
I think he may be a special pitcher. I am not sure how durable he will be, how long a carrer he will have, but we might get a few really good years out of him very soon.
Carter sent home sick
Melissa Lockard answered my question on Scout.com and said,
Carter was sent home with an illness and he is being checked out in the US to make sure it isn’t anything serious. He might return to Mexico if he is feeling better but there is a chance that he’ll just rest for the remainder of the off-season and get ready for next year.
AFL Pitcher1: Everyone throws so hard out here; I feel inadequate.
AFL Pitcher2: Yeah, it's like watching porno.
lets hope it's not H1N1
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by athleticsBB4life on Oct 26, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, getting even closer.
As of right now, only one vote separates FDLS and Ross, with Stassi only three votes behind.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Looks like a three-way runoff, then?
Crazy.
I’ll certainly be voting for Ross on that thread, though. That’s honestly a pretty easy call.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Runoff Time!
Our first runoff, and hopefully not many more to come.
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