Bad Managing Beats Bad Managing! Angels 7, Yankees 6
by Nico on Oct 22, 2009 8:40 PM PDT
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Print67MARQUEZ may be along with a recap, but I wanted to duck in by saying that next time I'm inclined to rag on Bob Geren (and I expect it will be around early April) remind me that even the managers I think are good seem to make the strangest decisions sometimes.
With John Lackey wobbling in the 7th inning of a 4-0 game, Johnny Damon and Mark Teixeira coming up, Mike Scioscia had to decide whether to stick with Lackey or pull him in favor of lefty Darren Oliver. The one thing I did not expect was for Scioscia to stay with lefty against the lefty Damon, but then when Lackey retired Damon pull his ace for Darren Oliver. You either use Oliver for both hitters or neither. Odd.
No odder, I suppose, than Joe Girardi, with Mariano Rivera ready to go 2 innings, Hughes and Chamberlain well rested, sending erratic A.J. Burnett out to start the 7th with a 6-4 lead. That didn't go too well either.
Walking Alex Rodriguez with two out and the bases empty in the 9th inning of a 7-6 game? Come on. It may seem like the guy HRs on command, but in fact you generally do better to keep people off the bases than to put them there on purpose. Pitch carefully, by all means, pitch on your terms, but don't overuse the intentional walk like it's a move you're eager to make when you get the chance. That one worked out to the tune of Fuentes loading the bases and going to a full count before escaping by the barest of margarines. I guess it couldn't really have gone butter.
And these are good managers.
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It just proves that even the best of managers can make odd calls
but at the end of the day it didn’t kill the Angels.
Boy if they can win game 6 then game 7 is going to be a lot of fun if it’s not snowing in the Bronx. I won’t say go Angels but I will say go Yankees losing!
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There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 23, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
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(slap slap slap)
All done!
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by One won lost won on Oct 22, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions
I was surprised how excited I got during that top o' the 9th...
… since I thought I’d pretty much given up caring about the AL championship (after feeling so dirty rooting for the slegnA early on).
But I was howling when they walked A.Rod, and all of a sudden started rooting for the Yanks to get a hit to show what a dumbass move that was. Putting the tying run on can never be a good thing. A simple WP, PB, or walk, and a single beats you! And, you look like a total schmoo for putting him on.
damn the Sleg bullpen is weak
if they had our pen they’d be up in this series. Fuentes makes me love Bailey that much more, and the rest of the Sleg stiffs like Oliver couldn’t even make our ’pen out of Spring Training. Maybe Jepsen will be good eventually but I take our ’pen any day.
Joe “Moneyball” Morgan just said they take Game 6 too, he says Saunders will be awesome, hmmm.
Hey, I just bought the team from Lew Wolff... who wants to play third?
And they may also take game 7 as well
CC is not going to get by them 3 times in a 10 day period.
Best hope Pettitte accidently has another good game and Saunders has a bad game.
I am going to puke if the slegnA come back and win this series.
I had to endure my slegnA friend while they went up 4-0. He leaves to get something to eat and they go down 6-4. He walks back in the door and the tie it and take the lead. He sat here for the rest of the game and just flapped his jaw going on about how the slegnA have the momentum. I am afraid he may be right.
I hate the Yankees worse.
And this would be an excruciatingly painful way for them to lose.
Angels win ALCS? Yeah…it’d suck.
Two games worth of pictures of cold, drunk, and devastated Yankee fans on my tube? Priceless!
Either way: Go Phillies!
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Oct 23, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
no, you'll be watching snow fall in the Bronx on Saturday...
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 23, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I think it will just rain
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 23, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Giardi does seem dumb
the matsui pinch running two days ina row was dumb, compounded by the caught stealing. Molina catching any games. the whole game 3 pitching and tonight.
I don’t generally like the pinch running that Geren does, but at least he seems to wait till the runner gets to second. The Yankees not having someone behind Rodriguez in these games amplifies the mistake.
I just don’t like the angles style of play. ALl the outs on the bases would drive me nuts as a fan. Hunter going on contact? come on, even with Vlad on second its not a sure thing he scores on a hit.
Nico is right, we should complain so much.
maybe managers should stick to doing what makes sense
instead of doing what is considered to be bold in order to make themselves stand out. If a kid sitting next to me was almost gnawing at his arm due to Girardi’s decisions, then Girardi should have pulled his head out of you know what and used some gosh darn common sense!
"I'd be careful though. The AN girls know their stuff and can back their sh** up and dance circles around guys like you and me, up and down the block, all day every day and twice on Sundays. And that's why I love them :-D" - Me
Who was it that said
Playoffs are a crapshoot? :)
Good managers making strange calls, bad bad calls from the umps…I have mostly enjoyed watching these games and am glad I am not a fan of either team, I would be exhausted!
piss poor game on both sides
dumb move taking lackey out after he got damon.the reason i hate lackey is because he shuts things down (against the A’s) in situations like that.
dumb move by girardi putting in the PR for a-rod. terrible timing. and a-rod specifically is not slow enough to make it a worthwhile move.
and it was hunter who got caught in the rundown between 3rd and home with the angels looking for some insurance? that was terrible.
also, somebody on the yankees stayed at 3rd during their rally, or maybe the next inning. another terrible move on the basepaths.
BK: This guy is on fire, he is really smokin'.
KenKo: Oh yeah, Bill? What's he smokin'?
the PR for a-rod was total-stupid
surely they would want him if it were tied, right?
But it was stupid to walk Arod, and man does Fuentes look bad as a closer.
The angles surely wish they had Frod back, I imagine.
Another Stupid Move
Angels had a one run lead, a guy on second with no one out, and Jeff Mathias at the plate who was on a six for six role…..and he is sent up to bunt? WTF. You give up an out to move the runner from second to third…..how stupid was that? He was already in scoring position, and you give up an out to move up one base….you cut your chances by 33% to score…..
The other brillant moves outlined in this post above were prettty bad, but post season play is no reason to lose your mind, and make such dumb moves.
Truly, the best thing about baseball last night, had nothing to do with that game. it was the
CHASE UTLEY LOVE LETTER
I'll probably take some heat for this
but I kinda want the Yankees to win it all this year, but with Jeter sucking and them being completely carried by A-rod. And after he wins it all and those awful, fickle NY fans pretend that they’ve always loved him, he’ll tell them to go F themselves.
he'll say something like
“I knew they believed in me all along, I’m just glad I was able to help us deliver a WS victory to them.”
Now if Jeter had a brain transplant with Lackey before then, it’d be different for sure!
"Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?" - Rickey
by cuppingmaster on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
See, I'd rather have Arod homer in EVERY AT BAT
and still have the Yanks lose.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
if Saturday's game isn't rained (or snowed?) out
I may watch it at the Meridian’s “sports’ bar” (the food is much better than at any sports bar i’ve ever been to), in Berkeley on University Avenue. ANers are welcome to join me there.
Not cold enough for snow
I’m near Philly, where it’s supposed to be rainy and in the 50s tomorrow. It won’t be much different in NYC.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
that's what I figured
someone else mentioned snow, but it’s just not cold enough yet in NYC…however, it might not get played until Sunday…either day I may go watch the game at Meridian in Berkeley
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